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I'm not sure if this is the right board to pose this topic, but since this one gets the most traffic and the subject fairly general, it seems appropriate.

Background:

Growing up all ever wanted to do was pitch, so that's pretty much all I did. Every day I'd throw and work on my mechanics with my dad. I got pretty good at it too. At 12 years old I was clocked consistently in the low 70's, and it wasn't because I was big(only 4'10").

Going into high school I hadn't grown much. I was 5'1" my freshman year. And hadn't gained any velocity since little league, still low 70's. I no longer could overpower hitters, so I had to learn how to pitch. I had great control and good to great slider, 2 seam, and circle change. Any way, I played quite a bit of travel ball the fall of freshman year(probably too much), and going into my freshman season was having elbow pain. I didn't think much of it and thought it was only tendonitis, so I pitched through it. Halfway through the year I was midway through a game when my shoulder popped. I couldn't pitch through this pain so went to an orthropedic surgeon and found out that I had fractured my growth plate in my shoulder.

This sidelined me for a few months, but after rehab, I was back to playing travel ball. Again my elbow bothered me, and again I thought it was only tendonitis. Going into my sophomore year I was 5'3" and still low 70's. Halfway through I decided to go back to the orthropedic surgeon this time for my elbow. An MRI showed that I had torn my UCL, so a week later I had Tommy John surgery. The doctor said he had been doing these type of surgeries for 10 years, but had never seen anything like mine. Usually there are still remnants of the ligament attached to the joint that doctor can go by when replacing the ligament. With mine there was nothing left.

Months of rehab and countless refills of Vioxx later, I was back on the field for my junior year. By the start of it I had grown to 5'11", 155 lbs. Going into the year I tried to pitch but had absolutely no velocity, control, or movement, so I decided to hang up the pitching cleats and devote myself to becoming the best second baseman I could be. Besides, we were absolutely loaded with pitching(two buddies in my class went on to pitch at A&M and Texas).

After graduation I decided to devote myself to school. Right. And pretty much didn't pick up a ball for a couple years. I also didn't work out at all in that time. I put on my freshman 30 and was 6'0" 185. This past summer(in between my Jr. and Sr. year), I threw with my buddy who pitches at A&M (where I go to school). Three sessions in I was really getting some good pop on my ball, and my friend said, "Seriously, you're getting it up there in the mid 80's." So I decided to try and walk on, but being an idiot, I rushed things and my arm fell apart. It was nothing serious, just a case of soreness and dead arm. So I scratched my plans of walking on, and again devoted myself to my studies. Right.

Flash forward a few months, and I've been helping my brother with his high school team. (I absolutely love helping him coach, and I think I might give it a try). He has a kid who last year as a junior was running it up there at 88-90. A few weeks in he blew out his elbow and had TJ surgery. He came back great, and we've clocked him 84-85 so far this season. The thing is I can run it up there with him.

So here are my questions:

1) It's too late for me to do anything in college, but what other avenues are available for me to persue the next level?

2) I'm still very out of shape. I probably couldn't run a mile, but I'm down to about 175. Can anyone offer any insight as to how much I can improve velocity wise if I got in shape? I've also lost all movement on my 2 seam and can't get my slider to do anything but spin. Will this come back with time?

3) For the kid that's a senior, what do suggest he do to get noticed. The summer between your junior and senior years is pivotal, and he missed it. He's 6'2"/6'3" righty with a devestating 12-6 curve. I expect he'll get his velocity back by the end of the season. He hasn't played select before, plays at a smaller school(2A), and there's not very many high level select teams in our area, so what should he do to get noticed my high level D-1 schools?

I'm a bit long winded, so I apologize for the length. I've just never known anyone that's gone through my situation with a six year break. I'd appreciate any suggestions. Thanks.
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ytbaseball, I really enjoyed reading your post. It sounds like you have been through a lot these past few years. The really cool thing is that your passion for the game has never waned.

Regarding your questions:

1. I noticed that you are a student at Texas A&M. Gig 'em! They have a very good club baseball program you can look into. Here is the link:
http://studentactivities.tamu....ofile#profile-public
If you get in some innings your senior year and still feel like you would like to try and reach the next level, you can always attend a few free pro tryouts in the spring/early summer of 2009 or 2010.

2. Someone else will have to help you with this.

3. Your brother (the h.s. senior) needs to cast a very wide net right now. He should email the recruiting coordinators of D1, D2, D3, and JUCO programs that he is interested in and explain his situation. (Don't contact only high-level D1's. Be open-minded to any and all opportunities.) The good news is that many college programs are still looking for pitchers in the spring and summer. He should email these recruiting coordinators his spring schedule, but don't be surprised if they are too busy with their own seasons to come to any games. Honestly, your brother should give serious thought to playing for a select team this coming summer, when more college coaches can see him on the mound. I live in Texas and am familiar with a number of programs. I would be happy to talk with you more about this if you'll send me a PM.

Hope to hear from you soon. Best wishes!
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You need to find an adult league to play in. The next level, at this point in time for you, is any level. You need to play somewhere, if that's what you want.

Noticed something you said that is very revealing.

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Going into high school I hadn't grown much. I was 5'1" my freshman year. And hadn't gained any velocity since little league, still low 70's. I no longer could overpower hitters, so I had to learn how to pitch. I had great control and good to great slider, 2 seam, and circle change.


Must admit that this following quote wasn't really all that surprising.

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Going into my sophomore year I was 5'3" and still low 70's. Halfway through I decided to go back to the orthropedic surgeon this time for my elbow. An MRI showed that I had torn my UCL, so a week later I had Tommy John surgery.


Some might disagree, but sliders are for the older boys. Your not the first kid to blow his arm throwing sliders at too young an age. I also believe split finger pitches are hard on young kids. We have seen kids throw splitfingers that don't do much at all other than put strain on the arm. To me that is another pitch for the older boys. If anyone doesn't believe that... Hold your hand out at release position and feel how relaxed your arm feels. Now spread your index and middle fingers apart as far as you can. You should immediately feel the tightness. Tightness is not a good thing when throwing a baseball. Especially in young arms that have yet to develop.
I appreciate the advice and encouragement offered.

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3. Your brother (the h.s. senior) needs to cast a very wide net right now. He should email the recruiting coordinators of D1, D2, D3, and JUCO programs that he is interested in and explain his situation. (Don't contact only high-level D1's. Be open-minded to any and all opportunities.) The good news is that many college programs are still looking for pitchers in the spring and summer. He should email these recruiting coordinators his spring schedule, but don't be surprised if they are too busy with their own seasons to come to any games. Honestly, your brother should give serious thought to playing for a select team this coming summer, when more college coaches can see him on the mound. I live in Texas and am familiar with a number of programs. I would be happy to talk with you more about this if you'll send me a PM.


I guess I should clarify my my post a little bit. My brother's coaching this kid. In the past he's done a lot to get his kids noticed, but he's never had one with this much talent.

I'll talk to the kid tomorrow at practice about his plans. I know he wants to play ball somewhere, but I'm not sure if he's got anything planned out(or aware of what's available to him).

I'll definately send you a PM, I appreciate the help. Select ball is what both of my friends suggested when I asked them about the kid. One played for Houston KC, and the other the Houston Heat. The one that pitches at A&M didn't get noticed until the June after his senior year. I'm just not sure how feasible select ball is for the kid. I'm kind of ignorant of his situation and the costs.

I'll be sure to help them contact the recruiting cooridinators of the schools he's interested in. One thing though, how open are they to this type of contact? I know from experience how inflated MPH numbers can be. Hearing and seeing can be two different things, so I can imagine they'd be fairly skeptical.

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You need to find an adult league to play in. The next level, at this point in time for you, is any level. You need to play somewhere, if that's what you want.



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1. I noticed that you are a student at Texas A&M. Gig 'em! They have a very good club baseball program you can look into. Here is the link:
http://studentactivities.tamu....ofile#profile-public
If you get in some innings your senior year and still feel like you would like to try and reach the next level, you can always attend a few free pro tryouts in the spring/early summer of 2009 or 2010.


Definately a Gig 'Em back.

The thing is I'm pretty busy this semester. Not so much with class, I've only got them on Tuesdays and Thursdays, but with helping out with my brother's team. I'll graduate in August or December depending on what I do this summer, and after that I'm not sure what I want to do. I've thought about giving it shot for a while, and that's impacted my plans quite a bit. I know I've got a job assisting my brother if I wanted, but also like I said, our area is pretty devoid of select ball so I've thought about trying to get something like that together.

It's kind of sad. When I was in high school every player in our area worth anything was playing on travel teams. We easily had 100+ games of experience on the kids now, and you can tell. There were 6 kids from my high school alone that went on to high level D1 schools or were drafted in a 5 year stretch, and at least that many from towns within 30 minutes of us. There hasn't been one in the four years since I graduated.

Any way, I was thinking that I could do one of these things, and during that time work my way back and then maybe go to a few tryouts. The problem with that is definately a lack of game experience. After six years the mental side of pitching is just as rusty as the physical. I can pick up on holes in hitters swings just as quickly as I did while I was pitching, but there's a lot more to it than that.

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Some might disagree, but sliders are for the older boys. Your not the first kid to blow his arm throwing sliders at too young an age. I also believe split finger pitches are hard on young kids. We have seen kids throw splitfingers that don't do much at all other than put strain on the arm. To me that is another pitch for the older boys. If anyone doesn't believe that... Hold your hand out at release position and feel how relaxed your arm feels. Now spread your index and middle fingers apart as far as you can. You should immediately feel the tightness. Tightness is not a good thing when throwing a baseball. Especially in young arms that have yet to develop.


Looking back I think that's definately what happened. It all started out with my brother teaching me a cut fastball and a two seamer. All of the movement came from pressure and a little bit of supination and pronation, but that quickly turned into me wanting to get more out of my cut. So my cut turned into a slider, and getting more out of it came at a price. I also pitched way too many innings the fall of my freshman year, 50+. I thought I had a "rubber arm". Since then I've decided there's no such thing.
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I fear your baseball days are over. Too much too early. Too bad the orthopedist didn't address your elbow issues but the damage done earlier in your career probably doomed you anyhow. Maybe you could be a coach somehwere. Good luck.



There's a 99.99% chance your right, but I don't think it will be because of the past damage. Instead, it will be because I never had the talent in the first place. I'm just gonna see how things go, and if it ain't meant to be, well, I'd love to coach.

It's just strange getting velocity back six years after surgery, and it got me to wondering.

Thanks for the reply.
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if it ain't meant to be, well, I'd love to coach.


ytbaseball, based on what you have shared in some PM's, I think you would be a fabulous coach. You have an eye for recognizing talent and for seeing what needs to be corrected, and you have a heart for young players and helping them achieve their goals. My hat is off to you!

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