Hey this kid's pretty good. 23 K's in a one hit shutout against Utah. Wow.
http://goaztecs.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/recaps/041208aaa.html
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That is just ridiculous in college baseball! Wow!
That is truly unbelievable!
Check out the link to the box score. Strasburg not only struck out 23, he allowed only 1 hit and only 1 walk! Only 3 base runners in all, as he also did hit one guy.
I have never heard of this guy. Anyone know what kind of stuff he has? Is he a high MPH guy? A sharp slider guy? Both?
Utah may not be a national power but they have a 13-15 record so it's not like they're hapless. I have no idea how this is possible given how tough college baseball competition has gotten over the years.
Check out the link to the box score. Strasburg not only struck out 23, he allowed only 1 hit and only 1 walk! Only 3 base runners in all, as he also did hit one guy.
I have never heard of this guy. Anyone know what kind of stuff he has? Is he a high MPH guy? A sharp slider guy? Both?
Utah may not be a national power but they have a 13-15 record so it's not like they're hapless. I have no idea how this is possible given how tough college baseball competition has gotten over the years.
quote:Is he a high MPH guy? A sharp slider guy? Both?
Yeah both. Great slider, and reports have him hitting 100MPH a few times in the fall. Most amazing is he went undrafted out of HS. BTW, SDSU has great starting pitching this year.
Here's video of Strasburg warming up.
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/stephen-strasburg-of-...-st-aztecs/632203581
Is he that smooth and effortless when he's in games, or at 100 mph? Or was that taken before he really got to max effort?
Everybody will know about him now !!!
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I (and a gagglefull of pro scouts) will have the oppotunity to see him this weeeknd from the front row...Yipee!
BTW...looked at the video...he is so good they had to change catchers half way through the bullpen!
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I (and a gagglefull of pro scouts) will have the oppotunity to see him this weeeknd from the front row...Yipee!
BTW...looked at the video...he is so good they had to change catchers half way through the bullpen!
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He wasn’t unknown, but he sure has improved a lot. He’s now near the top of the list for the 2009 draft. He has improved his mechanics and more importantly his body tremendously in a short period of time at San Diego State. We still do not have any confirmed reports of 100 mph, but it is possible. He is an easy mid 90s guy.
Strasburg pitched in some of the PG tournaments while in high school in California, Georgia and Jupiter. Played for the San Diego Show and also on the Braves Scout Team. We had him ranked 138 in the nation as a senior in High School. Here are the reports from 2005 that I copied from the PG database.
Stephen Strasburg
HS Grad: 2006
RHP
6’4 225
R/R
HS: West Hills
HS GPA: 4.45
HS SAT: 1760
At Jupiter 2005: Braves Scout Team #31
Body: thick lower half, some softness, good pitching frame.
Notes: Up to 91, mostly 87-89, 90 from stretch, slurve 71-72, Ch 80. A bit of a jerky delivery, needs to smooth things out and tone up body a bit. Should get some draft interest and should be a high level DI pitcher.
Other earlier report
Notes: 86-88, Big strong thick mature kid. Body a little soft but shows some very good arm strength. Projects backwards. Top level student.
PG National HS Rank 2005: 138
Currently…
He was ranked #2 among all 2008 college sophomores (top 100 list) released Jan.1st., 2008
He was ranked the unanimous #1 prospect in the NECL last summer. Here is the report written last year by Allan Simpson for pgcrosschecker.
1. Steve Strasburg RHP Torrington Twisters R-R 6-4 227 So. San Diego State
SCOUTING REPORT: Strasburg was head and shoulders the best prospect in the NECBL—possibly the No. 1 prospect in all the nation’s premier summer leagues. He had the whole package, with size, presence, command and overpowering stuff. His fastball was a steady 94-95 mph and had excellent sinking action. His slider was also a solid-average to plus pitch. He even showed feel for a changeup—a third pitch he rarely used, or needed, in his role as Torrington ’s closer. On the season, Strasburg went 1-0, 1.29 with eight saves in 13 appearances. In 14 innings, he walked just one while striking out 25. He was named the league’s all-star closer and official No. 1 prospect. He also dominated as a freshman at San Diego State , after mysteriously going undrafted out of high school. He went 1-3, 2.43 with seven saves for the Aztecs, while striking out 47 in 37 innings and allowing just 18 hits.
Strasburg pitched in some of the PG tournaments while in high school in California, Georgia and Jupiter. Played for the San Diego Show and also on the Braves Scout Team. We had him ranked 138 in the nation as a senior in High School. Here are the reports from 2005 that I copied from the PG database.
Stephen Strasburg
HS Grad: 2006
RHP
6’4 225
R/R
HS: West Hills
HS GPA: 4.45
HS SAT: 1760
At Jupiter 2005: Braves Scout Team #31
Body: thick lower half, some softness, good pitching frame.
Notes: Up to 91, mostly 87-89, 90 from stretch, slurve 71-72, Ch 80. A bit of a jerky delivery, needs to smooth things out and tone up body a bit. Should get some draft interest and should be a high level DI pitcher.
Other earlier report
Notes: 86-88, Big strong thick mature kid. Body a little soft but shows some very good arm strength. Projects backwards. Top level student.
PG National HS Rank 2005: 138
Currently…
He was ranked #2 among all 2008 college sophomores (top 100 list) released Jan.1st., 2008
He was ranked the unanimous #1 prospect in the NECL last summer. Here is the report written last year by Allan Simpson for pgcrosschecker.
1. Steve Strasburg RHP Torrington Twisters R-R 6-4 227 So. San Diego State
SCOUTING REPORT: Strasburg was head and shoulders the best prospect in the NECBL—possibly the No. 1 prospect in all the nation’s premier summer leagues. He had the whole package, with size, presence, command and overpowering stuff. His fastball was a steady 94-95 mph and had excellent sinking action. His slider was also a solid-average to plus pitch. He even showed feel for a changeup—a third pitch he rarely used, or needed, in his role as Torrington ’s closer. On the season, Strasburg went 1-0, 1.29 with eight saves in 13 appearances. In 14 innings, he walked just one while striking out 25. He was named the league’s all-star closer and official No. 1 prospect. He also dominated as a freshman at San Diego State , after mysteriously going undrafted out of high school. He went 1-3, 2.43 with seven saves for the Aztecs, while striking out 47 in 37 innings and allowing just 18 hits.
What does "projects backwards" mean?
quote:Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
What does "projects backwards" mean?
That is an interesting question. I am going to take a guess at it just for the sake of discussion.
I am guessing most kids project by adding weight. In some cases, the kid may need to actually lose a few pounds before they reach their potential. In other words, when they firm themselves up and lose the baby fat. I believe PG discussed this in the past in relation to Connor Graham who was a very big kid in high school and increased his draft status as he firmed himself up.
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Your correct... Sorry I wrote this explanation before seeing your post. I will post it anyway.
It is a description that we use once in awhile. It means the opposite of the typical body type that projects. That being the tall, lean, athletic looking body type that projects to get bigger and stronger.
Players that are completely physically matured with big strong bodies are often said to lack projection (physically), it dfoesn’t mean they don’t project in other ways. Players with talent and lots of room to fill in and get much bigger and stronger, are usually the most projectable. Sometimes players have talent and a good frame but lack conditioning or are overweight. These are the players we project backwards. In other words, if they lose weight, get in better condition, and tone up their body, they become stronger, thus better… They project in the opposite way, but with the same results. Not sure if that makes sense or not, but it’s about physical projection. Tall skinny kids with no ability usually don’t project. Likewise tall heavy set kids with no ability don’t project. Lots of tall skinny kids do project to get bigger and better… “Some” not so skinny kids project the opposite way (backwards).
Project backwards, is probably not the best term to use, but we’ve always used it.
Some recent pitchers that projected backwards when we saw them at a younger age.
Chris Perez and Connor Graham.
When we first saw Connor Graham he weighed 265, we liked his frame and especially his arm action. He looked very young for his age. He was throwing around 86-87 if I remember correctly. We told him he needed to work on his body. To his credit the next time we saw him he looked much better and was headed in the right direction.
As a junior and top prospect at Miami of Ohio he was 6-6/233 and touching upper 90s.
Note: Three years after those reports listing Strasburg at 225 and soft… Strasburg is listed at 220 and looking at the video you can see he looks very strong and not soft at all. Maybe not the greatest example of “backward” projection, but none the less an example.
Your correct... Sorry I wrote this explanation before seeing your post. I will post it anyway.
It is a description that we use once in awhile. It means the opposite of the typical body type that projects. That being the tall, lean, athletic looking body type that projects to get bigger and stronger.
Players that are completely physically matured with big strong bodies are often said to lack projection (physically), it dfoesn’t mean they don’t project in other ways. Players with talent and lots of room to fill in and get much bigger and stronger, are usually the most projectable. Sometimes players have talent and a good frame but lack conditioning or are overweight. These are the players we project backwards. In other words, if they lose weight, get in better condition, and tone up their body, they become stronger, thus better… They project in the opposite way, but with the same results. Not sure if that makes sense or not, but it’s about physical projection. Tall skinny kids with no ability usually don’t project. Likewise tall heavy set kids with no ability don’t project. Lots of tall skinny kids do project to get bigger and better… “Some” not so skinny kids project the opposite way (backwards).
Project backwards, is probably not the best term to use, but we’ve always used it.
Some recent pitchers that projected backwards when we saw them at a younger age.
Chris Perez and Connor Graham.
When we first saw Connor Graham he weighed 265, we liked his frame and especially his arm action. He looked very young for his age. He was throwing around 86-87 if I remember correctly. We told him he needed to work on his body. To his credit the next time we saw him he looked much better and was headed in the right direction.
As a junior and top prospect at Miami of Ohio he was 6-6/233 and touching upper 90s.
Note: Three years after those reports listing Strasburg at 225 and soft… Strasburg is listed at 220 and looking at the video you can see he looks very strong and not soft at all. Maybe not the greatest example of “backward” projection, but none the less an example.
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Whaddya' think PG...projectible or just a half-baked idea?
Whaddya' think PG...projectible or just a half-baked idea?
PGStaff,
I hope you don't mind if I tag on an update about Connor Graham.
My son and husband were at that same 2003 PG indoor showcase with Connor and his dad, who posted regularly on this site at that time and still posts once in a while. The two dads got to visit, and my hubby confirmed what a nice family they are.
Connor was drafted by the Rockies last June and played Short Season. An article from a couple weeks ago says Connor will be a starter at single-A this year, and gave this recap of last summer:
"In six games, Graham went 1-0 with a 2.37 ERA at Tri-City and was clocked as high as 98 mph."
It looks like your projection of Connor was on the mark...98 mph!
http://blogs.citizen-times.com/blogs/index.php?blog=12&...more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
I hope you don't mind if I tag on an update about Connor Graham.
My son and husband were at that same 2003 PG indoor showcase with Connor and his dad, who posted regularly on this site at that time and still posts once in a while. The two dads got to visit, and my hubby confirmed what a nice family they are.
Connor was drafted by the Rockies last June and played Short Season. An article from a couple weeks ago says Connor will be a starter at single-A this year, and gave this recap of last summer:
"In six games, Graham went 1-0 with a 2.37 ERA at Tri-City and was clocked as high as 98 mph."
It looks like your projection of Connor was on the mark...98 mph!
http://blogs.citizen-times.com/blogs/index.php?blog=12&...more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
Sounds like it's one of those terms like reading a medical chart that says "well nourished", or other euphemisms!
Better than making a paper record that says, "kinda chubby, needs to join Nutri System!"
(That would by MY PGX page!)
Better than making a paper record that says, "kinda chubby, needs to join Nutri System!"
(That would by MY PGX page!)
I saw him pitch several times during the the fall of his SR year in HS w/ the Braves Scout Team. As Jerry posted, he was not an unknown player. He was a very good pitcher in fact that showed a lot of upside. He had a lot of ability then and it sounds like he has made some positive changes to his body and his mechanics. The performance that Strasburg had is pretty special and I will bet that this will not be the last time you hear his name!
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Was doing my weekly Boyd's World review and I saw that in the 23K game he threw an estimated 138 pitches..Hope this is not a nomal outing...
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Was doing my weekly Boyd's World review and I saw that in the 23K game he threw an estimated 138 pitches..Hope this is not a nomal outing...
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Great out, Steve is moving up the draft charts for next season.
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Watched him tonight...as did many scouts and agents...
WOW!...This kid can really pitch and throw....He is the real deal for sure...
...a priviledge to watch him.
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Watched him tonight...as did many scouts and agents...
WOW!...This kid can really pitch and throw....He is the real deal for sure...
...a priviledge to watch him.
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And I am told he hit 99...
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And I am told he hit 99...
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Another great Strasburg stat.....
This weekend San Diego State played @ UNLV. Here are the scores from the 3 games:
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FRI- SDSU won 17-1
SAT- UNLV won 19-18
SUN- UNLV won 20-16
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Strasburg threw on Friday and held UNLV down. He pitched 7 innings, allowed 4 hits, 0 runs, struck out 13 and walked 0!
Those are some impressive stats. Even more impressive when you see the scores from the weekend.
This weekend San Diego State played @ UNLV. Here are the scores from the 3 games:
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FRI- SDSU won 17-1
SAT- UNLV won 19-18
SUN- UNLV won 20-16
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Strasburg threw on Friday and held UNLV down. He pitched 7 innings, allowed 4 hits, 0 runs, struck out 13 and walked 0!
Those are some impressive stats. Even more impressive when you see the scores from the weekend.
How about SDSU avg 17 runs a game in the 3 game series and going 1-2......OUCH!