Good point, I have noticed that. it shows they only play one sport.
Wonder how many NBA players ever played baseball?
I know of one that played in PG events.
California just published the athletic participation numbers for 2016-17: overall sports participation is up, but football is down more than 6% over the last two years. Over the last decade boys playing HS football in California has changed:
- 2006-07: 108,000
- 2016-17: 97,000
Don't know about other states, but that is a big drop. https://twitter.com/evan_b/status/892443679255805952
Kyle Parker from Clemson.
PGStaff posted:Good point, I have noticed that. it shows they only play one sport.
Wonder how many NBA players ever played baseball?
I know of one that played in PG events.
How about the youngest player to hit a HR for the Blue Jays - Danny Ainge.
CaCO3Girl posted:JLC posted:I didn't realize that Jameis Winston played baseball, but I just looked him up and PG has him ranked nationally as #48. That isn't an elite level player? Was that poor projection?
Number 48 in the country, number 10 outfielder, and a PG score of 10 sounds like excellent projection. They also included a note on his account:
"Big Time QB prospect. Serious baseball tools. Outstanding at many PG events. PG All American Game"
Edited to say, yes I agree he was elite. He even made 1st team all American....but obviously he was better at football.
He played 2 years at FSU he washed out as an outfielder his freshman year and got moved to pitcher...then he quit to focus on football. Obviously the right move for him. Regardless of his talent, regardless of his PG rating he was nothing special at FSU. He wasn't elite....or he would have played 4 years and pitched more then 30 innings!
Maybe it shows how tough it is to do both but the number are what they are.
old_school posted:CaCO3Girl posted:JLC posted:I didn't realize that Jameis Winston played baseball, but I just looked him up and PG has him ranked nationally as #48. That isn't an elite level player? Was that poor projection?
Number 48 in the country, number 10 outfielder, and a PG score of 10 sounds like excellent projection. They also included a note on his account:
"Big Time QB prospect. Serious baseball tools. Outstanding at many PG events. PG All American Game"
Edited to say, yes I agree he was elite. He even made 1st team all American....but obviously he was better at football.
He played 2 years at FSU he washed out as an outfielder his freshman year and got moved to pitcher...then he quit to focus on football. Obviously the right move for him. Regardless of his talent, regardless of his PG rating he was nothing special at FSU. He wasn't elite....or he would have played 4 years and pitched more then 30 innings!
Maybe it shows how tough it is to do both but the number are what they are.
I read that as he didn't have time to get in all the batting practice he needed to stay sharp so they moved him to PO. Then, it wasn't as much fun for him because he missed being a position player and hitting so he took a long hard look at if it was worth it to stick with baseball, and it wasn't when he still could play a sport he loved.
I do not take it to mean he wasn't elite. Getting on the field for FSU would be the definition of Elite.
PGStaff posted:Good point, I have noticed that. it shows they only play one sport.
Wonder how many NBA players ever played baseball?
I know of one that played in PG events.
Pat Connaughton left the Orioles organization when he was drafted by the Blazers after senior year of basketball. He had signed with the Orioles after junior year.
Dave Debussure and Ron Reed played MLB and NBA at the same time. DeBussure gravitated to basketball. Reed gravitated to baseball. Chuck Connors played basketball and baseball at Seton Hall. He left college for MLB, left MLB for NBA, then returned to MLB.
Tony Gwynn played basketball and baseball at SDSU. He was drafted by the Clippers. He went to SDSU on a hoops scholarship. He started playing baseball soph year.
old_school posted:CaCO3Girl posted:JLC posted:I didn't realize that Jameis Winston played baseball, but I just looked him up and PG has him ranked nationally as #48. That isn't an elite level player? Was that poor projection?
Number 48 in the country, number 10 outfielder, and a PG score of 10 sounds like excellent projection. They also included a note on his account:
"Big Time QB prospect. Serious baseball tools. Outstanding at many PG events. PG All American Game"
Edited to say, yes I agree he was elite. He even made 1st team all American....but obviously he was better at football.
He played 2 years at FSU he washed out as an outfielder his freshman year and got moved to pitcher...then he quit to focus on football. Obviously the right move for him. Regardless of his talent, regardless of his PG rating he was nothing special at FSU. He wasn't elite....or he would have played 4 years and pitched more then 30 innings!
Maybe it shows how tough it is to do both but the number are what they are.
I mean he played 2 years football and 2 years baseball at FSU. He had 27IP his first year and 33IP his second year with a ERA of 1.95 over those 60IP. This is at FSU in the ACC conference, I would say that is pretty good! These are numbers with football being his primary focus, I am sure he would be elite in baseball if that was his primary focus. Other guys that come to mind that play/ed both sports in college Tori Hunter Jr., Kyler Murray, Tyler Chadwick, Russell Wilson, Jeff Samardzija, Matt Szczur, Toby Gerhart and Todd Helton. If you're a great athlete and show good time management skills, I believe coaches would be willing to let you play both sports. Especially if they feel like you would choose the sport they don't coach if you had to choose.
BigHurt posted:old_school posted:CaCO3Girl posted:JLC posted:I didn't realize that Jameis Winston played baseball, but I just looked him up and PG has him ranked nationally as #48. That isn't an elite level player? Was that poor projection?
Number 48 in the country, number 10 outfielder, and a PG score of 10 sounds like excellent projection. They also included a note on his account:
"Big Time QB prospect. Serious baseball tools. Outstanding at many PG events. PG All American Game"
Edited to say, yes I agree he was elite. He even made 1st team all American....but obviously he was better at football.
He played 2 years at FSU he washed out as an outfielder his freshman year and got moved to pitcher...then he quit to focus on football. Obviously the right move for him. Regardless of his talent, regardless of his PG rating he was nothing special at FSU. He wasn't elite....or he would have played 4 years and pitched more then 30 innings!
Maybe it shows how tough it is to do both but the number are what they are.
I mean he played 2 years football and 2 years baseball at FSU. He had 27IP his first year and 33IP his second year with a ERA of 1.95 over those 60IP. This is at FSU in the ACC conference, I would say that is pretty good! These are numbers with football being his primary focus, I am sure he would be elite in baseball if that was his primary focus. Other guys that come to mind that play/ed both sports in college Tori Hunter Jr., Kyler Murray, Tyler Chadwick, Russell Wilson, Jeff Samardzija, Matt Szczur, Toby Gerhart and Todd Helton. If you're a great athlete and show good time management skills, I believe coaches would be willing to let you play both sports. Especially if they feel like you would choose the sport they don't coach if you had to choose.
I forgot about Todd Helton. In his autobiography "Wherever I Wind Up" R.A. Dickey (who played at Tennessee with Helton) had a story about how Helton one day on his way to football practice stopped by the baseball field (must have been during fall practice), asked if he could take a few swings, hit about 5 bombs in 10 swings, said "see you guys in the Spring", and continued on his way to football practice. Dickey and the others were in awe of his talent.
2019Dad posted:California just published the athletic participation numbers for 2016-17: overall sports participation is up, but football is down more than 6% over the last two years. Over the last decade boys playing HS football in California has changed:
- 2006-07: 108,000
- 2016-17: 97,000
Don't know about other states, but that is a big drop. https://twitter.com/evan_b/status/892443679255805952
CTE study that just came out and NFL'ers bailing out early might be the crack in the NFL wall I have been predicting for about 5 years now. Soccer will face this challenge as well but not as much as football. In the next 20 years suburban football may disappear as parents stop allowing kids to participate. Football is on the way to being boxing in 1950's - too violent and talent will find safer options.
There is big money at stake but if baseball can woo black players away from football it is possible the game can be significantly improved. Imagine all the DB's, WR and backs that could be incredible baseball players a la Bo Jackson or Dieon Sanders. Somebody like Odell Beckham might have been the next Willie Mays.
Steve Sogge played QB and C at USC. He played in the Dodgers system. Freddie Mitchell played WR and OF at UCLA. He played for the Eagles. Kirk Gibson was an All American WR at Michigan State. His football coach suggested he try baseball. He played one year of college baseball.
Jack Leggett played football and baseball at Maine. He still holds the record for longest field goal. He was also an all conference defensive back. He was in infielder on a CWS baseball team.
BigHurt posted:old_school posted:CaCO3Girl posted:JLC posted:I didn't realize that Jameis Winston played baseball, but I just looked him up and PG has him ranked nationally as #48. That isn't an elite level player? Was that poor projection?
Number 48 in the country, number 10 outfielder, and a PG score of 10 sounds like excellent projection. They also included a note on his account:
"Big Time QB prospect. Serious baseball tools. Outstanding at many PG events. PG All American Game"
Edited to say, yes I agree he was elite. He even made 1st team all American....but obviously he was better at football.
He played 2 years at FSU he washed out as an outfielder his freshman year and got moved to pitcher...then he quit to focus on football. Obviously the right move for him. Regardless of his talent, regardless of his PG rating he was nothing special at FSU. He wasn't elite....or he would have played 4 years and pitched more then 30 innings!
Maybe it shows how tough it is to do both but the number are what they are.
I mean he played 2 years football and 2 years baseball at FSU. He had 27IP his first year and 33IP his second year with a ERA of 1.95 over those 60IP. This is at FSU in the ACC conference, I would say that is pretty good! These are numbers with football being his primary focus, I am sure he would be elite in baseball if that was his primary focus. Other guys that come to mind that play/ed both sports in college Tori Hunter Jr., Kyler Murray, Tyler Chadwick, Russell Wilson, Jeff Samardzija, Matt Szczur, Toby Gerhart and Todd Helton. If you're a great athlete and show good time management skills, I believe coaches would be willing to let you play both sports. Especially if they feel like you would choose the sport they don't coach if you had to choose.
So FSU plays approx. 60 games per season and a guy who pitches 1 inning every other game for 2 years and bats .235 is now considered elite?
IMO you need to be in the top 25% percent of players to be considered... elite is based on the competition, compared to HS players yes he was elite, maybe had he focused on baseball instead of both he would have proven to be elite in the ACC, however, with the path taken it is impossible to argue he was an elite baseball player in the ACC....that is an insult to every player who worked hard and out preformed him - and it seems obvious to me that list is a long list. Which takes me back to him not being an elite college baseball player at FSU.
Jameis had a slender build before his senior year in HS. I actually thought he looked kind of skinny. He could really run and throw. He was a high level baseball prospect back then, but even then he was rated the no. 1 or 2 Dual threat QBs in the nation. He went to FSU on a football scholarship which means football was top priority.
His body transformed greatly in just a couple years. To the point where he almost looked over weight. He gained a lot of strength, but also lost a lot of speed. He could still run with the football because he has great instincts. Football was fulltime, baseball part time. Pretty hard to argue about it, he was the first overall pick in the NFL draft.
Also Jameis was a joker and thrill seeker. He was just fun to be around because he was having so much fun. He did not lack for personality. Some of that probably led him to get in some trouble at Florida State.
Here is some video of Jameis in June between his junior and senior year of HS. You will notice a much different body type.
PGStaff posted:Jameis had a slender build before his senior year in HS. I actually thought he looked kind of skinny. He could really run and throw. He was a high level baseball prospect back then, but even then he was rated the no. 1 or 2 Dual threat QBs in the nation. He went to FSU on a football scholarship which means football was top priority.
His body transformed greatly in just a couple years. To the point where he almost looked over weight. He gained a lot of strength, but also lost a lot of speed. He could still run with the football because he has great instincts. Football was fulltime, baseball part time. Pretty hard to argue about it, he was the first overall pick in the NFL draft.
Also Jameis was a joker and thrill seeker. He was just fun to be around because he was having so much fun. He did not lack for personality. Some of that probably led him to get in some trouble at Florida State.
Here is some video of Jameis in June between his junior and senior year of HS. You will notice a much different body type.
PG you are spot on, it just shows the how difficult it is to do both at a top level in todays game...maybe it is close to not being possible. We will never know how good he could have been in baseball.
I do think we can agree he would have been a better baseball player if he hadn't played football!
Mark DeRosa, before his lengthy MLB career, started at QB and SS all three years in college at Penn, before being drafted after junior year.
Interesting data point: in Orange County, CA yesterday 50 baseball players signed NLIs. 2 of the 50 play football.
https://twitter.com/cespybaseb...s/928710073051787264
Times have changed.