This is newsworthy given it involves college age kids and some universities requiring vaccinations. Let’s try to keep politics out of it ...
Israel’s Health Ministry says young men ages 16-24 are potentially 25 times more likely to develop myocarditis after getting the Pfizer vaccine. The small country of 8.7 million has been administering the shots to teenagers since January, months earlier than America.
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In the US: CDC says heart inflammation cases higher in 16 to 24 year olds
Got the email today from our youngest school, they requiring vaccination for fall semester. The good news is other then tuition I will never have to give them dollar.
Someone's been watching Tucker tonight?!:-) idk what I'll do if my sons school mandates the vaccine
COVID vaccine has turned out to be damn if you do or damn if you don't.
Another example of how statistics can be twisted into any narrative. It’s very rare, 1 in 6000. And it’s not a scientific double blind study, they have no idea how many of those teenagers were pre-disposed to myocarditis prior to the vaccine
This is coming from the Israeli and American governments not a political opinion column. I would consider it a “we’re not sure” warning.
@edcoach posted:Someone's been watching Tucker tonight?!:-) idk what I'll do if my sons school mandates the vaccine
I don’t watch cable political news shows. They cause brain damage. I’m watching baseball and reading Flipboard. The stories I posted (one from Israel, one from the CDC) were in my Flipboard news aggregator.
For those that saw the thread title, but didn’t click on the link, the heart symptoms occur within a day or two of the second dose
If your kid has had their second shot and are past a few days and feeling fine, carry on …nothing to see here, enjoy your life…
@RJM posted:I don’t watch cable political news shows. They cause brain damage. I’m watching baseball and reading Flipboard. The stories I posted (one from Israel, one from the CDC) were in my Flipboard news aggregator.
This was tucker carlsons opening tonight.
Can you share the listed side effects of the MMR vaccine that almost every child needs to go to school?
My son's school is requiring it. I *think* his summer collegiate league required it as well.
Son's college and Summer league both require it. Attendence at Summer league is based on "Honor System".
Both my kid's schools are mandating students get the vaccine but are only strongly encouraging faculty to do so...... That is not cool and quite frankly backwards. Both of mine are fully vaccinated now as of last Saturday (2 weeks past the second shot) and no issues. Our family has one adult Moderna and one adult with Pfizer and one child Moderna and one with Pfizer. The "men" have different vaccines from each other and the women have different vaccines too. We are one big case study without issue....I am also back on mass transit and in NYC a few days a week and we are maskless in the office unless not vaccinated.
Boy, we really haven't moved forward an inch with regard to politicizing everything about this virus, have we? Getting our 2021 son vaccinated came up earlier this week as he's roughly 7 weeks away from heading to college to play ball. The plan was to get him his first dose next week. Yesterday a friend forwarded me a link to a Rueters/Yahoo article about this latest development, so I passed it along to my highly liberal exwife suggesting we pause plans a little while until more info is known. Her response was to immediately downplay the significance of the development and then went on to say that once CNN reports on it, she'll take it more seriously. Now, I am not looking to take shots at liberals or CNN, but if the "tucker carlson angle" is not okay, then neither should the angle my ex is taking. We've really lost our way when we allow major news outlets and politics to control us like this. I'm not saying the left or the right is wrong. I'm saying we're all hanging on WAY too tight to the bonds between Covid and politics. No, one single person in this country is not to blame. That's a puddle-deep, lazy argument for quite possibly the most complex problem in decades or longer.
Google it and you'll see a large swatch of news outlets are reporting on this now. Yes, on both sides of the aisle. The CDC has scheduled an emergency meeting next week to dig into this. So I think it's worth letting this one breath a little bit. There have been a thousand things we "knew" about this virus that we had to un-know the next day.
@3and2Fastball you bring up a very important point about twisting statistics. It's disgusting, but I see both the left and right pivoting constantly on how they present their data. Some numbers look radically different when viewed as a whole number versus when they're viewed as a percentage. One side views Covid deaths in terms of massive whole numbers while the other side uses tiny percentages. Both are 100% accurate, yet we pretend one is horrifying and the other is negligible. And vice versa. Spoiler alert - neither singular focus is right. The term "rare" runs on a massive sliding scale these days. Sadly, most of our strongest feelings around Covid and what we're "sure" of, stem from our sick obsession with the the two incredibly divisive factions "representing" us in Washington. We need to be better than this.
Feels like another "Elephant in the room" thread is about to break out.....
We've really lost our way when we allow major news outlets and politics to control us like this.
Mayhe Tucker Carlson covered this last night as someone else mentioned . But it’s not where I got the information I posted. It came from a science magazine sourcing the Israeli government and another article sourcing the CDC.
I get my news from Flipboard. It’s a news aggregator that combines reported news and left and right opinion. Given it’s based out of Silicon Valley there is more left leaning information than right leaning. But, there’s plenty of both. They exclude the fringes. There are rarely articles from Breitbart and Mother Jones.
I consider data from two governments at the forefront of Covid to be reported news, not opinion.
@Gunner Mack Jr. posted:Both my kid's schools are mandating students get the vaccine but are only strongly encouraging faculty to do so...... That is not cool and quite frankly backwards. Both of mine are fully vaccinated now as of last Saturday (2 weeks past the second shot) and no issues. Our family has one adult Moderna and one adult with Pfizer and one child Moderna and one with Pfizer. The "men" have different vaccines from each other and the women have different vaccines too. We are one big case study without issue....I am also back on mass transit and in NYC a few days a week and we are maskless in the office unless not vaccinated.
Between my sons and I we have all 3. Being able to go to some NY hockey playoff games and not about testing was also a driving factor 
. I'm on the subway at least a few times a week at this point. Was throughout last year as well.
283 observed cases of heart inflammation after receiving a second dose of Pfizer. Two hundred eighty three. Out of millions and millions of people. 141 million Americans are fully vaccinated
If we take an extremely conservative estimate, and say it’s only 2 million 16-24 year olds who have had 2 doses of Pfizer, that 283 is 0.00014 % of the people
Again. Nothing to see here
It is literally more dangerous for you to drive to the vaccination site, than get the vaccine.
(puts on asbestos suit, takes deep breath, walks into this thread)
Listen to 3 and 2. Get the shot.
(leaves quickly)
@3and2Fastball posted:283 observed cases of heart inflammation after receiving a second dose of Pfizer. Two hundred eighty three. Out of millions and millions of people. 141 million Americans are fully vaccinated
If we take an extremely conservative estimate, and say it’s only 2 million 16-24 year olds who have had 2 doses of Pfizer, that 283 is 0.00014 % of the people
Again. Nothing to see here
It is literally more dangerous for you to drive to the vaccination site, than get the vaccine.
Thank you for so confidently speaking for everyone on hsbaseballweb that a report by two governments expressing concern is nothing to see. I can sleep better now. Thank you for speaking up, and deciding for everyone, God.
Since you’ve decided there’s nothing to see here you must have reviewed the medical charts of very poster’s kid.
I have a friend who has been healthy her entire life. You won’t find anyone more fit. Then she got the vaccine. For the past three months on her good days she’s only nauseated and head achy. On her worse days she’s too sick to get up. She’s seen three specialists. They can’t explain what went wrong.
My kid had covid. He will get tested for antibodies and if he has them he is not getting the vaccine.
it's a teeny tiny number, but the job of government/medical professionals is to look at those teeny tiny numbers and decide if they need to make a recommendation for people to do something in particular based on what they learn.
My job is to make sure my family is doing the best thing for them. I'll be interested to see what they come up with, but I'm not going to stay up tonight worrying because my son got vaccinated. I think he had Pfeizer, but maybe it was Moderna??? Whole family vaccinated and I'm starting to get comfortable not wearing a mask to outside baseball games, although I appreciate that they are still doing some social distancing. Thank goodness, since it's 90-plus outside now. I don't want to be squeezed that close to people when it's that hot regardless of the health situation.
My sons healthy gf got covid. She developed blood clot in lung, post covid. Will be on blood thinners 6 months at least.
Pick your poison.
If you have had covid its recommended to get vaccine after 90 days.
I have had blood clots, my father has had blood clots, and heart issues killed both of my grandfathers. My daughter has had and been treated for some female issues since 13. She is a Division 1 athlete who has 2 teammates that had Covid and were then vaccinated before the end of the school year. Neither teammate can train after 8 weeks any higher than 75% effort without feeling like they are going to have a coronary event.
She plays for a school that is requiring vaccinations for all students and "encouraging" vaccinations for all employees and staff. She has antibodies, does not want an EUA vaccination with some flags in areas where she already has concerns. It is not a good situation for her...praying for some alternative options for her and others in a similar situation before the end of this month...
My 2020 got it in the fall (actually had to pick him up from school on election night). After 1 day he was bugging me to load up the car with kettlebells and drive to abandoned school yards so he could work out. He did lose taste after about a week, and doesn't think his smell is 100%. When he arrived back on campus for the spring semester the athletic department made anyone that had covid do their onboarding again, and get additional blood work (I think they were testing for whatever showed up in the college basketball player who collapsed in Florida's blood).
My 2022 got it in March. Was pretty much wiped for a week then did a 180 on about the 8th day. To be safe we had him get an EKG and echo (I think) test. He also lost taste. He did try and come back to the mound a bit too quickly and hurt himself.
For them getting the vaccine after having covid was mostly about restrictions and convenience.
Son had to get it for baseball and a trip this summer overseas. No problems other than very sick for one night. Wife got the first shot and was deathly sick for 3 days. Got second shot and the same thing. Doctors were worried because she has heart problems but said there was very little they could do until something happened. Scary.
Son is having follow up blood work as precaution from COVID. Everyone should as routine.
My daughter had covid in January. Full 10 days of being sick. No one in her family had it but her. Then she had the vaccine less than 3 months and was really sick for 3 days. The pharmacy didn't ask if she had it and when. The antibodies still in her body went crazy. That's why they ask you to wait.
She just vaccinated her 15 and 18 stepkids, because here that age group is taking up hospital beds.
@3and2Fastball posted:283 observed cases of heart inflammation after receiving a second dose of Pfizer. Two hundred eighty three. Out of millions and millions of people. 141 million Americans are fully vaccinated
If we take an extremely conservative estimate, and say it’s only 2 million 16-24 year olds who have had 2 doses of Pfizer, that 283 is 0.00014 % of the people
Again. Nothing to see here
It is literally more dangerous for you to drive to the vaccination site, than get the vaccine.
So how many of the millions and millions of people had their hearts tested for inflammation? I'll bet you have no idea, and you have no idea how dangerous it is, or who it might be dangerous for.
I’m watching this closely. Science is no longer science when it comes to the way the news reports it. Webmd article below. Not sure what ‘got better’ means for the 81%, but the 19% with ongoing symptoms is definitely troubling.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/new...heart-issue-in-youth
“Most of the young adults who experienced myocarditis recovered quickly, though three needed intensive care and rehabilitation after their episodes. Among cases with known outcomes, 81% got better and 19% still have ongoing symptoms.”
@TexasLefty posted:I’m watching this closely. Science is no longer science when it comes to the way the news reports it. Webmd article below. Not sure what ‘got better’ means for the 81%, but the 19% with ongoing symptoms is definitely troubling.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/new...heart-issue-in-youth
“Most of the young adults who experienced myocarditis recovered quickly, though three needed intensive care and rehabilitation after their episodes. Among cases with known outcomes, 81% got better and 19% still have ongoing symptoms.”
19% of the 283 young adults?
Based on the cdc stats below, only 314 kids 0-17 died of Covid, possibly indirectly. 283 vaccine heart issues in a few million observed vs 314 deaths in many more millions of Covid teen cases. I’m just saying I’ll do me, you can do you. Can run stats however you want. There has been zero evidence that kids have severe issues with a Covid infection nor do they spread it like adults.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/...vid_weekly/index.htm
And in case you’re not staying up to date…this is a fair read. I’m not trying to convince anyone to vaccinate your kids or not. Just stay informed.
“Israeli Ministry of Health, they conclude that between one in 3000 and one in 6000 men ages 16 to 24 who received the vaccine developed the rare condition. But most cases were mild and resolved within a few weeks, which is typical for myocarditis.“
Right. 1 in 4500 is 0.0002%
The problem is, with the new variants, many younger adults and teenagers who weren’t vaccinated are currently becoming hospitalized.
Anyways, as it relates to College Baseball: I bet that at most schools, if you aren’t vaccinated, you aren’t going to be on the team. That will certainly be true at most private schools
@3and2Fastball posted:Right. 1 in 4500 is 0.0002%
The problem is, with the new variants, many younger adults and teenagers who weren’t vaccinated are currently becoming hospitalized.
Anyways, as it relates to College Baseball: I bet that at most schools, if you aren’t vaccinated, you aren’t going to be on the team. That will certainly be true at most private schools
The CDC hospitalization rates for teenagers and 5-17-year-olds have been trending down considerably since the start of May. That doesn't mean that younger adults and teenagers who weren't vaccinated are not becoming hospitalized but where are you and TPM getting this data/comment. I can't find anything that is highlighting this as an issue right now.
Off to watch my son play his first live game in 608 days (52.5million seconds). Covid canceled Senior year HS, summer ball last year didn't happen due to shoulder injury, at college he was injured in the fall and reinjured early spring, got healthy in early April but couldn't crack the rotation with too many great pitchers and just 2 games a week.
@Gunner Mack Jr. posted:The CDC hospitalization rates for teenagers and 5-17-year-olds have been trending down considerably since the start of May. That doesn't mean that younger adults and teenagers who weren't vaccinated are not becoming hospitalized but where are you and TPM getting this data/comment. I can't find anything that is highlighting this as an issue right now.
Off to watch my son play his first live game in 608 days (52.5million seconds). Covid canceled Senior year HS, summer ball last year didn't happen due to shoulder injury, at college he was injured in the fall and reinjured early spring, got healthy in early April but couldn't crack the rotation with too many great pitchers and just 2 games a week.
I am in South Florida. More and more teens are being vaccinated now, because more and more teens were getting sick enough to be hospitalized.
We also supposedly have different variants floating around.
I am going by what a doctor had told me this week. My cardiologist. Did not mention if they were teens who had the vaccine.
@3and2Fastball posted:283 observed cases of heart inflammation after receiving a second dose of Pfizer. Two hundred eighty three. Out of millions and millions of people. 141 million Americans are fully vaccinated
If we take an extremely conservative estimate, and say it’s only 2 million 16-24 year olds who have had 2 doses of Pfizer, that 283 is 0.00014 % of the people
Again. Nothing to see here
It is literally more dangerous for you to drive to the vaccination site, than get the vaccine.
And it is also more dangerous to drive to the vaccine site than it is for kids who have the virus. We need to stop driving.
@baseballhs posted:And it is also more dangerous to drive to the vaccine site than it is for kids who have the virus. We need to stop driving.
I wish some in my region would stop driving. 1.5 hours to go 45 miles plus 3 accidents...ugh
I wish science and statistics mattered when Covid broke out. I was more likely to get hit and killed on my bike than catch Covid and die in the worst Covid county in the state. Yet, the entire state shut down including counties with zero cases.
The point of my post was not to scare people out of taking the vaccine. The point was to make people aware who have kids who may be more susceptible to myocarditis. Their odds are up 25%. So others who aren’t concerned about myocarditis should stop ridiculing the article and the numbers. Have some respect for those who may have more complicated hearh issues than you. You’re not medical experts.
@RJM posted:I wish science and statistics mattered when Covid broke out. I was more likely to get hit and killed on my bike than catch Covid and die in the worst Covid county in the state. Yet, the entire state shut down including counties with zero cases.
The point of my post was not to scare people out of taking the vaccine. The point was to make people aware who have kids who may be more susceptible to myocarditis. Their odds are up 25%. So others who aren’t concerned about myocarditis should stop ridiculing the article and the numbers. Have some respect for those who may have more complicated hearh issues than you. You’re not medical experts.
RJM that will be enough from you, the government and their proxies will tell when and how to think. Thanks welcome to new US, now turn on CNN and be thankful smart tards are here to think for you.
