St. Louis vs. Milwaukee

Doesn't matter that it's the NLCS. Plush can't handle left handed pitching, so he'll be safe on the bench.

Pity behind all the Brew Crew foolishness is that they let a platoon-player goofball set the tone instead of following the grown-up example of their MVP.

Grienke opened fire about Carp, LaRussa responded, let the games begin!

For Cardinal fans, you might enjoy following the adventures of TortyCraig@twitter, Allen Craig's pet tortoise and BuschySquirrel.

Kind of gives you an idea of how bb players spend their spare time in between games.....

you mean this little guy?

Looks like bad blood will boil over today!

For the sake of the game, I hope that they play baseball. I hate that other stuff. Of course, there is not place for "Tony Plush" and all of the crappola that comes with some egotist such as Morgan.

Go Cardinals.

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Originally posted by CoachB25:
Of course, there is not place for "Tony Plush" and all of the crappola that comes with some egotist such as Morgan.

Yeah, there is.

Matt and what would that place be? To act without class> To disregard sportsmanship? To show up your opponents? To run off the mouth about opponents? I'm eager to hear where that place is.

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Originally posted by CoachB25:
Matt and what would that place be? To act without class> To disregard sportsmanship? To show up your opponents? To run off the mouth about opponents? I'm eager to hear where that place is.

Given recent events, I'd say St. Louis (see LaRussa's totally inappropriate comments and behavior.) The only thing above that Morgan has done run off the mouth, and that was pretty minor.

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Given recent events,

Name one...

The other night after the brewers beat the Dbacks, while trying to get him to stop and do an interview, Morgan dropped the F-Bomb in front of a woman reporter.

That had nothing to do with LaRussa or the cardinals, or any recent event you are refering to, it's just down right trash.

I didn't like him when he played for other teams, I don't like him now. JMO.

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Originally posted by Bulldog 19:

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Given recent events,

Name one...

Let's see...intentionally pitching at Braun not once, but twice, in retaliation for Pujols accidentally getting hit, then doing a little song and dance when he got called on it. Him complaining about Brewers complaining about his players (which were comments taken out of context,) showing his hypocrisy. His BS about the strike zone on TV. Referring to an entire fan base as "idiots."

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Originally posted by TPM:
That had nothing to do with LaRussa or the cardinals, or any recent event you are refering to, it's just down right trash.

He's in the middle of a celebration and someone stuck a mike in front of his face. Whoop-di-do.

LaRussa's comments? Would those be about throwing at Pujols? I'd have said the same thing. Anyone who has played the game knows the difference between the ball at the chin and the ball in the ribs or butt.

Morgan hit a double off Carpenter. Then, he jestures to the Cardinal's dugout. When Carpenter was getting ready to throw the next pitch Morgan was cussing him out. Only then did Carpenter say something to Morgan when he grounded out later in the game. Matt, this was all documented on MLB Baseball. In fact, they commented that the "Cardinals are taking the high road" with all of this ****.

Like Bulldog, I'll wait for your example of what Tony said.

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He's in the middle of a celebration and someone stuck a mike in front of his face. Whoop-di-do.

From what I was told, he kept interrupting while others were getting interviewed the other day and then when they finally interviewed him, he wouldn't speak..

Hit batters are part of the game. Get over it.

Dropping the Fbomb, throwing chewing tobacco at the pitcher, running over catchers for no reason--- NONE of it is part of baseball.

But it's okay because in 6 months nobody will remember that team anyway as they go back to middle of the pack doing nothing again...

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Originally posted by CoachB25:
LaRussa's comments? Would those be about throwing at Pujols? I'd have said the same thing. Anyone who has played the game knows the difference between the ball at the chin and the ball in the ribs or butt.

It wasn't at the chin. It was an inside pitch that got him on the wrist.

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Originally posted by CoachB25:
Morgan hit a double off Carpenter. Then, he jestures to the Cardinal's dugout. When Carpenter was getting ready to throw the next pitch Morgan was cussing him out. Only then did Carpenter say something to Morgan when he grounded out later in the game. Matt, this was all documented on MLB Baseball. In fact, they commented that the "Cardinals are taking the high road" with all of this ****.

That's not what happened. Carpenter is the one that started running his mouth.

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Originally posted by CoachB25:
Like Bulldog, I'll wait for your example of what Tony said.

Already done.

I'm neither a Cardinals fan nor a Brewers fan, and thus I am rather impartial to either team normally. Both teams are extremely talented and well deserving of their place in the NLCS. However, nothing would make me happier than to see the Cardinals win this series just so I can go back to watching baseball with integrity and not the mockery of a classless fool like Nyjer Morgan.

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It wasn't at the chin. It was an inside pitch that got him on the wrist.

You might want to take a look at where Albert's hands are in the batter's box. I'm sure you'll find they're mere inches away from his chin!

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Originally posted by Matt13:

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Originally posted by TPM:
That had nothing to do with LaRussa or the cardinals, or any recent event you are refering to, it's just down right trash.

He's in the middle of a celebration and someone stuck a mike in front of his face. Whoop-di-do.

As an umpire, do you feel that Morgan is good for the game, or do you feel the way you do just because you are a Brewers fan. Regardless of whether he was celebrating or not, I didn't hear that come from anyone else or any of the team's players that have won any of the series, why is it always Morgan?

I was wondering why the comments because I myself have not ever said one negative thing about any player from MIL, but Morgan (who I never liked), in fact I am a huge Lucroy fan and Greinke as well.

So I don't get the trashing of the Cardinals, no one said anything negative except for Morgan, we can't all be wrong. To bad you made this out to be more than it was intended.

Morgan is way over the top, as was Deon Sanders, Terrell Owens, Chadd Johnson Ochocinco and a lot more. Everything is just more outragious these days, including T-Plush. He obviously is a fame craving individual.

To be honest I have no idea what you all are talking about due to me being super busy with football and the Cubs being eliminated from contention in May. I do know Morgan is a useless bum that is a cancer to the game. Guys like him make baseball seem like the NBA and we don't need that.

Dad04:

Agreed. We know where he learned his lessons, but his antics go over even worse because of the following:


Chad: Six pro bowls, 3 all-pro seasons.

Terrell: Six pro bowls, 6 all-pro seasons.

Deion: Hall of Fame. Eight pro bowls, 8 all-pro seasons. NFL and NFC defensive player of the year.

Nyjer: Platoon player. 8 career homers, 114 RBI's in 1600 at bats. Outfielder whose most notable throw involved a plug of tobacco.

Swampboy- And Deion played in the MLB for nine seasons.

Not condoning the behavior for anyone, but good points

Matt, do you get the MLB channel? If so, you saw the whole thing recapped by impartial announcers. Pujols was hit in the hand and not the wrist. He was coming off of a broken arm at the time. His hands are at his chin height. They showed Morgan on second base jawing at the Cardinal's dugout and cursing at Carpenter. Before spouting off more, perhaps you'll take the time to get the facts right. We can differ on our opinions about Morgan but we can't differ on facts that have been verified by video and have been analyzed on the MLB network. I am absolutely positive that I am not the only one that saw that recapped of the conflict between the Cardinals and Brewers.

I honestly don't condone Morgan's antics. It's well documented that he's had his problems with the Brewers and Nationals the last few years. I couldn't stand him and thought he was a little punk. I don't remember if it was the MLB Network, or ESPN Baseball Tonight...but one of those programs had run a story on him and delved deeper into his personality. Nyjer Morgan was an exceptional Junior Hockey Player when he was younger. Perhaps he still carries that hockey mentality with him? In fact, you can google him and watch highlights of Morgan playing on the ice. Anyways, being a former hockey player doesn't excuse him for how he acts on the ball field. With that said, I think he's one of those guys that you can not stand on the other team...BUT, you'd love for him to go to war on your team. If he tones it down a little, he'd no doubt have more fans...JMO.

Somehow Tom Glavine overcame the disadvantage of being a 4th round NHL draft pick and managed not to be a punk.

I agree with you Swampboy. Orel Hershiser (Cy Young winner) and Larry Walker (former MVP) were pretty good hockey player's in their youth, and they turned out to be pretty good baseball players and weren't "Punks".

Nyjer Morgan has a big mouth and is immature, most of us agree with that. However, put some of his antics aside, and I really like the way he plays the game...balls out at a hundred miles an hour! That's not generally taught, it comes natural...but most guys will mature over the years and learn when to keep their mouth shut. Well, everyone except the Milton Bradley's and John Rocker's of the baseball world.

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Originally posted by TPM:
As an umpire, do you feel that Morgan is good for the game, or do you feel the way you do just because you are a Brewers fan.

I hate people who allow their biases to denigrate others (or, in the general sense, lead to non-productive decisions.) I know that I am a Brewers fan. I also know that I do not agree with everything a Brewer says or does. I do not agree with what Morgan did on Twitter. I feel his apology was half-assed. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for others here (regarding bias.)

Do I feel Morgan is good for baseball? You might as well ask me if sheep are good for elephant hunting. I get a sense that people here have the feeling that baseball is some sort of gentleman's game. It's not. Never has been, no matter what people may say.

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Originally posted by TPM:
Regardless of whether he was celebrating or not, I didn't hear that come from anyone else or any of the team's players that have won any of the series, why is it always Morgan?

Maybe because he is the one of whose mouth they put the mike in, as he was the one that had the game-winning hit?

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Originally posted by TPM:
I was wondering why the comments because I myself have not ever said one negative thing about any player from MIL, but Morgan (who I never liked), in fact I am a huge Lucroy fan and Greinke as well.

So I don't get the trashing of the Cardinals, no one said anything negative except for Morgan, we can't all be wrong. To bad you made this out to be more than it was intended.

I'M the one that made it out to be more? Look at the BS said by multiple Cardinal fans in the posts before me. I'm not trashing the Cards by any means. I do have an issue with TLR, and have for years. He has underachieved with two teams, blames anyone else but himself, and many people throw a blanket of protection on his classless behind.

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Originally posted by bsbl247:
Nyjer Morgan was an exceptional Junior Hockey Player when he was younger. Perhaps he still carries that hockey mentality with him? In fact, you can google him and watch highlights of Morgan playing on the ice.

No, he wasn't exceptional in Major Juniors (other than the fact he only started playing hockey a couple years before.)

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Originally posted by CoachB25:
Matt, do you get the MLB channel? If so, you saw the whole thing recapped by impartial announcers. Pujols was hit in the hand and not the wrist. He was coming off of a broken arm at the time. His hands are at his chin height. They showed Morgan on second base jawing at the Cardinal's dugout and cursing at Carpenter. Before spouting off more, perhaps you'll take the time to get the facts right. We can differ on our opinions about Morgan but we can't differ on facts that have been verified by video and have been analyzed on the MLB network. I am absolutely positive that I am not the only one that saw that recapped of the conflict between the Cardinals and Brewers.

I have the facts right. Carpenter even admitted it. Try again.

Alright, give it a rest.

Morgan struck out.

Milwaukee won the game.

Game 2 tonight.

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Originally posted by Matt13:

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Originally posted by TPM:
As an umpire, do you feel that Morgan is good for the game, or do you feel the way you do just because you are a Brewers fan.

I hate people who allow their biases to denigrate others (or, in the general sense, lead to non-productive decisions.) I know that I am a Brewers fan. I also know that I do not agree with everything a Brewer says or does. I do not agree with what Morgan did on Twitter. I feel his apology was half-assed. Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for others here (regarding bias.)

Do I feel Morgan is good for baseball? You might as well ask me if sheep are good for elephant hunting. I get a sense that people here have the feeling that baseball is some sort of gentleman's game. It's not. Never has been, no matter what people may say.

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Originally posted by TPM:
Regardless of whether he was celebrating or not, I didn't hear that come from anyone else or any of the team's players that have won any of the series, why is it always Morgan?

Maybe because he is the one of whose mouth they put the mike in, as he was the one that had the game-winning hit?

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Originally posted by TPM:
I was wondering why the comments because I myself have not ever said one negative thing about any player from MIL, but Morgan (who I never liked), in fact I am a huge Lucroy fan and Greinke as well.

So I don't get the trashing of the Cardinals, no one said anything negative except for Morgan, we can't all be wrong. To bad you made this out to be more than it was intended.

I'M the one that made it out to be more? Look at the BS said by multiple Cardinal fans in the posts before me. I'm not trashing the Cards by any means. I do have an issue with TLR, and have for years. He has underachieved with two teams, blames anyone else but himself, and many people throw a blanket of protection on his classless behind.

I am taking into considertation about his past history, it hasn't been all that wonderful.
Regardless of how this turns out, I wonder if he will remain a Brewer, I understand many of his team mates find him annoying (ask Greinke) they enjoy his humor but at times somewhat embarrassed. He's the only player I know (unless you know of others) where he has to be defended for his actions and for his mouth. They only tolerate him because they are in the position they are in, other than that. Greinke finds him annoying, that's his OWN teammate speaking up about him. Morgan acts out when he's frustrated, that to means loose cannon, go back and review when he charged the mound last year, or plowed into a catcher when not necessary, or mouthing off to fans in the stands. You think it's just because he spit a wad of tobacco at Carp (who does that by the way). sWhat person that respect the game and others calls a future HOF by a name? Is this normal? He's had a history of garbage with every team he's been on, this one included. I hate it when people say don't just love a player that will go to war for you, well, hello, here it is, most will go to war for their team and their teammates, without making a spectacle of themselves.

And it's not bias, that sir is what all the people say when they make excuses for people, you directed that to the wrong person.

BTW he dropped 3 FBombs the other night, that's classy. I find it interesting that TBS didn't delete them either

I personally couldn't care less if you like TLR or not, I don't know him I know a lot of people that don't like him. However, like it or not, you can't help but respect what he has done for the game, what has Morgan done in his history with the game? Hit in a winning run?

The BS posted here (according to you) didn't all come from Cardinal fans, that's just your perception. As a player, I would want people to rememeber and respect me for the good that I have given to the game.

Maybe I take it personally because there are tons of kids that are even better than him talent wise in milb, yet they have to sit while some clown gets the stage.

Matt, I dont get your line of reasoning here. Morgan got called out for being a d-bag. Your debate is "LaRussa is a jerk too" So you really cant disagree with the fact of what an ahole Morgan really is.

The part that gets me in all this is how your manager and team owner put up with all his ****. I dont know how you, as a Brewers fan could stand up for him after the way he conducted himself Friday night. You would never see a Cardinal handle himself in that way. LaRussa has a lot of faults that cant be defended, so I laugh at how you say its no big deal.

But here is the bottom line. A year from now he wont be playing for the Brewers. Fielder will be gone, the Brewers will be a .500 team, Morgans antics wont be tolerated since the team wont be winning, and he will be traded to a contending team. So you only have a few more months to worry about him.

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Posted by Matt13: I get a sense that people here have the feeling that baseball is some sort of gentleman's game. It's not. Never has been, no matter what people may say.

Thank you. While there are a few "country clubbers" in pro baseball, the range cultural diversity in pro ball is very wide. Players from all sorts of backgrounds and several continents blend together for almost the entire year. There are certainly guys with rough edges. I hear first hand there is still a lot of drinking and partying.

There are a lot of great people (and a lot of money) in the game, but nobody will mistake baseball for yachting or vintage auto racing.

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Originally posted by Mizzoubaseball:
Matt, I dont get your line of reasoning here. Morgan got called out for being a d-bag. Your debate is "LaRussa is a jerk too"

No, it's not. That was a response to a specific questions.

Good article from someone whose rooting for the Brewers.

http://bleacherreport.com/arti...-nyjer-morgan-a-hero

BTW, I am a Marlin fan, my huge dislike for him began after last years antics. I just wear the cardinal colors for fun.

Good points made by Mizzouball, in a year from now it's likely no one will be discussing Nyger Morgan.

Your comparison to LaRussa to Morgan is just silly.

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Good points made by Mizzouball, in a year from now it's likely no one will be discussing Nyger Morgan.

Just like nobody cares what the Reds do now.. they had one year in the spotlight and faded away. The Brewers will too...

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Originally posted by TPM:
Your comparison to LaRussa to Morgan is just silly.

I didn't compare the two.

I think the majority will agree that the Brewers have done a remarkable job, I have no issue with that.

Everyone knows that baseball is not a gentleman's game. I don't beleive that athletes should be viewed upon as role models, but I do beleive that people in the spotlight can have a profound effect over others that may view them as a role model, and for me, he's not setting a very good example for anyone.

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Given recent events, I'd say St. Louis (see LaRussa's totally inappropriate comments and behavior.) The only thing above that Morgan has done run off the mouth, and that was pretty minor.

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I didn't compare the two.

You're right. The previous statement was made by someone else I guess...