the NEW BREED

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Unfortunately they are living in today's world.

THE KIDS TODAY DO NOT HAVE HURT FEELINGS ENOUGH !!!!!

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Travel ball coach took 12U team to Div 1 for a tour led by the college's hitting coach a couple years ago. Never forget what he told the boys they look for in potential recruits ... in this order:

1. Grades, grades, grades.
2. Toughness. His actual quote was: "We're seeeing way too many wussies with a 'P'. Too much Xbox and whining!" That got their attention.
3. Baseball talent

Amen, TR.

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And it's not just baseball that I'm worried about.

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At 12u "too many wussies with a P" is inappropriate language. Honestly, I don't think my son would have known what that was-- and I am not naive. I agree that too much xbox and whining is not a good thing-- fortunately have never had to deal with it from either child-- but I would mark that school off of our list if a coach talked like that to my 12u.

I hope the old breed doesn't live to insult and hurt feelings. You can teach constructively in a positive manner. Sure, the truth needs to be told, and sometimes it might be ugly-- but I find positive criticism can get positive effects-- and respect at the same time. Don't really see what's wrong with feeling good about yourself and others: it breeds an atmosphere for success.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
YES THEY ARE AMONGST US---they want all to feel good---no insults and no hurt feelings---what world do they live in?

What an odd post. What world are you living in?

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Originally posted by smalltownmom:
At 12u "too many wussies with a P" is inappropriate language.

I'm sorry I have to disagree here.

There are WAY too many wuppies out there today.

smalltownmom - understand where you're coming from, but couldn't disagree more. I guarantee you ... every boy knew exactly what he meant. It made an impression that has lasted -- in a positive way.

In my book, this is not only a school I wouldn't cross off the list ... I'd move it up the list. We need tougher boys!

I guess you had to be there-- and since I wasn't I won't comment any further. Glad it made a positive impact on the kids. I don't think anyone would say my kid wasn't tough, but that's still not the language he uses or heard at 12. I'm sure he hears it at 16, but so far not by his coaches or in his home.

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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:

And it's not just baseball that I'm worried about.

Uh oh.

I think you are way off base. The kids I see today work much harder with higher expectations in both academics and athletics. I am sure you walked 10 miles to school up hill - both ways. Give me a break.

Of course the statement doesn't fit EVERY kid out there. But overall, I agree completely with TRhit (and with Gotwood)

We live in a world of entitlement. Everyone thinks they're supposed to get a fair shake. Every thinks they DESERVE what everyone else has. The YMCA mentality of "everyone gets a trophy" is not good, in my mind.

I can guarantee you my youth and school baseball coaches had no idea who my parents were. That isn't the case today.

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"Uh oh."

Relax justbaseball...I said I wasn't worried about you. Right?

"I think he's not worried about justbaseball."......"Yeah, that's right. I think he's more concerned by that menacing looking red bird staring at his next victim. The one perched under papi's name."

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This isn't too difficult to imagine...what if all electronic devices were to fail at one time? How many of our youngsters would know how to cope if that occurs?

At least us old timers remember the days when these devices weren't around and lots of stuff was accomplished with lesser tools or manually. Our almost total reliance on electronic devices concerns me.

Some sort of calamity that could disable electronic devices is likely not to happen, but the possibility is nonetheless real. And if it were to occur it sure would be reassuring to know that we are capable of going forward without the help of those gadgets.

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gotwood,
I don't want to be disrespectful but you and tr have nearly 40000 posts on this website dependent on various electric devices...

Also I have heard many people of older less technologically fit ages complain about how difficult it is to adjust to the NEW BREED's ways. Yet, I don't hear many "youngsters" complain the other way around when the chance comes around.

One thing needs to be recognized, we are all biased on this topic and I'm sure the "breeds" before you felt the same way.

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This website I am not concerned about. If it were to go away tomorrow I would survive. When my laptop wouldn't behave for a long stretch recently I got interested in doing crossword puzzles. I used a dictionary (the book kind) for assistance. Just like 'old times'...it was fun.

I was amazed to learn that there are some young men who drive and do not know how to change a tire properly. I made sure I taught my two sons the correct way after this revelation. I assumed they knew, but they didn't know all of the steps in proper sequence. Two down...untold hundreds of thousands to go!

And I agree that each generation is different, that's the way it has been and that's the way it will remain. What concerns me is the near total reliance on devices that are fallible or vulnerable.

Here's an example. Even though this happened to an older couple it could happen to any one at any age. They totally relied on their electronic gadget and it almost killed them.

And here's another example. This episode did not have a happy ending like the one above. In this case they evidently relied on a paper map and not their GPS. I have worked in this area and may have very well driven on the same roads. And I know what could have saved the husband's life. After their fuel was exhausted I am under the impression that he burned the tires after taking them off their car to attract attention by creating thick black smoke. That's a good idea...that's thinking.

But it didn't work...they weren't spotted. They should have lit a tree on fire...a pitchy snag (dead tree). The surrounding forest is full of them. That snag would burn for days and send a beacon of smoke high into the air. A spotter in an aircraft, seeing smoke in the wintertime near a wilderness, would have instantly known it was them. Something that simple, and absolutely low tech, would have saved the husband's life.

It seems to me if there are some young men who do not know how to change a tire they likely wouldn't think to light up a snag to save their life. This concerns me.

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Originally posted by smalltownmom:
At 12u "too many wussies with a P" is inappropriate language. Honestly, I don't think my son would have known what that was-- and I am not naive. I agree that too much xbox and whining is not a good thing-- fortunately have never had to deal with it from either child-- but I would mark that school off of our list if a coach talked like that to my 12u.

I hope the old breed doesn't live to insult and hurt feelings. You can teach constructively in a positive manner. Sure, the truth needs to be told, and sometimes it might be ugly-- but I find positive criticism can get positive effects-- and respect at the same time. Don't really see what's wrong with feeling good about yourself and others: it breeds an atmosphere for success.

I hate to tell you this, but many coaches talk like this. They do not in front of the moms because they know there will be a negative reaction.

The overall point though is true -- msny kids have been babied and need to toughen up. Normally yelling does not help, but I have found that taking away playing time, running or other physical exertion can be an excellant motivator for a boy that fails to do what he is told. Helps the boy focus.

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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
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And it's not just baseball that I'm worried about.

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Gotwood and TR;

If the electronic communications "breaks down", I have boat ready for my journey to the "outback" in Australia from San Francisco.

WED, I watched a high school game and everyone was "texting" no one talking.

2 players collided in right field and no communication.

Bob

"Wussies with a P" is inappropriate for a 12 year old? Not in my world. I wouldn't have cared if he said the P-word itself. That's not exactly strong stuff, IMO.

And I agree with the coach's sentiment. In college ball, toughness carries a kid a long, long way. Too rare and way underrated.

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"WED, I watched a high school game and everyone was 'texting' no one talking.

2 players collided in right field and no communication."

It's sad isn't it?

As we all sprint forward with high tech devices, I think it would be prudent to teach the younger generation the things in the past which are relevant and effective...worthy of carrying forward. Don't lose them...use them! It's almost as if we are becoming untethered to the real world with our reliance on some of these gadgets.

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Didn't I see trhit and gotwood on a recent episode of doomsday preppers?

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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
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This website I am not concerned about. If it were to go away tomorrow I would survive. When my laptop wouldn't behave for a long stretch recently I got interested in doing crossword puzzles. I used a dictionary (the book kind) for assistance. Just like 'old times'...it was fun.
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1 Across: Poster who YELLS IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS
1 Down: Poster who creates elaborate pictures and stories to make great points
2 Across: Poster who has no creativity or imagination and simply copies 1 Across and 1 Down

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"Didn't I see trhit and gotwood on a recent episode of doomsday preppers?"

Doomsday®? No way! TR and I stick with Furmano's®...no question!


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And you can bet we don't use this to get at 'em...


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The ol' standby is the only way to go...




"Well TR, are you ready for some Furmano's®?"......"Yup. Pass me a twig so I can get 'em outta' the can."

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Those are good papi! How 'bout this one...

2 down: Poster who hates 'rainbow throws'...and 'Chinook tosses' drive him nuts. And, oh, I nearly forgot...moms don't like him.

THE OLD PHARTS TODAY DO NOT KNOW HOW TO DISABLE 'CAPS LOCK' ENOUGH !!!!!



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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
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This isn't too difficult to imagine...what if all electronic devices were to fail at one time? How many of our youngsters would know how to cope if that occurs?

At least us old timers remember the days when these devices weren't around and lots of stuff was accomplished with lesser tools or manually. Our almost total reliance on electronic devices concerns me.

Some sort of calamity that could disable electronic devices is likely not to happen, but the possibility is nonetheless real. And if it were to occur it sure would be reassuring to know that we are capable of going forward without the help of those gadgets.

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Ever been in a business office when the "Network" goes down? It's complete zombie time. Noone knows what to do. Mouths agape, confused and blank stares abound. Hysterical.

got wood---- sorry but it happens with one good arm and one eye

like to rake


for the 70 years of my life it has been the right one

So, if you say things but not in front of a woman, does that make it okay to say? Sometimes should people think if I can't say it in mixed company, perhaps I shouldn't say it? Our society is degenerating and our youth if you stop to listen have atrociously foul mouths. That's because our generation allows it. I guarantee you your grandparents all communicated effectively throughout their lives and certainly didn't drop F bombs routinely. I bet that word never crossed my grampa's lips, nor my fathers and they were excellent men. My son is corrected by me on a regular basis as are his friends when in my home. That tells me their own parents haven't taught them appropriate communication in the presence of adults, women or men.

The average kid is not as tough, but that is a natural regression that is unlikely to change.

My pet peeve is a four letter word: FAIR
When I hear that something is not fair, I jump on the kid. If you are concerned with things wanting to be fair, you are in for an disappointing life.

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Originally posted by HVbaseballDAD:
I think you are way off base. The kids I see today work much harder with higher expectations in both academics and athletics.

That matches my experience.

Academics in HS were easier 40 years ago.
I excelled academically while doing the bulk of my homework in study halls.
Advanced placement classes didn't exist.
I didn't know any baseball players who worked on their game during the winter months, though that may have been different in warm states.

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"got wood---- sorry but it happens with one good arm and one eye."

I UNDERSTAND BUDDY, THE SAME THING HAPPENS TO ME EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE!!!!!

Seriously...I hope all is well with you. And I am thankful that this darn contraption has allowed us to become sigh burr friends. Take care TR and as the youngsters say...PIECE SHOUT?

"I dunno' what it means gotwood. You have a guess?"......"Well TR, me thinks it may have something to do with either a board game or a stubborn grass stain...likely both."

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"Ever been in a business office when the 'Network' goes down? It's complete zombie time. No one knows what to do. Mouths agape, confused and blank stares abound. Hysterical."

Zombie time? Really? Wow...that sounds like more fun than going to the Saturday matinee motion picture show at the Coliseum Theater! Mouths agape, confused, blank stares...abounding? Barrel o' monkeys! I gotta' see this!

Tell me luv baseball...what would be the best time to catch this show? Does this 'Network' thing you refer to tumble all the way down or just partially. Would I be able to give it a swift kick to get it to go on the fritz? And how soon do the blank stares abound after this thing takes a dive? I gotta' find myself one of those business offices.

This'll be good! I think there's one around here somewhere...





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1-working hard or harder does not translate into tougher,either physically or mentally.
2-Son,college freshman,constantly complains of whiners and to use that word,wussies with a p in dugout. Son says players in question are real good players and work hard but when things dont go their way,the complaining starts. Son might be a little biased though since he has fought and clawed for everything he has gotten in baseball including starting job.

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I admire your screen name...you fit right in here with the rest of us old timers on this thread!

By the way...you raised your son right.




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TR and Gotwood

What are your favorite memories of this park and players?

On the Reds team in the World Series w/ Red Sox, Johnny Bench was catching and Pedro Bourbon was pitching *I later meet Pedro in the locker room in Candelstick Park when I pitched BP for the Giants].

With a runner on 1b, the Red Sox batter bunted, Pedro went to field it and Johnny Bench stepped in front of Pedro blocking the potential erratic throw to 1b [Pedro was "off balanced when he position for the throw].

This prevented an error which would have moved the runner to 3b or scored. No record in the score book, but the players and coaches knew.

"Saved the game". They were "tough players". A different era!

Bob

PS: when we travel to Australia, the stories Dave LaRoche tells are "priceless".

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What are your favorite memories of this park and players?

Favorite memory of this park (Fenway)?

That would be the day I had this seat...

A few questions...

Is it a real problem?

Who is to blame?

Is it simple evolution?

Maybe people like Emily Post were all wrong?

To be a good baseball player don't you need to have the ability to adjust.

New Breed, Future Breed, Old Breed, Older Breed, Ancient Breed, don't they all have things in common.
When someone complains about whiners aren't they themselves being a whiner?

Anyone here who has never whined?

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Me? A little wine and a whole lot of dine!



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