Umpire Extraordinaire!

HRKB I agree with you 100%. I was at the game and what that umpire did was inexcusable. Fortunately it had no bearing on the outcome of the game but it could have.

Over the years I've seen many HS and summer umpires do things that make you wonder what is going on in their life outside of this situation at hand. That is an unbelievable situation. Very unfortunate.

Heard that bomb went over Peters Colony Blvd

This particular umpire did struggle throughout the night. He called a balk...that he retracted after coach questioning, he awarded an extra base on a ground rule double...that he retracted after coach questioning, the very curious ejection mentioned above was way out of line (typical HR congrats)...even though he had warned the FM guys earlier in the game about coming out of the dugout, he wouldn't allow players to ask him general questions about pitch location as they tried to establish a particular umpires strike zone..."if you say another word you're out". It was definitely all about him and not the game unfortunately. Thankfully it didn't have a bearing on the outcome of the game. FMHS was better in all phases of the game last night and deserved the big win...looking forward to April 6th...hopefully without this guy behind the plate.

C'mon Blue!!!

wait...wait...wait...

What did he do again? He threw out the starting pitcher because FM's batter hit a mile long homerun and the players came out of the dugout?

Anyone have a video of this?

That's comical (wouldn't be if that cost FM the game).

This guy should be banned from umpiring high school baseball (at any level). What an absolute joke.

quoting Marv Levy here...

You over officiacious jerk!!

Question? Will the UIL taking over TASO stop this kind of thing from happening. Will there be better training in place? Just wondering what you think.

No and No

Those Flo Mo kids need to quit teasing the Wal-Mart greeters during the day...ends up hurting the baseball team.

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Originally posted by Change Up:
No and No

I say no and no also. Just wondering how others felt about it..

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Originally posted by Dillon:
wait...wait...wait...

What did he do again? He threw out the starting pitcher because FM's batter hit a mile long homerun and the players came out of the dugout?

Anyone have a video of this?

That's comical (wouldn't be if that cost FM the game).

This guy should be banned from umpiring high school baseball (at any level). What an absolute joke.

I know I saw it with my own eyes, but not sure if it was captured on video tape. It is possible that it is on video since Champion Sports video tapes all Flower Mound home games and archives them. You might go to www.championsportsradio.com and see for yourself. I think I might take a look also. It happened in the bottom of the fifth.

Is it just me or are the Umpires trying to make a statement and take the game away from the kids. Saw another just plain bad call tonight. Are the real umpires on Strike or something?

I was going to say the same thing about the coaches. Do they think the game is about them and not the kids? I have seen horrendous coaching.

HFB / OA - u guys are right. There's collusion across the metroplex. Umps all agreed to make bad calls and coaches agreed to make decisions parents disagree with. They're all colluding to "take the game away from the kids."

They did it last yr too. And yr before that, and before that. We're finally onto them.

I had no idea this was going on. This is an outrage. I think the part that gets to me is their elaborate scheme to make us all believe that most coaches and umpires can't even balance their own checkbook. Then to find out they're capable of organizing this kind of mass conspiracy.

I heard next year they are meeting in Hot Springs, AR b/c the secret got out this year.

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Originally posted by HRKB:

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Originally posted by Dillon:
wait...wait...wait...

What did he do again? He threw out the starting pitcher because FM's batter hit a mile long homerun and the players came out of the dugout?

Anyone have a video of this?

That's comical (wouldn't be if that cost FM the game).

This guy should be banned from umpiring high school baseball (at any level). What an absolute joke.

I know I saw it with my own eyes, but not sure if it was captured on video tape. It is possible that it is on video since Champion Sports video tapes all Flower Mound home games and archives them. You might go to www.championsportsradio.com and see for yourself. I think I might take a look also. It happened in the bottom of the fifth.

I did go and watch the video and it's a joke that the player was ejected. It was a HR and a dead ball. He did nothing out of the ordinary. Let the players show some emotions!

I saw the video also. Is he really that moronic??? Really??!!?? Does anyone have a clue what he may have been thinking? The game reporters thought it could have been thought of as showing up the other team. Really??!!?? I don't know about that. I just hope his idiocy is not contagious. Most of the umping is bad enough as it is. Nothing personal "BLUE", but if you were sitting behind the plate watching, I think you would agree.

Why not watch the video once again and make these observations. At 1:21:54 the home plate umpire motions/orders the players off the field and back into the dugout, as is the rule. The umpire approaches the players on the field, still motioning them off the field, and gets between them and home plate. At 1:22:05 the FM pitcher, in defiance of the umpire, has ignored the order of the umpire and gives the player a "high-five". The FM pitcher was ejected for ignoring an umpires order. Umpires have control on the field and players need to recognize this. Whether agreed with or not the umpire was within his authority to impose the ejection due to the players actions.

bball37 - yea and Hitler, Castro, Stalin, and many other unreasonable people were all within their authority as well.

I have seen the video and the umpire was WAY out of line....

Hey Kemo Sabe,

To compare a baseball umpire to Hitler, Castro or Stalin really sums up your entire mentality. Those three are responsible for crimes against humanity and the umpire is guilty of enforcing a rule that a HIGH SCHOOL player deemed not important enough to follow.

Yea bball37 you're right and the other 99% of the people who either saw it in person or on video are wrong.

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Originally posted by Chief Nocahoma:
Yea bball37 you're right and the other 99% of the people who either saw it in person or on video are wrong.

Kemo Sabe you said it I didn't

We now have positive confirmation that bball37 is an umpire. Always right, never wrong, and unwilling to admit he made a mistake.

Sounds like a blonde haired General my father often spoke of.

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Originally posted by Chief Nocahoma:
We now have positive confirmation that bball37 is an umpire. Always right, never wrong, and unwilling to admit he made a mistake.

Sounds like a blonde haired General my father often spoke of.

I didn't realize Obama died his hair blonde ??? ok ok... I couldn't resist... Lord forgive me...

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Originally posted by Maverick0714:

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Originally posted by Chief Nocahoma:
We now have positive confirmation that bball37 is an umpire. Always right, never wrong, and unwilling to admit he made a mistake.

Sounds like a blonde haired General my father often spoke of.

I didn't realize Obama died his hair blonde ??? ok ok... I couldn't resist... Lord forgive me...

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Originally posted by Chief Nocahoma:
bball37 - yea and Hitler, Castro, Stalin, and many other unreasonable people were all within their authority as well.

I have seen the video and the umpire was WAY out of line....

I think this wins the moron post of the year award! congrats!!

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Originally posted by Dillon:

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Originally posted by Maverick0714:

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Originally posted by Chief Nocahoma:
We now have positive confirmation that bball37 is an umpire. Always right, never wrong, and unwilling to admit he made a mistake.

Sounds like a blonde haired General my father often spoke of.

I didn't realize Obama died his hair blonde ??? ok ok... I couldn't resist... Lord forgive me...

Maverick0714,

Now that's cold...calling me Obama. I'd rather be compared to Hitler, Castro or Stalin. jk

Issue: Umpire ejects a kid for breaking the rules and Dad is so upset he calls the umpire out by name. Dad is not upset with kid for blatantly disregarding umpires instructions.

Question: Why do NFHS safety rules exist? These rules do not exist in the Official Baseball Rules. Answer: Because those that should ensure proper player behavior do not.

Many on here may remember when teams would take a knee along the foul line, watching the opposing team take in and out. This practice is no longer aloud by the rules. Why? Kids talk smack, and the third baseman would let loose on his throw to first and “accidentally” hit the one being disrespectful, causing a fight.

This may surprise some, but little Jimmy does not always represent himself, his family or his team well. Gentlemen do not speak of things such as the sexual habits of the opposing pitchers Mother, but I have heard reference to such on the field.

Why would the umpire want to keep the kids back after a home run? Surely the celebrating team would not say anything unsportsmanlike about the pitcher or his family. Why do the rules state whenever team members are loosening up, another team member with a glove has to watch their back?

As a parent and coach, why is the safety of your children not your first concern? If your child was the bullpen catcher, with his back to the field, why would you not demand his protection? Why should this rule have to exist? Why, as a parent, do you not make your child take off all jewelry, because the wearing of jewelry is considered unsafe? Why, as a parent\coach, do you not insist your children stay in the dugout where they are considered to be safe? Why, as a parent\coach, do you not ensure the children do not have cracked helmets? Why are these things left to the umpire to enforce?

Picked my son up from practice one day and the coach says;” all left handers over here, I’m going to show you how to balk in a two man system.” Why would a coach teach cheating in lieu of fundamentals? If a fight would have broke out, you would be posting that the umpire did not prevent the fight by keeping everyone in the dugout. If I ever flipped off a pitcher after striking out (as posted in the 15-4A thread) my Father would have built a boot factory up my a$$.

My opinion: The issue should not be that the umpire ejected the kid, but why his Father has not taught him respect for authority and respect for the game. Insulting someone from the comfort of ones lounge chair is far worse judgment than what this umpire displayed. I don’t expect anyone to agree with me, but I would like for you to think about why the umpire is to enforce things you, as a parent are not willing to enforce. At least think about it.

Blindguy,

Great first post! I agree with you.

And I will answer your questions. Because too many parents don't want to raise adults with the ability to be accountable for their actions. They want to make excuses and blame everyone else when their kid breaks a rule and gets caught.

It is the principal's fault, it is the coach's fault, it is the teacher's fault, it is the umpire's fault, it is the boss's fault, it is the cop's fault...very few parents seem to be willing for their children to learn tough lessons about accoutability.

It is hard to stand by and watch your child receive a punishment for something they did, but it is the right thing to do. But too few parents will allow this to happen, so we end up with kids that feel entitled. Then they don't understand when they turn 18 why they can't do stupid things and their parents can't get it taken care of for them.

Tiger Woods recently said he did what he did because he felt "entitled" and no one would do anything about it. His inner circle is a bunch of "Yes Men". This came about as a result of his youth being spent coddled as a golf prodigy. He pretty much got to do what he wanted when he wanted. So when he became an adult and got married, he thought he could still do whatever he wanted.

I kid that I know pretty well was having a hard time getting any PT on his college team. He was asked if he thought the coaches were messing him around and not giving him any chances. He said the no, he had done this to himself with a so-so fall showing, and that he would be fine with more work. He would be ready when he got his shot.

DING DING DING...right answer!

Mix in a Big League game sometime- players leave the dugout for "Walk-offs" only.

Blindguy,

I'm not the pitchers dad...I am not related to anyone who was on the field of play. I think you owe the pitchers dad an apology for calling him out as the original poster. I did not use the pitchers name but I did use the umpires name for a reason. The umpire is paid to make those decisions and should be able to stand up to them. It was an overreaction, a poor decision in the split of the moment, and that is why an umpire friend of mine said they received word the next day to stop and think before ejecting coaches and players. Ejections are serious business and have serious ramifications on the game and on a coaches and players career. They should not be issued flippantly.

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Originally posted by Coach Ford:
Mix in a Big League game sometime- players leave the dugout for "Walk-offs" only.

Coach Ford, We are not talking about the Big Leagues. We are talking about high school baseball and I have never seen a hs game where at least 1/2 the team didn't come out to give high fives. Many teams do it on a well placed sac bunt. No one was around home plate they just came out enough to greet the hitter. Of all the people I am surprised that you would not understand what a hr means to a high school player.

The players were told to stay off the field. It wasn't whether or not anyone agrees with it...it was stay off the field. The ejected player did not.

Yes, it is exciting to hit a HR and the players should be happy, but that isn't the point. They were told to stay off the field and they didn't. Same with a sac bunt. If the players are told by the umpire to stay off, and they don't, then they should be prepared to accept the punishment.

If the association that oversees the umpires has an issue with that umpire, they can deal with him after the game.

I would think using umpires name he would deserve an apology. After all he is the one in control as Blindguy pointed out. Did he go too far? Possibly. Is he the one ultimately responsible for control of the field. Yes.

As Blindguy points out safety is of utmost importance. While at this point there should not have been a safety concern about being hit with a ball or bat the issue is following the person in charge directions. Serious business and ramifications go both ways. I strongly agree with Blindguy about the kids learning authority.

As has been stated all over these forums, calling a person out by name has never been a good idea.

And since when did we think umpires are perfect? Parents, fans, players and coaches get on their case constantly. I bet the kids were not the only ones to learn from this event. And that should make everyone better.

When are parents going to teach their offspring that there is always some type of authority that prevails in every step of their lives. That authority is there for various reasons (i.e. police -vs- umpires/referees) but, nonetheless, they do have authority to control things within their area of jurisdiction. To aparently choose to ignore a given directive, brings about the consequence for that choice. It's not about happenstance, a choice was made, and, sorry if anyone's feelings are hurt after the fact there are ramifications. Teach them or let them learn the hard way. If you choose to stay out of the way during the teaching phase, then stay out of the way when the consequences are dealt out.

I don't know, but I do think the umpire may have been just a little overboard in his approach, but he is in control and that should be enough for the players to follow his directive.

BTW, I have no dog in this hunt, but do have one playing HS ball, and if it were my son who was ejected, he and I would have had a nice(?) long chat after the game and I don't believe he would do that ever again.

IMHO - It should be mandatory that all umpires have actually PLAYED the game of baseball. It would make for better umpiring and decision making.

In the words of Jimmy Buffett "don't try to describe the ocean if you've never seen it"

Umpires - don't try to umpire a game you never played.

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IMHO - It should be mandatory that all umpires have actually PLAYED the game of baseball. It would make for better umpiring and decision making.

I don't. I think they need to maintain that one-layer removed from the appreciation of the game. It helps keep them neutral, honest, and more safety-minded. I don't want them giving a phantom tag call to a second baseman because his footwork was correct, or giving calls to a particular coach because he reminds him of his former coach, or because he appreciates the coach's fundamentals. Former athletes tend to have a better eye for those kinds of things, and whether they know it or not, they tend to have a preference for seeing better technique.

I want umpires to continue to be the same boorish control-freak types, who feel they've done a good job if everyone was kept safe, they called it accurately, and nobody felt like they got preferential treatment. Yeah, they may go overboard, or even blow a game once in a while, but we'll all live. Over the years, my kid's teams have suffered endless "umpire injustices" - I can't remember any of them. And any kid that ever lost a scholarship because of one incident was probably marginal, anyway.

To me its an important part of the game to be annoyed with umpires. I act like I can't stand them, I roll my eyes in disgust, I mumble awful stuff to the other dads about their incompetence. But I admit I kind of like it when an umpire believes in the call he's making, even if he missed it.

Go back and read Blindguy's post. He reeks with it. He's got to be an umpire, and probably a pretty good one. So condescending. So disenfranchised, distrusting, and judgmental...

And so perfect for an umpire.