velocity gain

I am interested in a response as well. My son is also a Freshman, he throws 74-84 mph now. I would like to hear what the average velocity gain could be in those 4 years.

it completely matters on how hard and how much you work at it.

It varies widely of course but if you'll give me an age (to the month) and height I'll give you an estimate based on data taken from the HSBBWEB posters.

Freshman can vary in age by 2 years or more so saying that someone is a freshman doesn't mean much.

I'll bite CADad:
15 yrs 3 months
5'11

Backdash,
The growth charts say he'll be almost 6'3" at 18yrs 3mo during his senior year. That's about a 3mph gain for the height increase and about a 5 mph gain for the age increase for a total increase of about 8 mph most of which should occur by his junior season.

If he currently cruises at about 78.5 mph then he fits the database pretty well. (I'll go back in and check to see if he's in the database.) (edit - Looks like he was 5'10" and throwing 74 mph 5 mo. ago so my guess would be that he's cruising about 77 mph by now.)

Of course every individual is different so this is worth about as much as you are paying for it.

hey im a sophmore lefty, 6'3", 185 lbs. I throw about 78-81 on estimate from my coaches. Some say i throw harder, but i havent been clocked since 7th grade where i was throwing mid 70's.
I was wondering how i should increase in that table.
thanks

Superman28,
How old to the month?

CADad,
Cool stuff that database you got. Seems the kid is on track except hes a sophmore now so he'll only be 17yrs 3 months when he starts his senior season.
Thanks!

im 16 and 6 months exactly.

cadad, can u put me into that table?

17 yrs 2 months
6'0''

im 5'4 14 and 9 months throwing 68-72

Superman28,
Probably about 3mph. If you are really only throwing about 80mph at your size and age you need to get with a good pitching instructor to take a look at your mechanics.

These "predictions" can't take into account changes in mechanics and building up arm strength. A local college pitcher went from mid-80s to Houston's first pick in the 2003 draft, throwing low to mid 90s. My predictions wouldn't have shown any increase for him.

Bob,
No predicted increase due to growth or age, but that doesn't mean you can't develop your mechanics and arm strength to increase velocity.

Bplr,
Around 7 mph faster at 18 if you reach 5'8". Once again, these are very general predictions and don't take into account extra work on mechanics and arm strength.

16 4 months 5'11 70-75mph

H-TownHeaters,
About 2mph. Once again, you probably aren't throwing with optimum mechanics given your current age, size and velocity and you should consider working with a good pitching instructor.

All of these predictions presume a very "typical" player and there isn't really any such person. For example, the growth charts say you only have about an inch to grow but if you matured late you might still grow a few inches. One never knows.

You cannot predict how fast someone will throw in 4 years off of size age or whatever. Size has very little to do with throwing hard while it helps but if you look at guys like Casey Fossum, Ron Guidry, Pedro Martinez, Rich Harden and Roy Oswalt they are little guys that throw gas. And lastly on this site everyone gets so caught up in speed if you throw 95 miles per hour flat as hell and you have nothing else it doesnt matter minor league parks and independent leagues are filled with guys like that.

Saint15,
Actually size does make a difference. Taller players tend to throw harder. Sure there are shorter players who can throw quite hard but in general taller players throw harder. There's also a typical amount that players increase their velocity as they get older. Exactly when the peak increase occurs is usually a function of when they mature. In general very little velocity increase occurs due to growth or maturity after about 17 years of age. In some specific cases a pitcher will mature late or make changes in their delivery or develop arm strength that allows them to reach the potential that they weren't reaching by 17. I saw a pitcher go from a max of high 80s to a max of high 90s between 18 and 21yo, then again he was 6'8" tall.

I am 5`5 130 lbs and throw about mid 70's....What are my predictions??? I really want to gain velocity

Hey guys, I have had a real problem with velocity in my career of baseball. im 5'11" almost 6'0" and throw at most around low to mid 60s. Please help me out. Thanks.

CADad,

That's pretty interesting. Does it matter how young a player is?

I would be interested in what your databas says for my son, who is 10 years, 9 months.

OPBaseball,
Sorry. Way too young. It really just shows trends for kids and can't be assumed to apply to any one player. The database doesn't have anywhere near enough players your son's age to make predictions that are anywhere close to being valid.

All the database is really saying is that kids tend to add about 3 to 4 mph a year on their fastball until they reach puberty at which point they gain a bit more for a couple years then they start to gain less each year and in general stop gaining any significant velocity when they're done growing.

Velocity seems to be strongly linked to both age and height so I estimate height increase over the years based on the growth charts and plug that into the database, but once again although kids in general grow according to the growth charts every kid is different and the growth charts are only a guide.

I've got a 13yo player on my team who the charts say will end up being 5'6" who the doctors think will end up about 6'1". His dad didn't grow until he was 17 and the dad is 6'2" or 6'3".

CADad
My son is 5'10", 16 and 7 months and is averaging around 86, topping in the low 90's. Is he done-is that his max? (He shaves whether he needs it or not about once every 6 months.)

hey i was wondering what i would be at my senior year, i am currently a freshman. I am 5 11, 15 years 1 month and i average about 85 but have hit 87

alexgdog,
Probably a bit of room for increased velocity. He's throwing pretty hard for his size. At this point it depends on if he grows anymore and his work ethic. There are probably scouts at his games. They're probably doing a bit of projecting themselves.

jaxon,
If those numbers are real you don't fit into the database and I wouldn't try to make a prediction.

Hey guys, I have had a real problem with velocity in my career of baseball. im 5'11" almost 6'0" and throw at most around low to mid 60s. I'm 15 and 4 months old. Can you tell me how much i might throw in my seinor year?

can someone please answer me.

ss, not being a smart*** but you might throw 72, 82, or 92 when your a senior. It is crazy to project something like that, too many variables.
Lift weights, eat right, long toss, and work on your mechanics and you will reach whatever max velocity is for you - that's all you or anyone can do. Good luck to you.

CADad

I am 47 and 6mos. I cruise at 62-63 and top out at 68. Can you predict how slow I'll be at 50??

How tall are you?

alexgdog

Oh yeah, I forgot. 6'1" with a girlish figure hovering around 220lbs.

Callaway,
I am just a bit further down the road than you are. I won't be 48 and 6 mos for another week. I cruise at about 58 to 60 during normal BP and 62-64 when I just allow my arm to hurt. I was able to top out at 70 last year but am down to 68 or so this year. Of course you have a 30lb weight advantage and an inch height advantage on me so I predict that your arm will give out soon as you'll be trying to get Boomer ready to handle post-season smoke. I'm going with a lot of soft toss and short toss myself since I can't throw as hard as the better 13 and 14yo pitchers anyways, although I do have better breaking stuff, so my arm should degrade gracefully.

My son is 5'5" and weighs 155lbs, he throws in the mid to low 70's. He is 15 and 7 months,throws left. What would be his gain.
Thanks

Hey CADAD is it believable that someone 5'7" throws about 80-84 for a catcher. I got clocked off our gun during practice and it said I was throwing 79 last year. Are the charts always right or are they based on lots of numbers.

CADad - my son is 15 years 7 months old, 5'9" 155 lbs, and throws 80 (has hit 84). He's a catcher but has been told he'll be called on for a few innings on the mound on his varsity team. He works out with a trainer 3 times a week and long tosses at least 5 times a week. What's his projection of velocity? Thanks so much.

playamom, cpgar,
In each case the prediction would be for an increase of about 4 to 5 mph.

Please don't take this as gospel. Every player is different and this just shows trends for an average pitcher.

I am 12 years old 5"7 160 lbs and trow 75 mph.could you put me throw you chart and project how i will be pitcing as a senior.