Tebow

Steve A. posted:

RJM posted:

.056, 11 whiffs in 18 at bats

Batting .056, Tim Tebow sent to minor-league camp by Mets

http://www.chicagotribune.com/...-20180313-story.html

This is a perfect illustration of just how difficult baseball is at the highest level. Here you have an elite athlete who has now had a good deal of time to adjust & he is simply overmatched trying to compete. Much like Michael Jordan was.

As with any of the highest level sports, there is much more involved than being an elite athlete.  I've mentioned this before but the mental aspect of baseball, understanding the game and being a student of the game will give you the necessary tools along with your talent to become a pro baseball athlete.  You need them all working together.

Meanwhile Shohei Ohtani is hitting .100 in 20AB, 2H, 7K.  I think Tebow still has a shot.  He has to perform very well this season though.  This is his last chance.  

Unfortunately I think this experiment is over....both in the mind of the Mets and probably in Tebow himself.  .056 and striking out 11 out of 18 times isn't even remotely workable.  I get it that he's been up against some major league pitching, but some of them are fringe MLB guys at best.  I think he would be done if he was 23 and hitting like this.....at this point, if he's kept around for the rest of the year, I think the Mets are admitting that it's more of a sideshow act than a legitimate attempt at finding a future MLB player.  I'll give him credit for tryiing...and I think he's really tried to put in the time it would take to pull it off.......but after seeing my son attempt to get back to hitting D1 pitching this spring after taking 2 years off, I can't imagine what it's like for a guy to try to do it against professional pitching.

Tebow is the perfect example of what is true at all levels of baseball.  Being an exceptional athlete doesn't always translate into being a good baseball player.  

Tebow was an exceptional college football player. His excellence at the pro football level is extremely up for debate. Being big, strong and fast doesn’t necessarily mean overall athleticism. He’s very awkward in the outfield and throwing. 

Could Tebow have become a pro baseball player out of high school or college baseball? He possibly could have been a Kirk Gibson if the rough edges had been smoothed out.

In 120 Plate Appearances in AA, Tebow has an OPS of .783

He'll be called up by the Mets in September: 

https://www.milb.com/milb/news...e-ponies/c-276821110

2019Dad posted:

In 120 Plate Appearances in AA, Tebow has an OPS of .783

He'll be called up by the Mets in September: 

https://www.milb.com/milb/news...e-ponies/c-276821110

For Gawds sake, give it a rest. Nobody cares.  Tebow is not (and never will be) a legit MLB player. 

I dunno.....I like hearing about him.  The only place I see anything about him is on this site because this is the only baseball site I follow with any consistency.  Good water cooler fodder.

I still don't think he ever will be a legit mlb player and his current ops is not really sustainable (over 400 babip) and will regress but he still is about a league average player after not having played for more than a decade and never really having played at a high level. Sure he is older than the guys he faces but those guys have played high level showcases or even college and never stopped practicing baseball.

Even if Tebow is never making it he is doing a great job holding his own as a 30 year old who has never played at a high level. It probably is a marketing stunt by the mets but he is not embarrassing himself out there like so many thought and his first workouts indicated.

I think we can already say his experiment works much better than MJ did.

But realistically of course he is about a league average hitter at best as a 30 year old who can't really play defense other than an outfield corner, so he still isn't really an mlb prospect. But he is doing a respectable job, everyone who is laughing about him: try to walk on to A ball out of your office at a 30 year old and try to compete with 20 year old really good baseball athletes...

Dominik85 posted:

I still don't think he ever will be a legit mlb player and his current ops is not really sustainable (over 400 babip) and will regress but he still is about a league average player after not having played for more than a decade and never really having played at a high level. Sure he is older than the guys he faces but those guys have played high level showcases or even college and never stopped practicing baseball.

Even if Tebow is never making it he is doing a great job holding his own as a 30 year old who has never played at a high level. It probably is a marketing stunt by the mets but he is not embarrassing himself out there like so many thought and his first workouts indicated.

I think we can already say his experiment works much better than MJ did.

But realistically of course he is about a league average hitter at best as a 30 year old who can't really play defense other than an outfield corner, so he still isn't really an mlb prospect. But he is doing a respectable job, everyone who is laughing about him: try ato walk on to A ball out of your office at a 30 year old and try to compete with 20 year old really good baseball athletes...

 

 

If he wasn’t Tim Tebow, PR stunt he wouldn’t be in the minors. How many other 31yo** AA players are there? The typical AA player is 24.

The Mets admitted Tebow is a PR stunt. The more the Mets win the less lik,ey Tebow is to get called up. The best PR is winning.

Tebow is a non baseball stealing, singles hitting, defensive liability, who strikes out 40% of the time. MLB pitchers would eat him alive. 

Who would you start Tebow over? Cespedes? Conforto? Bruce? I say call up Tebow, embarrass him and get it over with. 

** playing age is what the player turns during the season

everyone who is laughing about him: try to walk on to A ball out of your office at a 30 year old and try to compete with 20 year old really good baseball athletes...

No one else gets the chance because it’s a waste if time. Tebow did not walk out of an office. He trained diligently for this PR stunt.

Just dont bat him out of order...#sendthemetstoaaa

Why is anyone even talking about this ??  It isn't a story.  It's a party trick.

All of these can be true (and IMHO are true):

(1) it's a publicity stunt by the Mets

(2) It's absolutely remarkable to not play baseball since junior year in high school, and be able to be an average AA hitter at age 30. Michael Jordan, who IIRC was a pretty good athlete, didn't come close. 

(3) Tebow is not a legitimate MLB prospect 

I don't begrudge the guy #2. In fact, I'm kind of amazed. 

adbono posted:

Why is anyone even talking about this ??  It isn't a story.  It's a party trick.

Can Tebow balance a martini olive on his nose and catch it in his mouth? A couple of nights ago I saw Charles Barkley balance a cookie on his forehead and catch it in his mouth. We all got to see how big Barkley’s mouth really is. It’s been enjoyable watching Barkley begrudgingly admit the Celtics are very good. He hates the Celtics.

RJM posted:

 

** playing age is what the player turns during the season

Not exactly, it's his age on June 30th. This is his age 30 season. 

In the last 10 games in 33 at bats he has 9 hits, 1 walk, 14 SO an OBP of .351 BA .273 and OPS .745

I think they should send him up to AAA.

But they wont because if he fails they will have to let him go.

I don't have a problem with him playing.  He is doing as well as any other AA guy.....though the 52 strikeouts out of 112 AB's (46%) would lead you to think that AA is probably the limit of where he can play.  If it brings some fans to the games, then so be it....no different than any other minor league "attraction"...and anyone who attends minor league games knows there are a lot of them.....the Chicken, Jake the Diamond Dog, Birdzerk, Miron Noodleman before he passed away this winter, etc, etc, etc.  All designed to draw fans.  Difference is Tebow is a player....not a between innings sideshow.  I guess I don't see the difference.....not sure why everyone gets so bent out of shape over him playing. 

I guess I took my eye off the ball.  It took this updated thread to push me to check out his current line.  The most interesting thing I found, the thing that I apparently missed for the last year plus, is the (fairly) new name of his current affiliation team...  Binghamton Rumble Ponies.  The name is apparently a tribute to the abundance of carousels in the area and the hats have an image of a horse with a pole thru it.  Hmmm... the mighty Rumble Ponies. ?? 

Sorry, I'm easily distracted... back to the topic... 

So a current teammate of Tim's is from our area, been progressing gradually in the minors, had one stint in AAA and is a consistent .300 + hitter with power at every level thus far.  His minors path has taken six years to date.  He's 26.   I'm on both sides of the Tebow argument (I actually think 2019Dad's recent post sums it nicely) but this is a real life example of the guy who may never get the call up and at some point in the near future, it may very well be because Tim got the call instead of him.  

I still can't get the image of a carousel pony on a professional player's hat out of my mind.

cabbagedad posted:

I guess I took my eye off the ball.  It took this updated thread to push me to check out his current line.  The most interesting thing I found, the thing that I apparently missed for the last year plus, is the (fairly) new name of his current affiliation team...  Binghamton Rumble Ponies.  The name is apparently a tribute to the abundance of carousels in the area and the hats have an image of a horse with a pole thru it.  Hmmm... the mighty Rumble Ponies. ?? 

Sorry, I'm easily distracted... back to the topic... 

So a current teammate of Tim's is from our area, been progressing gradually in the minors, had one stint in AAA and is a consistent ............300 + hitter with power.  His minors path has taken six years to date.  He's 26.   I'm on both sides of the Tebow argument (I actually think 2019Dad's recent post sums it nicely) but this is a real life example of the guy who may never get the call up and at some point in the near future, it may very well be because Tim got the call instead of him.  

I still can't get the image of a carousel pony on a professional player's hat out of my mind.

Very appropriate metaphor if you ask me. And your point is well taken about any advancement that Tebow gets is at the expense of someone more deserving. That’s why baseball guys don’t like it that Tebow is playing, and that’s why those that aren’t baseball guys don’t get it. 

adbono posted:

cabbagedad posted:

I guess I took my eye off the ball.  It took this updated thread to push me to check out his current line.  The most interesting thing I found, the thing that I apparently missed for the last year plus, is the (fairly) new name of his current affiliation team...  Binghamton Rumble Ponies.  The name is apparently a tribute to the abundance of carousels in the area and the hats have an image of a horse with a pole thru it.  Hmmm... the mighty Rumble Ponies. ?? 

Sorry, I'm easily distracted... back to the topic... 

So a current teammate of Tim's is from our area, been progressing gradually in the minors, had one stint in AAA and is a consistent ............300 + hitter with power.  His minors path has taken six years to date.  He's 26.   I'm on both sides of the Tebow argument (I actually think 2019Dad's recent post sums it nicely) but this is a real life example of the guy who may never get the call up and at some point in the near future, it may very well be because Tim got the call instead of him.  

I still can't get the image of a carousel pony on a professional player's hat out of my mind.

Very appropriate metaphor if you ask me. And your point is well taken about any advancement that Tebow gets is at the expense of someone more deserving. That’s why baseball guys don’t like it that Tebow is playing, and that’s why those that aren’t baseball guys don’t get it. 

Who exactly is entitled to a baseball career or a call up to the majors?   If a team wants to put me at second base for three seasons, they are free to do so, although stupid.

Deserving doesn't get a person anywhere in baseball.  Ability to help in some way does.  And that definition is somewhat fungible.  Baseball is incredibly unfair, unjust and fickle hearted.  Just ask the guys who didn't get first round bonuses.

For a guy in the minors it's not normally the guys he's playing with that determine whether or not he moves up.....it's the guys in front of him.  If a guy had a "short stint" in AAA and is back to AA, it's not Tebow's fault....it's that the guys in AAA are better.  Do you really think the Mets would hold back a guy that could potentially help them just to move Tebow up?   It's fine that he's a sideshow in A or AA, but once you start talking AAA or MLB I don't think they are willing to play that game

Buckeye 2015 posted:

For a guy in the minors it's not normally the guys he's playing with that determine whether or not he moves up.....it's the guys in front of him.  If a guy had a "short stint" in AAA and is back to AA, it's not Tebow's fault....it's that the guys in AAA are better.  Do you really think the Mets would hold back a guy that could potentially help them just to move Tebow up?   It's fine that he's a sideshow in A or AA, but once you start talking AAA or MLB I don't think they are willing to play that game

Buckeye, what you say is true but I think there is often more to it when moving players through the minors.  Yes, of course, the players in front of him are a big factor but there is also juggling back and forth based on how a player handles the next level.  The player I spoke of has done the gradual progression up and back several times and when you see his stat lines, it makes perfect sense.  He would have high success at a level, move up, have moderate success, move back, crush it, move back up and have better success.  Wash, rinse, repeat.  So, currently, he is crushing it at AA and will likely go back to AAA before too long.  

But those call ups are precious and few.  Only so many roster spots per position and overall.  So, if, say, a Tebow gets put a bit on the fast track for any variety of reasons (right or wrong), it can certainly affect a guy like the one I used as a real life example.  

Hypothetically, the Mets could have a Cespedes hit the 10-day DL and decide the best roster move is to have a guy on the bench who could fill an OF spot and be a decent bat off the bench.  Hypothetically, either Tebow or this guy could fill that need.  Which would they pick and why?  This would certainly be a life-changer for this guy.  But it is certainly possible that it doesn't happen and Tebow gets the nod.   Heck, it could be a life-changer for Tebow.  

Hmmmm...  Cespedes IS on the 10 day DL ...        just sayin'

cabbagedad posted:

Buckeye 2015 posted:

For a guy in the minors it's not normally the guys he's playing with that determine whether or not he moves up.....it's the guys in front of him.  If a guy had a "short stint" in AAA and is back to AA, it's not Tebow's fault....it's that the guys in AAA are better.  Do you really think the Mets would hold back a guy that could potentially help them just to move Tebow up?   It's fine that he's a sideshow in A or AA, but once you start talking AAA or MLB I don't think they are willing to play that game

Buckeye, what you say is true but I think there is often more to it when moving players through the minors.  Yes, of course, the players in front of him are a big factor but there is also juggling back and forth based on how a player handles the next level.  The player I spoke of has done the gradual progression up and back several times and when you see his stat lines, it makes perfect sense.  He would have high success at a level, move up, have moderate success, move back, crush it, move back up and have better success.  Wash, rinse, repeat.  So, currently, he is crushing it at AA and will likely go back to AAA before too long.  

But those call ups are precious and few.  Only so many roster spots per position and overall.  So, if, say, a Tebow gets put a bit on the fast track for any variety of reasons (right or wrong), it can certainly affect a guy like the one I used as a real life example.  

Hypothetically, the Mets could have a Cespedes hit the 10-day DL and decide the best roster move is to have a guy on the bench who could fill an OF spot and be a decent bat off the bench.  Hypothetically, either Tebow or this guy could fill that need.  Which would they pick and why?  This would certainly be a life-changer for this guy.  But it is certainly possible that it doesn't happen and Tebow gets the nod.   Heck, it could be a life-changer for Tebow.  

Hmmmm...  Cespedes IS on the 10 day DL ...        just sayin'

Bingo 

I just don't see the Mets moving Tebow to the MLB....ever.   Having him play in the minors is one thing....he's an attraction, but in MLB you have guys livlihoods depending on the Mets being able to win games.  Do you really think a Mets pitcher wants to throw in a game that they have Tebow in the lineup defensively?   My son is  pitcher and he absolutely hates it when anyone other than the guys who have earned the starting position are in on defense.....bad things just seem to find those guys....and the pitcher ends up taking the knock for it...either in his W/L record or his ERA....which at the end of the year can have a big part in his next contract $$$.   I just don't see the MLB guys thinking "oh, this is great, I get to play with Tebow" like the minor league guys may.   At this point, he brings nothing to an MLB roster....lack of power, defensive liability and he strikes out almost half his AB's.  That's ok if he's putting butts in the seats at a minor league park, but not for an MLB team that's only 4.5 games out of first place

Yeah it has been and will continue to be interesting to watch if he continues to keep his progression just a bit better than the expectations of most.  Certainly, his presence has boosted the Mets MiLB gate and as someone else pointed out, when he hits the level that he fails, that probably all goes away so it would be fun to be a fly on the wall in the office of those discussions.

Of course, almost all teams deal with the dilemma of rolling out a defensive liability in exchange for offensive firepower.  So, he would have to improve significantly with consistent power or quite a bit on both sides of the ball.

He'll get the call up.  God has willed it.  

What bothers me is that this isn't about MLB but about more attention for his and more fans to get a bigger better contract at ESPN. His PR people have even admitted so, as I have posted in the past.

You can't get a call up not being on the 40 man roster and that isn't going to happen. Will that mean he gets days off for his ESPN appearances for game day? Who else can do that?  If that happens than I have less respect for the Mets than I already do. The new name for the Binghamton Mets just shows you what a circus they are.

IMO you are either a ball player or your not. And for what it's worth if he was over in the Texas League he would have been done a while ago.

cabbagedad posted:

Buckeye 2015 posted:

For a guy in the minors it's not normally the guys he's playing with that determine whether or not he moves up.....it's the guys in front of him.  If a guy had a "short stint" in AAA and is back to AA, it's not Tebow's fault....it's that the guys in AAA are better.  Do you really think the Mets would hold back a guy that could potentially help them just to move Tebow up?   It's fine that he's a sideshow in A or AA, but once you start talking AAA or MLB I don't think they are willing to play that game

Buckeye, what you say is true but I think there is often more to it when moving players through the minors.  Yes, of course, the players in front of him are a big factor but there is also juggling back and forth based on how a player handles the next level.  The player I spoke of has done the gradual progression up and back several times and when you see his stat lines, it makes perfect sense.  He would have high success at a level, move up, have moderate success, move back, crush it, move back up and have better success.  Wash, rinse, repeat.  So, currently, he is crushing it at AA and will likely go back to AAA before too long.  

But those call ups are precious and few.  Only so many roster spots per position and overall.  So, if, say, a Tebow gets put a bit on the fast track for any variety of reasons (right or wrong), it can certainly affect a guy like the one I used as a real life example.  

Hypothetically, the Mets could have a Cespedes hit the 10-day DL and decide the best roster move is to have a guy on the bench who could fill an OF spot and be a decent bat off the bench.  Hypothetically, either Tebow or this guy could fill that need.  Which would they pick and why?  This would certainly be a life-changer for this guy.  But it is certainly possible that it doesn't happen and Tebow gets the nod.   Heck, it could be a life-changer for Tebow.  

Hmmmm...  Cespedes IS on the 10 day DL ...        just sayin'

While I appreciate the story, and truly hope for the best for the young man, at the same time, he could have been a low round pick who is out performing a first rounder, but the first round money guy gets the call ups.  Baseball, for what it's worth, is not exactly a meritocracy. 

I wasn't on board with this circus, but if he's hitting .260 after not playing for 10+ years, it's pretty impressive.  I have come around on him, and I am hoping he continues to improve.

Tebow = White Christian Male = 50% (I'm not sure it's not more now) of the people in this country think he is everything that is wrong

Buckeye 2015 posted:

 Do you really think the Mets would hold back a guy that could potentially help them just to move Tebow up?   

Hope not but its done. Its all about what available on the 40 man roster and if they took someone off to move him up just to bolster MLB attendance there could be a grievance filed and I am not sure they need that.

JMO

Ja'Crispy posted:

Tebow = White Christian Male = 50% (I'm not sure it's not more now) of the people in this country think he is everything that is wrong

That is not a fair statement and totally inappropriate for this site.

Teaching Elder posted:

cabbagedad posted:

Buckeye 2015 posted:

For a guy in the minors it's not normally the guys he's playing with that determine whether or not he moves up.....it's the guys in front of him.  If a guy had a "short stint" in AAA and is back to AA, it's not Tebow's fault....it's that the guys in AAA are better.  Do you really think the Mets would hold back a guy that could potentially help them just to move Tebow up?   It's fine that he's a sideshow in A or AA, but once you start talking AAA or MLB I don't think they are willing to play that game

Buckeye, what you say is true but I think there is often more to it when moving players through the minors.  Yes, of course, the players in front of him are a big factor but there is also juggling back and forth based on how a player handles the next level.  The player I spoke of has done the gradual progression up and back several times and when you see his stat lines, it makes perfect sense.  He would have high success at a level, move up, have moderate success, move back, crush it, move back up and have better success.  Wash, rinse, repeat.  So, currently, he is crushing it at AA and will likely go back to AAA before too long.  

But those call ups are precious and few.  Only so many roster spots per position and overall.  So, if, say, a Tebow gets put a bit on the fast track for any variety of reasons (right or wrong), it can certainly affect a guy like the one I used as a real life example.  

Hypothetically, the Mets could have a Cespedes hit the 10-day DL and decide the best roster move is to have a guy on the bench who could fill an OF spot and be a decent bat off the bench.  Hypothetically, either Tebow or this guy could fill that need.  Which would they pick and why?  This would certainly be a life-changer for this guy.  But it is certainly possible that it doesn't happen and Tebow gets the nod.   Heck, it could be a life-changer for Tebow.  

Hmmmm...  Cespedes IS on the 10 day DL ...        just sayin'

While I appreciate the story, and truly hope for the best for the young man, at the same time, he could have been a low round pick who is out performing a first rounder, but the first round money guy gets the call ups.  Baseball, for what it's worth, is not exactly a meritocracy. 

No argument with your points, Teach.  I just find it all fun to talk about and speculate.  Not saying "my guy" deserves to be called up, just adding a real life person to the equation/discussion.  It all factors in, I reckon... bonus money, once in a great while - gate draw/celebrity, of course talent and can you help us, age, position needs, circumstance, injury and on and on.  Again, would be fun to be a fly on the wall for these behind-closed-door discussions.  

Anyone here from behind those doors?

2019Dad posted:

RJM posted:

 

** playing age is what the player turns during the season

Not exactly, it's his age on June 30th. This is his age 30 season. 

It really doesn’t matter. Rather than argue what a scout told me, 30 or 31 it’s’ all the same. Its a party trick.

Buckeye 2015 posted:

I don't have a problem with him playing.  He is doing as well as any other AA guy.....though the 52 strikeouts out of 112 AB's (46%) would lead you to think that AA is probably the limit of where he can play.  If it brings some fans to the games, then so be it....no different than any other minor league "attraction"...and anyone who attends minor league games knows there are a lot of them.....the Chicken, Jake the Diamond Dog, Birdzerk, Miron Noodleman before he passed away this winter, etc, etc, etc.  All designed to draw fans.  Difference is Tebow is a player....not a between innings sideshow.  I guess I don't see the difference.....not sure why everyone gets so bent out of shape over him playing. 

I live in Portland ME part of the time. On the radio the Sea Sogs advertised the series with Binghamton as “come see a Heisman Trophy winner play baseball.”

I passed. Been there, done better. I saw a Heisman trophy play MLB when the Royals and White Sox came to Anaheim. 

Teaching Elder posted:

adbono posted:

cabbagedad posted:

I guess I took my eye off the ball.  It took this updated thread to push me to check out his current line.  The most interesting thing I found, the thing that I apparently missed for the last year plus, is the (fairly) new name of his current affiliation team...  Binghamton Rumble Ponies.  The name is apparently a tribute to the abundance of carousels in the area and the hats have an image of a horse with a pole thru it.  Hmmm... the mighty Rumble Ponies. ?? 

Sorry, I'm easily distracted... back to the topic... 

So a current teammate of Tim's is from our area, been progressing gradually in the minors, had one stint in AAA and is a consistent ............300 + hitter with power.  His minors path has taken six years to date.  He's 26.   I'm on both sides of the Tebow argument (I actually think 2019Dad's recent post sums it nicely) but this is a real life example of the guy who may never get the call up and at some point in the near future, it may very well be because Tim got the call instead of him.  

I still can't get the image of a carousel pony on a professional player's hat out of my mind.

Very appropriate metaphor if you ask me. And your point is well taken about any advancement that Tebow gets is at the expense of someone more deserving. That’s why baseball guys don’t like it that Tebow is playing, and that’s why those that aren’t baseball guys don’t get it. 

Who exactly is entitled to a baseball career or a call up to the majors?   If a team wants to put me at second base for three seasons, they are free to do so, although stupid.

Deserving doesn't get a person anywhere in baseball.  Ability to help in some way does.  And that definition is somewhat fungible.  Baseball is incredibly unfair, unjust and fickle hearted.  Just ask the guys who didn't get first round bonuses.

A MLB call up should be earned. I’m betting Tebow’s won’t be earned. The Mets already claimed last year it’s a publicity stunt.

TPM posted:

Ja'Crispy posted:

Tebow = White Christian Male = 50% (I'm not sure it's not more now) of the people in this country think he is everything that is wrong

That is not a fair statement and totally inappropriate for this site.

Completely fair. It's what drives his mocking coverage on MSESPN and the other media.

Let's just say for example that MLB is in the entertainment business, which it is. Can they therefore seek to provide a product that generates interest? Yes, and they can & do it any way they see fit.

How many teams out of 30 have a legitimate shot to win the WS this year?? Maybe 10. Do the Mets have a legit shot to get to the WS? Can you say NO.

Let's just pretend that perhaps, just perhaps, Tim Tebow is an older MILB guy grinding it out in the minor leagues because he still wants to play when he can. Is MILB not infested with about 500 guys who fit this description?? Does T Tebow have any control whatsoever over what the Mets decide regarding a call up? No. Can the Mets call him up in September when rosters expand & in no way shape or form "harm" the team. I suppose that is debatable but I can promise you this: There have been much less talented players than Tim Tebow get time because they were high picks or big $$ Investments.

The rage against T Tebow revolves around his personal religious views. Simple as that. They make some people uncomfortable.

As for Tebow stealing time from some other more worthy player, just save it. If you are that borderline & you seriously think that if it were not for Tebow you would have got a shot you are delusional.

Steve A. posted:

Let's just say for example that MLB is in the entertainment business, which it is. Can they therefore seek to provide a product that generates interest? Yes, and they can & do it any way they see fit.

How many teams out of 30 have a legitimate shot to win the WS this year?? Maybe 10. Do the Mets have a legit shot to get to the WS? Can you say NO.

Let's just pretend that perhaps, just perhaps, Tim Tebow is an older MILB guy grinding it out in the minor leagues because he still wants to play when he can. Is MILB not infested with about 500 guys who fit this description?? Does T Tebow have any control whatsoever over what the Mets decide regarding a call up? No. Can the Mets call him up in September when rosters expand & in no way shape or form "harm" the team. I suppose that is debatable but I can promise you this: There have been much less talented players than Tim Tebow get time because they were high picks or big $$ Investments.

The rage against T Tebow revolves around his personal religious views. Simple as that. They make some people uncomfortable.

As for Tebow stealing time from some other more worthy player, just save it. If you are that borderline & you seriously think that if it were not for Tebow you would have got a shot you are delusional.

This ^^^^^.

Ja'Crispy posted:

TPM posted:

Ja'Crispy posted:

Tebow = White Christian Male = 50% (I'm not sure it's not more now) of the people in this country think he is everything that is wrong

That is not a fair statement and totally inappropriate for this site.

Completely fair. It's what drives his mocking coverage on MSESPN and the other media.

I didn't know Alex Jones posted here!