Vaccine

Was it a free for all? I would think they would make sure the seniors had first dibs

65 and above

Being in Healthcare and treating patients on a daily basis , I qualified for Level 1 vaccination. I have received both "shots" of Moderna. The first vaccination gave me no side effects. The second caused Flu -like symptoms, starting about 12 ours after the shot and extending for about 30 hours. Then I felt fine. My best wishes for all out there, and i hope we see an end to this crazy pandemic soon !!!!

I had Moderna shot #1 at Dodger Stadium and the only side effect is a very faint buzzing in my ears.  It's pretty annoying.  Shot #2 is coming up in a couple of weeks. Hopefully by then the buzzing will either stop or get loud enough for me to understand what Mr. Gates is telling me to do.

You folks are fortunate.  Our governor and state government can't quite figure it out.  The governor got on TV last week and essentially told us that he knows now that people want the vaccine but there aren't enough vaccines....gee thanks for that new flash.   Our governor is a practicing medical doctor, and I truly believe he needs to go back to medicine today!

So, the short supply is being used for 65+ folks, health care workers, people with medical conditions, and prisoners (don't get me started).  Our county teachers pushed back on physically going back to school, and miraculously there is some supply to take care of them now.  Frankly, teachers should have been in the front of the line if you ask me.   

My conclusion is that most state and county governments are not setup to distribute vaccines, and this is not their core competency....frankly it isn't a competency at all..  The states are getting hung up on all the extraneous bull*hit that is wasting time and cycles. After this little trial and error exercise, I believe we are coming back to the Federal govt taking charge on this effort.   They have resources and infrastructure.  Let's go from Federal govt directly to the people and cut out the middle man (state and county govt) because they are adding zero value.

Signing up for the vaccine has gone from a state website to a county website and now back to a state website.   Nobody can figure out where, and when to get there FIRST vaccine.  I feel like I'm trying to break a 256-bit encryption key and I need the help of super-computers to sign up for a vaccine.  Holy crap!

PS...I got the shingles vaccine a few months ago.   That sucked...muscle tightness, soreness, aches, pains and flu like symptoms for many days.  I'll take any of the symptoms noted above over the shingles vaccine any day.

Stay healthy and wear a mask in public for you and everybody else!

My wife's school is currently experiencing an outbreak. 9 teachers out are positive or have symptoms waiting on results. My wife is in "quarantine" as she eats lunch with one of them. She still goes to school but does not interact with any adults and was already keeping her distance from the kids. It's been a week and she has no symptoms (thank God!). NONE of the cases have been transmitted at school. One of the teachers held a bunco night and her and 4 others got each other. The others got it from their spouses.

We decided as a family my wife will continue to quarantine when home so there is no chance she can pass it to me or my son. It also puts him in the clear of needing to quarantine if she does pick it up.

Well, not to be political but the prior administration did a poor job of planning the rollout but Florida got a boatload of vaccines in the beginning and my county had its health systems organize and give the vax. Now the governor has publix pharmacies giving it, red counties and in PBC where the ex president resides, after some hefty donations to our governor (from Publix).

I get my second vaccine tomorrow. Pfizer. But many I know getting moderna had reactions, second vax but they say that's a good thing.

TPM Little late to "not be political" isn't it.

No offense TPM, but YOUR president has said there is nothing he can do after bashing the other president.  The past president had a plan but the Democrats did not like it so they pushed back and he conceded.  I don't think anyone has a plan because no one has experience in dealing with this other than maybe Chic-Fil-A drive thru could get it done.  Buy a chicken sandwich and get a shot in less than 3 minutes.

Dang, I'm trying to eat healthy right now as I know I won't once the season starts. Now I want a CFA lunch

@TPM posted:

Well, not to be political but the prior administration did a poor job of planning the rollout but Florida got a boatload of vaccines in the beginning and my county had its health systems organize and give the vax. Now the governor has publix pharmacies giving it, red counties and in PBC where the ex president resides, after some hefty donations to our governor (from Publix).

I get my second vaccine tomorrow. Pfizer. But many I know getting moderna had reactions, second vax but they say that's a good thing.

TPM...... why??????...... Take out the first 17 words which are incredibly unnecessary, open for debate and screams anything but unity and start at Florida got a boatload of vaccine........

PF

My response are the exact words from our counties commissioners. There were no plans in place because states were not told thats what had to be done.

I did not agree with our governors orders to give the vax to over 65 first. There was no plan when health systems just told folks to call for appointments and crashed the system. There were older seniors camping out in 50 degree weather overnight to get the shot and then couldnt.

Bottom line is that it's a darn shame that everything has to be political, even rolling out a vaccine to save lives, had to become political. Even though things seem to be better, I just know that many folks are disgusted with how our governor is handling things.

Just dont hold press conferences in Publix parking lots.

TPM you are not listening. You of all people should know. You have been on the site since 2003!

We discuss baseball and you injected politics unnecessarily.

We do not care what the commissioners say.

I always get a chuckle out of people being surprised when our "leaders" in government don't execute well.  How many examples does one need to come to the logical and fair conclusion that our leaders/government do not run things well?  Go ahead.  Start listing off all the US government departments/agencies that run really well.  Take your time - I'll wait.  As much we'd like to think "beating" Covid hinges on who was and now who is in the Oval Office, it's not the case.  I always shake my head when people in our country honestly believe our government both CAN and SHOULD take great care of us.  We have decades and centuries of historical data, people.  No, they can't.  Nor were they designed to do so.  They do a decent job on occasion with a few things, but our government is never the magic bullet we seem to think they can and should be.  Spoiler alert for anyone who disagrees, but it won't matter who is in office the next time a global pandemic hits.  Even after the last year and all we should learn from it, we will not be prepared to do well the next time around.  A ridiculous amount of lives will be lost and it won't have a thing to do with whether or not a D or an R is running things.

@Good Knight posted:

TPM you are not listening. You of all people should know. You have been on the site since 2003!

We discuss baseball and you injected politics unnecessarily.

We do not care what the commissioners say.

Agree! Got carried away. Lots of angry folks and I feel badly for them.

I understand. I also got carried away and called the Governor and Senators. It is ridiculous that older folks have to figure out a website/uploads/downloads/cam pics etc. to get a shot.

So I tried to call the Center for Seniors here to assist them.

But of course they are closed for the virus.

I am at a loss.

I heard (when I asked the physicians I work with) which vaccine to get and they said be happy with either.

Moderna has 100 micrograms and Pfizer 30 micrograms. Both work well, just heard Pfizer works better across multiple age groups and variants.

Again, be happy to get either. But if I have a choice and after talking with medical leadership in the field, I'll grab Pfizer.

I received my 2nd shot (Pfizer) this past Friday. My arm was sore for about 12hours. The only other side effect was being tired on Saturday, I spent most of the day on the couch (my wife said you seem the same to me). Woke up Sunday feeling normal.

@Good Knight posted:

I understand. I also got carried away and called the Governor and Senators. It is ridiculous that older folks have to figure out a website/uploads/downloads/cam pics etc. to get a shot.

So I tried to call the Center for Seniors here to assist them.

But of course they are closed for the virus.

I am at a loss.

I get what you are saying. My community in which I live, about 3, 4,5k permanent residents arranged everything with Broward Health. The guard is here today.

As stated if you have the opportunity, DO NOT TURN IT DOWN. They do a great job of screening beforehand.

Next week for shot 1

Someone can have my shot.  Not gonna take it.  Have not taken any vaccines to date since age 12 not gonna start now.

@Gunner Mack Jr. posted:

TPM...... why??????...... Take out the first 17 words which are incredibly unnecessary, open for debate and screams anything but unity and start at Florida got a boatload of vaccine........

I said that I got carried away. Sorry, just an example of how uneven distribution has been.

[Spoiler Alert: The following account is devoid of political content. ]

Our area's largest healthcare provider and Honeywell, which is headquartered here, teamed up to create a textbook example of how to efficiently distribute thousands of vaccines. Two weekends ago, they took over Charlotte Motor Speedway, set up a path for vehicles that eventually led to the 40-or-so garage stalls, administered the shots there, and had us proceed to a 15-minute waiting line to give us long enough to see if we'd react allergically. Only those with appointments were allowed to participate, and there were no bottlenecks anywhere in the multi-stage process; except for the intended one at the end. I was in and out in 30 minutes, including the 15-minute wait at the end.

It's my understanding that more than 5,000 vaccinations a day were given in each of the 3 days there. The following weekend, the same team used the local NFL stadium and accomplished similar results.

Because those of us who participated at the speedway were given the Pfizer vaccine, we return there over the weekend of 2/12-14 to receive our second shots.

Those who are organizing similar efforts elsewhere would do well to replicate the organizational and staffing plans that were used by Atrium Health and Honeywell. They were exemplary.

To be honest, nothing on this thread has to do with baseball; seems very unlikely that our HS/college-aged players will get a vaccine until the very end of the list.   When there's snow on the ground, I don't really mind not being able to go outside anyway.  I do worry about some of the older HS coaches that I know, running indoor practices.  If they want vaccines, I hope they can get them soon (I daresay that some won't).  Currently I'm just hoping that enough shots have been given by spring to make a big difference for the summer.

Since this has become political, what the hell. I look at the vaccine rollout and it boggles the mind anyone wants government completely in charge of our healthcare. The rollout confirmed my prediction. Government run healthcare would be like a visit to the DMV.

On a more information note as an officer of the court (prosecutor) by 32yo daughter had her first shot. It was Moderna. She had a reaction. She was so sick she couldn’t work the next day. She felt lethargic for a week. She added the shot was very painful and her arm hurt the next day. She was informed younger people are more likely to have reactions to the shot.

@RJM posted:

Since this has become political, what the hell. I look at the vaccine rollout and it boggles the mind anyone wants government completely in charge of our healthcare. The rollout confirmed my prediction. Government run healthcare would be like a visit to the DMV.

Back after taking another long hiatus and here I go again--

I'm drafting a letter today to try to untangle a mare's nest of expensive, incorrect charges from a surgery that was performed over six months ago.  Dealing with the government couldn't possibly be any worse than being caught between a medical group and an insurance company (and their billing contractors).  And I say this as an attorney who has successfully represented patients in similar billing snafus--I know a little bit about how this stuff works, and it's still a nightmare.  To take one example, the out of network rate for one of the charges I am dealing with is more than ten times the network rate.  (I should have been charged the network rate.)  A rational system wouldn't have those sorts of pricing differentials.  How about if everyone in the country pays the Medicare rates (very similar to the network rates in my situation)?

When the non-ultra cold vaxs are approved it will ramp things up. This will probably draw criticism but this is a very good throughput for a first time ultra cold storage vax given the limitations we have across this country. I agree with RJM the feds are not like UK NHS system with decades if infrastructure, they will make things worse if they take over. The states need to run it their way and feds can provide extra resources FEMA and $$$. The Moderna vax 2nd dose whacked out more people, wish they updated this stat (moderate reaction my arse)...I was one of the flu like ass kicked reaction on my 2nd...I am not a spin class "educator" or "inmate" so don't grab your pitchforks, at least wait until after my political statement. To be continued...

@Chico Escuela posted:

Back after taking another long hiatus and here I go again--

I'm drafting a letter today to try to untangle a mare's nest of expensive, incorrect charges from a surgery that was performed over six months ago.  Dealing with the government couldn't possibly be any worse than being caught between a medical group and an insurance company (and their billing contractors).  And I say this as an attorney who has successfully represented patients in similar billing snafus--I know a little bit about how this stuff works, and it's still a nightmare.  To take one example, the out of network rate for one of the charges I am dealing with is more than ten times the network rate.  (I should have been charged the network rate.)  A rational system wouldn't have those sorts of pricing differentials.  How about if everyone in the country pays the Medicare rates (very similar to the network rates in my situation)?

Let’s be careful how far down this road we go on a baseball board. The problem with insurance coverage is it’s not market based. No one worries about the cost. It covered, not covered.

The plan my son was on in high school allowed one physical per year. This is normal coverage. Our state athletic association required a physical for every season. The high school brought a medical person one day for a $10 “turn and cough” physical. My son missed it one year.

I called his pediatrician. It was going to cost $175 (eleven years ago) out of pocket for a second physical of the year. He couldn’t get scheduled for three days. I called Urgent Care. It was $50 and as soon as he could get there.

What if everyone always operated this way? Healthcare cost would be a lot less. I wouldn’t select the least expensive surgeon. I would go by reputation. But for a basic physical and a signature? Anything short of a child molester is acceptable.

@RJM posted:

Let’s be careful how far down this road we go on a baseball board.

Hey, I didn't start it (but yes, I agree).  I just read your post as I was procrastinating instead of diving into the pile of bills on my desk to try to straighten the situation out...

Ok I formally apologize to all baseball fans for starting this!

Curious if any college players have been told they have to get it?  Or maybe told it's not mandatory, but mandatory....

@Good Knight posted:

Ok I formally apologize to all baseball fans for starting this!

I forgive you! I kid, I kid. It has been a while since Franny's last post, so this is a nice distraction for my back from shoveling 5 years of little or no snow.

@Prepster posted:

Those who are organizing similar efforts elsewhere would do well to replicate the organizational and staffing plans that were used by Atrium Health and Honeywell. They were exemplary.

The Dodger Stadium location is doing nearly 8K per day, and it seems to be going fairly smoothly, not really missing a beat when protesters briefly shut it down Saturday.

There are plenty of issues with the rollout, but the #1 problem is supply.  Hopefully that will ease very soon, especially if the J & J vaccine is approved as quickly as the first two were.

For example:  I am with Kaiser. It has 9.3 million patients in Cal and gives everyone that wants it a flu shot every year, so they know what they are doing.  They say they can do 250,000 Covid shots per week, but so far they have only received 300,000 doses, total.

So there is a lot of unused capacity out there.  Once there is enough vaccine available, things will change very, very quickly.  We just have to hope that happens before the new variants overrun the country.

I also have noted that golf muscles are not the same as snow shoveling muscles.

Wife got the vaccine today and the nurse told her she had great arm muscle.

I told her that was because I let her shovel with me.

Apparently I am not as funny as I originally thought.

I think there are arguments that can be made that the government NEEDS to run some things in this country, but there are so few examples of things the government has run well that I simply can't understand anyone's surprise when it comes up short.  You hear a lot of "our leaders failed us" and "they weren't prepared."  People, seriously, look around.  Exactly where do you see that our leaders delivered well for us?  Exactly when were they prepared?  Ask someone who has to go to the VA hospital for treatment.  Or someone trying to draw social security benefits in 15 years.  I find it wholly perplexing when someone says their local/state government didn't deliver but then they feel the federal government magically can.  So let me get this straight.  People in Washington DC who know VERY little about the HIGHLY complex nuances of each city, county, and state in the country will execute better than our local governments?  Really?  Spend 10 seconds thinking about that and tell me that still makes any sense.  Just what do you think our leaders on Capital Hill have that has completely escaped our local and state leaders?  What magic sauce do they possess that a governor or mayor or city council person doesn't?  We have at least 338 million people in this country that we know about.  Can anyone here truly comprehend what it takes to get 1 million people on the same page for anything; let along 338 million?  It wasn't that long ago that we couldn't walk into a grocery store and buy toilet paper for Pete's sake.  Yet we're expecting a smooth and seamless roll out of multiple brand new and experimental vaccines to hundreds of millions of people?  Made by multiple companies. Shipped via thousands of carriers.  To literally 20,000 cities across the country in over 3,000 counties.  Holy moly we're an entitled bunch.  Leave it to us to whittle down easily the most complex undertaking of our lifetimes to a couple sentences on a baseball message board.  If only our leaders knew what we here do. <face palm>

I found out the hard way the "take my wife please" type jokes are considered tasteless. I guess I am in the comedic dark ages.

My baseball son always has hated snow, and was never much use at shovelling it.  Curiously, my golf-playing son has always liked shovelling snow.  I don't know if it's muscles, or just predilection.

Baseball (outdoors) is quite a ways away..... Car was cleaned about 4 hours ago

@Good Knight posted:

I also have noted that golf muscles are not the same as snow shoveling muscles.

Wife got the vaccine today and the nurse told her she had great arm muscle.

I told her that was because I let her shovel with me.

Apparently I am not as funny as I originally thought.

Tomorrow morning tell how the night in the couch went.

😁