I know your just having fun, but I think you've missed the point Bee. Whining and sniveling from a frustrated commish in the Big 10 is what caused this mess. Why? Because the weather down south is better for baseball. Always will be.
Your plenty smart to know that the stupidity of the NCAA isn't going to change anything in your favor. In the end the new start date is not going to give the northern schools any edge when it comes down to competing. They're still going to have to travel south and west to play the best, then go back up north and play the rest.
I agree with TR. This is much ado about nada.
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Now you've gone and done it TR...Let's hope to God that the Woodman doesn't see this...
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Now you've gone and done it TR...Let's hope to God that the Woodman doesn't see this...
quote:Why do you have your shorts in a knot ?
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spizz - I tend to agree. It may account for some early season games being more evenly matched but I don't believe the new rules will change attitudes from wanting to play in the warm-weather climates.
The ironic thing here is the biggest voice in all this (from what I have read) was Ohio State. It is interesting that one of their chief competitors (Minnesota) had the advantages of a domed stadium so I wonder if it was all about making things more competitive between northern and southern/western schools?
The ironic thing here is the biggest voice in all this (from what I have read) was Ohio State. It is interesting that one of their chief competitors (Minnesota) had the advantages of a domed stadium so I wonder if it was all about making things more competitive between northern and southern/western schools?
"Let's hope to God that the Woodman doesn't see this..."
Not only will he see it, but he'll probably raise ya!
Not only will he see it, but he'll probably raise ya!
Is it me or is it just the warm weather school fans who are complaining?
My son went to a warm weather school and they started just a few weeks prior to the new dates---they also pracrice on their own , don't ever forget that--he went back to school before New Years to meet the team and work out together before official practice began
If they want it there are ways and means to make it work, in both the academics and athletics aspects
And yes it would be nice to see a level field--Northern Schools going south and playing teams that have not already played 20 games
My son went to a warm weather school and they started just a few weeks prior to the new dates---they also pracrice on their own , don't ever forget that--he went back to school before New Years to meet the team and work out together before official practice began
If they want it there are ways and means to make it work, in both the academics and athletics aspects
And yes it would be nice to see a level field--Northern Schools going south and playing teams that have not already played 20 games
Spizz, IS DAT A WEDGIE???
And PEE WEE is a starter what school???
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Wedgie U.
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Wedgie U.
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quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
And yes it would be nice to see a level field--Northern Schools going south and playing teams that have not already played 20 games
The weather will never allow a level field. In general, the best baseball players are in the warm weather states...just like the best hockey players are in the colder weather states. Warm weather kids are not likely to travel north now, en masse as a result of this rule change, to truly level the playing field. Ain't gonna happen.
TOSU ("The" Ohio State University as they like to call themselves) was a major proponent of this change. Like Bee>'s son, the best players in TOSU's backyard will often continue to prefer to travel south where the other best players reside for their college baseball experience.
BTW, when are they going to build us some college hockey rinks? How about limiting scholarship numbers in hockey for northern schools...just so we can "level the ice" so to speak?
not so fast there ... smart guys say Cal & Fla will be underwater, and SW un-inhabitablequote:byszlpp: I think you've missed the point Bee. Whining and sniveling from a frustrated commish in the Big 10 is what caused this mess. Why? Because the weather down south is better for baseball. Always will be.
Bee,
Right, and you guys up north will still be better at hockey than baseball. LOL.
Right, and you guys up north will still be better at hockey than baseball. LOL.
The NCAA can make all the moronic rule changes it wants to - it will hurt lots of kids - as most of the changes are idiotic and intended only to advance the NCAA political agenda.
But it still isnt powerful enough to mess with the Southern schools control over NCAA baseball.
Too much money involved. If you think the Southern schools are going to just lay down and die on these issues - you are sadly mistaken.
NCAA will lose.
But it still isnt powerful enough to mess with the Southern schools control over NCAA baseball.
Too much money involved. If you think the Southern schools are going to just lay down and die on these issues - you are sadly mistaken.
NCAA will lose.
I believe that Miles Brand hates baseball. Could he do any more to mess up college baseball. I guess when the sport doesn't line his pockets with cash, he has little use for it. I recall a thread that indicated that Congress had asked the NCAA to come forth and testify about all their money. What ever happen to that hearing? I wish the student-athletes would organize and stand up to this dictator. Where are all the union organizers when you need them?
With the compressed schedule, academic requirements, limited scholarship opportunities, I think I will by my son a lacrosse stick.
With the compressed schedule, academic requirements, limited scholarship opportunities, I think I will by my son a lacrosse stick.
justbaseball
I respectfully disagree regarding your statement that "in general the best players come from the warm states"---they have one advantage, more on field experience but I do not think that necessarily makes them better---what it does is give the warm weather states more pitchers with arms that closer to breaking down as they are not fresh
I respectfully disagree regarding your statement that "in general the best players come from the warm states"---they have one advantage, more on field experience but I do not think that necessarily makes them better---what it does is give the warm weather states more pitchers with arms that closer to breaking down as they are not fresh
My son is a frosh pitcher at a high academic D1 northern school. In the big ten conference they played 4 game weekend series with a DH on Saturday. He was a weekend starter. They also played a midweek game that involved very little travel. He usually travelled to these games but his coaches were flexible with the weekend starters about making the trips if they had a test they would miss or needed treatment on their arm. But, they do take academics very seriously.
His school is also a quarter school and I would guess that they won't get nearly as long a break for reading week/finals and will play a game or two more over spring break. Our coach said the main difference will be one less trip south in Feb and no days off for the beach over spring break.
His school is also a quarter school and I would guess that they won't get nearly as long a break for reading week/finals and will play a game or two more over spring break. Our coach said the main difference will be one less trip south in Feb and no days off for the beach over spring break.
TR - We've faced plenty of very talented players from the NE and Midwest. I, myself, am from the midwest and some of my very favorite players are from there too (Ken Griffey Jr., Barry Larkin, Kevin Youkilis).
On this question of where do the majority of the best players come from?, all we have is our respective opinions at this point...unless someone has done a statistical analysis to put the question to rest.
I'll still bet on my statement being correct. JMHO.
On this question of where do the majority of the best players come from?, all we have is our respective opinions at this point...unless someone has done a statistical analysis to put the question to rest.
I'll still bet on my statement being correct. JMHO.
A few years back, there was a comparison between college baseball programs in the 80's to college baseball programs around the year 2000. In the 80's, about 5% of the baseball programs in D1 operated "in the black". By the turn of the century, the number had risen to about 25%.
You don't have to be a genius to figure out that the profitable programs were in the SEC, ACC, Big-12 and PAC-10. These are also the programs that are losing weekend dates in late January and early february. The potential monetary loss for each of them could exceed 100,000 per season. (3 weekends, 3 games per weekend, 2500 paying tickets, $5.00 a pop).
We'll have to live with the uniform start date for a couple years, but sufficient momentum to change it back will surface as the monetary returns don't float in as before and the financial impact is felt. I don't think it will last (sorry TOSU).
You don't have to be a genius to figure out that the profitable programs were in the SEC, ACC, Big-12 and PAC-10. These are also the programs that are losing weekend dates in late January and early february. The potential monetary loss for each of them could exceed 100,000 per season. (3 weekends, 3 games per weekend, 2500 paying tickets, $5.00 a pop).
We'll have to live with the uniform start date for a couple years, but sufficient momentum to change it back will surface as the monetary returns don't float in as before and the financial impact is felt. I don't think it will last (sorry TOSU).
Somewhere on hsbbw someone mentioned that 70% of MLB pitchers were from North of the Mason Dixon line. Is that factual??
Probably not .... particularly in D1.
The big 4 states for baseball and baseball recruiting are California, Florida, Texas and Georgia.
Once you get to the "bigs" then the distribution probably reflects population density. I'd hate to take on the project of proving that though. Not enough time (or interest).
The big 4 states for baseball and baseball recruiting are California, Florida, Texas and Georgia.
Once you get to the "bigs" then the distribution probably reflects population density. I'd hate to take on the project of proving that though. Not enough time (or interest).
HHH,
A few years back - I did a quick analysis of draftees (since the inception of the draft) - and state population.
It was pretty much as you say - highly correlated to population.
A few years back - I did a quick analysis of draftees (since the inception of the draft) - and state population.
It was pretty much as you say - highly correlated to population.
TR,
FYI, BA had a feature before the draft, state by state scouting reports.
Texas, California and Florida, had the most amount of scouting reports on players.
Does that mean they had the best prospects? Or that the population is so concentrated that there were more scouts to see prospects?
I agree with JB, weather will always be a factor. Even though the schools from the north will travel south and face teams that have not played 20 games before them, just teh fact that they have to travel gives them a disadvantage. JMO.
FYI, BA had a feature before the draft, state by state scouting reports.
Texas, California and Florida, had the most amount of scouting reports on players.
Does that mean they had the best prospects? Or that the population is so concentrated that there were more scouts to see prospects?
I agree with JB, weather will always be a factor. Even though the schools from the north will travel south and face teams that have not played 20 games before them, just teh fact that they have to travel gives them a disadvantage. JMO.