"We all have horror stories of team moms and dads.
I am just not sure whether this is the place to air it all out." - TPM
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No I haven't seen nothing to that extreme. It sounds like that was one ungrateful mother. You can add a little bit of crazy to it too. Sounds like the kid needs to tell his mom to just sit her butt in the stands and keep her lips closed. She's just making it worse in my opinion.
That poor kid! Can you imagine having a parent like that? He's probably mortified. It sounds as if he is on the right track for next year -- if his mom would stay out of it!
quote:Originally posted by RJM:
Has anyone ever heard of a parent ticked off their kid was called up to potentially be part of a championship?
The championship part is irrelevant to the mom. It's about wanting to see her kid play. Once her kid is playing, then the championship run is relevant.
However, ranting and raving to the varsity parents and coach isn't doing her boy any good...
I've seen similar situations where parents weren't happy that their kid sat on varsity and say they'd rather see them play down on jv. Some of them did though. However, I really didn't buy into it when parents said that but I just assumed it was frustration watching their kid sit.
quote:Originally posted by zombywoof:
The championship part is irrelevant to the mom. It's about wanting to see her kid play. Once her kid is playing, then the championship run is relevant.
Well it better become relevant to her. High school, to me, is more of a family atmosphere. Everybody, JV and Varsity contributes in some sort of way. All this, "it's about wanting to see HER kid play, once HER kid is playing, then the championship run is relevant" is not the way to go. She needs to check her feelings at the gate and shut her hole and know her role.
I agree but it's easier to look at it from the team harmony perspective when your kid is playing. I'd bet more parents would be upset than you think if their kid wasn't playing. How mamy times have you seen parents who appear very supportive, then their kid gets into a slump or somebody comes along and beats out a starter who is now relegated to the bench do a '180' and have the long puss at the games and all of a sudden are very quiet and unapproachable and start the digs.
We have had a few like this. Have a set right now as a matter of fact. If junior isn't pitching, coach is a moron. If junior is pitching and getting shelled (which is SOP), coach is "hanging him out to dry". (I'd like to report what they do when junior has a great game, but so far that hasn't happened.)
They love to come to the games with all their stuff and then, at the most opportune moment, pack up and stalk off, loudly declaring their dislike for the coach as they do so. Once they're gone, the fun meter goes way, way up!
We live in a small town so the kids have all played in the same spheres since Little League days... it never changes. Although a couple of them did form their own travel team for a few years there - the coaches really WERE morons then!
They love to come to the games with all their stuff and then, at the most opportune moment, pack up and stalk off, loudly declaring their dislike for the coach as they do so. Once they're gone, the fun meter goes way, way up!
We live in a small town so the kids have all played in the same spheres since Little League days... it never changes. Although a couple of them did form their own travel team for a few years there - the coaches really WERE morons then!
Can you imagine the discussions in their home ?
There will always be parents who are only happy when their child is playing on the field. Although, a smart parent would keep their mouth closed in a situation like the one RJM describes.
What amazes me is alot of these parents have been involved with a travel ball team and even coached the teams, so they should know better. I coached for 8 years until my son made the varsity his sophmore season, then let him go as far as telling him how to play the game, THAT IS THE HIGH SCHOOL COACHES JOB. Every kid is an All Star when they are growing up, but when they have to start competing for a position, the parents don't realize Mom and Dad don't make the decisions any more. The parents have lost all concept of what the term "TEAM" truly means!!
for the last 9 yrs,we have a sent group of LL players to cooperstown dreams park. it started out to show parents and players the talent thats out there. the first year we brought a 10 yr old with us, can't really remember why.
his mom went nut's that he didn't play every moment. i had a conversation with her about team,his development etc. she wanted to take the boy and leave. i said your more than welcome to do that,but.........ask your son if he's having fun. then decide. she did, they stayed and never said a word the rest of the week.
parent goggles , aren't alway's rose colored. sometimes they need to be defogged.
his mom went nut's that he didn't play every moment. i had a conversation with her about team,his development etc. she wanted to take the boy and leave. i said your more than welcome to do that,but.........ask your son if he's having fun. then decide. she did, they stayed and never said a word the rest of the week.
parent goggles , aren't alway's rose colored. sometimes they need to be defogged.
quote:Originally posted by 55mom:
There will always be parents who are only happy when their child is playing on the field. Although, a smart parent would keep their mouth closed in a situation like the one RJM describes.
I agree with you 55mom.
This parent might as well poison her son's breakfast cereal each day because her words and actions have the same effect imho.
Getting called up late to varsity is an age-old tradition in baseball circles across the country. It is a HUGE honor and usually goes to kids who have produced at the JV level. When my son was called up late in his sophmore year to varsity, it was one of the happiest days of both of our lives. He did not get to play but the coach who called him up created a very hungry, motivated, and thankful ballplayer for the next two years. I hope people read these type of threads to see how NOT to act or think quite frankly. How do people get this scr-ewed up?
Sounds like to me that this "MOM" doesn't see the big picture. Just being considered good enough to be asked up to Varsity is pretty darn good and her son should be commended. I guess to her being a big fish in a lil' pond is better--or maybe she just missed her parent friends she talked to during her son's game.
quote:Originally posted by emeraldvlly:
That poor kid! Can you imagine having a parent like that? He's probably mortified. It sounds as if he is on the right track for next year -- if his mom would stay out of it!
I may (and hope I am) wrong but I doubt the kid is mortified that his mom is doing this. I think most kids aren't embarassed about parent behavior. In order to feel that way you have to know what's going on is wrong and these kids don't know that because they haven't been taught it.
They sit the bench, they don't like it because they want to play and then they get home and hear mom / dad / grandma / grandpa / brother / sister telling them how wrong or dumb the coach is. They hear how much better they are over so and so. That sets in for a couple of years during the little league and pre - high school years that by the time they reach their Soph or Junior year they think just like their parents. They have heard every excuse under the sun as to why they failed and now when it's time to stand up and take responsibility for their actions they can't.
As tough as it is... the real super star parents are the ones who support the team even when their son is not playing. Those types are fairly rare, but when you see one you know they have a son you would like.
BTW, this has nothing whatsoever to do with how talented the player is. We have seen the most talented kids with "great" parents. We have seen the most talented kids with parents you want to avoid. Same thing goes for lesser talented kids.
But there is something extra special about great parents of the kid who isn't playing. They stand out and get everyone's respect and the truth is... They are doing a big favor to their son.
That old saying about the apple not falling far from the tree... Well, I believe it is often true! That's why scouting the parents can be helpful.
BTW, this has nothing whatsoever to do with how talented the player is. We have seen the most talented kids with "great" parents. We have seen the most talented kids with parents you want to avoid. Same thing goes for lesser talented kids.
But there is something extra special about great parents of the kid who isn't playing. They stand out and get everyone's respect and the truth is... They are doing a big favor to their son.
That old saying about the apple not falling far from the tree... Well, I believe it is often true! That's why scouting the parents can be helpful.
quote:BTW, this has nothing whatsoever to do with how talented the player is. We have seen the most talented kids with "great" parents. We have seen the most talented kids with parents you want to avoid. Same thing goes for lesser talented kids.
For sake of discussion, I will disagree to an "extent." I believe a parent with the proper supportive attitude can add to their son's talent. Since baseball is a game of failure, the "mental" game is often just as important as the "five" tools - especially at the upper levels of the sport imho where physical differences are often very close.
Conversely, the type of parent mentioned in this thread can destroy whatever talent their son's may have been given - especially killing their chances before they might ever see their talent realized. They say Jimmy Piersol's parents caused him a nervous breakdown. I would call that an example of "detracting" from someone's talent. I am sure there are other examples - like the one mentioned in this thread imho. We might be splitting hairs here however. I am disagreeing mainly for the sake of discussion.
It sounds as if this person regards baseball as more of an extracurricular activity than a sport. And certainly doesn't understand the game.....or much of life beyond the end of her own nose.
There was a mother with my son's hs team who I had known since LL days. Although her son was a junior (so you would have thought she'd have learned something about the way hs ball works), she was apopleptic that he was not in the field when he wasn't pitching. (the kid was a good hs player, but not good enough to play in college) So I asked her who should be taken off the field so that her son could play. This simple question was a shock to her; she hadn't thought far enough to realize that her son's playing meant someone else didn't. There's a lot of that out there.
There was a mother with my son's hs team who I had known since LL days. Although her son was a junior (so you would have thought she'd have learned something about the way hs ball works), she was apopleptic that he was not in the field when he wasn't pitching. (the kid was a good hs player, but not good enough to play in college) So I asked her who should be taken off the field so that her son could play. This simple question was a shock to her; she hadn't thought far enough to realize that her son's playing meant someone else didn't. There's a lot of that out there.
I think alot of it has to do with parents who have no prior experience when it comes to HS Sports....
They don't realize the whole picture. Sure you have delusional parents as well....but that's everywhere.
They don't realize the whole picture. Sure you have delusional parents as well....but that's everywhere.
I definitely agree that parents can add strengths to their son. Personally I don't think it makes any difference how talented the son is. Some of the most asinine parents we have ever met have son's who became early round draft picks.
I'm talking about parents who can not accept that their son is anything other than the worlds greatest gift to baseball. Parents who just don't see any other player on the field. They actually don't care about any other player on the field. Surely we are not the only ones who have seen this?
I will say that many parents of the most talented players are well grounded and somewhat realistic. They conduct themselves with the same class they expect from their son. Some are loud cheerers and some are very quiet. There is no exact mold for great parents.
Then there's a few who are just plain jerks. To me… that is a red flag! Like father like son might not always be true, but it’s true often enough to cause concern. At least enough concern to investigate further. There are other traits (besides being a jerk) that can also cause concern of weakness. Superior physical talent is fairly obvious, it’s usually all the other things that separate success and failure. (Makeup) Will the head allow the body to achieve the obvious potential? Will the head allow the body to achieve far more than the actual physical talent? Parents are critical being they are normally the most involved in forming this thing called “makeup”. It’s not just a baseball thing either.
I'm talking about parents who can not accept that their son is anything other than the worlds greatest gift to baseball. Parents who just don't see any other player on the field. They actually don't care about any other player on the field. Surely we are not the only ones who have seen this?
I will say that many parents of the most talented players are well grounded and somewhat realistic. They conduct themselves with the same class they expect from their son. Some are loud cheerers and some are very quiet. There is no exact mold for great parents.
Then there's a few who are just plain jerks. To me… that is a red flag! Like father like son might not always be true, but it’s true often enough to cause concern. At least enough concern to investigate further. There are other traits (besides being a jerk) that can also cause concern of weakness. Superior physical talent is fairly obvious, it’s usually all the other things that separate success and failure. (Makeup) Will the head allow the body to achieve the obvious potential? Will the head allow the body to achieve far more than the actual physical talent? Parents are critical being they are normally the most involved in forming this thing called “makeup”. It’s not just a baseball thing either.
quote PGStaff:
Parents are critical being they are normally the most involved in forming this thing called “makeup”. It’s not just a baseball thing either.
Makeup is another word for character. Character is built by getting up after knocked down and learning from the ups and downs.
Kids don't learn much when mom and dad constantly pad the laddings with fluff and excuses.
Parents are critical being they are normally the most involved in forming this thing called “makeup”. It’s not just a baseball thing either.
Makeup is another word for character. Character is built by getting up after knocked down and learning from the ups and downs.
Kids don't learn much when mom and dad constantly pad the laddings with fluff and excuses.
I don't understand the parent described in the original post. Shouldn't the JV player just called up get a chance to sit, observe, absorb and learn before being thrown out there? It's like the Oscars -- your first time, it's an honor just to be nominated.
However, I do understand the frustration of the parent of the "pitcher only," as my son is also in that situation. Even as the kid with the most innings pitched on the team, he doesn't get to play in most of the games. Intellectually, I know it's best for the position players to get the most time on the field so they are as good as they can be. But sometimes it's tough to remind myself of that when I've watched him sit through a doubleheader and wondered about what else he could have been doing with that time... like homework.
You have to cheer on everyone, though. If they're not doing well when your kid's on the bench, they won't do well when your kid's on the mound!
LHPMom
However, I do understand the frustration of the parent of the "pitcher only," as my son is also in that situation. Even as the kid with the most innings pitched on the team, he doesn't get to play in most of the games. Intellectually, I know it's best for the position players to get the most time on the field so they are as good as they can be. But sometimes it's tough to remind myself of that when I've watched him sit through a doubleheader and wondered about what else he could have been doing with that time... like homework.
You have to cheer on everyone, though. If they're not doing well when your kid's on the bench, they won't do well when your kid's on the mound!
LHPMom
The problem with this mom isn't that her son has been "brought up" and isn't playing.
The problem with this woman is that she has a sense of entitlement across the board. She feels she should be a star parent and isn't feeling the love. She feels her son should be a star player - probably why she's happy with him being at JV where he's in the spotlight. I betcha she thinks she's superior to all her neighbors. I'm sure she probably thinks she's been wronged by employers. She probably thinks any bad grade her son gets is because of the poor teacher.
She's a princess. Everything is due to she and hers. Life is about her. Tell her to shut up, do whatever is asked of her, support her son regardless of his success or opportunities, be grateful for ANY opportunity, and cheer for his teammates. Perhaps her son will learn some positive lessons from his mother and be able to appreciate a few more things in life.
The problem with this woman is that she has a sense of entitlement across the board. She feels she should be a star parent and isn't feeling the love. She feels her son should be a star player - probably why she's happy with him being at JV where he's in the spotlight. I betcha she thinks she's superior to all her neighbors. I'm sure she probably thinks she's been wronged by employers. She probably thinks any bad grade her son gets is because of the poor teacher.
She's a princess. Everything is due to she and hers. Life is about her. Tell her to shut up, do whatever is asked of her, support her son regardless of his success or opportunities, be grateful for ANY opportunity, and cheer for his teammates. Perhaps her son will learn some positive lessons from his mother and be able to appreciate a few more things in life.
Had a parent come to the dugout and yell this is bullSh*t (we were taking her son out because he had walked 6 in a row...bottom of 1st) This kid went on to pitch at University of New Mexico haha
quote:Originally posted by lafmom:
The problem with this mom isn't that her son has been "brought up" and isn't playing.
The problem with this woman is that she has a sense of entitlement across the board. She feels she should be a star parent and isn't feeling the love. She feels her son should be a star player - probably why she's happy with him being at JV where he's in the spotlight. I betcha she thinks she's superior to all her neighbors. I'm sure she probably thinks she's been wronged by employers. She probably thinks any bad grade her son gets is because of the poor teacher.
She's a princess. Everything is due to she and hers. Life is about her. Tell her to shut up, do whatever is asked of her, support her son regardless of his success or opportunities, be grateful for ANY opportunity, and cheer for his teammates. Perhaps her son will learn some positive lessons from his mother and be able to appreciate a few more things in life.
I had not considered the psychological profile of this lady. Given that I consider myself an amateur psychologist, that is a pretty good profile imho
lafmom,
Very well said!
fillsfan,
There really has never been a complete definition of "makeup" as it pertains to baseball and scouting. To me "makeup" is simply the combination of things that can cause success or failure.
While everyone would agree that character is a very desirable thing. I have seen kids with great character, that I would grade low in makeup. Championship type makeup would have many different ingredients. You can have the very best character and lack the toughness, stubborness, confidence, courage, heart, desire, etc needed to reach the top. I see character as one ingredient of championship makeup.
BTW, this makeup thing in baseball is very difficult to evaluate accurately at times. Many mistakes have been made. However, if we are talking about the definition of the makeup of a human being... character is at the top of the list.
Very well said!
fillsfan,
There really has never been a complete definition of "makeup" as it pertains to baseball and scouting. To me "makeup" is simply the combination of things that can cause success or failure.
While everyone would agree that character is a very desirable thing. I have seen kids with great character, that I would grade low in makeup. Championship type makeup would have many different ingredients. You can have the very best character and lack the toughness, stubborness, confidence, courage, heart, desire, etc needed to reach the top. I see character as one ingredient of championship makeup.
BTW, this makeup thing in baseball is very difficult to evaluate accurately at times. Many mistakes have been made. However, if we are talking about the definition of the makeup of a human being... character is at the top of the list.
quote:Championship type makeup would have many different ingredients. You can have the very best character and lack the toughness, stubborness, confidence, courage, heart, desire, etc needed to reach the top. I see character as one ingredient of championship makeup.
That is an excellent definition. At the end of the day, scouts are looking for players that will help their organizations win. I think competitiveness is a similar word to championship makeup. Does a player who strikes out in a key situation go out in the field and mope? or does he go out and make a great defensive play to help his team win? Does he come back later in the same game and deliver a hit that helps the team win?
Does a pitcher who gives up a homerun to put his team behind just simply cash it in and hang his head? or does he compete and come back and get the next guy out? Often times, it is the ability to focus on the next play or "compete" that ultimately decides winning and losing. I do like that term championship makeup however. Good discussion here.
What's amazing to me is that parents are always portrayed as nosy busybodies sticking their noses where it doesn't belong. Excuse me, but a child is the personal responsibility of a parent until they reach the age of majority. No one knows a kid better than a parent, especially if they have been thoroughly "immersed" in the development of the player. After the practices, games, etc...the coaches go home, the parents deal with the result of the daily grind of a player's "feelings, aspirations, disappointments, injuries, training needs, etc"
It is not unkind to say that more parents make better coaches than the supposed experts, why? Because it is the parents who usually get little Johnny to a point that Johnny is even ready to be considered by the supposed expert. How do you think a parent got him there? Because a parent takes judicious time to study, read, watch, listen, and yes actively train, and participate in the development of their sons.
Take the parents out of the equation and see what coaches are left with...I venture to say the quality and quantity of available good talented, "pre-trained" ball players would shrink to levels that baseball would cease to exist.
So coaches, my advise, stop complaining about parents, they are your meat on the bone, and don't forget it.
JMO
It is not unkind to say that more parents make better coaches than the supposed experts, why? Because it is the parents who usually get little Johnny to a point that Johnny is even ready to be considered by the supposed expert. How do you think a parent got him there? Because a parent takes judicious time to study, read, watch, listen, and yes actively train, and participate in the development of their sons.
Take the parents out of the equation and see what coaches are left with...I venture to say the quality and quantity of available good talented, "pre-trained" ball players would shrink to levels that baseball would cease to exist.
So coaches, my advise, stop complaining about parents, they are your meat on the bone, and don't forget it.
JMO
BBKaze,
Why do you see this as a coach vs. parent discussion? That is a different subject IMO. BTW, part of championship makeup involves dealing with coaches. Players simply can't avoid that detail. I'll let others decide if it's in their best interest to battle coaches.
Why do you see this as a coach vs. parent discussion? That is a different subject IMO. BTW, part of championship makeup involves dealing with coaches. Players simply can't avoid that detail. I'll let others decide if it's in their best interest to battle coaches.
quote:Had a parent come to the dugout and yell this is bullSh*t (we were taking her son out because he had walked 6 in a row...bottom of 1st)
I'd be yelling too if it was my kid...you should have pulled him after the first three...
This topic of playing time and upset parents seems to come up often. Our coach is slow to pull starters and I have listened to the parents of the bench players grumble that their kids should get more playing time but it's never much more than a passing comment. Nothing like what gets described here.
So I asked my son if any of the bench players were complaining about not starting. He told me that no one on the bench was better than the players that start and they all know it.
Parents need to just shut op and cheer. Most kids know their place and role on the team. They don't need the parent telling them to be unhappy...
RJM:
WAY too much information.
WAY too much information.
I had faith in the kid(when he walked 3) then had to get someone ready in the pen...The kid had won a lot of games for me and was trying to get him to work out of it....and the lady was yelling because we were taking him out, not that he couldnt throw a strike...
So I asked my son if any of the bench players were complaining about not starting. He told me that no one on the bench was better than the players that start and they all know it.
they usually do...and the kid that walked six for me...better than the guy we brought in to pitch otherwise the bench kid would have started that district game
So I asked my son if any of the bench players were complaining about not starting. He told me that no one on the bench was better than the players that start and they all know it.
they usually do...and the kid that walked six for me...better than the guy we brought in to pitch otherwise the bench kid would have started that district game
PGStaff said: Why do you see this as a coach vs. parent discussion? That is a different subject IMO. BTW, part of championship makeup involves dealing with coaches. Players simply can't avoid that detail. I'll let others decide if it's in their best interest to battle coaches.
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This is not parent versus coach. This is about maximizing the playing time of a ball player. It is not about a coaches ego. Her son needs to play, not sit. That is the most critical thing for a young ball player. IMHO it is better for him to play at the JV level and "play" then sit and watch playoffs.
Because the parent knows what we all know...at the formative years up through high school, the most important thing to a player's development is playing time. It serves absolutely no purpose for her son to be sitting on the bench "watching" when at the JV level he would be "playing". I don't blame her for complaining.
If her son is good enough next season he will "earn" the right to play varsity and will be "playing" and not watching.
Most parents will try to have their son's play up as we did with ours, but only if they have the skills to "play" up not sit and "watch". That completely defeats the purpose of the idea of "developing". Can't develop a player properly if that player isn't actively playing.
JMO
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This is not parent versus coach. This is about maximizing the playing time of a ball player. It is not about a coaches ego. Her son needs to play, not sit. That is the most critical thing for a young ball player. IMHO it is better for him to play at the JV level and "play" then sit and watch playoffs.
Because the parent knows what we all know...at the formative years up through high school, the most important thing to a player's development is playing time. It serves absolutely no purpose for her son to be sitting on the bench "watching" when at the JV level he would be "playing". I don't blame her for complaining.
If her son is good enough next season he will "earn" the right to play varsity and will be "playing" and not watching.
Most parents will try to have their son's play up as we did with ours, but only if they have the skills to "play" up not sit and "watch". That completely defeats the purpose of the idea of "developing". Can't develop a player properly if that player isn't actively playing.
JMO
BBKaze,
Can I have a Yea But?
Reading the whole thing it sounds like she was making life miserable for the "parents" and others, not the coach. This was part of the original post.
Can I have a Yea But?
Reading the whole thing it sounds like she was making life miserable for the "parents" and others, not the coach. This was part of the original post.
quote:Finally one dad decided he had enough. He told her if she had an issue with her son being on varsity, go tell the coach. Then he added to tell the coach he wants to be on JV next year since there's no way in hell he'll be a starter with seven returning starters and three juniors on the bench waiting to start. Back at the school when the bus pulled up, she told her son out loud he didn't have to be down about the loss since he didn't play.
quote:Take the parents out of the equation and see what coaches are left with...I venture to say the quality and quantity of available good talented, "pre-trained" ball players would shrink to levels that baseball would cease to exist.
when i was a kid i learned what i know about baseball in the sandlot. i'm pretty sure most every player my age,would say the same thing.
as a parent you want your child to be the best at what they love, math,science, bb,whatever it may be. some of us help them to achieve that. but the statement you made was either a joke or you've broken your arm patting yourself on the back.
parents are the back bone of youth baseball,no question. the parent goggles do fog up from time to time. if parent coaches were that important, thry'd replace college coaches every 4 years for new parents.
quote:Originally posted by 20dad:quote:Take the parents out of the equation and see what coaches are left with...I venture to say the quality and quantity of available good talented, "pre-trained" ball players would shrink to levels that baseball would cease to exist.
when i was a kid i learned what i know about baseball in the sandlot. i'm pretty sure most every player my age,would say the same thing.
as a parent you want your child to be the best at what they love, math,science, bb,whatever it may be. some of us help them to achieve that. but the statement you made was either a joke or you've broken your arm patting yourself on the back.
parents are the back bone of youth baseball,no question. the parent goggles do fog up from time to time. if parent coaches were that important, thry'd replace college coaches every 4 years for new parents.
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After watching for many many years the progress of ballplayers migrating from level to level I would disagree with your dismissive notion that most ballplayers learn how to play BB on a sandlot. I would venture to say those who are able to compete coming off of unsupervised sandlots baseball would be less than 1%.
The LL world and other travel ball club programs now advance players in the skills well beyond what a ballplayer would be able to learn just playing recreational sandlot BB.
JMO
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
BBKaze,
Can I have a Yea But?
Reading the whole thing it sounds like she was making life miserable for the "parents" and others, not the coach. This was part of the original post.quote:Finally one dad decided he had enough. He told her if she had an issue with her son being on varsity, go tell the coach. Then he added to tell the coach he wants to be on JV next year since there's no way in hell he'll be a starter with seven returning starters and three juniors on the bench waiting to start. Back at the school when the bus pulled up, she told her son out loud he didn't have to be down about the loss since he didn't play.
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Well now you pose a mutually exclusive reaction from what she is rightfully trying to accomplish. Rather than denigrate her for her effort we should rather try to understand her frustration. Her method and style need work but she is not wrong in her "feelings" about what in her gut she knows is right for her player. She is arguing as any good coach would do on a bad call. She will lose the argument as all coaches do against the bad call from the "coach" but IMHO she is absolutely right about wanting what is best for her son.
In a way she is euphemistically saying play-him-or-trade-him. Mom's always know what's best for their kids...didn't anyone ever tell you that? Just get in between a Mom and her kid and you can have a very bad day. LOL know that one for certain, My wife and I had four of 'em.
JMO
quote:I had faith in the kid(when he walked 3) then had to get someone ready in the pen...The kid had won a lot of games for me and was trying to get him to work out of it....and the lady was yelling because we were taking him out, not that he couldnt throw a strike...
Sorry. I understood what you said...just my weak attempt at humor...
quote:So I asked my son if any of the bench players were complaining about not starting. He told me that no one on the bench was better than the players that start and they all know it.
they usually do...and the kid that walked six for me...better than the guy we brought in to pitch otherwise the bench kid would have started that district game
That's my point. The kid's know....
We once had a coaching crisis when an Asst Coach jumped up and pulled his kid in the middle of an inning because he was pitching poorly. He didn't coach anymore after that. Everyone, him included, realized that he was letting his parent side effect his coaching and he resigned and came up and sat with me in the stands for the rest of the year.
Is it better to sit the bench on a team that won a championship or to be on the field for a team that is not playing for any type of championship?
Do you live in the here and now and accept your role (whatever it may be) and be part of the team or do you always look to where YOU will be at for the next level?
Do you want to be a contributor on a highly skilled team or the highly skilled player on a lower level?
I got a nice parable but I don't have time to type it right now because we got practice. I will type it sometime tonight. It's actually pretty good way to look at things (or at least I think it is).
Do you live in the here and now and accept your role (whatever it may be) and be part of the team or do you always look to where YOU will be at for the next level?
Do you want to be a contributor on a highly skilled team or the highly skilled player on a lower level?
I got a nice parable but I don't have time to type it right now because we got practice. I will type it sometime tonight. It's actually pretty good way to look at things (or at least I think it is).
quote:Originally posted by RJM:With four games remaining in a conference championship race the player is better off helping the varsity being the first infielder off the bench (brought up due to an injury to an infielder) or a pinch runner (the kid is fast) over playing the last four JV games. Anything else would be selfish. He has a summer of reps with his summer ball team to develop.quote:That is the most critical thing for a young ball player. IMHO it is better for him to play at the JV level and "play" then sit and watch playoffs.
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Just difference in coaching method...
Had this kind of situation when I was coaching. If you are going to bring a young talented kid up from JV and he has shown you that he has the skills to compete, otherwise why would you. Then give him the job and help him to understand that if he does well at it the job is his come next season. Did that with one of my players he ended up being the MVP of the series.
JMO
quote:Originally posted by coach2709:
Is it better to sit the bench on a team that won a championship or to be on the field for a team that is not playing for any type of championship?
Do you live in the here and now and accept your role (whatever it may be) and be part of the team or do you always look to where YOU will be at for the next level?
Do you want to be a contributor on a highly skilled team or the highly skilled player on a lower level?
I got a nice parable but I don't have time to type it right now because we got practice. I will type it sometime tonight. It's actually pretty good way to look at things (or at least I think it is).
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It's not that I don't understand where you are coming from coach, it's just that your perspective is that of a coach, not a Mom. A Mom doesn't look at the larger picture, she may understand that there is a larger picture, but it is only in the context of where she sees her son fitting into that picture.
It wasn't she who moved her son up from JV to varsity, and being that the coach did to a Mom's way of thinking signifies he is confirming what she has known all along that her Johnny is better than JV and should take his rightful place in the varsity lineup.
Now as her son's first fan and mentor, she feels it is her right to argue her case as any good Mom would, or coach, when the call comes up snake-eyes.
Now JMO, but I think RJM is more into the politics of it rather than understanding the role of a Mom to her son's prospects. She may not be doing the kid any favors but she will go down trying.
I had a Mom that would go to the schooland monitor how I was doing. You know maybe we need more Mom's like that cause if you look at what the schools are turning out now it ain't a pretty picture.
JMO