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USA Baseball Returns To Losing Ways

Q Quincy1,000+ posts
Since the spotlight has been taken off the perrenial failure of USA Baseball, they have given us teams that cannot defeat small island nations once more.

This year our final hopes for gold rest on the 16 and under team and the Professional team.

With the size of our nation and population, we should not accept anything less than gold in international competition of what is supposed to be our national game.
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C cbg500+ posts
What's new about loosing at the world championships? Heck our MLB players cant even win the world championships. Until both MLB and USA baseball stop trying to get every kid to be 6'5" and 260/lb and just find baseball players this trend is going to continue. Most of our players don't know how to advance baserunners (bunt or hit and run), steal a base, or play bunt defense. The idea now seems to be get 2 guys on and have someone hit the ball out of the park to score 3 runs. Pee Wee Reese and Pete Rose would probably never be given the opportunity to play professional baseball today.
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Q Quincy1,000+ posts
I can understand the USA losing in the World Baseball Classic since the majority of MLB All Stars play for their home nations. The percentage of foreign born players in the minors and majors must be around 70%.

Even the kids imported as high school players return to play for their home nations.

I find it interesting also that only the 14 and 16 year olds have to pay to try out.
Q Quincy1,000+ posts
Even 50% of the combined MLB and MiLB pool being from other nations causes a diminished pool for the USA to draw from.

So between the diminished pool and 'better baseball through medicine', we have presented teams unable to compete at a high level of competition.

The established method does not promote the USA dominating in international baseball.
Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Quincy:
Even 50% of the combined MLB and MiLB pool being from other nations causes a diminished pool for the USA to draw from.


1. Don't know how you did your math, but the combined number would be around 38-40%.

2. Most of the foreign born players do not see action above the Rookie Leagues and low A's.
Q Quincy1,000+ posts
To be exact the number is 45.8%.

One third of Triple A ball is the Mexican League.

This doesn't even touch on the point that MLB has The Dominican and Venezuelan Summer teams.

But the point remains that a nation with the population size of the USA should not be losing and floundering against small island nations and emerging nations when the game is our national pastime.
fenwaysouthfenwaysouth10,000+ posts
Percentages don't matter as much as the total raw numbers of baseball players from a particular country. This is a big country with quite a few baseball players....that is not the problem IMHO.

If the USA Baseball organization continues with the way they are evaluating talent and selecting teams, then we will continue to get the same results. "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results". Something has to change for us to go from mediocre to champion.
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Catching101Catching101100+ posts
quote:
Originally posted by Quincy:
To be exact the number is 45.8%.

One third of Triple A ball is the Mexican League.

This doesn't even touch on the point that MLB has The Dominican and Venezuelan Summer teams.

But the point remains that a nation with the population size of the USA should not be losing and floundering against small island nations and emerging nations when the game is our national pastime.


I would love to know where you looked that up? I believe it is lower than that.

Think about it, in the draft every year there are 1500 american kids selected a year because international players are free agents. I can't believe that each organization signs almost 50 free agents each year.

I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I don't know where that number came from unless you checked every roster.

Also, just because there are winter ball leagues in the Dominican and Venezuela doesn't mean that all of the players are from there. There are a LOT of american players that play winter ball down there because the pay is so good. Same is true for the Mexican league.
Jimmy03Jimmy031,000+ posts
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Originally posted by Catching101:
quote:
Originally posted by Quincy:
To be exact the number is 45.8%.

One third of Triple A ball is the Mexican League.

This doesn't even touch on the point that MLB has The Dominican and Venezuelan Summer teams.

But the point remains that a nation with the population size of the USA should not be losing and floundering against small island nations and emerging nations when the game is our national pastime.


I would love to know where you looked that up? I believe it is lower than that.

Think about it, in the draft every year there are 1500 american kids selected a year because international players are free agents. I can't believe that each organization signs almost 50 free agents each year.

I'm not saying that you're wrong, but I don't know where that number came from unless you checked every roster.

Also, just because there are winter ball leagues in the Dominican and Venezuela doesn't mean that all of the players are from there. There are a LOT of american players that play winter ball down there because the pay is so good. Same is true for the Mexican league.



I don't know the source of his figures. Mine came from Major League Baseball.

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