Sport Inequity?

I believe they have to be full time in the spring including basketball class. How many units for basketball class? No reason to attend classes if they aren't coming back though. They have to have at least 6 units in the prior semester I believe.

Where's 3finger when you need him?

You must be a full-time student at all points in your academic year as per the NCAA, no matter what sport you play.

From what I have been told it is true--I have heard Bobby Knight make that statement

You have to be a full-time student.

They may have to be a full time student but my guess is they don't go to class.

They need to take twelve credits in the fall and meet the NCAA eligibility requirements. I'll bet they take the four easiest classes in the fall. In the spring if they don't attend class what does it matter if they flunk? They don't flunk until May.

I like Tom Izzo's (MSU) idea. Make it like baseball. You can go pro out of high school. But once in college you're in until junior year or twenty-one.

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I like Tom Izzo's (MSU) idea. Make it like baseball. You can go pro out of high school. But once in college you're in until junior year or twenty-one.

This is probably a really dumb question but...Why isn't it like baseball??

A player need to be enrolled full-time to practice, or to play in the regular season.

He may be able to meet academic progress standards by only having received credit for 6 hours during the previous term. Actually trying to succeed academically may not seem important to a player who plans to leave school at the end of the term.

So a player in basketball (or baseball) could in some circumstances practice and compete, while only receiving credit for 6 units in the preceeding term. He would have to be enrolled full-time in all terms during which he practices or competes.

Baseball draft rules are set by professional baseball. The NCAA has no direct input into the draft rules.

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This is probably a really dumb question but...Why isn't it like baseball??

Add to 3F's comment .... The NBA has been in court over the draft age eligibility. The rule went from four years to applying for hardship draft status, to throwing out the hardship rule when it became a joke.

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Originally posted by 3FingeredGlove:
A player need to be enrolled full-time to practice, or to play in the regular season.

He may be able to meet academic progress standards by only having received credit for 6 hours during the previous term. Actually trying to succeed academically may not seem important to a player who plans to leave school at the end of the term.

So a player in basketball (or baseball) could in some circumstances practice and compete, while only receiving credit for 6 units in the preceeding term. He would have to be enrolled full-time in all terms during which he practices or competes.

Baseball draft rules are set by professional baseball. The NCAA has no direct input into the draft rules.

So...let me get this right...

I enroll in 12 units in the fall...actually finish 3 in "Basketball theory"...and 3 in "Rap appreciation"...never go to class for the other 2 classes after the first day. Then in the spring I can enroll in 12 and never go to class a single day? And I am on scholarship....And the school and the NCAA is OK with this? And it's OK for baseball players for their last year as well?

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I don't have time to look this up right now, and the details aren't very important anyway, but here's the general issue....

Under the Basketball Theory scenario, and assuming the player was OK otherwise academically, he's eligible within NCAA rules. Maybe the conference or school has more restrictive rules. But in any case, consider what happens to the school's APR.

The player was enrolled full-time at the 5th week of the terms, so he is in the APR cohort for both terms. When the dust settles he will have achieved one retention point and no performance points. [If he aces basketball and rap, and gets a 2.0 in the first semester, he could get a performance point.] If he signs a pro contract, he gets 1 out of 3 points, and if he doesn't sign, he gets 1 out of 4.

Again, I haven't and probably won't bother to look this up, but I think a basketball team can stand this sort of behavior from one player every 3 years or they'll begin to lose scholarships. And that assumes that everybody else on the team gets all the available APR points. Realistically, schools can't allow this kind of behavior, and they don't.

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They'll get a tutor to drag the player to class, arrange for exams to be taken separately from the rest of the class, have the tutor provide considerable guidance in the matter of term papers, etc. The player will take Basic Rap, Advanced Rap, and Alternative Rap. And if the player is good enough, he will sign a pro deal, and score 100% of the APR points.
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Seriously, the NCAA can't realistically track and regulate a player's in-term academic performance, and there are plenty of scenarios where the requirement of only 6 units in the previous term makes sense. The APR requirements are intended to force schools into paying attention to and enforcing the academic performance of the players.