laflippin, then these guys are truly gifted.
I guess every HR I hit where I thought I saw the beachball, I was imagining it?
PGJ, Look for a quick email. Not a 95mph fastball, but look at the tracking, and the eye position at impact, and just after it, in slowmo or frame by frame.
quote:It is actually pretty easy to do the neurobiology experiments that demonstrate a ~0.1 second lag time between light impinging on the retina, and the firing of correlated neurons in the visual cortex.
Sure sounds easy to me!
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
mic, Good thoughts!
I do think that last (whatever distance the ball travels to the bat) even if you could see the ball it wouldn't be much help because your swing has already been programed and can no longer adjust.
I agree with this part and that is why I think it's difficult to hit a good breaking pitch or a knuckle ball. Hitters can see the pitches breaking and that is why they adjust their swing angle and posture. They just can't adjust it fast enough.
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
More to think about...
If you drive down the hiway 90 mph (Not recommended) and you see a reflector on the side of the road or even on the road, it is easy to track right until you pass it. Why is this different (visually) than if the car was standing still and the relector was coming at it 90 mph?
It isn't any different in my opinion. This is why it's so important to hit the ball out front and to see it with both eyes. You can only track the ball to the bat if you don't have to move your head.
quote:Originally posted by OLDSLUGGER8:quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
More to think about...
If you drive down the hiway 90 mph (Not recommended) and you see a reflector on the side of the road or even on the road, it is easy to track right until you pass it. Why is this different (visually) than if the car was standing still and the relector was coming at it 90 mph?
Thats an interesting model.
On the surface, I would think you can track the relector much earlier while approaching it. You get a fix on it. The path registers earlier, and is tracked.
Waiting for it to appear coming at you seems to warrant less time to process its path?
Interesting
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quote:Originally posted by ClevelandDad:quote:You'll never see a pitcher make it through an inning of MLB baseball with a 75 mph FB, a 60 mph splitter, and a 55 mph curveball.
Jamie Moyer fits this profile
Seriously, laflippin - welcome to the hsbbweb! Your input to this topic has been most appreciated. Simply an excellent topic PG.
I like your ideas about using past templates as that makes sense to me. The one major league hitter I have ever gotten to ask questions to told me he believed good hitting was about good guessing. Why do they always say get yourself into a hitters count? So you can predict a fast ball? Theoretically a fastball should be hardest to hit but hitters operate best when they have an idea it is coming. I think hitting a baseball is so mysterious that there may be thousands of factors involved. Nobody can explain to me why A-Rod has struggled over the past three post seasons but he has. There is something in his mind holding him back imho.
IMO, a fastball is easier to hit because it stays on the same plane for the most part, so once you get your bat on the right path there is little adjustment needed.
quote:Originally posted by micmeister:
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difference between tracking something moving toward you versus you moving toward an object
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quote:Originally posted by OLDSLUGGER8:quote:Originally posted by micmeister:
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difference between tracking something moving toward you versus you moving toward an object
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If you opened your eyes 60'6" away from the object and you or it was moving 90mph, there would be no difference in tracking ability. You could test this on a roller coaster with a screen and a white dot that would come on at the precise time.
The fact that yoy are directly in front of the object makes it easier to track. You can see an F117 coming at you at Mach 1, but if you were trying to track it sideways, say between two buildings in downtown Baghdad, you would never see it.
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OldSlugger,
Yes, I absolutely agree with you that good hitters at the elite level, or any level, are truly gifted. It should never be overlooked that one of their main gifts is the desire to practice, practice, practice, and practice. All of that practice provides the experiential training that a hitter needs to see the ball well under a variety of circumstances.
I think being "in the zone" for a hitter is basically a description of his state of mind when his brain is making predictive models of baseball behavior that match up particularly well with physical reality.
When he is "out of the zone" his brain will also constantly be doing predictive modeling of new pitches based on his past experience, but "out of the zone" is when his modeling doesn't match up with the actual pitch behavior.
How can a person be in the zone for long periods of time, or get into the zone more often than others? Like vision training that can build experience in seeing and modeling specific types of events (like a pitched baseball) I imagine that there are ways of training for relaxation, training for concentrated focus on all of the little cues that help a hitter match his experiences of the past to the current pitch, and so on.
I'm not so sure what those types of training might entail, but I'm pretty sure that some of the things my kid heard when he was in Little League are not the best way:
"Hey kid, just relax up there! Just see the ball, hit the ball!" ------[Advice yelled at him while he was at the plate, trying to focus his attention on the AB]
"Throw strikes!" ----*Advice yelled at him while he was on the mound, trying to focus on throwing strikes]
"quote:laflippin, then these guys are truly gifted.
I guess every HR I hit where I thought I saw the beachball, I was imagining it?
OldSlugger,
Yes, I absolutely agree with you that good hitters at the elite level, or any level, are truly gifted. It should never be overlooked that one of their main gifts is the desire to practice, practice, practice, and practice. All of that practice provides the experiential training that a hitter needs to see the ball well under a variety of circumstances.
I think being "in the zone" for a hitter is basically a description of his state of mind when his brain is making predictive models of baseball behavior that match up particularly well with physical reality.
When he is "out of the zone" his brain will also constantly be doing predictive modeling of new pitches based on his past experience, but "out of the zone" is when his modeling doesn't match up with the actual pitch behavior.
How can a person be in the zone for long periods of time, or get into the zone more often than others? Like vision training that can build experience in seeing and modeling specific types of events (like a pitched baseball) I imagine that there are ways of training for relaxation, training for concentrated focus on all of the little cues that help a hitter match his experiences of the past to the current pitch, and so on.
I'm not so sure what those types of training might entail, but I'm pretty sure that some of the things my kid heard when he was in Little League are not the best way:
"Hey kid, just relax up there! Just see the ball, hit the ball!" ------[Advice yelled at him while he was at the plate, trying to focus his attention on the AB]
"Throw strikes!" ----*Advice yelled at him while he was on the mound, trying to focus on throwing strikes]
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
Did you know that you can "trick" your eyes into seeing things in such a way that it will improve performance in hitting as well as almost all other areas of the game?
The eyes play an important role in mental preparation. The eyes and the mind are very close partners.
We have spent a lot of time over the years with this stuff. In fact, one of our former students, regarding tricking the eyes, is playing in the game we're all watching tonight.
PG - can you elaborate how these tricks might work?
Thus far:
1) Eyes level at release
2) Relaxed jaw
3) Learn to slow the pitch down by concentration
4) Proper tracking of the ball with eyes to slow it down
5) From laflippen - practice a lot to build those mental processing images
Any other suggestions from anyone? Did I miss any?
CD,
The only thing I would add to PG's great points - is to make believe the baseball is actually a large hunk of mozzerella.
If the pitcher is throwing a spitball - visualize a hunk of mozzerella with some nice marinara sauce on it.
The only thing I would add to PG's great points - is to make believe the baseball is actually a large hunk of mozzerella.
If the pitcher is throwing a spitball - visualize a hunk of mozzerella with some nice marinara sauce on it.
CD,
I will try to elaborate, but it will have to wait until next week.
Still very interested in anything anyone can add to this discussion. I know I've already learned something from this thread that I didn't know before.
I will try to elaborate, but it will have to wait until next week.
Still very interested in anything anyone can add to this discussion. I know I've already learned something from this thread that I didn't know before.
CD,
One quickie to think about...
The players with the best "imagination" have a gigantic advantage when it comes to fooling themselves in a positive way.
One quickie to think about...
The players with the best "imagination" have a gigantic advantage when it comes to fooling themselves in a positive way.
quote:The players with the best "imagination" have a gigantic advantage when it comes to fooling themselves in a positive way.
-----PG, That is just great wisdom. It sounds so simple, but that remark really captures something important. A very good coach--one of my son's most trusted mentors--told us, "The best players are constantly writing a kind of movie script in their minds, and their scripts always portray themselves performing at the top of their game--the execution of your goals should always be perfectly flawless in your mental script".
Just read the whole thing... great stuff, thanks to all. As far as the "looking bigger" thing maybe some scientific mind could correlate this example. The moon certainly looks much larger to me when it is near the horizon. Knowing full well it is the same moon at the same relative distance whether high in the sky or nearer the horizon perhaps this same perception is used by hitters unknowingly. Is it possible just the right mix of relaxation and focus creates the illusion of the larger ball?
quote:Originally posted by laflippin:quote:The players with the best "imagination" have a gigantic advantage when it comes to fooling themselves in a positive way.
-----PG, That is just great wisdom. It sounds so simple, but that remark really captures something important. A very good coach--one of my son's most trusted mentors--told us, "The best players are constantly writing a kind of movie script in their minds, and their scripts always portray themselves performing at the top of their game--the execution of your goals should always be perfectly flawless in your mental script".
WOW, THAT IS SCARY! I JUST TOLD MY DAUGHTER'S SOFTBALL TEAM THIS EXACT THING!
Yankeelvr,
I thought that was an interesting idea, but the analogy between the baseball "looking bigger" when a hitter is in the zone and the moon looking bigger near the horizon than when it's overhead is somewhat flawed in my opinion.
The moon looks bigger near the horizon because you are actually viewing it through a larger section of the Earth's atmosphere than when it's overhead and you look straight up. The dust and water vapor in the atmosphere diffuse the light that you see reflected from the moon's surface so...the more atmosphere you look through, the larger (and slightly blurrier) the moon will look to you.
Thus, it's not a psychological phenomenon like a hitter being 'in the zone'.
On the other hand, when you're newly in love the way you view the moon probably does have some profound pyschological aspects. When a hitter is newly in love, it is probably more difficult for him to see the baseball well...like Dean Martin sang, "When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's amore..."
Okay, I'd better stop immediately.
I thought that was an interesting idea, but the analogy between the baseball "looking bigger" when a hitter is in the zone and the moon looking bigger near the horizon than when it's overhead is somewhat flawed in my opinion.
The moon looks bigger near the horizon because you are actually viewing it through a larger section of the Earth's atmosphere than when it's overhead and you look straight up. The dust and water vapor in the atmosphere diffuse the light that you see reflected from the moon's surface so...the more atmosphere you look through, the larger (and slightly blurrier) the moon will look to you.
Thus, it's not a psychological phenomenon like a hitter being 'in the zone'.
On the other hand, when you're newly in love the way you view the moon probably does have some profound pyschological aspects. When a hitter is newly in love, it is probably more difficult for him to see the baseball well...like Dean Martin sang, "When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's amore..."
Okay, I'd better stop immediately.
CoachB25,
I learned another interesting thing from my kiddo's pitching coach--in his opinion, video is the most useful and valuable for athletes when it only shows them executing correctly.
Coaches definitely need to watch video of their athletes with all of the warts, bruises, and downright ugly stuff in it so they can individualize their instruction and come up with a plan to help their athletes correct flaws.
But, this same pitching coach told me in his opinion that athletes eventually come to subconciously think of themselves as intrinsically flawed performers if they absorb too much video imagery of themselves screwing up--even if the intent was well-meant to show the athlete what he needs to correct.
I learned another interesting thing from my kiddo's pitching coach--in his opinion, video is the most useful and valuable for athletes when it only shows them executing correctly.
Coaches definitely need to watch video of their athletes with all of the warts, bruises, and downright ugly stuff in it so they can individualize their instruction and come up with a plan to help their athletes correct flaws.
But, this same pitching coach told me in his opinion that athletes eventually come to subconciously think of themselves as intrinsically flawed performers if they absorb too much video imagery of themselves screwing up--even if the intent was well-meant to show the athlete what he needs to correct.
laflipin, interesting! I remember one professor constantly stating, "You are who you are due to the dominating thoughts in your head."
quote:......athletes eventually come to subconciously think of themselves as intrinsically flawed performers if they absorb too much video imagery of themselves screwing up--even if the intent was well-meant to show the athlete what he needs to correct.
I've found this to be true.......You do stand the chance of the player shutting down to your instruction.....They will quit listening.......Keep the video to yourself and possibly their parents.......And, only if their parents can handle it well.....
quote:Originally posted by laflippin:
Yankeelvr,
I thought that was an interesting idea, but the analogy between the baseball "looking bigger" when a hitter is in the zone and the moon looking bigger near the horizon than when it's overhead is somewhat flawed in my opinion.
The moon looks bigger near the horizon because you are actually viewing it through a larger section of the Earth's atmosphere than when it's overhead and you look straight up. The dust and water vapor in the atmosphere diffuse the light that you see reflected from the moon's surface so...the more atmosphere you look through, the larger (and slightly blurrier) the moon will look to you.
Thus, it's not a psychological phenomenon like a hitter being 'in the zone'.
Flip, Perhaps the real difference lies in having an additional point of reference (the horizon) in our "ambient" vision giving a different point of reference as opposed to simply viewing the object "in space" with no other reference point. Is it possible the proper relaxation of vision and re-focusing techniques allow the best hitters to gain this sort of advantage? Could the "hitters screen" or the OF fence serve as the hitters "horizon"?
quote:Is it possible the proper relaxation of vision and re-focusing techniques allow the best hitters to gain this sort of advantage? Could the "hitters screen" or the OF fence serve as the hitters "horizon"?
-----That seems very insightful to me, Yankeelver. There is some literature that suggests hitters rely heavily on stationary cues for judging movement of the ball during the early part of its flight.
As speculation, you could imagine that being 'in the zone' might have a relationship to a hitter's ability to relax, focus, and use those cues optimally. Since baseball teams obviously play in different venues a lot, the ability of a hitter to stay in the zone might often be affected by the abrupt changes in appearance of his favorite stationary cues from ballpark to ballpark. Maybe that's a small part of the homefield advantage.
Wonderful thread!
This is something I have been interested in for years.
I don't think it has been mentioned here yet, but the eyes have many muscles that control vision (I will elaberate later) these eye muscles manipulate the lense to attain focus perception and fergence.
The interesting thing is the eye muscles are like other muscles in the body and can be made stronger and faster through exercise. (I read once that The Air Force has the most high tech vision training facility in the world)
A couple years ago I had a discussion with a doctor in Ca. regarding baseball vision. One thing the docter mentioned was training your eyes to see reality in space and time. In other words, what your eyes may perceive the baseball in space and time may not be real. If your eyes are missing reality even by a fraction of an inch, your hitting results would be dramaticly effected (negatively over time). If you are not seeing where the ball actually is in space and time you will make physical adjustments to hit the ball. The problem is.. as you make these physical adjustments the ball movements are constantly and infinatly changing with different pitchers and the physical adjustments can't keep up.
Do your hitters know which eye is dominate?
Point your finger at an object about 20-30 ft away.
Cover each eye once. The finger will move when you cover one of your eyes, the other eye is dominate.
For a RH hitter, if his right eye is dominate, the hitters head needs to be turned enough so that the bridge of his nose does not interfear with vision of the ball.
This is something I have been interested in for years.
I don't think it has been mentioned here yet, but the eyes have many muscles that control vision (I will elaberate later) these eye muscles manipulate the lense to attain focus perception and fergence.
The interesting thing is the eye muscles are like other muscles in the body and can be made stronger and faster through exercise. (I read once that The Air Force has the most high tech vision training facility in the world)
A couple years ago I had a discussion with a doctor in Ca. regarding baseball vision. One thing the docter mentioned was training your eyes to see reality in space and time. In other words, what your eyes may perceive the baseball in space and time may not be real. If your eyes are missing reality even by a fraction of an inch, your hitting results would be dramaticly effected (negatively over time). If you are not seeing where the ball actually is in space and time you will make physical adjustments to hit the ball. The problem is.. as you make these physical adjustments the ball movements are constantly and infinatly changing with different pitchers and the physical adjustments can't keep up.
Do your hitters know which eye is dominate?
Point your finger at an object about 20-30 ft away.
Cover each eye once. The finger will move when you cover one of your eyes, the other eye is dominate.
For a RH hitter, if his right eye is dominate, the hitters head needs to be turned enough so that the bridge of his nose does not interfear with vision of the ball.
My son is in the minors and during practices they have vision work that they do on the computer. Sort of a game that tests and improves hand eye coordination. I don't have much information except one of the exercises is to improve recognizing a change up.
So maybe all those video games the kids play really is helping their baseball
So maybe all those video games the kids play really is helping their baseball
I don't know if this is what the team uses but it looks interesting www.baseballeyesite.com/
quote:Do your hitters know which eye is dominate?
Why would this matter?
After all, both eyes need to be looking at the ball....
Bluedog, I was told by a sports vision guy several years ago that your dominate eye needs to see the ball, therfore, if you are at the plate, and your rear eye is dominant than your head needs to be turned enough to see the ball.
Having said that, I am not sure if this is true after speaking with this eye doctor. The doc explained that seeing the ball correctly in space and time is the most important. However, an overly dominate eye, or one eye with weaker muscles than the other will cause an imbalance in vision and you will not see the ball where it REALLY is. If one eye has the ability to track better than the other.. as the ball approaches the hitting zone the imbalance takes its effect. Let me give more detail... In the first 40 feet of travel you are seeing the ball coming at you, there is not a lot of movement to track, only speed and general location (or ball rotation). When the ball is aprox 20 feet from you, your eyes begin to track specific, as the ball approaches the hitting zone your eyes need to track the ball in exact space and time. The ball is no longer coming at you, it is starting to pass you, this is the critical area of judgement for where the ball actually is, as well as its trajectory of movement.
There was a racecar analogy earlier in the thread, if you are sitting at the side of the track, a car can approach you at 200 mph and no problem seeing the number on the car, but as it passes you, very difficult to track. A baseball is the same, however the most difficult area to track the ball is the most critical to a hitter.
What I mention above, is only one part of the puzzle. As discussed previously in this thread there are concentration issues, confidence, when/where you begin focus etc.. I personally think direct vision and vision related things are what separate the great hitters from everyone else.
What is interesting is your vision can be improved through training.
And no, I have nothing to sell, wish I did.
Having said that, I am not sure if this is true after speaking with this eye doctor. The doc explained that seeing the ball correctly in space and time is the most important. However, an overly dominate eye, or one eye with weaker muscles than the other will cause an imbalance in vision and you will not see the ball where it REALLY is. If one eye has the ability to track better than the other.. as the ball approaches the hitting zone the imbalance takes its effect. Let me give more detail... In the first 40 feet of travel you are seeing the ball coming at you, there is not a lot of movement to track, only speed and general location (or ball rotation). When the ball is aprox 20 feet from you, your eyes begin to track specific, as the ball approaches the hitting zone your eyes need to track the ball in exact space and time. The ball is no longer coming at you, it is starting to pass you, this is the critical area of judgement for where the ball actually is, as well as its trajectory of movement.
There was a racecar analogy earlier in the thread, if you are sitting at the side of the track, a car can approach you at 200 mph and no problem seeing the number on the car, but as it passes you, very difficult to track. A baseball is the same, however the most difficult area to track the ball is the most critical to a hitter.
What I mention above, is only one part of the puzzle. As discussed previously in this thread there are concentration issues, confidence, when/where you begin focus etc.. I personally think direct vision and vision related things are what separate the great hitters from everyone else.
What is interesting is your vision can be improved through training.
And no, I have nothing to sell, wish I did.
A hitter isn't looking at a ball passing by him.....
And, I don't think he looks directly at the ball........I know I don't when I'm hitting.......
Ambient vision, which includes peripheral vision, is what hitters use......This gives a background by which to judge distance and speed....Looking directly at the ball doesn't do this and distorts the information the brain needs......
And, I don't think he looks directly at the ball........I know I don't when I'm hitting.......
Ambient vision, which includes peripheral vision, is what hitters use......This gives a background by which to judge distance and speed....Looking directly at the ball doesn't do this and distorts the information the brain needs......
pg you have a pm.
TripleDad,
Hitters can't see what the ball is really doing. What is important is making the best adjustment to what they think they are seeing. Curve balls illustrate this very well. If you see a 12-6 curve from behind the plate it looks like it is dropping very sharply and almost all at the end. The same curve viewed from the dugout has a much more gradual break and that is what is really happening. The key is for the batter to be able to take the "wrong" interpretation of how the ball is moving and find a way to select the right contact point.
The reason this happens is that since hitters can't track the ball all the way from release to contact they learn to make an estimate of where the ball is going to be based on release then they shift ahead to pick up the ball much closer to them. You'll see almost all hitters make a tiny turn of their head back toward the plate during their swing. That's an involuntary head movement in response to the rapid shifting of the eyes toward the estimated ball location closer to the hitter. If the ball is where they expected it to be the brain fills in what they didn't really see as dead straight. If the ball is in a different location then the brain interprets it as movement in that direction. For example, a fastball that drops less than expected is seen to be a "rising" fastball by a hitter and a curve is seen to be breaking much more sharply than it really is. That is also why left handers are perceived to have more movement than right handers. Hitters brains become wired to expect the tail on a typical right hander's pitch and when it does tail a bit it is where they expected it and it looks dead straight. Their brains expect the same tail into them from a left hander and when the ball tails the other way the brain interprets it as twice as much movement as there really is.
Perhaps Manny with his vision training comes a bit closer than other players to seeing what is really happening and has to make less of an adjustment.
Hitters can't see what the ball is really doing. What is important is making the best adjustment to what they think they are seeing. Curve balls illustrate this very well. If you see a 12-6 curve from behind the plate it looks like it is dropping very sharply and almost all at the end. The same curve viewed from the dugout has a much more gradual break and that is what is really happening. The key is for the batter to be able to take the "wrong" interpretation of how the ball is moving and find a way to select the right contact point.
The reason this happens is that since hitters can't track the ball all the way from release to contact they learn to make an estimate of where the ball is going to be based on release then they shift ahead to pick up the ball much closer to them. You'll see almost all hitters make a tiny turn of their head back toward the plate during their swing. That's an involuntary head movement in response to the rapid shifting of the eyes toward the estimated ball location closer to the hitter. If the ball is where they expected it to be the brain fills in what they didn't really see as dead straight. If the ball is in a different location then the brain interprets it as movement in that direction. For example, a fastball that drops less than expected is seen to be a "rising" fastball by a hitter and a curve is seen to be breaking much more sharply than it really is. That is also why left handers are perceived to have more movement than right handers. Hitters brains become wired to expect the tail on a typical right hander's pitch and when it does tail a bit it is where they expected it and it looks dead straight. Their brains expect the same tail into them from a left hander and when the ball tails the other way the brain interprets it as twice as much movement as there really is.
Perhaps Manny with his vision training comes a bit closer than other players to seeing what is really happening and has to make less of an adjustment.
quote:Perhaps Manny with his vision training comes a bit closer than other players to seeing what is really happening and has to make less of an adjustment.
CaDad, this is my whole point. your eyes can be trained to see better what actually is. To what degree, I don't know. But the eye muscles can be worked out just like other muscles to be faster and stronger.
Now, processing what you see is another subject.
An experiment…
Stand in a cage either against a live pitcher or a pitching machine and track baseballs.
First try to keep you sight just slightly ahead of the ball, trying to slightly beat the ball with your eyes. (you will still see the ball clearly)
Try to see the ball right through the hitting zone (whether you actually can or not)
Do this several times until you feel you are actually “seeing” the ball better and longer.
Then do anything other than the above and see how well and how long you can see the ball.
The point is, to attempt to see the ball the best possible way and for the longest possible time. The reason this is important is because then you will be seeing the ball to the point of maximum benefit. We all know there is a time when actually seeing the ball becomes somewhat irrelevant. (Too late to change the swing) However, seeing the ball correctly to whatever that exact time would be is vitally important and beneficial. IMO A hitter can not know he’s seeing the ball at that point without attempting to see it beyond that point. Not sure if this makes sense to anyone. But I’m sticking with it!
Stand in a cage either against a live pitcher or a pitching machine and track baseballs.
First try to keep you sight just slightly ahead of the ball, trying to slightly beat the ball with your eyes. (you will still see the ball clearly)
Try to see the ball right through the hitting zone (whether you actually can or not)
Do this several times until you feel you are actually “seeing” the ball better and longer.
Then do anything other than the above and see how well and how long you can see the ball.
The point is, to attempt to see the ball the best possible way and for the longest possible time. The reason this is important is because then you will be seeing the ball to the point of maximum benefit. We all know there is a time when actually seeing the ball becomes somewhat irrelevant. (Too late to change the swing) However, seeing the ball correctly to whatever that exact time would be is vitally important and beneficial. IMO A hitter can not know he’s seeing the ball at that point without attempting to see it beyond that point. Not sure if this makes sense to anyone. But I’m sticking with it!
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
Did you know that you can "trick" your eyes into seeing things in such a way that it will improve performance in hitting as well as almost all other areas of the game?
The eyes play an important role in mental preparation. The eyes and the mind are very close partners.
We have spent a lot of time over the years with this stuff. In fact, one of our former students, regarding tricking the eyes, is playing in the game we're all watching tonight.
PG - is the post above this one the tricks you were speaking of? If not, would love to hear them
My son has been experimenting with Visual Edge software. Anyone else have experience with that product?
PG,
The studies that determined the info I gave above also showed that MLB hitters were able to track the ball closer to the plate than college hitters. It was well past the point where it could make a difference in the swing but being able to track the ball closer to the plate made for an advantage.
The studies that determined the info I gave above also showed that MLB hitters were able to track the ball closer to the plate than college hitters. It was well past the point where it could make a difference in the swing but being able to track the ball closer to the plate made for an advantage.
CADad,
In a way it kind of proves that practicing vision can be a big advantage. After all the Major League hitters have a big advantage in that they see major league pitching every day. Only Major League hitters have this advantage. Whether they think about it or not they are getting the most high level vision practice possible in baseball.
The more you see something the better you see it. Think about that for awhile.
In a way it kind of proves that practicing vision can be a big advantage. After all the Major League hitters have a big advantage in that they see major league pitching every day. Only Major League hitters have this advantage. Whether they think about it or not they are getting the most high level vision practice possible in baseball.
The more you see something the better you see it. Think about that for awhile.
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
CADad,
In a way it kind of proves that practicing vision can be a big advantage. After all the Major League hitters have a big advantage in that they see major league pitching every day. Only Major League hitters have this advantage. Whether they think about it or not they are getting the most high level vision practice possible in baseball.
The more you see something the better you see it. Think about that for awhile.
There is truth in that statement for vision as well as brain reaction time, body reaction time and visualization skills. That is why fighter pilots use simulators (to train their brain and eyes). Go in the cage and take a dozen balls at 90mph, then take a few dozen balls at 100mph and then 5 or 6 at 90mph. The ball at 90mph seems much slower than it did before.
