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They make a valid point. If you aren't receiving any scholarship money you shouldn't have to sit a year if you transfer to a school that will give you a scholarship.
Are coaches overpaid in the NCAA? To some extent, absolutely. Is "everyone getting paid" like people want to claim? Not so much. There are plenty of people in the athletic department who are making little or nothing. How many volunteer coaches are there in baseball alone? Think about other sports as well. Sports Medicine personnel are also severely underpaid in many cases. There was an article recently that I read that talked about the new Department of Labor FLSA requirements going into effect in December where one athletic department (Sun Belt school I think) who had 70 employees and 68 of them did not meet the new minimum standards coming out... Somebody's about to be hurting!
Bulldog 19 posted:Are coaches overpaid in the NCAA? To some extent, absolutely. Is "everyone getting paid" like people want to claim? Not so much. There are plenty of people in the athletic department who are making little or nothing. How many volunteer coaches are there in baseball alone? Think about other sports as well. Sports Medicine personnel are also severely underpaid in many cases. There was an article recently that I read that talked about the new Department of Labor FLSA requirements going into effect in December where one athletic department (Sun Belt school I think) who had 70 employees and 68 of them did not meet the new minimum standards coming out... Somebody's about to be hurting!
In the large conferences, everyone is getting paid. Athletic departments have grown from 3-5 person operations to 50-70 person operations. Almost all of them are making 100k or more. Just look up your favorite teams sports department. Everyone is an associate AD. The job titles are ludicrous. AD of Fan Development. Assistant to the Assistant of gameday management. Everything in the Power 5 conferences, especially SEC football, is bloated.
Of those volunteers not making the minimum standard, I wonder how many of them report their lesson income to the IRS?
D1 volunteer coaches or graduate coaches do not get paid.
d-mac posted:Bulldog 19 posted:Are coaches overpaid in the NCAA? To some extent, absolutely. Is "everyone getting paid" like people want to claim? Not so much. There are plenty of people in the athletic department who are making little or nothing. How many volunteer coaches are there in baseball alone? Think about other sports as well. Sports Medicine personnel are also severely underpaid in many cases. There was an article recently that I read that talked about the new Department of Labor FLSA requirements going into effect in December where one athletic department (Sun Belt school I think) who had 70 employees and 68 of them did not meet the new minimum standards coming out... Somebody's about to be hurting!
In the large conferences, everyone is getting paid. Athletic departments have grown from 3-5 person operations to 50-70 person operations. Almost all of them are making 100k or more. Just look up your favorite teams sports department. Everyone is an associate AD. The job titles are ludicrous. AD of Fan Development. Assistant to the Assistant of gameday management. Everything in the Power 5 conferences, especially SEC football, is bloated.
Of those volunteers not making the minimum standard, I wonder how many of them report their lesson income to the IRS?
I can guarantee the Sports Medicine staff is making nowhere near $100k per year. MAYBE the Head Athletic Trainer if he's lucky. But I have applied for Assistant Athletic Trainer positions from D3/NAIA all the way up to the SEC. Most of them in the $30-42k range with a masters degree required. And that's if they're not calling it an "internship" for $10-14k per year.
It's baseball tournament time. The ads are back. I've missed them since March Madness ended. Don't you just love the NCAA con job academics are more important than athletics?
RJM posted:It's baseball tournament time. The ads are back. I've missed them since March Madness ended. Don't you just love the NCAA con job academics are more important than athletics?
You can see that flaw simply by looking at a baseball schedule.
I don't understand, 11.7 scholarships for baseball but no limit for football? This article said there were 85 100% football scholarships on one team. Who came up with this 11.7 stuff and why? I understand not every program is even funded for the 11.7 but if they are and the school could afford 35, why not let them?
CaCO3Girl posted:I don't understand, 11.7 scholarships for baseball but no limit for football? This article said there were 85 100% football scholarships on one team. Who came up with this 11.7 stuff and why? I understand not every program is even funded for the 11.7 but if they are and the school could afford 35, why not let them?
Ok, so here's how the football one works. The FBS schools are required to give out 85 full scholarships. The FCS schools give out (I believe) 63. The difference is that FBS schools give out 85 but they all are 100%. They can't tell 120 kids they're getting part of that pie. FCS schools can do that with their 63, but I believe they have a certain number of players that caps it. So let's just say they have 63 "full scholarships" that they can split amongst 85 players.
But let's also consider the revenues that are being brought in by an individual sport. Too often we just want equality across the board, but we forget money doesn't just grow on trees..
http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-...all_carries_uni.html
CaCO3Girl posted:I don't understand, 11.7 scholarships for baseball but no limit for football? This article said there were 85 100% football scholarships on one team. Who came up with this 11.7 stuff and why? I understand not every program is even funded for the 11.7 but if they are and the school could afford 35, why not let them?
I think it is a competitive balance thing. Baseball programs make much less revenue than football (often they are probably partly subsided by football revenue). The top programs could afford full scholarships for everyone but the smaller programs can't and they would have an even bigger disadvantage in recruiting top talent which would mean more blowout games which nobody wants to see.
Bulldog 19 posted:d-mac posted:Bulldog 19 posted:Are coaches overpaid in the NCAA? To some extent, absolutely. Is "everyone getting paid" like people want to claim? Not so much. There are plenty of people in the athletic department who are making little or nothing. How many volunteer coaches are there in baseball alone? Think about other sports as well. Sports Medicine personnel are also severely underpaid in many cases. There was an article recently that I read that talked about the new Department of Labor FLSA requirements going into effect in December where one athletic department (Sun Belt school I think) who had 70 employees and 68 of them did not meet the new minimum standards coming out... Somebody's about to be hurting!
In the large conferences, everyone is getting paid. Athletic departments have grown from 3-5 person operations to 50-70 person operations. Almost all of them are making 100k or more. Just look up your favorite teams sports department. Everyone is an associate AD. The job titles are ludicrous. AD of Fan Development. Assistant to the Assistant of gameday management. Everything in the Power 5 conferences, especially SEC football, is bloated.
Of those volunteers not making the minimum standard, I wonder how many of them report their lesson income to the IRS?
I can guarantee the Sports Medicine staff is making nowhere near $100k per year. MAYBE the Head Athletic Trainer if he's lucky. But I have applied for Assistant Athletic Trainer positions from D3/NAIA all the way up to the SEC. Most of them in the $30-42k range with a masters degree required. And that's if they're not calling it an "internship" for $10-14k per year.
Take a look at the Alabama athletic department. It will take you a few minutes just to scroll through all of the people. The administration jobs are what I am talking about. If they were ran like a corporation, 50-75% of those jobs wouldn't exist.
TPM posted:D1 volunteer coaches or graduate coaches do not get paid.
GA's get a stipend of 5-12k, room and board, and usually a tuition waiver. If they are at a big baseball school they make another 40k giving lessons in the schools indoor facility.
Dominik85 posted:CaCO3Girl posted:I don't understand, 11.7 scholarships for baseball but no limit for football? This article said there were 85 100% football scholarships on one team. Who came up with this 11.7 stuff and why? I understand not every program is even funded for the 11.7 but if they are and the school could afford 35, why not let them?
I think it is a competitive balance thing. Baseball programs make much less revenue than football (often they are probably partly subsided by football revenue). The top programs could afford full scholarships for everyone but the smaller programs can't and they would have an even bigger disadvantage in recruiting top talent which would mean more blowout games which nobody wants to see.
Football subsidized baseball is mostly a myth. There are only about twenty football programs in the country that make money. Football is about visibility, winning and prestige. Temple wiped out several sports including baseball to pump more money into a historically horrible football program to raise visibility. They play in front of 18,000 fans in a 65,000 seat stadium. The program has bumped itself up to mediocre in the past few years. They want to play on Penn State's historical level.
35k with no insurance benefits, if they have profitable camps. They also get invites to attend other camps.
Graduate students get per semester and free tuition. D1 programs only allow one or the other.
There's an NCAA ad being played repeatedly on ESPN3. "Free from the pressure and money of pro sports." College sports are free of pressure? Give me a freak'n break!
There's pressure earn playing time with a team full of all everything's in high school. There's pressure coming from behind with every recruiting class. There's pressure to keep your scholarship. There's pressure to get the academics done while missing classes. There's pressure to manage time properly to make athletics and academics work together.
No pressure!