Boston05,
What grade are you in and how old are you to the month?
CADad: 5'10 3/4"" 53y / 5 mos current speed 52........Will I be ABLE to throw at age 55? Walk?
Actually, very interesting database. How about my son - 17y 7 mos. 6'1/2" Currently topping out 84. Trouble he's a catcher....
Actually, very interesting database. How about my son - 17y 7 mos. 6'1/2" Currently topping out 84. Trouble he's a catcher....
I am in seventh grade and am 12 and 11 months
itsagreatgame,
The equations derived from the database run out of steam at that age and it doesn't show any improvement after 17yo. It is an artifact of not having older players in the database.
As far as your velocity goes I'd say that beer could be a great help. It only takes a few and you'll soon be claiming much higher throwing speeds.
The equations derived from the database run out of steam at that age and it doesn't show any improvement after 17yo. It is an artifact of not having older players in the database.
As far as your velocity goes I'd say that beer could be a great help. It only takes a few and you'll soon be claiming much higher throwing speeds.
Boston05,
About 15mph faster. Why didn't we see you in the LLWS?
About 15mph faster. Why didn't we see you in the LLWS?
radar guns dont lie
CADad,
A local baseball dad I was talking with told me his 11-yr-old son currently throws 75 mph. He also mentioned that he is going to buy a radar gun soon...
A local baseball dad I was talking with told me his 11-yr-old son currently throws 75 mph. He also mentioned that he is going to buy a radar gun soon...
CADad,
After the few beers will itsagreatgame be able to hit his spots accurately?
After the few beers will itsagreatgame be able to hit his spots accurately?
CADad
Hi, i am 15 yo, 16 in 25 days, and throw 74-75 right now. I am a sophmore. I am 5 feet 10 inches and i should grow to be about 6 feet. I Weigh about 145. How fast should i be throwin when i am a senior.
Thanks
Hi, i am 15 yo, 16 in 25 days, and throw 74-75 right now. I am a sophmore. I am 5 feet 10 inches and i should grow to be about 6 feet. I Weigh about 145. How fast should i be throwin when i am a senior.
Thanks
TPM,
I'm quite sure that itsagreatgame will be able to say "Ahhh...That hit the spot!" with just as much gusto after a few beers.
I'm quite sure that itsagreatgame will be able to say "Ahhh...That hit the spot!" with just as much gusto after a few beers.
CADad,
Mine is 14 years and 11 months, he is 6'0" and 171, currently throwing around 80. He is a freshman. What's that come out to be?
Mine is 14 years and 11 months, he is 6'0" and 171, currently throwing around 80. He is a freshman. What's that come out to be?
CaDad - Thanks for the advice. I tried what you suggested this weekend and I threw so hard that ball was a total blur! And hey - I think they raised the mound considerably since I last threw. I've always had a little trouble with heights and I was experiencing severe dizzy spells out there the whole time.
plp556,
Based on the database about 3 or 4 mph faster. My personal guess is that you'll do better than that if you keep working at it.
Based on the database about 3 or 4 mph faster. My personal guess is that you'll do better than that if you keep working at it.
AgentDad,
About 6'2" or 6'3" tall and 7.5 to 8 mph faster. He looks to be reaching the upper edges of the database by then so it probably isn't very accurate at his top end.
About 6'2" or 6'3" tall and 7.5 to 8 mph faster. He looks to be reaching the upper edges of the database by then so it probably isn't very accurate at his top end.
itsagreatgame,
Glad to be of help. I won't send you a bill for the advice if you don't send me the doctor's bills.
Simple aging can also be a great aid to former fastball velocity. My fastball as an 18yo got much faster as I got older. (Unfortunately, I've seen enough good HS pitchers lately and found out that their gun readings weren't really that high so the fastball I had at 18 has gotten a bit slower lately. 30 years from now today's kids will have to deal with gun readings when they try to overestimate how hard they used to throw when they were in HS.)
I might get to see a legit 15yo HS flamethrower on Friday as I'm going to try to catch SoCalDadX5's son's game, weather and work permitting.
Glad to be of help. I won't send you a bill for the advice if you don't send me the doctor's bills.
Simple aging can also be a great aid to former fastball velocity. My fastball as an 18yo got much faster as I got older. (Unfortunately, I've seen enough good HS pitchers lately and found out that their gun readings weren't really that high so the fastball I had at 18 has gotten a bit slower lately. 30 years from now today's kids will have to deal with gun readings when they try to overestimate how hard they used to throw when they were in HS.)
I might get to see a legit 15yo HS flamethrower on Friday as I'm going to try to catch SoCalDadX5's son's game, weather and work permitting.
CADad,
My youngest pitches and catches. He's 15yr, 4mon. Closed last 2 innings of HS game Fiday. FB was 83-86. He hit 87 once. He's 5'-9" 150lbs.
Your thoughts??
My youngest pitches and catches. He's 15yr, 4mon. Closed last 2 innings of HS game Fiday. FB was 83-86. He hit 87 once. He's 5'-9" 150lbs.
Your thoughts??
Catching Coach,
Depends on when he reached maturity but he throws very hard. He doesn't fit into the database and I wouldn't even try to predict how hard he'll end up throwing.
The growth charts put him at 5'11" eventually, but as hard as he's already throwing height isn't likely to be any more of a problem for him than it is for Pedro or Billy.
The kid I'm hoping to see throw on Friday is throwing high 80s and has hit low 90s. He's also 15yo but a lot bigger than your son so far. He's also a catcher and one of the best hitters in one of the best HS leagues in the country.
Depends on when he reached maturity but he throws very hard. He doesn't fit into the database and I wouldn't even try to predict how hard he'll end up throwing.
The growth charts put him at 5'11" eventually, but as hard as he's already throwing height isn't likely to be any more of a problem for him than it is for Pedro or Billy.
The kid I'm hoping to see throw on Friday is throwing high 80s and has hit low 90s. He's also 15yo but a lot bigger than your son so far. He's also a catcher and one of the best hitters in one of the best HS leagues in the country.
CADad,
The 5'11 sounds right. I'm 5-10, 20 yr old son is 5-11 and change, 22 yr old son is catcher and is 5-9 and change. My brother is tallest in recent generations at 6' even.
He's grown almost a full inch since his school physical in August.
The 5'11 sounds right. I'm 5-10, 20 yr old son is 5-11 and change, 22 yr old son is catcher and is 5-9 and change. My brother is tallest in recent generations at 6' even.
He's grown almost a full inch since his school physical in August.
Gosh, I never should have even started this topic. We should all just stop worrying what were going to be, and go work hard and become the best we can be.
CADad im 16 and 9 months and throwing around
87-89
87-89
naaman,
The database effectively ends at about 17yo so it won't predict increases after that. The reality is pitchers usually gain a little bit between 17 and 18 but the database doesn't reflect that.
The database effectively ends at about 17yo so it won't predict increases after that. The reality is pitchers usually gain a little bit between 17 and 18 but the database doesn't reflect that.
I am 15 years old, 4 months. I throw 60-65. I am 5'6" 110 pounds. My mom is 6' and my dad is 6'2". Not many short people in my family.
KT,
Based on the growth charts an increase of 6 or 7 mph. If you use the average of parents heights +3" rule then about 10 mph. My guess would be, given your parents heights and how thin you are that you haven't matured yet and you'll pick up a bit more velocity than that.
Based on the growth charts an increase of 6 or 7 mph. If you use the average of parents heights +3" rule then about 10 mph. My guess would be, given your parents heights and how thin you are that you haven't matured yet and you'll pick up a bit more velocity than that.
CADad
We have a boy in our Dixie league that is 12yo 3 mos, 5'4". I gunned him last night with my Stalker while he was pitching a game. He hit 71 several times and cruised 68-69. He is the best pitcher in our league. How does he project and where would he rank in your area?
We have a boy in our Dixie league that is 12yo 3 mos, 5'4". I gunned him last night with my Stalker while he was pitching a game. He hit 71 several times and cruised 68-69. He is the best pitcher in our league. How does he project and where would he rank in your area?
quote:Originally posted by Bplr:
Gosh, I never should have even started this topic. We should all just stop worrying what were going to be, and go work hard and become the best we can be.
You just never can tell. Generalizations can be good if the data looks hopeful, or stunting (is that a word?) if it doesn't. My son has picked up 10mph on his top end in 10 months. That doesn't fit any charts, and he hasn't grown much in that time. He has just worked very, very hard.
You just never can tell!
Callaway,
Wow. On the order of 20 mph harder as a HS junior or senior. That kid ranks near the top velocity wise in any area. That is the speed a top LL all-star pitcher is going to be throwing about this time of year and he's 6 months or so younger than the typical LLWS smoke thrower. If he's got any control and any sort of an off speed pitch he'd dominate all but the top select teams and he'd do fairly well against them. That is roughly how hard the kid from our area who won the LLWS US championship game threw at about the same time of year and he was already 5'9" or 5'10".
Isn't he just going to miss the age change? Imagine him being a 12yo again next year.
Wow. On the order of 20 mph harder as a HS junior or senior. That kid ranks near the top velocity wise in any area. That is the speed a top LL all-star pitcher is going to be throwing about this time of year and he's 6 months or so younger than the typical LLWS smoke thrower. If he's got any control and any sort of an off speed pitch he'd dominate all but the top select teams and he'd do fairly well against them. That is roughly how hard the kid from our area who won the LLWS US championship game threw at about the same time of year and he was already 5'9" or 5'10".
Isn't he just going to miss the age change? Imagine him being a 12yo again next year.
CADad
I thought that he was pretty special. He has pin-point control and a slider that buckles knees. In 6 innings last night he threw the slider twice, everything else was FB in, out, high and low. His mechanics are smooth and effortless. His dad was a successful pitcher for Clemson years ago. The sad part is that his dad passed-away last year unexpectedly, so he has had some tough going.
Last weekend he hit 5 HR's in two games at a USSSA tournament for his travel team.
I thought that he was pretty special. He has pin-point control and a slider that buckles knees. In 6 innings last night he threw the slider twice, everything else was FB in, out, high and low. His mechanics are smooth and effortless. His dad was a successful pitcher for Clemson years ago. The sad part is that his dad passed-away last year unexpectedly, so he has had some tough going.
Last weekend he hit 5 HR's in two games at a USSSA tournament for his travel team.
Ok CalDad I cant resist. My son 15 years 6 months. 6'0 205 83 on the stalker to 2b he is a cathcer. No gun time for about a year now on the hill because he never pitches for us. Pitching coach for our HS wants him to work this summer on pitching. How does he project velocity wise? He is 2.0 non game pops to 2b game pops consistently 2.1 and accurate.
Coach May,
Probably about 5 mph increase. As I'm sure you're very aware from coaching HS kids they all grow and mature at different rates and it can make a big difference. Put them all together and they should generally follow these trends. Take any one individual and who knows?
Probably about 5 mph increase. As I'm sure you're very aware from coaching HS kids they all grow and mature at different rates and it can make a big difference. Put them all together and they should generally follow these trends. Take any one individual and who knows?
Callaway,
What level is his USSSA team playing at and how well does he do pitching in those?
What level is his USSSA team playing at and how well does he do pitching in those?
CADad
Jake Wolff plays for a AA USSSA local 12U team. The team is mediocre at best (16-20 rec.), however Jake is obviously a standout. The team plays against MAJ & AAA teams. Jake does very well, but, as you know, you can't win much with one quality pitcher.
Jake Wolff plays for a AA USSSA local 12U team. The team is mediocre at best (16-20 rec.), however Jake is obviously a standout. The team plays against MAJ & AAA teams. Jake does very well, but, as you know, you can't win much with one quality pitcher.
CADad, just one more.
14yr, 6mo, 5'7" 72-74
14yr, 6mo, 5'7" 72-74
Rapidfire,
About 10 mph. Remember maturity plays into this pretty heavily. Typically, kids make their biggest gains over the year or two in which they mature.
About 10 mph. Remember maturity plays into this pretty heavily. Typically, kids make their biggest gains over the year or two in which they mature.
Don't know if your charts go this low but worth a try if you're up to it CADad:
11 years 4 months, 5'2, 110 lbs.
60-62
11 years 4 months, 5'2, 110 lbs.
60-62
BBfam,
They don't go that low. If I had to make a guess I'd say an increase of about 23 mph. The reality is that any prediction only gives a ballpark and doesn't take into account differences between individuals and if you then add the fact that he's much further from the end age I'd recommend you take my answer with a grain of salt, to say the least.
I'd be much more comfortable saying that he's likely to be throwing 64-67 this time next year and maybe a bit more if he has an early growth spurt.
They don't go that low. If I had to make a guess I'd say an increase of about 23 mph. The reality is that any prediction only gives a ballpark and doesn't take into account differences between individuals and if you then add the fact that he's much further from the end age I'd recommend you take my answer with a grain of salt, to say the least.
I'd be much more comfortable saying that he's likely to be throwing 64-67 this time next year and maybe a bit more if he has an early growth spurt.
CADad,
I am 15 years old, 5 month. I am 5'10" and 150. I topp out at 78 to 80. My Dad is 6'0" and my mom is 5'6". Thanks.
I am 15 years old, 5 month. I am 5'10" and 150. I topp out at 78 to 80. My Dad is 6'0" and my mom is 5'6". Thanks.
Bplr,
Tommy John surgery is a way to make your arm stronger. I am not being serious here though. You dont want to have the surgery. Plus, you dont want to get hurt like that and the success rate is only like 70%. I hurt my arm in high school and now I probably throw about 5-8mph faster after the surgery. That comes from all the rehab I had to do. I still wont pitch again, because I now have a lot better than average arm for the outfield (able to throw about 330ft no more than 6-8ft off the ground.) I will stick with outfield from now on and have a better shot at making it big that way. Hope all works out for you.
Alex
Tommy John surgery is a way to make your arm stronger. I am not being serious here though. You dont want to have the surgery. Plus, you dont want to get hurt like that and the success rate is only like 70%. I hurt my arm in high school and now I probably throw about 5-8mph faster after the surgery. That comes from all the rehab I had to do. I still wont pitch again, because I now have a lot better than average arm for the outfield (able to throw about 330ft no more than 6-8ft off the ground.) I will stick with outfield from now on and have a better shot at making it big that way. Hope all works out for you.
Alex
CADad:
Hope I'm not too late, I just found your rating post. Here' my stats. 17 yrs. 4 months - junior. 6'5" 190 lb. Was gunned in April at 85-86.
Hope I'm not too late, I just found your rating post. Here' my stats. 17 yrs. 4 months - junior. 6'5" 190 lb. Was gunned in April at 85-86.
CaDad I am 14 and 1 month old. Currently I am about 5'5 and weigh 175lbs. I throw 62-65. Thanks
CADad,
Where did you go? My info is 4 posts up. Thanks.
Where did you go? My info is 4 posts up. Thanks.