Once a hitter can develop a timing mechanism to a really fast fastball, then the hitter can look offspead and explode on it. The longer a hitter can wait, even in the miliseconds, the easier it is to hit everything.
Some hitters claim to look for middle sliders and adjust all else. The logic is if they look middle, the inside pitch is 2-3 ball adjustments and the outside pitch the same. If they look slider, fastball is a little harder and change a little slower. It is also why some try to be gap-to-gap when they hit. If they miss, it's down the line.
The key to Aaron was his ability to TIME a fastball with so much movement in his swing. He is counter to so much teaching today. Dead hands, dead lower body, dead head, etc. (His head had linear movement towards the pitcher of over 20" from beginning to end of swing.)
Bonds proves most force is generated by rotational motion and not linear motion. He is one of the most efficient hitting machines of all time. Efficient with little wasted motion. Aaron rotated also but within a linear system. He had a lot of probably wasted motion, but wasted motion is also sometimes part of a timing mechanism. If you tried to adjust any hitter to be efficient, you will affect their timing and may get worse results.
look at Sheffield. talk about lots of motion. but he is clearly timing the pitcher with all the arm motion.
many youth hitting coaches have to learn when NOT to coach. if a hitter has lots of motion it may not all be bad.
many youth hitting coaches have to learn when NOT to coach. if a hitter has lots of motion it may not all be bad.
The last two posts are two of the best ever, IMO.......
One Name, Vladimir Guerrero.
Talk about movement, and adjustment.
EH
Talk about movement, and adjustment.
EH
Most MLB pitchers don't throw mid-high 90's, for those that do, most are unable to locate at such velocity and generally lack movement. Virtually every MLB hitter has the bat quickness/speed to do damage with a 98 mph heater if it's down broadway!
Guys that are low-mid 90's with location/movement ala Mariano are rare jewels! Guys that can locate mid-high 90's such as Joba Chamberlain (right now) are pretty much unhittable. On the other side of the coin, Kyle Farnsworth is a mid-high 90's guy unable to locate most times thus he gets hit like a pinata!
Bottom line, MLB hitters can handle any MLB fastball, it's the movement and location that they struggle with.
Guys that are low-mid 90's with location/movement ala Mariano are rare jewels! Guys that can locate mid-high 90's such as Joba Chamberlain (right now) are pretty much unhittable. On the other side of the coin, Kyle Farnsworth is a mid-high 90's guy unable to locate most times thus he gets hit like a pinata!
Bottom line, MLB hitters can handle any MLB fastball, it's the movement and location that they struggle with.
Kyle Farnsworth has touched triple digits… many times.
In 666 innings pitched in the major leagues he has given up 625 hits.
As a reliever for the last 7 years he has pitched 459 innings and given up 395 hits. He also has averaged a strike out an inning for his career.
He is a great example of a pitcher that is fairly straight and throws very hard, but the results don’t exactly show he is easy to hit. Less than a hit an inning is pretty hard to do in the major leagues. So is averaging a strike out an inning.
IMO he is an example both ways. It takes movement, command and more than one pitch to be among the most successful at that level. And it also shows that high 90s is not easy to hit even for major league hitters.
In 666 innings pitched in the major leagues he has given up 625 hits.
As a reliever for the last 7 years he has pitched 459 innings and given up 395 hits. He also has averaged a strike out an inning for his career.
He is a great example of a pitcher that is fairly straight and throws very hard, but the results don’t exactly show he is easy to hit. Less than a hit an inning is pretty hard to do in the major leagues. So is averaging a strike out an inning.
IMO he is an example both ways. It takes movement, command and more than one pitch to be among the most successful at that level. And it also shows that high 90s is not easy to hit even for major league hitters.
Hello PGStaff, I agree. Faster straight is harder to hit than slower straight. Faster straight is still harder to hit than slower crooked at times.
The MLB average, as you know, is a little over 1 hit per inning and is about .75 Ks per inning. If you look at the top pitchers in MLB this year, those two stats for Farnsworth are impressive.
I find hitting fastballs for a hitter is like hitting the inside pitch. They are not as good at either as they think they are.
The MLB average, as you know, is a little over 1 hit per inning and is about .75 Ks per inning. If you look at the top pitchers in MLB this year, those two stats for Farnsworth are impressive.
I find hitting fastballs for a hitter is like hitting the inside pitch. They are not as good at either as they think they are.
quote:Originally posted by baseballpapa:
Hello PGStaff, I agree. Faster straight is harder to hit than slower straight. Faster straight is still harder to hit than slower crooked at times.
The MLB average, as you know, is a little over 1 hit per inning and is about .75 Ks per inning. If you look at the top pitchers in MLB this year, those two stats for Farnsworth are impressive.
I find hitting fastballs for a hitter is like hitting the inside pitch. They are not as good at either as they think they are.
Farnsworth has a pretty good curve too, right?
He’s pretty much a two pitch guy.
1 – High velocity but fairly straight fastball with average to below average command
2 – Slider that is inconsistent with below average command
He relies on high velocity. Without that he is not in the big leagues. Having little else has kept him from being more successful. The biggest issue with high velocity guys is whether or not they get ahead in the count. Farnsworth’s biggest problem is going 2-0, 3-1 too often. When that happens to any pitcher there’s a good chance of giving up the long ball.
I haven’t seen him much this year, but it looked like his velocity was down a bit, more like 96 mph a lot rather than the 97-100+ he threw before. This is probably an attempt to improve movement and command. I have seen him throw some great hard sliders in the past but then he will hang one at times.
If he were to ever improve his command and get some more movement, bingo! You have one of the games top relievers. He has shown signs of that in the past, thus he has always been in demand. He might be one of the best examples of how important velocity, pretty much all by itself, can be.
When I hear things like so and so likes to hit fast pitching, the faster the better! I have to wonder… does this mean that hitter would be best if someone could throw 150 mph? I know that’s a stretch, but where is the point that the speed becomes too much to handle and get good results? To me it’s when speed reaches the rare area. In the major leagues, that is upper 90s to 100+. Next time you watch a game on TV, count the number of times 100+ is hit well by anyone.
Many bring up the example of the kid a few years back that became a first round pick after touching 100 mph in high school. They say he didn’t make it so that proves the point. What they don’t know is he ended up being a minor leaguer who threw 90 mph without any control. Pitchers who go 2-0, 3-1 a lot with a straight 90 mph fastball usually don’t end up being very successful in professional baseball or even college baseball.
1 – High velocity but fairly straight fastball with average to below average command
2 – Slider that is inconsistent with below average command
He relies on high velocity. Without that he is not in the big leagues. Having little else has kept him from being more successful. The biggest issue with high velocity guys is whether or not they get ahead in the count. Farnsworth’s biggest problem is going 2-0, 3-1 too often. When that happens to any pitcher there’s a good chance of giving up the long ball.
I haven’t seen him much this year, but it looked like his velocity was down a bit, more like 96 mph a lot rather than the 97-100+ he threw before. This is probably an attempt to improve movement and command. I have seen him throw some great hard sliders in the past but then he will hang one at times.
If he were to ever improve his command and get some more movement, bingo! You have one of the games top relievers. He has shown signs of that in the past, thus he has always been in demand. He might be one of the best examples of how important velocity, pretty much all by itself, can be.
When I hear things like so and so likes to hit fast pitching, the faster the better! I have to wonder… does this mean that hitter would be best if someone could throw 150 mph? I know that’s a stretch, but where is the point that the speed becomes too much to handle and get good results? To me it’s when speed reaches the rare area. In the major leagues, that is upper 90s to 100+. Next time you watch a game on TV, count the number of times 100+ is hit well by anyone.
Many bring up the example of the kid a few years back that became a first round pick after touching 100 mph in high school. They say he didn’t make it so that proves the point. What they don’t know is he ended up being a minor leaguer who threw 90 mph without any control. Pitchers who go 2-0, 3-1 a lot with a straight 90 mph fastball usually don’t end up being very successful in professional baseball or even college baseball.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by PGStaff:
He’s pretty much a two pitch guy.
1 – High velocity but fairly straight fastball with average to below average command
2 – Slider that is inconsistent with below average command
He relies on high velocity. Without that he is not in the big leagues. Having little else has kept him from being more successful. The biggest issue with high velocity guys is whether or not they get ahead in the count. Farnsworth’s biggest problem is going 2-0, 3-1 too often. When that happens to any pitcher there’s a good chance of giving up the long ball.
I haven’t seen him much this year, but it looked like his velocity was down a bit, more like 96 mph a lot rather than the 97-100+ he threw before. This is probably an attempt to improve movement and command. I have seen him throw some great hard sliders in the past but then he will hang one at times.
If he were to ever improve his command and get some more movement, bingo! You have one of the games top relievers. He has shown signs of that in the past, thus he has always been in demand. He might be one of the best examples of how important velocity, pretty much all by itself, can be.
Okay! I knew he had a big breaking pitch when he was with the Cubs, but he couldn't throw it for a strike very often. How is it that a guy can get to the pros and not have but two pitches??? How can he not have command of at least those two??? With that fastball, why has someone not tried to teach him a change-up? Is it his work ethic? Concentration level? Lack of good pitching Coaches? I would think if you pitched for a living you could get it down pretty well.
He’s pretty much a two pitch guy.
1 – High velocity but fairly straight fastball with average to below average command
2 – Slider that is inconsistent with below average command
He relies on high velocity. Without that he is not in the big leagues. Having little else has kept him from being more successful. The biggest issue with high velocity guys is whether or not they get ahead in the count. Farnsworth’s biggest problem is going 2-0, 3-1 too often. When that happens to any pitcher there’s a good chance of giving up the long ball.
I haven’t seen him much this year, but it looked like his velocity was down a bit, more like 96 mph a lot rather than the 97-100+ he threw before. This is probably an attempt to improve movement and command. I have seen him throw some great hard sliders in the past but then he will hang one at times.
If he were to ever improve his command and get some more movement, bingo! You have one of the games top relievers. He has shown signs of that in the past, thus he has always been in demand. He might be one of the best examples of how important velocity, pretty much all by itself, can be.
Okay! I knew he had a big breaking pitch when he was with the Cubs, but he couldn't throw it for a strike very often. How is it that a guy can get to the pros and not have but two pitches??? How can he not have command of at least those two??? With that fastball, why has someone not tried to teach him a change-up? Is it his work ethic? Concentration level? Lack of good pitching Coaches? I would think if you pitched for a living you could get it down pretty well.
PG 150 mph might not be too much of a stretch. I understand Travis Haefner cranks up the tennis ball machine to 140 mph and is able to stroke ball after ball ...
I didn't know that. But machines are much more accurate than people. Still, that would be fun to watch.
I heard Derek Shelton speak about it, said most guys just used that speed to work on "tracking" , not even thinking about swinging, but Haefner would just go in and rip away. I agreee with you, it would be fun to just watch ! A machine certainly would provide the confidence to stand in, but it still is flat out crazy @ 140 mph. My guess is even a tennis ball leaves a prety good mark at that speed. 
quote:Bottom line, MLB hitters can handle any MLB fastball, it's the movement and location that they struggle with.
Not much movement on a 100 MPH fastball.....You can throw it down the middle and most MLB hitters will have a very low batting average against it......This, my friend, is a fact!
The great hitters will hit it more often....And, amateurs will freeze up on it......
This is why closers are the guys who throw real fast......They're not concerned with movement, my friend.....They simply throw it by hitters.......Sit down, next hitter please!
BLUE DOG
You are so wrong---watch the top closers---every pitch they throw has movement and location
Hace you ever played the game other than on the internet?
You are so wrong---watch the top closers---every pitch they throw has movement and location
Hace you ever played the game other than on the internet?
There seems to be a certain breed of fast-tracked arms. Those with good hard fastballs and sometimes a weak second pitch.
If you throw hard enough, you can get to MLB. Your role is probably short, set up or closer. Bluedog is correct, speed is hard to hit.
Another thing, Farnsworth's numbers are not as bad as some are implying. He prove's Bluedog's point, speed overcomes what all of us agree is straight and not so good control. In other words, if he's so bad, why is he there and not going back to the minors. The answer is just good plain ole speed.
By the way, the scout that drafted the 100 mph kid who threw 90 with no control in the minor leagues told me he had to get off steroids when he got to the minors and his velo left.
If you throw hard enough, you can get to MLB. Your role is probably short, set up or closer. Bluedog is correct, speed is hard to hit.
Another thing, Farnsworth's numbers are not as bad as some are implying. He prove's Bluedog's point, speed overcomes what all of us agree is straight and not so good control. In other words, if he's so bad, why is he there and not going back to the minors. The answer is just good plain ole speed.
By the way, the scout that drafted the 100 mph kid who threw 90 with no control in the minor leagues told me he had to get off steroids when he got to the minors and his velo left.
Most guys who throw a hundred as a closer do not field their position well.
A good hitter or smart hitter would bunt something too fast to hit with a swing.
Bad or weak hitters swing at the high cheese even with two strikes.
Great hitters are low ball hitters, great pitchers are low ball pitchers.
A good hitter or smart hitter would bunt something too fast to hit with a swing.
Bad or weak hitters swing at the high cheese even with two strikes.
Great hitters are low ball hitters, great pitchers are low ball pitchers.
quote:Originally posted by Quincy:
Most guys who throw a hundred as a closer do not field their position well.
A good hitter or smart hitter would bunt something too fast to hit with a swing.
Bad or weak hitters swing at the high cheese even with two strikes.
Great hitters are low ball hitters, great pitchers are low ball pitchers.
Maybe this pertains more to the pitching forum, but the discussion was started here.
I enjoy these kind of topics when they pop up. In baseball you can always find a way to somewhat prove your point, no matter what the subject is. Others can prove their point as well. No game has more history and statistics to utilize in a debate. While it’s never fun to argue about most things, it is fun to argue about baseball.
IMO, the high velocity pitchers don’t necessarily mean the best overall pitchers, but they’re just hard to hit. This could be determined by the number of hits they actually give up and by the number of hitters they strike out. Not that strike outs is a statistic that proves the most overall value, but what better stat proves “hard to hit”? No contact, is #1 on the hard to hit chart.
When Major League hitters or any hitter claims they like fastballs, the harder the better, I don’t think they mean 100+ mph. While they might like the challenge, IMO they would always choose something slower than 100 mph.
Here are some pitchers who have thrown 100+ mph
Pitcher – innings pitched, hits, Strike outs
Billy Wagner – IP(761) H(515) SO(1005)
Jonathan Broxton – IP(160) H(131) SO(202)
Joel Zumaya – IP(105) H(74) SO(116)
Armando Benitez – IP(773) H(541) SO(937)
Bobby Jenks – IP(165) H(136) SO(179)
Randy Johnson – IP(3856) H(3065) SO(4616)
Nolan Ryan – IP(5386) H(3923) SO(5714)
There are and have been several other 100 mph pitchers, can anyone make a case for any of them actually being easy to hit? According to the “Baseball Almanac” here are some of the other pitchers who have thrown 100 mph or better. With some, you would need to look at when they did that and how they did at that time, like Eric Gagne, Robb Nen, Rob Dibble, and Mark Wohlers.
Mark Wohlers
Robb Nen
Justin Verlander
AJ Burnett
Joba Chamberlain
Rob Dibble
Kyle Farnsworth
Eric Gagne
Jose Mesa
Guillermo Mota
Josh Beckett
Daniel Cabrera
Roger Clemens
Bartolo Colon
JR Richard
CC Sabathia
Ben Sheets
Bob Feller
Granted, most of the more successful guys on the list had/have more than the 100 mph fastball, but just having the 100 mph fastball can make any other pitch harder to hit. The question… Could they have been as good or better without this rare velocity?
I do believe that if 100 mph ever became the norm in baseball, hitters would do much better against it. The MLB average velocity has gone up slowly but steadily since the radar gun has been used. MLB hitters see 91-92 mph more than any other speed and that is why those way above it and sometimes those way below it are hard to hit. None of this takes anything away from all the other things that are so important in pitching. But if velocity is not an important issue and hitters love high velocity, then most everyone in baseball has been wrong all these years and they should quit looking for power pitchers. Then we can start seriously looking for all the pitchers who don’t throw very hard. Wait! That’s covers just about everybody, don’t it? And then what do scouts do with the high school kid throwing nothing except a mid 90s fastball?
I enjoy these kind of topics when they pop up. In baseball you can always find a way to somewhat prove your point, no matter what the subject is. Others can prove their point as well. No game has more history and statistics to utilize in a debate. While it’s never fun to argue about most things, it is fun to argue about baseball.
IMO, the high velocity pitchers don’t necessarily mean the best overall pitchers, but they’re just hard to hit. This could be determined by the number of hits they actually give up and by the number of hitters they strike out. Not that strike outs is a statistic that proves the most overall value, but what better stat proves “hard to hit”? No contact, is #1 on the hard to hit chart.
When Major League hitters or any hitter claims they like fastballs, the harder the better, I don’t think they mean 100+ mph. While they might like the challenge, IMO they would always choose something slower than 100 mph.
Here are some pitchers who have thrown 100+ mph
Pitcher – innings pitched, hits, Strike outs
Billy Wagner – IP(761) H(515) SO(1005)
Jonathan Broxton – IP(160) H(131) SO(202)
Joel Zumaya – IP(105) H(74) SO(116)
Armando Benitez – IP(773) H(541) SO(937)
Bobby Jenks – IP(165) H(136) SO(179)
Randy Johnson – IP(3856) H(3065) SO(4616)
Nolan Ryan – IP(5386) H(3923) SO(5714)
There are and have been several other 100 mph pitchers, can anyone make a case for any of them actually being easy to hit? According to the “Baseball Almanac” here are some of the other pitchers who have thrown 100 mph or better. With some, you would need to look at when they did that and how they did at that time, like Eric Gagne, Robb Nen, Rob Dibble, and Mark Wohlers.
Mark Wohlers
Robb Nen
Justin Verlander
AJ Burnett
Joba Chamberlain
Rob Dibble
Kyle Farnsworth
Eric Gagne
Jose Mesa
Guillermo Mota
Josh Beckett
Daniel Cabrera
Roger Clemens
Bartolo Colon
JR Richard
CC Sabathia
Ben Sheets
Bob Feller
Granted, most of the more successful guys on the list had/have more than the 100 mph fastball, but just having the 100 mph fastball can make any other pitch harder to hit. The question… Could they have been as good or better without this rare velocity?
I do believe that if 100 mph ever became the norm in baseball, hitters would do much better against it. The MLB average velocity has gone up slowly but steadily since the radar gun has been used. MLB hitters see 91-92 mph more than any other speed and that is why those way above it and sometimes those way below it are hard to hit. None of this takes anything away from all the other things that are so important in pitching. But if velocity is not an important issue and hitters love high velocity, then most everyone in baseball has been wrong all these years and they should quit looking for power pitchers. Then we can start seriously looking for all the pitchers who don’t throw very hard. Wait! That’s covers just about everybody, don’t it? And then what do scouts do with the high school kid throwing nothing except a mid 90s fastball?
PG
Can we take this one step further-- the pitcher with "extreme cheese" also needs at least another pitch to be successful and the "cheese" had better have movement---staying with 100 MPH one pitch dimension lets the hitter catch up to them, at least in my estimation--- the 95 to 100 MPH fastball is not easy to hit but if it is the only pitch he has it will be his downfall at times
Can we take this one step further-- the pitcher with "extreme cheese" also needs at least another pitch to be successful and the "cheese" had better have movement---staying with 100 MPH one pitch dimension lets the hitter catch up to them, at least in my estimation--- the 95 to 100 MPH fastball is not easy to hit but if it is the only pitch he has it will be his downfall at times
Pitchers should be effective no matter what they throw.
The high schooler who throws mid 90's, but has success because kids swing at bad pitches, will have to expand their repetoire.
On the other hand, a high schooler who throws at the same speed who can locate his pitches will have success.
Scouts many times look at potential, not results.
The high schooler who throws mid 90's, but has success because kids swing at bad pitches, will have to expand their repetoire.
On the other hand, a high schooler who throws at the same speed who can locate his pitches will have success.
Scouts many times look at potential, not results.
TR,
I agree, but the high velocity still remains the #1 attribute. Most 100 mph guys will throw their slider in the low 90s. Guys who throw 90 or below obviously can’t do that. The only guy I can think of that has had tremendous success with “basically” one pitch is Mariano Rivera. The 100 mph would be easy to hit if it were in the same spot all the time, but it’s difficult to hit high velocity on the sweet spot on a regular basis. Though some are better at it than others. High velocity = Strike Outs. Obviously there’s more to pitching than that. If you throw it straight, it better be real hard.
Quincy,
Wild doesn’t work at any level, but you are right… the higher the level the less hitters get themselves out. The high schooler who can locate his pitches and throw mid 90s will not only have success on the mound, but he will be a millionaire.
Scouts "always" look for potential.
I agree, but the high velocity still remains the #1 attribute. Most 100 mph guys will throw their slider in the low 90s. Guys who throw 90 or below obviously can’t do that. The only guy I can think of that has had tremendous success with “basically” one pitch is Mariano Rivera. The 100 mph would be easy to hit if it were in the same spot all the time, but it’s difficult to hit high velocity on the sweet spot on a regular basis. Though some are better at it than others. High velocity = Strike Outs. Obviously there’s more to pitching than that. If you throw it straight, it better be real hard.
Quincy,
Wild doesn’t work at any level, but you are right… the higher the level the less hitters get themselves out. The high schooler who can locate his pitches and throw mid 90s will not only have success on the mound, but he will be a millionaire.
Scouts "always" look for potential.
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:
........No doubt in my mind, Bonds has.....
Oh my goodness, has the threads from the original post have many tangents.
With that said, there are a two immediate points that I would like to make here that may complete several of these threads.
1. What did the greatest of great long ball hitters (Ruth, Mantle, Mays, Williams, J. Jackson, A-Rod, Aaron, Musial, Bonds, Robinson, Hornsby, Schmidt, others....save that thread for another day) have that was the only hitting attribute and ability common among them all?
2. One key attribute to missing bats with a traveling ball is location, location, location. Another key attribute is to reduce a hitter's reaction time. With my fleeting memory of a recent conversation between pitching coaches, ardent listeners, the press and myself at at Charleston WV ball park a couple of weeks ago, at what ball velocity will the hitters reaction time be eliminated? In other words, at what point would God be able to throw a fastball by TW?
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....... news at eleven
Regards
Bear
Other notes:
a) The science of scouts seeking potential is an Art. Percentage wise, (in the 30th per centile) many fail miserably at it.) Maybe Ms. Schott (RIP) was right after all (D.T.O.M ADL)
b) The percentage of little leaguers (i.e. 12U) playing baseball at 14 y/o is near miserable (i.e. <40%!) Where should that finger be pointed?
Re Farnsworth...believe you would have a tough time finding another notable reliever that had a worse HR/IP ratio. For a guy with his velocity he gets hit hard (including his outs).
Bear
Ms. Schott was dead wrong.
quote:Other notes:
a) The science of scouts seeking potential is an Art. Percentage wise, (in the 30th per centile) many fail miserably at it.) Maybe Ms. Schott (RIP) was right after all (D.T.O.M ADL)
NYDad,
You are right about that.
But... In the “What have you done lately” department….
Farnsworth last 11 games
10.2 IP, 4 hits, 2 ERs, 3 BB, 15 SO, 1 HR
Other than one appearance where he gave up 2 hits, 1 BB, a HR and 2 ERs in .2 IP
In the other 10 appearances, he is…
10 IP, 2 hits, 0 ERs, 2 BB, 15 SO
It is real obvious with Farnsworth that control dictates his success. When he lacks command he gets behind in the count and either walks too many or gives up the long ball.
He is a great example of why some say the most important pitch in baseball is Strike One!
But he has helped the Yankees a lot in the last month as they’ve been winning.
Bottom line… The guy has a great arm and that’s the only reason he makes over 5 million a year in the Big Leagues.
You are right about that.
But... In the “What have you done lately” department….
Farnsworth last 11 games
10.2 IP, 4 hits, 2 ERs, 3 BB, 15 SO, 1 HR
Other than one appearance where he gave up 2 hits, 1 BB, a HR and 2 ERs in .2 IP
In the other 10 appearances, he is…
10 IP, 2 hits, 0 ERs, 2 BB, 15 SO
It is real obvious with Farnsworth that control dictates his success. When he lacks command he gets behind in the count and either walks too many or gives up the long ball.
He is a great example of why some say the most important pitch in baseball is Strike One!
But he has helped the Yankees a lot in the last month as they’ve been winning.
Bottom line… The guy has a great arm and that’s the only reason he makes over 5 million a year in the Big Leagues.
PG, of late he's been good (Joba factor perhaps lol) but his career HR/IP is poor.
Joba should be a starter next year. Your right, Farnsworth has given up a lot of HRs over his career.
BTW, how did a subject titled "Studying Ruth, Mantle, Aaron and the others..." on the "Hitting" forum... turn into a discussion about Kyle Farnsworth?
BTW, how did a subject titled "Studying Ruth, Mantle, Aaron and the others..." on the "Hitting" forum... turn into a discussion about Kyle Farnsworth?
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
Joba should be a starter next year. Your right, Farnsworth has given up a lot of HRs over his career.
BTW, how did a subject titled "Studying Ruth, Mantle, Aaron and the others..." on the "Hitting" forum... turn into a discussion about Kyle Farnsworth?
It's NYdad's fault! LOL
quote:Joba should be a starter next year. Your right, Farnsworth has given up a lot of HRs over his career.
BTW, how did a subject titled "Studying Ruth, Mantle, Aaron and the others..." on the "Hitting" forum... turn into a discussion about Kyle Farnsworth?
Sure is tempting to groom Joba as Mariano's
replacement but he's got an arsenal of quality pitches to keep him out of a starter role.
It's a tough call when you consider how instrumental Mariano has been to the Yanks success over the years. Thats why Joe and Brian get paid the big bucks I guess
I brought Farnsworth up in an earlier post as an example of a hard and straight guy being hit.
quote:Originally posted by deemax:
Bearquote:Other notes:
a) Maybe Ms. Schott (RIP) was right after all (D.T.O.M ADL)
Ms. Schott was dead wrong.
Wrong? It sure looks like Ms. Schott, according to business of baseball, had other issues. But she loved her dog(s). That's something.
Is there something about Scouts, in general, that you are upset about. Sure, Baseball Scouts are, as a whole, one if not thee most underecognized groups in baseball. Right next to teachers. Have you thanked a scout (teacher) today?
There is one thing to re-consider, Scouts can voice a pretty good opinion about the best of the best eating joints in America. I think I am maybe 1,994 for 2,000 in local amateur scout's recommendations for lunch counters! (And sometimes that's not a good thing....from the best of milk shakes, to the best of shaved Hawaiian ice, to the best of meat loaf and mashed potatoes, to the best of biscuits and gravy....ask a scout where to eat and you will get an opinion
Good article, Tom...Thanks... 
