I don't have stats, but I think the "reclassify" (or late start) goes well beyond sports.
Twoboys posted:....
Not sure if your son is a 2018 or 2019 but have him keep those grades up, but the scores will matter even more. And fill out the form!
test scores are critical. 1400 plus on SAT should open the highest academic doors, assuming baseball skills meet a school's needs.
www. Tier1athletics.org Is another helpful site
Our Stanford experience:
My 2010 son made a goal early on in Jr. High to go to a D1 college (none in particular at that time), which of course his mother and I felt was great. And he started working hard academically at that point getting outstanding grades quarter after quarter. He worked particularly hard at academics as it generally just doesn't come easy to him. At the same time, as his baseball skills showed a lot of talent, I started raising the bar by getting him into a good travel ball program to see just how he might compare to top talent. It was decided after our experience with his older brother that his public high school wasn't going to provide the academic or baseball environment to help him achieve his goals. So we looked to private college prep schools and found one that turned out to be one of the best decisions we ever made. And yet, as he entered that HS we still had no idea just which D1 colleges to realistically put on our list. Son's academics in HS was at 3.6, so we weren't even considering Stanford even as a remote possibility. We thought for Stanford one would certainly need to have 4.0 or better GPA.
It wasn't until son's Jr. year early on that we heard from Stanford. The July after his sophomore year he attended a Stanford baseball camp and it was that Fall that we stated getting questionnaires from lots of schools including Stanford. Stanford's Coach Stotz contacted my son asking him specifically if he'd come to a hitting clinic. My son was not one to turn down such an invitation and since Stanford was only 15 minutes away, that was a no brainer. At some point there, he was apparently asked how he felt about attending Stanford and my son wasn't sure. Son loved the schools campus and really liked it's history and reputation. He was then invited to shadow one of Stanford's baseball players for a day just after winter break (easy enough to do, since we lived so close by). So, son was assigned a Jr. ballplayer to shadow and afterward he said he really like the classes he experienced at Stanford.
At about the same time HC Marquess ask me if my wife and I would like a tour of the campus. So, he has us hop into his car and he took us on a tour and even took us to lunch at one of the schools cafeterias to get an idea of what's available to the students. Most of our contact was with Coach Stotz as he was most active in the recruiting process.
Both coaches pointed out to us that son's 3.6 GPA was not a problem IF his SAT or ACT score was high enough. They also pointed out that at Stanford a high GPA alone was not enough to get a student into the school and even with something like a 4.2 a student can't get in unless there is "something else" that they are excelling in (e.g. a sport, music, social activities, community services, etc.)
Son's first SAT score came in just short of what the coaches said he needed to achieve to get through admissions. By then end of Son's Jr. year in HS he had his best baseball season and was getting a lot of interest and mail from colleges all over the place. Stanford was still at the top of his list as he hadn't heard anything from his "dream school). He needed to retake the SAT test or take an ACT to try and get a better score, but he was dragging his feet on trying to get this done so we could settle and commit to Stanford. One day I came to my son how he really felt about Stanford. He reiterated that he really liked the campus and the school over all and really like the baseball program and the coaches, BUT . . . all the students on the campus were "too nerdy." Apparently he didn't feel like he was a fit in socially, which was an important issue for him. And that was the main reason he was not really trying to up is test scores to get into Stanford.
I couldn't believe it, that he decided Stanford wasn't for him because the students were "too nerdy." I told him, but. . . yeah, after all . . . it's STANFORD. With all the interests from may other colleges, he felt he would find a better fit and the ONE he felt was the best fit finally came about and made an offer, which he accepted. It was HIS dream school, not mine. It turned out to not be the best baseball choice for him, but it is a great school and a good decision that he made and he's been very happy about it ever since.
Great story, Truman. Thanks
Thank you so much for sharing!!
Thank you for that Truman. I get it...
Kitkat posted:His GPA is 4.68, he only takes honors and AP's. All his test scores in the past were perfect of near perfect, he is in his fourth year of Spanish too. He is 6.1 and 150 pounds. Plates are still open. He must be destined for a good College and baseball will just be an added bonus. He goes to a huge public High School of 5,000. Believe me they have their pick of athletes on all their teams , he always has to do well and keep his stats up.
5.000?
5,000 students in my sons public high school. 1,400 are in the Class of 2019.
Wow. Pick ups and drop offs must be fun. Is graduation a week-long event?
It's like going to a huge concert every day, it's so overcrowded! There are a lot of busses and some kids drive!
As others have pointed out Stanford casts a very wide net and then narrows it down during the Junior year of an athlete. I don't want to burst any bubbles but Stanford attracts the best athlete/academic players in the country. Some may argue with me, but IMO they are the creme-dela-creme of college baseball when considering these factors. Sorry if I offend anyone, but Duke athletes are not anything like a Stanford athlete. (at least this was the case 4-5 years ago) If your son is one of the top players in the country - you will know this already. He also needs to be academically gifted. So your son is one of the top 100 athletically gifted players in the country and has the academic credentials, then he is a real prospect there. If not it is always great to dream about it. 
Like Truman, my son was recruited by them (with about 3,500 other kids initially LOL) He made it down through their funnel and we met with Coach Stotz the winter of his Jr year and he showed us the campus, etc. While my son had the academic chops he never developed into the level of athlete they were looking for and dropped off their list in the summer of his Jr year.
The other factor you need to consider when thinking about high academic schools like Stanford is that your son will be competing with the best and brightest academically in the country and he will need to compete in the classroom as well as deal with the athletic demands of one of the most competitive programs in the country.
Good luck!
Very well said BOF. And to add a point that I heard clearly from the Stanford coaches at the camps, no matter how academically gifted a baseball player is, there are no academic merit scholarships. As one coach noted, everybody on the campus would be eligible for a merit scholarship if there was. And he told the parents that the athletic money available only goes so far when trying to fill the 28 man roster with a 25% minimum provided, plus 7 no athletic money walk-ons. The message was basically, if you do not meet the government definition of financial need, a kid wanting to play baseball at Stanford should plan on paying most if not all full tuition for 4 years. That is not something most families can afford (no matter what FASFA implies) so the cost is another big factor in considering the dream of playing baseball at Stanford.
Backstop22 posted:Very well said BOF. And to add a point that I heard clearly from the Stanford coaches at the camps, no matter how academically gifted a baseball player is, there are no academic merit scholarships. As one coach noted, everybody on the campus would be eligible for a merit scholarship if there was. And he told the parents that the athletic money available only goes so far when trying to fill the 28 man roster with a 25% minimum provided, plus 7 no athletic money walk-ons. The message was basically, if you do not meet the government definition of financial need, a kid wanting to play baseball at Stanford should plan on paying most if not all full tuition for 4 years. That is not something most families can afford (no matter what FASFA implies) so the cost is another big factor in considering the dream of playing baseball at Stanford.
I have to respectfully disagree with this.
Because they have sooooo much money, Stanford is fairly unique in how much they are able to help families with tuition. And in general, a family in the same income range may do better financially at a many well-endowed privates, such as the mentioned example of Duke, than they would at a state school where need-based money is harder to come by.
From Stanford admissions page:
Tuition Charges Covered for Parents with Income Below $125,000
For parents with total annual income below $125,000 and typical assets for this income range, the expected parent contribution will be low enough to ensure that all tuition charges are covered with need-based scholarship, federal and state grants, and/or outside scholarship funds.
Families with incomes at higher levels (typically up to $225,000) may also qualify for assistance, especially if more than one family member is enrolled in college. We encourage any family concerned about the ability to pay for a Stanford education to complete the application process. If we are not able to offer need-based scholarship funds we will recommend available loan programs.
If anyone can or will get into Stanford, finances will not be a hurdle. If you make 125 K or less you will not pay any tuition. You will only pay for room and board. On their website, they have a calculator that you can input your finances from your 1040 form and they will give you an estimated amount you will pay. FAFSA is just a start for universities like Stanford. They do not award very much merit aid in scholarships. They do have institutional aid. If you are starting to research schools and financing there are some terms and things you will want to be very aware of. Need blind campuses, look up these campuses. Some schools are using this label but are not "true to form" in application. Check and fill out each campus' net price calculator. Essentially private schools have a sliding scale on the amount of tuition you will pay. You may also want to see the school's policy on loan to meet your financial aid. Is there a cap each year? Some schools have gotten rid of loans or maxed out at 6500 per year to get you to finance your education. Work study may also be a part of this package. Look up the history of the average indebtedness of students. In California, it works out for us to be about the same price to go to a private university compared to a UC. Cappex.com is also a pretty good engine that gathers a lot of data for you in terms of finances and average test scores, etc. When we went to University of Richmond, the coach told all the parents that he loves to recruit poor kids and rich kids. The ones in the middle are the ones that end up being difficult to start playing with financial packages for the coach.
sunwalkingvalley posted:If anyone can or will get into Stanford, finances will not be a hurdle. If you make 125 K or less you will not pay any tuition. You will only pay for room and board. On their website, they have a calculator that you can input your finances from your 1040 form and they will give you an estimated amount you will pay. FAFSA is just a start for universities like Stanford. They do not award very much merit aid in scholarships. They do have institutional aid. If you are starting to research schools and financing there are some terms and things you will want to be very aware of. Need blind campuses, look up these campuses. Some schools are using this label but are not "true to form" in application. Check and fill out each campus' net price calculator. Essentially private schools have a sliding scale on the amount of tuition you will pay. You may also want to see the school's policy on loan to meet your financial aid. Is there a cap each year? Some schools have gotten rid of loans or maxed out at 6500 per year to get you to finance your education. Work study may also be a part of this package. Look up the history of the average indebtedness of students. In California, it works out for us to be about the same price to go to a private university compared to a UC. Cappex.com is also a pretty good engine that gathers a lot of data for you in terms of finances and average test scores, etc. When we went to University of Richmond, the coach told all the parents that he loves to recruit poor kids and rich kids. The ones in the middle are the ones that end up being difficult to start playing with financial packages for the coach.
Do not confuse what the on-line calculator says your expected family contribution is with a "free ride." Universities do not hand out free lunches, and Stanford is no different. Scholarship/Grant aid may come from a combination of federal, state and institutional sources. That doesn't mean you don't have to pay it back or qualify for it. I know Stanford and Ivy league schools have serious endowments, but not big enough to have a free lunch buffet for everyone making less than $125K. Private schools do not have a sliding scale for tuition. Tuition is the same for every student, regardless of income. How that tuition is paid (grants, loans, scholarships) is what is different.
Regarding rich/poor kids, I can see what the coach means because the financial aid packages are fairly easy to determine. But just because a kid is poor does not mean they are going to get through college on the cheap, it may just mean that they are going to merit more aid that does not have to be paid back. My kid got her ride at a Pac-12 school for academic merit, even though FAFSA said I had to pay the full tuition. So just because someone's family appears on paper to have the financial situation to have to foot the bill, that is not always the case either.
sunwalkingvalley posted:IIn California, it works out for us to be about the same price to go to a private university compared to a UC.
Anecdotally, both from our own experience and from what we have heard from other parents, this seems to be true. Privates know how much UC costs. Whether a particular private offers merit aid or need-based aid doesn't seem to make a difference. The offer is almost always in the ballpark of what the family would pay if they sent the kid to UC.
Kitkat posted:It's like going to a huge concert every day, it's so overcrowded! There are a lot of busses and some kids drive!
At first I thought "there is no way this guy's kid goes to a school with 5,000 students! How is that possible?" Then I did a good search on largest schools in the US! Holy Toledo, there are some enormous schools out there! My kids schools were about 2000-2200 students and now seem small by comparison.
I went to a College World Series regional game a couple years ago and there were several players from my alma mater in the stands during the game (in warm-up athletic gear). I asked one of them what the scoop was and he said he was a RS frosh. I asked how he ended up at the school (private) and he said he always wanted to play there and he chose it over schools on the east coast who had offered him scholarship money. So I asked him if the school was giving him any scholarship funds for sports and he said no. I turned to my son and asked "If you had a school offering $$$ to have you play there or a school that would just roster you (but your dream school), which would you choose?" He said "dream school." I said to him "If the school has skin in the game, they are going to try to get you on the field. No skin in the game is a serious dice roll." I would advise my son to attend the school that has skin in the game.
JCG posted:sunwalkingvalley posted:IIn California, it works out for us to be about the same price to go to a private university compared to a UC.
Anecdotally, both from our own experience and from what we have heard from other parents, this seems to be true. Privates know how much UC costs. Whether a particular private offers merit aid or need-based aid doesn't seem to make a difference. The offer is almost always in the ballpark of what the family would pay if they sent the kid to UC.
I hope they know how much UW cost for in-state and match that as well 
JCG posted:Backstop22 posted:Very well said BOF. And to add a point that I heard clearly from the Stanford coaches at the camps, no matter how academically gifted a baseball player is, there are no academic merit scholarships. As one coach noted, everybody on the campus would be eligible for a merit scholarship if there was. And he told the parents that the athletic money available only goes so far when trying to fill the 28 man roster with a 25% minimum provided, plus 7 no athletic money walk-ons. The message was basically, if you do not meet the government definition of financial need, a kid wanting to play baseball at Stanford should plan on paying most if not all full tuition for 4 years. That is not something most families can afford (no matter what FASFA implies) so the cost is another big factor in considering the dream of playing baseball at Stanford.
I have to respectfully disagree with this.
Because they have sooooo much money, Stanford is fairly unique in how much they are able to help families with tuition. And in general, a family in the same income range may do better financially at a many well-endowed privates, such as the mentioned example of Duke, than they would at a state school where need-based money is harder to come by.
From Stanford admissions page:Tuition Charges Covered for Parents with Income Below $125,000
For parents with total annual income below $125,000 and typical assets for this income range, the expected parent contribution will be low enough to ensure that all tuition charges are covered with need-based scholarship, federal and state grants, and/or outside scholarship funds.
Families with incomes at higher levels (typically up to $225,000) may also qualify for assistance, especially if more than one family member is enrolled in college. We encourage any family concerned about the ability to pay for a Stanford education to complete the application process. If we are not able to offer need-based scholarship funds we will recommend available loan programs.
Also from Stanford website:
Student Responsibility
Since you are the primary beneficiary of a Stanford education, we expect you to participate in paying for a portion of your college costs. Your financial aid package for the academic year will include an expected contribution from student earnings.
For most students, this expected contribution will be at least $5,000: at least $2,200 from prior earnings (particularly summer earnings), and $2,800 from part-time employment during the academic year. The total expected contribution from student earnings will vary based on individual circumstances.
In addition, you will be expected to contribute from your personal assets, such as savings and investments, if any. The contribution amount per academic year is set at 5% of your total assets as reported in your financial aid application materials.
You may choose to cover part or all of your expected contributions from earnings and assets with student loan funds. To request student loans, please send an email message to our office at financialaid@stanford.edu.
You can also reduce or eliminate your expected contribution from student earnings and assets by obtaining outside scholarships. For examples of how outside scholarships can reduce or eliminate the expected contribution from student earnings and assets, please refer to our Outside Awards page.
Not sure if we have any members on this forum who had kids actually play baseball at Stanford. Or even not play baseball, does anyone know a student at Stanford who received non-financial need based academic merit money? I would be really surprised if their coach lied and said no student gets such aid there. PM me if you are not comfortable posting such a situation. Maybe there are such scholarships for kids who got a perfect 36 ACT score with a 4.5 GPA and the "dummies" who only got a 34ACT and 4.3 GPA are not eligible for merit scholarships.
While those higher $$ thresholds may sound reasonable, in certain high cost areas like the Bay Area and parts of LA, there will be "middle class" families who still cannot afford it because they pay too high of costs for their housing. I don't know how accurate those calculators are on the various schools websites, but based on FASFA and what I input, we get zero financial aid at every school I ran the calculator on except Columbia. Through their incredible generosity and apparently the high cost of a New York city school, we'd get $4K financial aid reducing the cost of attending from $72K to $68K! That will really seal the deal--not!
Backstop22 posted:Not sure if we have any members on this forum who had kids actually play baseball at Stanford. Or even not play baseball, does anyone know a student at Stanford who received non-financial need based academic merit money? I would be really surprised if their coach lied and said no student gets such aid there. PM me if you are not comfortable posting such a situation. Maybe there are such scholarships for kids who got a perfect 36 ACT score with a 4.5 GPA and the "dummies" who only got a 34ACT and 4.3 GPA are not eligible for merit scholarships.
While those higher $$ thresholds may sound reasonable, in certain high cost areas like the Bay Area and parts of LA, there will be "middle class" families who still cannot afford it because they pay too high of costs for their housing. I don't know how accurate those calculators are on the various schools websites, but based on FASFA and what I input, we get zero financial aid at every school I ran the calculator on except Columbia. Through their incredible generosity and apparently the high cost of a New York city school, we'd get $4K financial aid reducing the cost of attending from $72K to $68K! That will really seal the deal--not!
I feel you Backstop22. They should really add regional adjustment to the FASFA formula (and tax formula for that matter.) The $125,000 threshold may seem high, but that's pretty much entry level salary for west coast tech companies; and people can barely afford a house with that income.
I know parents who send kids to Stanford, MIT, Duke, Yale, Northwestern, etc., but every single one of them are paying full tuition; not a penny from the school. I don't think a 36 ACT or 4.9 GPA will earn you merit aid at these schools. You have to win national or international prize or something. I do know a kid who won "Presidential Award" (2 per State each year) and Princeton gave her $10,000 scholarship.
The US Presidential Scholarship (one boy, one girl from every state and some at large winners too) does not provide any financial support (trip to DC for a week and a real presidential medal) but no $ so I am not sure the award is connected to the Princeton scholarship. I would be very surprised.
You are right. The Presidential Scholarship does not have money in itself. What I mean is that the Presidential Scholarship is such a distinctive National honor that some outside agency or school itself will give merit aid based on that. Similarly if your kid won the International Math Olympiad, you may get merit aid from Stanford or Duke.
My experience with Stanford goes beyond their recruitment of my son to play baseball, to include knowing some families who had their kid attend Stanford. One of the things that really stood out to me was Stanford pointed effort to help and keep enrolled students at their school. In other words, once your in, they bend over backwards to do everything they can to help a family keep their student in their school. I was pretty much awestruck by they efforts I came aware of. And even before that, when my son was being recruited by them, it was an important issue since we had been financially devastated by the Great Recession at the time. The coaches make a direct point to assure us that MONEY is never an issue for any of their players that would cause them to have to leave the school and that it was so for all students of the school.
I guess when a school has a $23 billion endowment, they can have such policies. 
BOF posted:As others have pointed out Stanford casts a very wide net and then narrows it down during the Junior year of an athlete. I don't want to burst any bubbles but Stanford attracts the best athlete/academic players in the country. Some may argue with me, but IMO they are the creme-dela-creme of college baseball when considering these factors. Sorry if I offend anyone, but Duke athletes are not anything like a Stanford athlete. (at least this was the case 4-5 years ago) If your son is one of the top players in the country - you will know this already. He also needs to be academically gifted. So your son is one of the top 100 athletically gifted players in the country and has the academic credentials, then he is a real prospect there. If not it is always great to dream about it.
Like Truman, my son was recruited by them (with about 3,500 other kids initially LOL) He made it down through their funnel and we met with Coach Stotz the winter of his Jr year and he showed us the campus, etc. While my son had the academic chops he never developed into the level of athlete they were looking for and dropped off their list in the summer of his Jr year.
The other factor you need to consider when thinking about high academic schools like Stanford is that your son will be competing with the best and brightest academically in the country and he will need to compete in the classroom as well as deal with the athletic demands of one of the most competitive programs in the country.
Good luck!
Sorry BOF, but as a Duke alum I need further clarification. I personally saw student-athletes bust their tail in the classroom AND the field/court. As everyone already knows, we've won numerous National Championships in basketball and made the NCAA tournament in baseball last year so someone must be doing something right, No?
I think that lots of confusion arises due to confusing terminology in understanding financial aid. Also keep in mind that schools want their FA to appear in the best light possible so the schools don't really want to be truly transparent.
Amongst D1 schools, it is my experience (S matriculated in 2010, D in 2013) that the Ivy schools had the best FA (and Stanford), followed (not even closely) by Duke and Vandy. Even within the Ivy schools there were huge differences. We are self-employed and that status is treated differently from a non self-employed family. So, Princeton offered more then Yale which offered more then Dartmouth; Duke and Vandy offered zero. Our FA offers ranged from 35k down to zero - on the exact same information.
Each package we were offered contained zero in loans, zero in merit aid, and contained a 3k "award" for work study. Both kids passed on WS; S wouldn't have had time, D found a better job then the $10/hr offered. (As far as I know, no amount of distinction can get a merit award at these schools [D was a first place grand prize award winner in ISEF and, apart from the money won at ISEF, got no further monetary advantages from that].)
One kicker is in the definitions the schools use. For example, what does the term "typical assets" really mean, is the family home considered part of the asset base, etc.? When you meet with a FA officer do not hesitiate to ask.
If a family has minimal assets and their wages are 125k (not self employed) attending an Ivy is basically free tuition; and yes, their endowment is plenty big to give it (e.g., 1500 kids at 40,000 is "only" 60 million - a rounding error at HYP's endowment).
For self-employed families, financial planning years BEFORE submitting the FA docs can reap HUGE benefits in increased FA.
I do not have first hand Stanford FA info but hear through friends whose kids go that it is similar to an Ivy.
Both kids received the names of "benefactors" to whom they were asked to write and thank for their aid (that may confuse some parents who believe that, because the aid received is attached to a name, it must be a "scholarship"). There are also national scholarship programs - not attached to the schools - such as Questbridge which can lead to confusion as to the source of the scholarship.
And yes, even with partial aid, these top top schools will require a family to tighten its belt and feel some pain. The reward are jobs; lots and lots of jobs - high paying, interesting, challenging jobs in virtually any state or country. With salaries starting in the 70 - 90k range (PLUS benifits) combined with the training these companies provide over the first 2 - 3 years, makes these graduates desireable for years to come - just based on their resume (that effect diminishes as work experience begins to outweigh paper qualifications a few years down the road).
If your kid had a chance to get to the Ivies or Stanford, run - do not walk - to accept; tighten your belt, whatever it takes - you will have placed your child with a significant headstart in the marathon of life. (W and I are state school graduates who paid for our own educations. We sucked it up to pay what wasnt covered by FA; both kids have jobs paying well north of their COA. We joke that we prepared them well for our ultimate move into their basements in the future.)
CHEEHEEZE,
Yep I agree with everything you posted. Nothing against effort, or anything else regarding the college experience at Duke or any school for that matter. It is just for baseball specifically (obviously Duke basketball is second to none at the moment) the overall talent that is recruited by Stanford is a notch above Duke.
BOF posted:CHEEHEEZE,
Yep I agree with everything you posted. Nothing against effort, or anything else regarding the college experience at Duke or any school for that matter. It is just for baseball specifically (obviously Duke basketball is second to none at the moment) the overall talent that is recruited by Stanford is a notch above Duke.
I love the which school is better then the next one conversations...as if you will be better off at Stanford, Duke or Vandy...it doesn't make a damn bit of difference folks they all will get you anywhere you want to go (career wise) if you want it bad enough. it is as silly as arguing if a Jag, is better then a Benz or stick with the BMW.
old_school posted:BOF posted:CHEEHEEZE,
Yep I agree with everything you posted. Nothing against effort, or anything else regarding the college experience at Duke or any school for that matter. It is just for baseball specifically (obviously Duke basketball is second to none at the moment) the overall talent that is recruited by Stanford is a notch above Duke.
I love the which school is better then the next one conversations...as if you will be better off at Stanford, Duke or Vandy...it doesn't make a damn bit of difference folks they all will get you anywhere you want to go (career wise) if you want it bad enough. it is as silly as arguing if a Jag, is better then a Benz or stick with the BMW.
Well, clearly, it's the BMW.
I would have taken you for a Volvo driver, Smoke.
Backstop - in general, the super elite academic schools do not offer any academic money. That is the case for all the ivies, I would expect it is the case for Stanford as well. With the large endowments, they do find ways to be very generous with need based aid, but they are turning away kids with perfect scores, they aren't going to give merit money to someone just for having them.
JCG posted:I would have taken you for a Volvo driver, Smoke.
Not quite sure how to take that.
Steady, thoughtful, resourceful?
Dull, predictable, safe?
I guess it's something like this: I look like a Volvo wagon, but I want to be a Bimmer I8
smokeminside posted:old_school posted:BOF posted:CHEEHEEZE,
Yep I agree with everything you posted. Nothing against effort, or anything else regarding the college experience at Duke or any school for that matter. It is just for baseball specifically (obviously Duke basketball is second to none at the moment) the overall talent that is recruited by Stanford is a notch above Duke.
I love the which school is better then the next one conversations...as if you will be better off at Stanford, Duke or Vandy...it doesn't make a damn bit of difference folks they all will get you anywhere you want to go (career wise) if you want it bad enough. it is as silly as arguing if a Jag, is better then a Benz or stick with the BMW.
Well, clearly, it's the BMW.
Now I have an opinion on that: not the jag, never been a BMW guy... I'll stick with Benz.
Great new thread ... opinions on watches?
Gov posted:smokeminside posted:old_school posted:BOF posted:CHEEHEEZE,
Yep I agree with everything you posted. Nothing against effort, or anything else regarding the college experience at Duke or any school for that matter. It is just for baseball specifically (obviously Duke basketball is second to none at the moment) the overall talent that is recruited by Stanford is a notch above Duke.
I love the which school is better then the next one conversations...as if you will be better off at Stanford, Duke or Vandy...it doesn't make a damn bit of difference folks they all will get you anywhere you want to go (career wise) if you want it bad enough. it is as silly as arguing if a Jag, is better then a Benz or stick with the BMW.
Well, clearly, it's the BMW.
Now I have an opinion on that: not the jag, never been a BMW guy... I'll stick with Benz.
Great new thread ... opinions on watches?
Watches? I'll go with Breitling (chronograph).
Better new thread...Guns (let's stick with 1911's) & pocketknives?
LOL
DesertDuck posted:Gov posted:smokeminside posted:old_school posted:BOF posted:CHEEHEEZE,
Yep I agree with everything you posted. Nothing against effort, or anything else regarding the college experience at Duke or any school for that matter. It is just for baseball specifically (obviously Duke basketball is second to none at the moment) the overall talent that is recruited by Stanford is a notch above Duke.
I love the which school is better then the next one conversations...as if you will be better off at Stanford, Duke or Vandy...it doesn't make a damn bit of difference folks they all will get you anywhere you want to go (career wise) if you want it bad enough. it is as silly as arguing if a Jag, is better then a Benz or stick with the BMW.
Well, clearly, it's the BMW.
Now I have an opinion on that: not the jag, never been a BMW guy... I'll stick with Benz.
Great new thread ... opinions on watches?
Watches? I'll go with Breitling (chronograph).
Better new thread...Guns (let's stick with 1911's) & pocketknives?
LOL
Excellent... AP, Blanpain guy here...
we can ramp this thread up
Gov posted:DesertDuck posted:Gov posted:smokeminside posted:old_school posted:BOF posted:CHEEHEEZE,
Yep I agree with everything you posted. Nothing against effort, or anything else regarding the college experience at Duke or any school for that matter. It is just for baseball specifically (obviously Duke basketball is second to none at the moment) the overall talent that is recruited by Stanford is a notch above Duke.
I love the which school is better then the next one conversations...as if you will be better off at Stanford, Duke or Vandy...it doesn't make a damn bit of difference folks they all will get you anywhere you want to go (career wise) if you want it bad enough. it is as silly as arguing if a Jag, is better then a Benz or stick with the BMW.
Well, clearly, it's the BMW.
Now I have an opinion on that: not the jag, never been a BMW guy... I'll stick with Benz.
Great new thread ... opinions on watches?
Watches? I'll go with Breitling (chronograph).
Better new thread...Guns (let's stick with 1911's) & pocketknives?
LOL
Excellent... AP, Blanpain guy here...
we can ramp this thread up
Holycow! Only 144K with a 50K discount (impressive)?
https://worldofluxuryus.com/66...9OSuXkPu0RoCSmnw_wcB
Cover a couple years at Stanford anyway......
OK , I won't hijack anymore-
After all is said and done, I still go with a what I've learned from this site:
"Go where you're loved. Go where you're wanted. Go where you can play." And I'll throw one more in there, "Go where you can pay."
If Stanford meets that criteria, that's awesome, I'd recommend it. If your local State U fits it? Well that's good too.
Gov posted:smokeminside posted:old_school posted:BOF posted:CHEEHEEZE,
Yep I agree with everything you posted. Nothing against effort, or anything else regarding the college experience at Duke or any school for that matter. It is just for baseball specifically (obviously Duke basketball is second to none at the moment) the overall talent that is recruited by Stanford is a notch above Duke.
I love the which school is better then the next one conversations...as if you will be better off at Stanford, Duke or Vandy...it doesn't make a damn bit of difference folks they all will get you anywhere you want to go (career wise) if you want it bad enough. it is as silly as arguing if a Jag, is better then a Benz or stick with the BMW.
Well, clearly, it's the BMW.
Now I have an opinion on that: not the jag, never been a BMW guy... I'll stick with Benz.
Great new thread ... opinions on watches?
The Audi S7 has always been the one that catches my eye...just sayin.
Backstop22 posted:Not sure if we have any members on this forum who had kids actually play baseball at Stanford. Or even not play baseball, does anyone know a student at Stanford who received non-financial need based academic merit money? I would be really surprised if their coach lied and said no student gets such aid there. PM me if you are not comfortable posting such a situation. Maybe there are such scholarships for kids who got a perfect 36 ACT score with a 4.5 GPA and the "dummies" who only got a 34ACT and 4.3 GPA are not eligible for merit scholarships.
My son is a freshman at Stanford. Happy to try to answer any specific academic or baseball questions folks may have. Earlier posters are correct in that Stanford does not offer any merit-based aid, athletic and need-based only. Was thrilled but not surprised to hear the words every parent wants to hear last week, "I love it here!"