Everyone that has played with Tebow says he is a fierce competitor. A warrior. A guy driven to win like no one else they know. He may be a nice guy off the field. He may say all the right things off the field in public. He may do a lot for orphans overseas. But when he steps on the field he leaves it all on the field. If anyone thinks for one second UF would have had that success they had while he was there with another QB they are crazy. His intangibles are what he is about. He skill set was very good for the college game. Needs a lot of work for the pro game imo. But the intangibles he brings to the table are off the charts imo. Quite simply the guy is a winner.
quote:Quite simply the guy is a winner.
And it rubs off on his teammates at every level he's ever played. That's leadership.
quote:Originally posted by Innocent Bystander:
Here's an idea,
How about anyone that doesn't like Tebow or doesn't want to talk about him just stay off the Tebow thread!
Seems simple enough to me...
Such a simple common sense idea, yet it is lost on far too many people who haven't a clue.
Tebow also played basketball and baseball in high school. He obviously was well above average at those sports as well.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/...at-Nease-High-School
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/...at-Nease-High-School
Nice stroke Dad04!
Innocent bystander, here is a baseball twist..he is also in the PG database! You're right about OF and power part. Wonder what was his scouting report?
Tim Tebow PG Profile
Innocent bystander, here is a baseball twist..he is also in the PG database! You're right about OF and power part. Wonder what was his scouting report?
Tim Tebow PG Profile
I heard Tebow has his own wine label. He doesn't even have a vineyard. He just turns water into wine.
A pro athlete who was good at a second sport in high school! That's never happened before!
A pro athlete who was good at a second sport in high school! That's never happened before!
RJ...the question was asked. I answered. It is certainly not unusual. I'd be shocked if he couldn't jog 30 feet and dribble a basketball.
Great article by Rick Reilly on Tebow as a person.
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/.../believing-tim-tebow
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/.../believing-tim-tebow
quote:Originally posted by RJM:
I heard Tebow has his own wine label. He doesn't even have a vineyard. He just turns water into wine.
A pro athlete who was good at a second sport in high school! That's never happened before!
One thing about Tebow, he sure brings out people's true feelings more then anyone I can think of.
quote:I have to admit, I was thinking about Jesus in the second half but it was more along the lines of "Jesus Christ, he's going to pull this off!" He's a heck of an athlete and is killing himself trying to be a good person. He's not the best QB in the league (yet), but he is a pretty darn good athlete who may turn into one of the best. He sure is fun to watch compete...
Now thats funny. I think we have all been thinking that most of the season.
quote:Originally posted by Skidog:
Great article by Rick Reilly on Tebow as a person.
http://espn.go.com/espn/story/.../believing-tim-tebow
How can you read that without shedding a tear and then not realize how unworthy most of the rest of us are?
I heard something yesterday on sports talk radio, good perspective (my opinion anyway). God doesn't cause things to happen, people do and other people want to be around those that make things happen.
He predicted Tebow will remain QB next year, and that come free agency time, all those misguided players who need to improve upon their lives will have their agents knocking on the Broncos door.
He predicted Tebow will remain QB next year, and that come free agency time, all those misguided players who need to improve upon their lives will have their agents knocking on the Broncos door.
quote:Originally posted by Skidog:
Great article by Rick Reilly...
Having difficulty deciding if this is an oxymoron or a non-sequitur.
quote:Originally posted by Jimmy03:quote:Originally posted by Skidog:
Great article by Rick Reilly...
Having difficulty deciding if this is an oxymoron or a non-sequitur.
What, are you saying Rick Reilly hasn't justifiably earned his sports writing accolades?
ESPN did a good retrospective in 2005 on the high school years and college recruiting of Tebow.
Don't watch if you don't want to see Tim ministering to orphans, play on a broken tibia or working like a maniac.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLUXfCA98XM
Don't watch if you don't want to see Tim ministering to orphans, play on a broken tibia or working like a maniac.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLUXfCA98XM
From the Book of Champions: God gave us Tom Brady and it was good. Brady stretched forth his arm, took to the pass and slayed the Broncos. And on the seventh day the Patriots rested.
Now if God would only return the defense they had before key players got old.
Now if God would only return the defense they had before key players got old.
RJM - why are you so antagonistic towards the Christian faith?
It seems like every time I look at one of your posts you are mocking the Christian faith. Sometimes subtly and at other times very directly.
You appear to have no respect or tolerance for religions other than your own. You also seem to enjoy the reactions from some of the devout Christians we have on this board.
(I am not one of those people - but I sure as heck cant miss seeing what you are doing)
You certainly have the right to do so - but IMO - it is very unbecoming.
My recommendation to you would be to start a seperate topic and state clearly that you think Christians suck. Get it off your chest and then be done with it?
Who knows - you may even feel better after you do that.
Peace brother.
It seems like every time I look at one of your posts you are mocking the Christian faith. Sometimes subtly and at other times very directly.
You appear to have no respect or tolerance for religions other than your own. You also seem to enjoy the reactions from some of the devout Christians we have on this board.
(I am not one of those people - but I sure as heck cant miss seeing what you are doing)
You certainly have the right to do so - but IMO - it is very unbecoming.
My recommendation to you would be to start a seperate topic and state clearly that you think Christians suck. Get it off your chest and then be done with it?
Who knows - you may even feel better after you do that.
Peace brother.
The scripture is very sacred to me. I am a devout Christian. I love the Lord. My goal each day is to try my best with his help to walk that day as he would have me walk. He is the Love of my life and my rock. I understand others do not believe as I do. I understand that some people simply dont understand or agree with what I believe in.
I think it will best for me to avoid these type of threads because it really bothers me to see the Lords scripture "inspired word of God" mocked.
I post this because I want everyone to know that I "trust in Jesus" I "love the Lord" and I strive to be his "humble servant"
And I will not apologize for it or be ashamed of it - He is my King.
And Gamer you will always be one of my dearest friends. I pray for your boys and your family frequently. Your simply a wonderful honest person. Good day all.
I think it will best for me to avoid these type of threads because it really bothers me to see the Lords scripture "inspired word of God" mocked.
I post this because I want everyone to know that I "trust in Jesus" I "love the Lord" and I strive to be his "humble servant"
And I will not apologize for it or be ashamed of it - He is my King.
And Gamer you will always be one of my dearest friends. I pray for your boys and your family frequently. Your simply a wonderful honest person. Good day all.
Coach,
I feel exactly the same way about you.
Let me add this - I have been around this great site for a long time.
From Bob H to Julie - from Fungo to CD. PG, TPM, Prepster, Justbaseall, TRHit, bbscout, Krakatoa, Woody and on and on and on.
Despite massive disagreements - despite heated personal arguments - one thing I will say about all of these people and many many more unnamed - is that I have alot of respect for each and every one of them.
They give of themselves without denigrating others.
They share their experiences and perspectives on things.
They make their points - they argue - but they do it in a way that makes it fun - informative - and interesting.
Over time - it is very easy to spot. Just like it is easy to spot religious intolerance.
I am not fond of religious intolerance - many members of my family died on the battlefield to protect our freedom of expression and freedom of religion. I also am not fond of mocking other peoples religions. I don't think it is funny at all and I do think it is very disrespectful.
And I will never just stand by - watch and listen to it - and say or do nothing. Ever.
Again - just my opinion.
I feel exactly the same way about you.
Let me add this - I have been around this great site for a long time.
From Bob H to Julie - from Fungo to CD. PG, TPM, Prepster, Justbaseall, TRHit, bbscout, Krakatoa, Woody and on and on and on.
Despite massive disagreements - despite heated personal arguments - one thing I will say about all of these people and many many more unnamed - is that I have alot of respect for each and every one of them.
They give of themselves without denigrating others.
They share their experiences and perspectives on things.
They make their points - they argue - but they do it in a way that makes it fun - informative - and interesting.
Over time - it is very easy to spot. Just like it is easy to spot religious intolerance.
I am not fond of religious intolerance - many members of my family died on the battlefield to protect our freedom of expression and freedom of religion. I also am not fond of mocking other peoples religions. I don't think it is funny at all and I do think it is very disrespectful.
And I will never just stand by - watch and listen to it - and say or do nothing. Ever.
Again - just my opinion.
If you believe I've mocked Christianity and am religiously intolerant you have been very selective in reading my posts. I don't want to do a rerun on my points. It's up to you if you choose to return and reread my posts from the beginning including the previous thread.quote:Originally posted by itsinthegame:
RJM - why are you so antagonistic towards the Christian faith?
It seems like every time I look at one of your posts you are mocking the Christian faith. Sometimes subtly and at other times very directly.
You appear to have no respect or tolerance for religions other than your own. You also seem to enjoy the reactions from some of the devout Christians we have on this board.
(I am not one of those people - but I sure as heck cant miss seeing what you are doing)
You certainly have the right to do so - but IMO - it is very unbecoming.
My recommendation to you would be to start a seperate topic and state clearly that you think Christians suck. Get it off your chest and then be done with it?
Who knows - you may even feel better after you do that.
Peace brother.
My play on words is from the Old Testament. How can you say I'm mocking Christianity?
I hate Christians? My father is a Christian. I married one. My kids are Christians. Obviously from playing three sports in high school and one in college plus a business career I've spent plenty of time around Christians. Besides, one of the word's smallest books is "Jews I Met On the Gridiron." I was the only one on my high school roster.
"humble service"
That's two words to live by, whatever your beliefs, and if everyone did, a lot of problems disappear.
That's two words to live by, whatever your beliefs, and if everyone did, a lot of problems disappear.
What I find interesting about the whole Tebow controversy is how so many people seem vested in him failing.
Why?
When I look at him I see a young QB who lacks some of the skills that the archetypical elite QB's have, but has found a way to succeed so far by determination, grit, and maximizing the impact of the skills he has.
If he were a baseball player, wouldn't we all love the story?
But just because this young man is unusually demonstrative in his Christianity, all of a sudden people want to see him fail.
I am rooting for him. Not for a reason having anything to do with his religion. I root for him because his is a great story, and I love the fact that he finds ways to win.
In my view, he is a winner. Hard to teach that.
Why?
When I look at him I see a young QB who lacks some of the skills that the archetypical elite QB's have, but has found a way to succeed so far by determination, grit, and maximizing the impact of the skills he has.
If he were a baseball player, wouldn't we all love the story?
But just because this young man is unusually demonstrative in his Christianity, all of a sudden people want to see him fail.
I am rooting for him. Not for a reason having anything to do with his religion. I root for him because his is a great story, and I love the fact that he finds ways to win.
In my view, he is a winner. Hard to teach that.
RJM,
Thanks for letting me know what I can and cant do. Believe it or not - I do know what I can and cant do. And I do read every word - so my "selectivity" during the reading comprehension process is not something I would agree with you on.
Like I said - my perception of you is that you are a religiously intolerant person - who enjoys mocking the Christian faith and those who follow and express their beliefs.
My guess is you arent too fond of Buddhism, the Muslim religion or any other religion for that matter - unless it is your religion.
And that is OK too. That is your right - and we live in America - which I think is really a cool place to be.
Again - I just think it is unbecoming and puts you in a very bad light.
Thanks for letting me know what I can and cant do. Believe it or not - I do know what I can and cant do. And I do read every word - so my "selectivity" during the reading comprehension process is not something I would agree with you on.
Like I said - my perception of you is that you are a religiously intolerant person - who enjoys mocking the Christian faith and those who follow and express their beliefs.
My guess is you arent too fond of Buddhism, the Muslim religion or any other religion for that matter - unless it is your religion.
And that is OK too. That is your right - and we live in America - which I think is really a cool place to be.
Again - I just think it is unbecoming and puts you in a very bad light.
quote:From the Book of Champions: God gave us Tom Brady and it was good. Brady stretched forth his arm, took to the pass and slayed the Broncos. And on the seventh day the Patriots rested.
This is mocking and mean spirited too.
My son asked me the other day if in my lifetime I could recall such a positive person who was simply hated so much by some and I couldn't come up with a comparison to Tebows situation. Very very strange and unlike the example used in another thread, I truly find this situation to be an example of "something wrong in America."
quote:Originally posted by Rob Kremer:
What I find interesting about the whole Tebow controversy is how so many people seem vested in him failing.
Why?
When I look at him I see a young QB who lacks some of the skills that the archetypical elite QB's have, but has found a way to succeed so far by determination, grit, and maximizing the impact of the skills he has.
If he were a baseball player, wouldn't we all love the story?
But just because this young man is unusually demonstrative in his Christianity, all of a sudden people want to see him fail.
I am rooting for him. Not for a reason having anything to do with his religion. I root for him because his is a great story, and I love the fact that he finds ways to win.
In my view, he is a winner. Hard to teach that.
Rob - the irony of it - actually the stupidity of it - can be illustrated by a recent and simple example.
2 days ago - Charles Barkley - a beacon of morality LOL - cane out and said that Tim Tebow was a "national nightmare".
Now - lets go to the facts.
Charles Barkley - just a sampling - is:
1) A serial DUI guy - you are more likely to get killed by him driving drunk that you are Tim Tebow.
2) A deadbeat gambler. Currently - law enforcement is pursuing him for a 400K gambling debt he ran out on.
Like I said - just a very small sampling form the Barkely chronicles.
But Tebow is a "national nightmare"
Someone should ask Mr Barkeley if the following people are also "national nightmares"
1) Michael Vick - gangster - dog torturer and dog murderer - who really enjoyed it.
2) Sam Hurd - bye bye Sam - its prison time
3) McGwire/Canseco/Bonds/Palmeiro/Clemens and on and on - Liars and cheaters who scammed their bread and butter and got rich doing it.
4) Kobe - and Big Ben - hide your children if they are around
5) Tyson - not much needed to be said here.
Just a very small sampling of the despicable side of humanity we watch on TV and must endure just about every day.
But - according to Charles Barkeley - Tebow is a "National Nightmare".
For the people that cannot see through that - there is simply no hope for them - nor is there any way of convincing them otherwise. You cant fix ignorance.
huge trade will solve it all---ROMO FOR TEBOW
TR,
Romo may be the worst "pressure game" athlete I have ever watched in any sport - ever.
You can actually feel it when you watch him.
Truly a gagger. (but a rich one LOL)
Romo may be the worst "pressure game" athlete I have ever watched in any sport - ever.
You can actually feel it when you watch him.
Truly a gagger. (but a rich one LOL)
There are many people who are big Tebow fans. There are many people who dislike him. Then there are some that don't really care one way or the other, yet most of them even follow the story.
For some reason there seems to be an amazing amount of passion involved in those who like or dislike Tebow. I think that is what makes the story so big. Without all this love hate, the story wouldn't be anywhere near as interesting. It's become a "fad" to have an opinion about Tim Tebow.
Love him or hate him, he has accompished something much harder to achieve than being an All Pro or winning a Super Bowl. He has become the most talked about athlete in the country. Maybe the most talked about person - period.
For some reason there seems to be an amazing amount of passion involved in those who like or dislike Tebow. I think that is what makes the story so big. Without all this love hate, the story wouldn't be anywhere near as interesting. It's become a "fad" to have an opinion about Tim Tebow.
Love him or hate him, he has accompished something much harder to achieve than being an All Pro or winning a Super Bowl. He has become the most talked about athlete in the country. Maybe the most talked about person - period.
PG,
I think it is now much less about Tim Tebow personally (and unfortunately as he is a great role model IMO) - and more about the expression of religion and the mainstream US media's continuing war (now going on about 20 years) on the Christian faith.
I dont think Tim Tebow is that talented of a quarterback - or that he will be a future Hall of Famer. But I do love his committment to the game and his faith, his will and his actions off the field.
The best part of this whole thing - I think - is that alot of people who normally wouldnt be exposed to him now are. A few of them might be inspired to live life like he does.
As opposed to more experiences ala tortured and murdered Vick dogs - or hard core drug dealers like Sam Hurd - or ignorant nonsense form clownlike media prostitutes like Barkley.
Now - just maybe - we get to see what good human beings actually do.
Happy New Year and our best to you and yours.
I think it is now much less about Tim Tebow personally (and unfortunately as he is a great role model IMO) - and more about the expression of religion and the mainstream US media's continuing war (now going on about 20 years) on the Christian faith.
I dont think Tim Tebow is that talented of a quarterback - or that he will be a future Hall of Famer. But I do love his committment to the game and his faith, his will and his actions off the field.
The best part of this whole thing - I think - is that alot of people who normally wouldnt be exposed to him now are. A few of them might be inspired to live life like he does.
As opposed to more experiences ala tortured and murdered Vick dogs - or hard core drug dealers like Sam Hurd - or ignorant nonsense form clownlike media prostitutes like Barkley.
Now - just maybe - we get to see what good human beings actually do.
Happy New Year and our best to you and yours.
Sam Hurd is the NFL player arrested for drugs. Sam Fuld is by all accounts an exemplary citizen and outfielder for the Rays. But I do get your point.
quote:Originally posted by itsinthegame:
the mainstream US media's continuing war (now going on about 20 years) on the Christian faith.
Sure.
quote:Romo may be the worst "pressure game" athlete I have ever watched in any sport - ever.
You can actually feel it when you watch him.
Truly a gagger. (but a rich one LOL)
Not an informed opinion. Check his stats and they don't support the argument. People then say, "but Romo may have good stats, he just doesn't win". Tebow, he wins just doesn't have good stats. So I guess we judge good QB by neither stats nor by wins. Very confusing.
As for me, Tebow's nothing close to the best QB in the league. Win or lose, my opinion of him won't change. I like the kid because he has heart second to no one, his actions follow his words, and he's a team leader who is loved by his teammates...who he just happens to get the most out of. Every coach would love to have a whole team of guys like that.
quote:Originally posted by smalltownmom:
Sam Hurd is the NFL player arrested for drugs. Sam Fuld is by all accounts an exemplary citizen and outfielder for the Rays. But I do get your point.
Oops - sorry for that.
Because everyone would rather watch you fall
Just take a fall
Your one of us
Oh the spotlight is on.
Just take a fall
Your one of us
Oh the spotlight is on.
Whatever happens in the second half...hold your head high Bronco Fans...
Here is a tribute to Tebow I offer from Mother Teresa/Dr. Kent Keith:
THE FINAL ANALYSIS
People are often unreasonable, irrational, and self-centered. Forgive them anyway.
If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives. Be kind anyway.
If you are successful, you will win some unfaithful friends and some genuine enemies. Succeed anyway.
If you are honest and sincere people may deceive you. Be honest and sincere anyway.
What you spend years creating, others could destroy overnight. Create anyway.
If you find serenity and happiness, some may be jealous. Be happy anyway.
The good you do today, will often be forgotten. Do good anyway.
Give the best you have, and it will never be enough. Give your best anyway.
In the final analysis, it is between you and God. It was never between you and them anyway.
-this version is credited to Mother Teresa
Here is a tribute to Tebow I offer from Mother Teresa/Dr. Kent Keith:
THE FINAL ANALYSIS
People are often unreasonable, irrational, and self-centered. Forgive them anyway.
If you are kind, people may accuse you of selfish, ulterior motives. Be kind anyway.
If you are successful, you will win some unfaithful friends and some genuine enemies. Succeed anyway.
If you are honest and sincere people may deceive you. Be honest and sincere anyway.
What you spend years creating, others could destroy overnight. Create anyway.
If you find serenity and happiness, some may be jealous. Be happy anyway.
The good you do today, will often be forgotten. Do good anyway.
Give the best you have, and it will never be enough. Give your best anyway.
In the final analysis, it is between you and God. It was never between you and them anyway.
-this version is credited to Mother Teresa
Looks like Tebow's high school style of play is too much for the NFL. Especially good teams. You can't count Pittsburgh because they were a shell of themselves and anybody would've beaten Pittsburgh last week.
The good thing is he don't QB my team.
The good thing is he don't QB my team.
He had a great run. What is there, 28 other teams that would gladly trade places with the Broncos right now? I guarantee you Rothesberger from Pitt would.
The kid won. He made the playoffs and won a game. Only a select few quarterbacks are in that club. I expect him to come back stronger next year and then win the Senate seat from FLA in 2018. The kid is a winner.
The kid won. He made the playoffs and won a game. Only a select few quarterbacks are in that club. I expect him to come back stronger next year and then win the Senate seat from FLA in 2018. The kid is a winner.