tips for hitting with more power

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Originally posted by bbscout:
I don't even know what wrist flicking is. He may mean something else.

I know that you still swing the bat, so here is something I would like you to try. Get in the box and then go through the start of your swing in slow motion. get to the point where you have taken your stride and your hips and shoulders are opened up most of the way, but your hands and bathead are still back. Stop there and then just swing the bat and see how much bat speed you can supply. You would not be using your hips, as they have already opened. If I was standing 20 feet in front of you, you would take my head off with a line drive. That is the extra that the hands,wrists and arms can supply.

You can read my post above. It is the one you disagreed with. What it shows is that the hands, wrists and arms have a lot of value when hitting a baseball and they supply a portion of the power, along with guidence. Try the drill and then if you still think that they don't supply power, I will then know that you have a powerless swing.

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Originally posted by bbscout:
I could put my hips in a vise and still hit the ball hard.

Can you put your hips in a vice in the batters box against a pitcher and still hit it hard with your arms?

No. Why? Because you lose your ability to adjust. The arms/hands can not make quality adjustments once they've committed to an area.

In about .01-.02 seconds a hitter predicts where the ball will be and where to swing. He then begins his swing. A good hitter begins this swing with a connected unit that rotates and brings the barrel to the ball as one unit. The hands/arms etc are simply part of the unit. Nothing acts independently. If he's on time and on plane he'll knock the **** out of the ball.

However, when fooled, he can break down and let the hands go if he needs to and hopefully punch out a single. Pujols has been doing alot of this lately. Getting fooled, taking horrible swings, still punching singles to the opposite field.

I suppose hand strength helps him in these instances. But, my point is and always has been, in the good swing, hand strength is overrated. The body is a unit in the good swing.

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Originally posted by bbscout:
...What it shows is that the hands, wrists and arms have a lot of value when hitting a baseball...

It does not. Your drill is so far from a real swing it has no value.

Your arm drill results have no relationship to a connected unit swing's results.

Just as the arm wrestler, who has very strong hands and forearms and can't hit, demonstrates little about a swing, so does your drill. It is so far from a real swing that it has no value.

For the sake of getting away from this drill and moving on to a real swing, I'll acknowledge that with completly opened hips and torso that your arms can still hit a ball 200 feet. Is that what you want to hear? There. You have it.

Now, let's talk about a real swing and the value of the parts in a real swing.

Of course, the whloe body working well provides the best swing, but you are missing the point. The point is that the hands, wrists and arms supply some of the power, and I gave you a drill to do that can prove that to you if you are willing to have an open mind. If not, you will have a powerless swing.

The drill I asked you to do is not against live pitching, it is done with a tee or soft toss, just as I would not ask you to put your hips in a vise and then face live pitching.

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Originally posted by Teacherman:

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Originally posted by bbscout:
I could put my hips in a vise and still hit the ball hard.

Can you put your hips in a vice in the batters box against a pitcher and still hit it hard with your arms?

No. Why? Because you lose your ability to adjust. The arms/hands can not make quality adjustments once they've committed to an area.

In about .01-.02 seconds a hitter predicts where the ball will be and where to swing. He then begins his swing. A good hitter begins this swing with a connected unit that rotates and brings the barrel to the ball as one unit. The hands/arms etc are simply part of the unit. Nothing acts independently. If he's on time and on plane he'll knock the **** out of the ball.

However, when fooled, he can break down and let the hands go if he needs to and hopefully punch out a single. Pujols has been doing alot of this lately. Getting fooled, taking horrible swings, still punching singles to the opposite field.

I suppose hand strength helps him in these instances. But, my point is and always has been, in the good swing, hand strength is overrated. The body is a unit in the good swing.

Let me ask you a question......why is it than when we tested the best high school juniors in the country that the kids that had the best grip strength also had the most power? Some of them were very surprising, as they were not big and did not look real strong, but they had very strong hands.

Pujols having a tough time right now has very little to do with his swing mechanics. He has been outstanding for 4 years and the other teams have been searching for ways to get him out. They have come up with a few things and are messing with his timing and as a result have messed with his confidence. His job is to find a game plan to counter what they are doing. All great hitters make adjustments and that is why they are great.

Wow, a lot has happened on here since I last checked. Teacherman, you don't have a clue about baseball and I truely believe that. If you are teaching kids to hit I don't want them. Yes, a lot of swings have their hands "outside the ball" in baseball terms. Learn the terminology, then start talking. There are a lot of factors that make for a good, powerful swing. I happed to have just used the wrists because I felt like it. Good hip rotation, hands inside the ball and good wrist action at the point of contact are three of the keys ones. I know what I'm talking about because I know how to swing. I could teach you a few things but you're not willing to learn. "Hands along for the ride." Nope!, try again.

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Originally posted by bbscout:
Of course, the whloe body working well provides the best swing, but you are missing the point. The point is that the hands, wrists and arms supply some of the power...

Strength of the hands, arms, and wrists, or the hands arms and wrists?

Of course, a stronger player will have more power than a less stronger player. But not because he uses his hands more.

And definately not because he flicks his wrists.

Scout, at least set LaTx in his place.

Teach, You started the arguement with LaTex. You need to finish it yourself. Heck......I am still trying to get you to do a drill that you don't want to do.

ok wait a minute, I thought this was a discussion that was to help me to hit the ball with more power, not to argue!!!!!!!!!

Here's your answer. Learn to swing the bat, no matter what pitch location, so that it remains perpendicular to your spine. If you can do that, you've got a great start toward good bat quickness and good bat speed.

This video clip may help you.



Here is the contact frame

The hands and wrists and arms only role is to form an allignment such that the power of the body's rotation is delivered through them efficiently. They do not actively apply force to the handle. Force is applied through them with proper connection by the rotation of the body. And, it helps for the hands to be strong to deal with this force.

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This to me sounds like throwing a change-up as a pitcher. Good arm speed and rotation, but no wrist action to help supply the final force. No doubt that all components of the swing need to be properly timed but quick hands and wrists are invaluable as a hitter. Watch how late the bat head goes theough the zone for a great hitter and you will develop an appreciation for the late wrist action.

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If you don't believe it why can't you check all swings?? Because the bat is going so fast the hands can't stop it.

If this is true, how could anyone ever stop their swing to check it?

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... but quick hands and wrists are invaluable as a hitter. Watch how late the bat head goes theough the zone for a great hitter and you will develop an appreciation for the late wrist action....

As Coach May says, I tell it like it is.

This is poppeycock!

"Quick wrists" is the standard line used by all coaches who don't know WTF is really going on.

You've heard it many times, "Hank Aaron had the quickest wrists I've ever seen". Hogwash. The people saying that just don't know what he's doing that gives that appearance.

Finally...."Watch how late the bathead goes through the zone for a great hitter." Sorry, but if he's a great hitter, the bathead went through the zone on time.

Look at this....



If the wrists are so important, can you explain why the bat blurs (from moving so fast) while it's still behind her head??????

I want you to get your video camera out. I want you to set up in your stance and use your wrists and duplicate this "early" blur. Please post the clip.

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Originally posted by bbscout:
Of course, the whloe body working well provides the best swing, but you are missing the point. The point is that the hands, wrists and arms supply some of the power...

Simply put - and easily understood.
No blurring bats behind the head - no answers in question form - no wrist-flicking diversions.

Just a simple - and accurate - description that clearly makes the point IMO.

Teach,

If you throw up a video of David Blaine levitating (without the wrist action) - I give up.

LOL

Again, Teacherman teaches and all should listen and learn......Except for Trhit, he doesn't need to learn this stuff 'cause he doesn't need to know anything about hitting......And, he's making sure he doesn't.....

Louisiana Texan, you're light years behind....Try to catch up with us, will you?

Doggie,

Not only was that a wonderful contribution, but you somehow managed to slip in a slam against TR smoothly and efficiently.

You get a bone - dog. LOL

P.S. - Your time would be better spent working the advertising angle. LOL - PNS

Did you hear something Blue Dog?

Actually I can smell it better than I can hear it.

The "smell" thing is the only response you fellas have left in your marketing bag when it comes to me. And you poor suckers know it. LOL

But - ultimately - it just wont get it done - so please - be nice - use only one ID - and try to make some sense.

That will serve you all better in the long run - IMO.


LOL

Teach - the "blur" behind the head.

I love it baby. You are the best. LOL

Lets stay on point Teach.

Do this:

Take one of your claymation robots. Give the robot a "wrist - arm - hand strength factor" of 7.

Then copy and paste that exact claymation robot - but bump up the "wrist - arm - hand strength factor" to 9.

Then watch the claymation movies that ensue.

Then - just shut up and try some other topic - because this one aint working for you.

Sniff, sniff......

With the exception of the dog "sniffs" - the silence is deafening - and appropriate. LOL

Where you been blue dog?

He's been in your cyber backyard - teach. LOL

Now - switch.

Interesting discussion-- a scout who has been in the business for years and is quite well respected in the baseball world ( yes I have checked him out)and "pizza man" who can't tell us who he has helped (I tried to check him out but nobody knows who he is)

I know who I listen to and who I want my kids to listen to

As for Blue Dog and his snipe at me--that is all he can do is snipe-- no substance no nothing

They both follow gurus

I listen to "baseball men" not shills

Goodnight Gracie!!!!

Nice p issing match fellows.

It’s hard to believe in this day and age of video that someone still believes that, “Flicking the wrist” is the key source of power. It’s even harder to believe that others defend it.

If you want to drive the ball, rotate and use your body parts in unison. If you get fooled, flick your wrists and make contact but don’t expect the ball to go anywhere.

Look, I'm going to replace "flicking the wrists" with "good quick wrist action." It still means the exact same thing to me but may clear up some confusion with others. I'm reading these posts and wondering if TMan or BDog or whoever else actually played baseball. I find it hard to believe that they did because if you have ever swung a bat, you would know the answers. Of course, maybe they played and couldn't hit very well so they actually don't know. Either way, you're wrong. Hey, why do you think a lot of pro players have their pinky and ring finger off the bat when they swing? It's the power guys that do this because it helps give them more leverage to get those wrists through quickly. (Swing a bat like this and you'll see what I'm talking about).

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Originally posted by Teacherman:

quote:

... but quick hands and wrists are invaluable as a hitter. Watch how late the bat head goes theough the zone for a great hitter and you will develop an appreciation for the late wrist action....

I Coach May says, I tell it like it is.

This is poppeycock!

"Quick wrists" is the standard line used by all coaches who don't know WTF is really going on.

You've heard it many times, "Hank Aaron had the quickest wrists I've ever seen". Hogwash. The people saying that just don't know what he's doing that gives that appearance.

Finally...."Watch how late the bathead goes through the zone for a great hitter." Sorry, but if he's a great hitter, the bathead went through the zone on time.

Look at this....



If the wrists are so important, can you explain why the bat blurs (from moving so fast) while it's still behind her head??????

I want you to get your video camera out. I want you to set up in your stance and use your wrists and duplicate this "early" blur. Please post the clip.

I wonder if the camera is just not that great in the clip of the young girl? The reason I ask, is that there is no blur in the clip of Barry Bonds. Does the girl have more batspeed than Barry?

Does this make you feel better??



One complete blur.

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Originally posted by LouisianaTexan:
Look, I'm going to replace "flicking the wrists" with "good quick wrist action." It still means the exact same thing to me but may clear up some confusion with others. I'm reading these posts and wondering if TMan or BDog or whoever else actually played baseball. I find it hard to believe that they did because if you have ever swung a bat, you would know the answers. Of course, maybe they played and couldn't hit very well so they actually don't know. Either way, you're wrong. Hey, why do you think a lot of pro players have their pinky and ring finger off the bat when they swing? It's the power guys that do this because it helps give them more leverage to get those wrists through quickly. (Swing a bat like this and you'll see what I'm talking about).

Because they turn the direction of the knob and they don't do it with their wrists, moron.

Study a little bit.

BTW, I played and still play. And, I hit.

And, you've got the same challenge I gave hsballcoach. Get out your video camera. Create the comedy entitled...."I'm trying to make my bat blur behind my head using my wrists"

It will be funny.

TEACH

Can we have your guru's link one more time-- claymation tells it all

Please -the link for the newbies --and do we get incense free when we honor the Grail of the Guru?

TR,

Why are you talking about "claymation" when Teach is posting real people including your personal hero Barry to make his point?

TR, do you agree that hitters generate a lot of their power by flicking their wrists. Do you think Barry is doing this in the real video supplied by Teach?

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Originally posted by Teacherman:
Does this make you feel better??



One complete blur.

No blur behind the head like the young girl has.

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Originally posted by bbscout:

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Originally posted by Teacherman:
Does this make you feel better??



One complete blur.

No blur behind the head like the young girl has.

See what you want to see. Clearly the bat disappears while it's still behind his head.

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Originally posted by TRhit:
TEACH

Can we have your guru's link one more time-- claymation tells it all

Please -the link for the newbies --and do we get incense free when we honor the Grail of the Guru?

Are you still a moderator here?

MN-Mom.............DO YOUR JOB!!!!!!!

TR knows nothing about hitting a baseball. Yet, he is allowed to interfere with those who do by continually offering personal attacks.

I can take the personal attack when I'm discussing a topic with someone who is knowledgeable or offering substance to the discussion. In fact, I have offered a few of those attacks. Usually, we each can defend ourselves. This exchange between bbscout and myself is a good example. No hard feelings. Mutual respect even though we disagree passionately. He's not offended by it. Neither am I.

But, TR has never offered any substance to discussions on throwing or hitting.

In fact, his own words are "I leave that to my coaches".

Yet, he gets involved over and over and over and is given pass after pass after pass.

If all I did was attack people, you would have eliminated me long ago. That is all he does in discussions of hitting and throwing. You know, everyone knows I offer good substance to the subject. That is why I'm allowed here. You put up with my personality as long as it's within reason. DO THE SAME WITH THE SENILE.

I don't enter his world of recruiting and showcases. I know little about them.

Why is he allowed here??

I'm tired of PM's supporting me anonymously because you don't have the guts to stand up for what is right. You, who know who you are are needed. Tell the *** to keep his nose where it belongs. Show your face. Have some guts.

You continue to "herd" with the rest of them.

Pull the plug on this guy.

Even LaTx and hsballcoach offer something.

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Originally posted by bbscout:
Of course, the whloe body working well provides the best swing, but you are missing the point. The point is that the hands, wrists and arms supply some of the power...

IMO - BBscout's simple - yet accurate - statement bears repeating. It is not blurry. It is crystal clear actually LOL

All the rest of this stuff - is simply nonsensical diversion from the main point.

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Originally posted by Teacherman:

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Originally posted by LouisianaTexan:
Look, I'm going to replace "flicking the wrists" with "good quick wrist action." It still means the exact same thing to me but may clear up some confusion with others. I'm reading these posts and wondering if TMan or BDog or whoever else actually played baseball. I find it hard to believe that they did because if you have ever swung a bat, you would know the answers. Of course, maybe they played and couldn't hit very well so they actually don't know. Either way, you're wrong. Hey, why do you think a lot of pro players have their pinky and ring finger off the bat when they swing? It's the power guys that do this because it helps give them more leverage to get those wrists through quickly. (Swing a bat like this and you'll see what I'm talking about).

Because they turn the direction of the knob and they don't do it with their wrists, moron.

Study a little bit.

BTW, I played and still play. And, I hit.

And, you've got the same challenge I gave hsballcoach. Get out your video camera. Create the comedy entitled...."I'm trying to make my bat blur behind my head using my wrists"

It will be funny.

Nah - you never attack people. LOL

TEACH

You are too sensitive-- that wasnt a personal attack--just asking to post that link one more time for the newbies--

As for what I know or dont know about hitting, dont go there--you might not like what you find if we went one on one live in a cage with students. I get results not pictures and words

You have shown me nothing and apparently others are seeing "thru" you as well,

SBK--use his link and see what you find-- then get in my face.
Let me ask you this, if I am a moderator am I supposed to change my style--not on your life--I am me baby and I will always be me-- a title does not make me change ME

There is the difference in our thinking SBK-- I always remain true to myself --you don't-- you never will

That dont make you a bad guy either--