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The Robert Stock Experiment

T tbirds10+ posts
The Robert Stock Experiment has progressed to its second year in college and to date it has had mixed results.

Last year Stock wound up hitting .253 on the year after splitting time at catcher. He fluctuated from being the teams #3 hole hitter to being pinch hit for in the later innings. On the mound he had 14 appearances and ended with a 4.55 ERA.

After a lackluster spring he headed to the Cape where he proceeded to start at catcher for the All Star game, yet ended up with a .228 batting average and a 7.88 ERA in 8 innings pitched. Despite this, he ended up as Baseball America's #5 prospect in the cape league.

As for this season, he has started every game behind the dish, is batting .300, and has thrown 3 scoreless innings and struck out 7 in the process. Nice stats, no doubt, but for someone slated to be a 1st rounder in last years draft, they are certainly nothing to brag about.

Anyway, I have seen some videos, linked at the bottom, and I can see why he is a legitimate prospect, but I have no idea how this "experiment" is going to wind up. The talent is there, its obvious, but so far it hasn't been pieced together. What's going to happen to this young man, Baseball American's former Player of the Year?

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FutureBack.MomFutureBack.Mom1,000+ posts
I suspect that Robert's freshman numbers are related to his youth ... including his summer in the Cape. Here is a young man who is significantly younger than most of his teammates in college and in summer ball ... quite an adjustment, including the number of games played in a season. It is a big jump from high school.

Had Robert been drafted and signed out of high school, after completing his senior season, he would have been placed with other young rookie players in a league where the games are not usually played as intensively as at a D1 competitive program and where he would have received (lots of) attention to his development.

Hopefully he will continue to improve each season and that he will be the adult player that many have come to expect of a young man with all the talent he showed at an early age.
FungoFungoHighly Regarded and Beloved Old Timer
You have to tip your hat to the young man. He has accomplished more than any other player at his age. Will he be another first round pick when the time comes? He probably will ---- but even if he isn’t that in no way would make his past accomplishment less amazing. Whenever we read articles where writers project his future, we need to realize the unknown in projecting any player’s future. Robert’s future is fine. He should not read ---- or set his goals ------- or be held to a standard established by a Baseball America article where the writer’s main goal is to sell more paper.
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Midlo DadMidlo Dad10,000+ posts
To me this decision made a whole lot of sense once I realized exactly what was in front of the Stock family.

First of all, Robert was young for his grade. Had he gone the normal course, he would not have turned 18 until well into his freshman year.

Secondly, he had a chance to start college a year early, i.e., skip his senior year of HS.

Personally I would have a difficult time sending my kid into the pro life at age 17. That was one option the Stocks looked at and ultimately chose not to take.

The other option was to see HS through, then go to college for 3/4 years and go pro at age 20 or 21.

The way they did it, he can get 3/4 years of college done and go pro at age 19 or 20. And a USC degree ain't too shabby, either.

Seems to me this kid got the best of both worlds by excelling both on the field and in the classroom. More power to him.
HeyBatterHeyBatter1,000+ posts
Well, maybe I'm the only one, and I won't say this is/was a mistake but finishing in the normal course of events with high school is not such a bad thing and then going on to college, don't see how that would have hurt him.

He is several years younger than his college peers not just in terms of baseball, but also in academics and in social circumstances.

He has put all his proverbial eggs in this one basket and I really don't see the point of how much was gained.

Also, perhaps, USC wasn't the best choice. I'm an SC alum and a big fan of the program. They are in a big transition period, haven't been to the tournament in a while, people are already screaming for the coach to be fired and they are about a .500 team which is not well received by the Trojan faithful. With all this, perhaps a bit too much has been expected of Stock, putting aside the issues of his age.

College and those years and the maturing process are tough enough. Never have really understood this one at all.
TPMTPMHSBaseballweb Member since 2003
I don't understand why everyone picks apart this decision. Another webster told me he and his folks have been blasted on another site.

I think it was very wise, the draft is a c*ap shoot, he would have been drafted, no one knows where, being so young, all organizations do things differently. He could have spent a year in rookie, a year in low A, then another year in High A. That's not much fun, IMO, better to get your experience and at bats in college AND your education at the same time.

I think the naysayers (not here)about this young man have an issue, it's called jealousy.
M MTS100+ posts
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Originally posted by Bum:
I thought he should have definitely gone pro, but Robert and his family obviously thought differently. I admire his talent and courage to take a path not so often chosen.. I suspect Robert Stock will be just fine.


I think he made a good decision to leave Agoura HS one year early. He would have been Agoura's lone ace on a weaker team. He would have been over worked and, in all likelihood, would have injured himself.
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Rob KremerRob Kremer1,000+ posts
I don't know how any of us can second guess what the Stocks decided. We don't really know all the elements of the decision.

I've seen Robert play, and it is obvious he is a special talent. From everything I have heard and read, he is a terrific young man and his parents are terrific people. I admire the decision to go to college and pass up for now what would probably have been significant signing money.
MN-MomMN-MomHSBaseballWeb Owner
tbirds,

To be honest, you do seem to be trying to find the negatives. Lackluster? In Robert's freshman year, he was a 17-yr-old HS boy competing against players much older than himself at the DI level. Now this year, when he is still only the age of the average true freshman, "As for this season, he has started every game behind the dish, is batting .300, and has thrown 3 scoreless innings and struck out 7 in the process."

He is a nice young man from a fine family, who seems to have passed up a lot of money to go and play college baseball first. I'll put my money on Robert having a successful college baseball career, and going on to have some success in pro ball. I hope he makes it to MLB, though I'm not qualified to predict that.

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Midlo DadMidlo Dad10,000+ posts
MN-Mom, actually he is currently the age of the average high school senior! So to me, what he's accomplished so far is extraordinary.

For anyone to call his performance to date "lackluster" shows either some axe to grind or complete ignorance of the situation. How many high school juniors could have started in the PAC 10 and hit .250? Not many. Maybe just this one.

I don't know if he would have been abused as a pitcher at Agoura, but from what I've read it does appear that he sees himself in the Wieters mold -- catcher/hitter first, pitcher second. Moving on to USC allowed him to focus more on the catching/hitting development. Had he stayed in HS, he most certainly would've been more prominent as a pitcher. And though Wieters pulled off pitching while also catching, he was a closer. It's tough to excel as a catcher when your arm is dead tired from pitching 5-7 innings a day or two earlier.

Here's a kid who, two years younger than the average freshman, started and held his own against top college competition. Now, one year younger than the average freshman, he's showing tremendous progress. Who knows how this year will end up, or how much progress he'll show through the end of the 2009 season. But if he ended up following in Wieters' $6 million footsteps, it wouldn't surprise me.

And BTW, this kid has already proved he can hit with wood. I watched the AFLAC game on TV in 2006, and his bomb to just left of center (he bats lefty) proved that.
M MTS100+ posts
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Originally posted by Midlo Dad:
MN-Mom, actually he is currently the age of the average high school senior! So to me, what he's accomplished so far is extraordinary.

For anyone to call his performance to date "lackluster" shows either some axe to grind or complete ignorance of the situation. How many high school juniors could have started in the PAC 10 and hit .250? Not many. Maybe just this one.

I don't know if he would have been abused as a pitcher at Agoura, but from what I've read it does appear that he sees himself in the Wieters mold -- catcher/hitter first, pitcher second. Moving on to USC allowed him to focus more on the catching/hitting development. Had he stayed in HS, he most certainly would've been more prominent as a pitcher. And though Wieters pulled off pitching while also catching, he was a closer. It's tough to excel as a catcher when your arm is dead tired from pitching 5-7 innings a day or two earlier.

Here's a kid who, two years younger than the average freshman, started and held his own against top college competition. Now, one year younger than the average freshman, he's showing tremendous progress. Who knows how this year will end up, or how much progress he'll show through the end of the 2009 season. But if he ended up following in Wieters' $6 million footsteps, it wouldn't surprise me.

And BTW, this kid has already proved he can hit with wood. I watched the AFLAC game on TV in 2006, and his bomb to just left of center (he bats lefty) proved that.


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