Listening to his interviews again I noticed that he said he was "young and naive" when he did this---he was in the bigs beginning in 1994--lets see 2001 less 1994 is 7 years in my book---and still naive going into 2001---yeah right !!!!
In the rush to hang A-Rod, who let's face it has never been a favorite of this site anyway, bear a few things in mind.
He's smart enough to know that if he continues lying, it'll get worse. Much worse. I therefore suspect we are getting to the truth now.
His move allows him to play 7-10 more years in the clear, thereby rehabilitating his legacy and therefore, his HOF chances.
Most importantly, this sends a signal that the scores of less famous players can come forward now, knowing that their stories will pale in comparison to the A-Rod situation. Pretty soon, I predict, we'll have all sorts of confessors. And that will hasten the public's weariness with the issue, its resignation to the reality that if everyone wasn't doing it, close to everyone was doing it.
We may finally get this all out into the light.
He's smart enough to know that if he continues lying, it'll get worse. Much worse. I therefore suspect we are getting to the truth now.
His move allows him to play 7-10 more years in the clear, thereby rehabilitating his legacy and therefore, his HOF chances.
Most importantly, this sends a signal that the scores of less famous players can come forward now, knowing that their stories will pale in comparison to the A-Rod situation. Pretty soon, I predict, we'll have all sorts of confessors. And that will hasten the public's weariness with the issue, its resignation to the reality that if everyone wasn't doing it, close to everyone was doing it.
We may finally get this all out into the light.
Midlo
This nonsense will go on forever
This nonsense will go on forever
Didn't this all start around the time he started wearing the purple lipstick? Hmmmmmm 
Thecream , the clear , the qweer?
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According to Roy Oswalt, "A-Rod's numbers shouldn't count for anything," Oswalt said in a phone interview with MLB.com. "I feel like he cheated me out of the game."
"It does bother me," Oswalt said. "Especially for the guys that went out there and did it on talent. We're always going to have a cloud on us, and that's not fair at all.
"The ones that have come out and admitted it, and are proven guilty, [their numbers] should not count. I've been cheated out of the game," Oswalt continued. "This is my ninth year, and I've done nothing to enhance my performance, other than work my butt off to get guys out. These guys [who took PEDs] have all the talent in the world. All-Star talent. And they put times two on it.
"I'm going out there with the ability God gave me. They have that ability, too, and they're putting something on top of it."
"The few times we played them, when he got hits, it could have cost me a game," Oswalt said. "It could have cost me money in my contract. He cheated me out of the game and I take it personally, because I've never done [PEDs], haven't done it, and they're cheating me out of the game."
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"It does bother me," Oswalt said. "Especially for the guys that went out there and did it on talent. We're always going to have a cloud on us, and that's not fair at all.
"The ones that have come out and admitted it, and are proven guilty, [their numbers] should not count. I've been cheated out of the game," Oswalt continued. "This is my ninth year, and I've done nothing to enhance my performance, other than work my butt off to get guys out. These guys [who took PEDs] have all the talent in the world. All-Star talent. And they put times two on it.
"I'm going out there with the ability God gave me. They have that ability, too, and they're putting something on top of it."
"The few times we played them, when he got hits, it could have cost me a game," Oswalt said. "It could have cost me money in my contract. He cheated me out of the game and I take it personally, because I've never done [PEDs], haven't done it, and they're cheating me out of the game."
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Good catch Dad04 and I'd have to say Oswalt has an opinion that other players seldom share.
However, I think he is being rather dramatic. You can't tell me that a guy with his intelligence has not seen this go on since he's been in the league. Where was this "attitude" before?
Why didn't he come forward earlier?
Why wait until the "shet hit the fan" before making this righteous statement?
There must be method behinds his madness.
Kind of spineless, and looking to separate himself from those accused. IMO.
btw- I agree with his assessment may be shared by others, but his delivery is kind of cheap.
However, I think he is being rather dramatic. You can't tell me that a guy with his intelligence has not seen this go on since he's been in the league. Where was this "attitude" before?
Why didn't he come forward earlier?
Why wait until the "shet hit the fan" before making this righteous statement?
There must be method behinds his madness.
Kind of spineless, and looking to separate himself from those accused. IMO.
btw- I agree with his assessment may be shared by others, but his delivery is kind of cheap.
There is chatter in NE Ohio, a true baseball hotbed, and thats not sarcasm. The talk is of Era's in professional baseball.
Live ball, mound height, free agency, blacks banned until the late 40's, expansion/dilution, greenies, field dimensions to name a few.
Each one of these has had an effect on the history of baseball and its records and statistics.
Just add steroids, and move on until the next aspect occurs.
Live ball, mound height, free agency, blacks banned until the late 40's, expansion/dilution, greenies, field dimensions to name a few.
Each one of these has had an effect on the history of baseball and its records and statistics.
Just add steroids, and move on until the next aspect occurs.
Those are some great points Slugger. This will be remembered as the steroid era of baseball. It eventually will pass. More names will come out. More players will have to "come clean." And we will eventually move on and so will the game.
Coach May, I truly hope you're right. I've loved this game since I could first pick up a baseball and it just saddens me to have all of this nonsense swirling around. I'm 54 and hope I live long enough to see a week go by without "baseball" and "drugs" being in the same article at least once.
These guys, every last one of them, have tarnished the game, and in my mind, they all have forfeited any right to HOF consideration-ever. If Rose is banned for gambling, and I thought he should be banned, then each and every one of these guys deserves the same fate. True, we can't go back and test DNA samples of guys already in the hall (although maybe we start a HOF DNA bank for future analysis, maybe right next to Ted Williams' head in the X Files wing of the HOF), but we've got to start somewhere. Any claim to unfairness in this approach was forfeited when they stuck the first needle in their rears.
These guys, every last one of them, have tarnished the game, and in my mind, they all have forfeited any right to HOF consideration-ever. If Rose is banned for gambling, and I thought he should be banned, then each and every one of these guys deserves the same fate. True, we can't go back and test DNA samples of guys already in the hall (although maybe we start a HOF DNA bank for future analysis, maybe right next to Ted Williams' head in the X Files wing of the HOF), but we've got to start somewhere. Any claim to unfairness in this approach was forfeited when they stuck the first needle in their rears.
quote:rz posted: btw- I agree with his assessment may be shared by others, but his delivery is kind of cheap.
I remember listening to Orlando native and resident Joe Oliver on a local sports talk show during the Clemens saga. He made Roy Oswalt sound almost ambivilent. I nearly drove off the road as he called Clemens and such folk cheaters and thieves for stealing money from players who played straight up. He said no one will ever know how many millions of dollars were stolen from kids who didn't juice. Oliver is now a high school head coach here.
btw Oswalt and Arod could not be more different. Oswalt is from extremely rural Mississippi. His dad started the high school baseball team at his tiny school so he could play. He got a bull dozer for a signing bonus last year.
Arod is a purple lipstick wearing metro se xual from Miami who half the country thinks is something other than hetero.
I hope no one takes this as anything more than an observation, because that is all it it is. I find the divergence of opinion of support or condemnation in the thread firmly split between pro-affiliated and non-pro-affiliated posters. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I just find it interesting.
quote:Originally posted by Dad04:
I hope no one takes this as anything more than an observation, because that is all it it is. I find the divergence of opinion of support or condemnation in the thread firmly split between pro-affiliated and non-pro-affiliated posters. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I just find it interesting.
I think you're quite right in that observation. Over at a couple of MLB fan sites (as well as discussions with my baseball buddies), the level of outrage/dismay/whatever has hardly hit orange level. One prevelent attitude seems to be that to be concerned that ballplayers are juicing makes as much sense as being concerned that Jimi Hendrix took hallucinogens....it's entertainment, fer cryin' out loud, anything to make it "better". The rest take up the 'all eras have their little peccadilloes' mantra.
But when it's impacting your (or your baby's) career, it is (as they say) a whole other ballgame. You take a closer look.
Saturday Night Live's take on this:
"This week, A-Rod confessed to an ESPN interviewer that he had used steroids in the past.
"Though apparently, not in October."
"This week, A-Rod confessed to an ESPN interviewer that he had used steroids in the past.
"Though apparently, not in October."
Former teammate Doug Glanville's take on the situation.
I stumbled across it when reading a link that discusses the privacy that was assumed when the test was originally taken. I'm not condoning what he did, but there seems to be a huge problem with the way the results were handled. The leak (no pun intended) might not be admissable in court, but the damage is real and significant.
I stumbled across it when reading a link that discusses the privacy that was assumed when the test was originally taken. I'm not condoning what he did, but there seems to be a huge problem with the way the results were handled. The leak (no pun intended) might not be admissable in court, but the damage is real and significant.
This entire situation is getting very OLD !!!!
Thanks for that link infidel. I heard Doug Glanville's interview with J. Rome last week, and he's every bit as well-spoken as he is well-written. Glanville's take is such an important and overlooked issue.
There are undoubtedly some here who will disagree. Not I.
quote:But before we get self-righteous, we should look in the mirror and ask ourselves whether exposing A-Rod, or any player for that matter, is worth stepping all over rights, privacy, confidentiality and anonymity.
There are undoubtedly some here who will disagree. Not I.
Interesting side note...
I was at a charity auction this past weekend. Lots of sports stuff up for auction including a very nicely signed and framed ARod photo.
No bidders. Not a single one.
What item was getting the highest bids (easily)?
Framed beach volleyball photo signed by Kerri Walsh and Misty May Traynor.
I was at a charity auction this past weekend. Lots of sports stuff up for auction including a very nicely signed and framed ARod photo.
No bidders. Not a single one.
What item was getting the highest bids (easily)?
Framed beach volleyball photo signed by Kerri Walsh and Misty May Traynor.
quote:I was at a charity auction this past weekend. Lots of sports stuff up for auction including a very nicely signed and framed ARod photo. No bidders. Not a single one.
His fans should be openly proud of him and not feel stigmatized by society's biases toward their orientation. It's 2009.
quote:Originally posted by Dad04:quote:justbaseball quote:
I was at a charity auction this past weekend. Lots of sports stuff up for auction including a very nicely signed and framed ARod photo. No bidders. Not a single one.
His fans should be openly proud of him and not feel stigmatized by society's biases toward their orientation. It's 2009.
Dad04, I'll bet if phone bids were allowed we would have seen a "next day" delivery to the high bidder from the Orlando area
If I had been there I would have bought it...so I could shred it. There are a bunch of rainbow warriors here. That is true.
Hey hey hey hey. Watch it there pal!
We know you Floridians like it hot hot hot.
(Not that there's anything wrong with that )
We know you Floridians like it hot hot hot.
(Not that there's anything wrong with that
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(with apologies to UHA) was typed really really small.
quote:Originally posted by Dad04:
If I had been there I would have bought it...so I could shred it. There are a bunch of rainbow warriors here. That is true.
You'd have gotten it awfuly cheap!
I talked to the auctioneer today...he actually took it off the table at some point. He agree, right now no one wants it.
quote:A-Rod downplayed the insults hurled at him by those in the stands and concentrated on the ones that were supportive.
"Fans were okay, I would like to invite a bunch of them to Fenway Park. They were pretty nice," Rodriguez said. "Hope this is the start of a successful year for all of us. Thought today was very mild, thought fans were great."
After 2 spring training at bats he has his wet finger in the air measuring fan opinion? He is hopeless. Look out for a chokefest from The Freezer.
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quote:Originally posted by bakstop007:
biggest surprise to me is about the players union informing players before the tests.
not to mention they won the argument for the players allowing a 24 hour notice before HGH tests and thats how long it takes to get HGH outve your system.
Of course the unions would inform the players about the test. They represent the players, not management. The union wouldn't be doing their job if they threw their players under the bus. Although it looks like they did by not getting rid of that list.
The real surprise would be if the unions knew when players were getting tested and idn't give the players a heads-up
quote:"Listen," Rodriguez says. "I was thinking about one thing that I spoke about—it's something that's kind of trivial but will give me a hard time for no reason." He pauses. "The song."
Aha. Last night, he let slip his favorite Madonna song. The curious relationship between A-Rod and the pop icon makes for delicious gossip, of course. Is Rodriguez terrified that Madonna will resent the tongue-wagging? Or, better still, has he picked the wrong song as his favorite, and fears that an offended Madge might march her stilettos over his back? No: Rodriguez believes that revealing the song would lead to its being played every time he stepped to the plate during an away game. "The last thing I want to do is go to every stadium and have them play that song," he says. Fine—to be honest, it's not even a great Madonna song (if it had been something juicy like "Justify My Love," forget it).
No problem. They will simply play the entire Madonna catolog.
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