Yup, I agree with ssmom. Appears to be a reincarnation of our beloved themez, after he went to his ESL classes.quote:Originally posted by baseballdad91:
KnightTime, I appreciate helpful comments or constructive criticism, but not the sniping. No, my son is not out of shape. He is a sophomore, 5'10, 145 lbs, second year Varsity wrestler, runs a quick 40, has consistently been a team leader for the last 7-8 years in BA, RBI's, Slugging %, stolen bases, runs scored and usually posts a high OBA. Very few strikeouts.
I upset the coach, obviously. I am not trying to bash them, but it does seem like they are punishing him and I was hoping that maybe I could get some constructive help for him. He is passionate about the game, but his spirit is getting broken down by seeing players batting .200-.250 playing while he watches. If you can't contribute anything useful, please don't reply. I know I made a mistake and want to help make it better.
quote:Originally posted by baseballdad91:
KnightTime, I appreciate helpful comments or constructive criticism, but not the sniping. No, my son is not out of shape. He is a sophomore, 5'10, 145 lbs, second year Varsity wrestler, runs a quick 40, has consistently been a team leader for the last 7-8 years in BA, RBI's, Slugging %, stolen bases, runs scored and usually posts a high OBA. Very few strikeouts.
I upset the coach, obviously. I am not trying to bash them, but it does seem like they are punishing him and I was hoping that maybe I could get some constructive help for him. He is passionate about the game, but his spirit is getting broken down by seeing players batting .200-.250 playing while he watches. If you can't contribute anything useful, please don't reply. I know I made a mistake and want to help make it better.
Hey, how about you be happy your son has an opportunity to play? My son out hit every kid on his team this summer. He got cut and kids who hit 0.200 made the HS team. Right about now, my son would be thrilled to ride pine.
OK this has to be a made up story. Although I will tell you my son is 16 throws in the high 90s to low 100s with a 58 mph change up that he can throw for strikes. He is a switch pitcher but better curve ball left handed. The problem is our coach won't let him play because knocks over 7-11s on the weekends..
Remember the MUNSTERS episode where Herman gets a tryout with the Dodgers and is.....overpowering to say the least.....and ends up getting cut 'cause no one will play with him anymore.
LOL!!!!
That was on last week!!! When I was "sick" and had to take a day off!!!
Too funny!
That was on last week!!! When I was "sick" and had to take a day off!!!
Too funny!
quote:Originally posted by Krakatoa:
Remember the MUNSTERS episode where Herman gets a tryout with the Dodgers and is.....overpowering to say the least.....and ends up getting cut 'cause no one will play with him anymore.
There will never be anything ever that can touch the Munsters. I still never miss an episode. Good post Krak
WOW. Great job people. We should really be proud of oursevles here. Some guy 13 posts ago [14 after mine goes up] made his last atempt to explain his position and we are still piling it on. Great job. What we have proven here is that any new member who wants to know how to handle a provblem with a vindictive coach is going to get SQUAT from us. Because we all know there are no vindictive coaches that EVER SIT DOWN ANYBODY WHO BATS .700. So this guy must a liar. In fact, he may be putting us all on like that guy, you know, that did it before. Therefore, the father is resposible for whatever is going on with his son because we all know it cannot under any circumstances EVER BE THE COACHES. They are all innocent even when we don't know all the facts because if you would just give us all the facts they will always be innocent.
Sometimes reading some of the posts on this site makes me sick. My personal thanks goes out to obrady, powertoallfields, Infield08, yankeelvr, Konsole, Dizzy, P1tickethead110, emeraldvlly, switchhitter, Estone28 & CPLZ for trying to answer this concerned parent's question with an unbiased approach.
TW344
Sometimes reading some of the posts on this site makes me sick. My personal thanks goes out to obrady, powertoallfields, Infield08, yankeelvr, Konsole, Dizzy, P1tickethead110, emeraldvlly, switchhitter, Estone28 & CPLZ for trying to answer this concerned parent's question with an unbiased approach.
TW344
I am putting another post right underneath this one because I know that most of you skip my posts anyway and you will probably never realize I ever even said anything.
Have a great baseball season.
TW344
Have a great baseball season.
TW344
I know you're mad TW344, but that last post was really funny! 
I'm not laughing at you, but cheering your cleverness!
And you're right...there are some real knuckleheads out there coaching...just like in all walks of life.
And there has been some good, constructive advice offered.
I'm not laughing at you, but cheering your cleverness!
And you're right...there are some real knuckleheads out there coaching...just like in all walks of life.
And there has been some good, constructive advice offered.
quote:
Sometimes reading some of the posts on this site makes me sick. My personal thanks goes out to obrady, powertoallfields, Infield08, yankeelvr, Konsole, Dizzy, P1tickethead110, emeraldvlly, switchhitter, Estone28 & CPLZ for trying to answer this concerned parent's question with an unbiased approach.
TW344
Thank you TW344 for your post. Seems most of the posts on here are people who live to put others down. I was hoping for some advice, and as like you said, those you listed did give me some good advice and I would like to thank them.
And for those of us who did not make the thank you list,.....well,
...... there's always next year.
TW344:
Will this help?
Come on,....ya had to at least get a chuckle out of the picture of Herman Munster at bat!
Wheres Krak's kudos?
...... there's always next year.
TW344:
quote:Sometimes reading some of the posts on this site makes me sick
Will this help?
Come on,....ya had to at least get a chuckle out of the picture of Herman Munster at bat!
Wheres Krak's kudos?
Dad,
Here are some points I would make after reading this thread and your bio.
1.) Whether we as parents like it or not, our determination of who is "highly talented" is nearly always through a parent's rose colored glasses. The true measure of whether a player is "highly talented" is made by others, and often it is coaches.
2.) Do not let your son ever hear you refer to the coaches as vindictive or anything of that sort. He is the one dealing with them everyday and trying to earn the opportunity to play. He needs to be able to do that free of any influence of that type.
3.) The thing your son can do, and you need to help him to do, is to control on the baseball field what he can control. He hustles more than anyone.
He is the first to practice, the last to leave.
When he isn't playing, he is cheering. When he is playing he plays smart and he plays hard. When he leaves the baseball field, he needs to be able to say to himself he did everything he could, every minute he was there.
When he leaves the field each day, he needs to be able to say he knew what the coaches expected of him, and he did everything he could to exceed their expectations.
4.) Quit paying attention to stats and how he compares with others on the team. Neither he nor you can control his stats, other players stats, and how other players perform.
5.) If he is very talented, and the hardest worker on the team, he will play as talent, combined with hard work, almost never gets overlooked.
Here are some points I would make after reading this thread and your bio.
1.) Whether we as parents like it or not, our determination of who is "highly talented" is nearly always through a parent's rose colored glasses. The true measure of whether a player is "highly talented" is made by others, and often it is coaches.
2.) Do not let your son ever hear you refer to the coaches as vindictive or anything of that sort. He is the one dealing with them everyday and trying to earn the opportunity to play. He needs to be able to do that free of any influence of that type.
3.) The thing your son can do, and you need to help him to do, is to control on the baseball field what he can control. He hustles more than anyone.
He is the first to practice, the last to leave.
When he isn't playing, he is cheering. When he is playing he plays smart and he plays hard. When he leaves the baseball field, he needs to be able to say to himself he did everything he could, every minute he was there.
When he leaves the field each day, he needs to be able to say he knew what the coaches expected of him, and he did everything he could to exceed their expectations.
4.) Quit paying attention to stats and how he compares with others on the team. Neither he nor you can control his stats, other players stats, and how other players perform.
5.) If he is very talented, and the hardest worker on the team, he will play as talent, combined with hard work, almost never gets overlooked.
Infielddad, that was the most insightful, intelligent and helpful post on here. No smart*** comments, not sniping, no accusations, just good advice. Thank you.
baseballdad91,
Glad you got what you needed.
Thats what the HSBBW is all about.
Use what works for you ( & for your son ).
Glad you got what you needed.
Thats what the HSBBW is all about.
Use what works for you ( & for your son ).
quote:Originally posted by TW344:
I am putting another post right underneath this one because I know that most of you skip my posts anyway and you will probably never realize I ever even said anything.
Have a great baseball season.
TW344
Huh? Did you say something?
quote:If he is very talented, and the hardest worker on the team, he will play as talent, combined with hard work, almost never gets overlooked
Very true.
My son had a high school teammate who played football and refused to quit the sport, much to the baseball coach's chagrin. The coach repeatedly asked him to quit and the player refused. The player was a highly-touted pitcher who touched 90 and had a "9" rating from PG, but the coach was vindictive and refused to pitch him his freshman and sophomore years. The player was tempted to quit the team, but hung tough and kept his chin up. Now, as a junior, he is in the main rotation and doing well. Basically, it got to the point where the baseball coach couldn't afford not to use him. There is hope for your son as well.
There is only one thing I would add:
Assuming that the situation is precisely as you describe it (and I have no evidence otherwise) there is some long term benefit for your son in being in this position.
This will not be the last time in his life that he will have to deal with an inherently unfair situation. In the face of this perceived injustice and still hustling every minute, being a great teammate, working hard to get better and keeping a positive attitude is something that will develop his character in ways that will not become apparent for years to come.
My son struggled through something similar in basketball a few years ago. It was very hard. I told him then that this would not be the last time he disagreed with the way a coach was using him, and he needed to learn how to overcome it and be a positive influence on the team.
As I said, it is not fun, and it is very hard. But there is somethig to be gained from it, even though it isn't nearly as much fun as playing a lot of baseball.
Assuming that the situation is precisely as you describe it (and I have no evidence otherwise) there is some long term benefit for your son in being in this position.
This will not be the last time in his life that he will have to deal with an inherently unfair situation. In the face of this perceived injustice and still hustling every minute, being a great teammate, working hard to get better and keeping a positive attitude is something that will develop his character in ways that will not become apparent for years to come.
My son struggled through something similar in basketball a few years ago. It was very hard. I told him then that this would not be the last time he disagreed with the way a coach was using him, and he needed to learn how to overcome it and be a positive influence on the team.
As I said, it is not fun, and it is very hard. But there is somethig to be gained from it, even though it isn't nearly as much fun as playing a lot of baseball.
quote:
My son had a high school teammate who played football and refused to quit the sport, much to the baseball coach's chagrin. The coach repeatedly asked him to quit and the player refused. The player was a highly-touted pitcher who touched 90 and had a "9" rating from PG, but the coach was vindictive and refused to pitch him his freshman and sophomore years. The player was tempted to quit the team, but hung tough and kept his chin up. Now, as a junior, he is in the main rotation and doing well. Basically, it got to the point where the baseball coach couldn't afford not to use him. There is hope for your son as well.
I am happy to hear about your son. My son is persevering and will not quit. They had three games in a tournament yesterday. He played one defensive inning 1st game, no AB. 2nd game he was starting pitcher, went 3 2/3 innings, 1 ER, 2 hits, 2 K's, no AB's (coach doesn't let pitchers hit), third game only pinch hitted. His first pitch he ripped a screaming line drive foul and just missed the asst. coach at 1st. Then ripped a line drive single to drive in a run. On bus ride back, he heard the coaches talking about how he was hitting the ball so hard and asst. coach was telling head coach how he was hitting it off the wall repeatedly in BP on Friday. So, maybe they are starting to notice. He will keep plugging on. Thanks, and once again, congrats to your son!
quote:Originally posted by TW344:
Sometimes reading some of the posts on this site makes me sick. My personal thanks goes out to obrady, powertoallfields, Infield08, yankeelvr, Konsole, Dizzy, P1tickethead110, emeraldvlly, switchhitter, Estone28 & CPLZ for trying to answer this concerned parent's question with an unbiased approach.
TW344
Your welcome.
So yesterday we went from:
To today:
Thats a wide span of circle to have come through in just 24 hours.
Glad it looks like things might work out after all.
Perhaps,....just perhaps,..in all fairness
those " vindictive coaches " might not be as bad as you thought they were and your son's chances of playing at the next level will pan out.
I hope so.
Time will tell, for all.
quote:The coach has effectively ruined his chance of playing college baseball.
To today:
quote:he heard the coaches talking about how he was hitting the ball so hard and asst. coach was telling head coach how he was hitting it off the wall repeatedly in BP on Friday. So, maybe they are starting to notice.
Thats a wide span of circle to have come through in just 24 hours.
Glad it looks like things might work out after all.
Perhaps,....just perhaps,..in all fairness
those " vindictive coaches " might not be as bad as you thought they were and your son's chances of playing at the next level will pan out.
I hope so.
Time will tell, for all.
I really have no opinion on most of this, but do have an interesting story. BTW, I do believe in that old saying… “The cream will always rise to the top”
We had a young kid who would come in our building every night to hit. He wasn’t a very good athlete, but he really wanted to learn and he was willing to work hard. He later played in our leagues and was always one of the top hitters. He didn’t look great, didn’t have a lot of tools, but he made himself into a very good hitter.
His junior year in high school he started the season setting on the bench. I felt like talking to the high school coach and telling him… “Hey, you do not have nine hitters better than this kid”! But our policy is to not interfere with high school coaches. It’s just that I could understand why this kid wasn’t playing. If we had only seen him for a short while, we probably wouldn’t have started him either. But we had seen him a lot and we knew what he was capable of. So we actually wrote an article on our web site about how good a hitter the kid was. We included his batting average and the fact that he had hit a home run off the top pitcher in the state who threw in the 90s. (Ended up being a 2nd round pick). Then we had a parent on the team send the coach a link to that story.
I don’t know if that really changed the coaches mind or not, but within a week he put the kid in the order as a DH. Low in the batting order, but at least he was hitting. That kid went on to set a bunch of school hitting records and became an all state 1B. Then he ended his baseball career by being named a DII All American last year. BTW, he also set many of the college hitting records.
This was not a vindictive thing at all by the coach. If you ever saw a kid who doesn’t really look great hitting, but just hit great anyway, this was him. It took awhile to recognize how good he was. It wasn’t the coaches fault. This was a story about “The cream rising to the top”!
We had a young kid who would come in our building every night to hit. He wasn’t a very good athlete, but he really wanted to learn and he was willing to work hard. He later played in our leagues and was always one of the top hitters. He didn’t look great, didn’t have a lot of tools, but he made himself into a very good hitter.
His junior year in high school he started the season setting on the bench. I felt like talking to the high school coach and telling him… “Hey, you do not have nine hitters better than this kid”! But our policy is to not interfere with high school coaches. It’s just that I could understand why this kid wasn’t playing. If we had only seen him for a short while, we probably wouldn’t have started him either. But we had seen him a lot and we knew what he was capable of. So we actually wrote an article on our web site about how good a hitter the kid was. We included his batting average and the fact that he had hit a home run off the top pitcher in the state who threw in the 90s. (Ended up being a 2nd round pick). Then we had a parent on the team send the coach a link to that story.
I don’t know if that really changed the coaches mind or not, but within a week he put the kid in the order as a DH. Low in the batting order, but at least he was hitting. That kid went on to set a bunch of school hitting records and became an all state 1B. Then he ended his baseball career by being named a DII All American last year. BTW, he also set many of the college hitting records.
This was not a vindictive thing at all by the coach. If you ever saw a kid who doesn’t really look great hitting, but just hit great anyway, this was him. It took awhile to recognize how good he was. It wasn’t the coaches fault. This was a story about “The cream rising to the top”!
To PGStaff, thank you for the post. Thought provoking.
My Munsters thing was in good-natured response to Train2.0's post, and not to the original poster at all.
Good natured it was Krak.
Some of us appreciated the smile, the light chuckle, and the memory of our beloved Herman.
Some of us appreciated the smile, the light chuckle, and the memory of our beloved Herman.
quote:Originally posted by Rob Kremer:
There is only one thing I would add:
Assuming that the situation is precisely as you describe it (and I have no evidence otherwise) there is some long term benefit for your son in being in this position.
This will not be the last time in his life that he will have to deal with an inherently unfair situation. In the face of this perceived injustice and still hustling every minute, being a great teammate, working hard to get better and keeping a positive attitude is something that will develop his character in ways that will not become apparent for years to come.
My son struggled through something similar in basketball a few years ago. It was very hard. I told him then that this would not be the last time he disagreed with the way a coach was using him, and he needed to learn how to overcome it and be a positive influence on the team.
As I said, it is not fun, and it is very hard. But there is somethig to be gained from it, even though it isn't nearly as much fun as playing a lot of baseball.
Darn it Rob! You stole my dadgum words. I get to the 87th post here and there it was....or there "they" were...all my words.
Soooooo....with that I will add this. Baseballdad91, be you real or not and your son also, adversity even at this young age will do your son more good later than you could ever imagine. It's a normal reaction for parents to quickly rush in when our kids seem to be getting treated unfairly (in our eyes). I've referred to these types of parents on here many times before as "Helicopter" parents...sitting there hovering over the kids...swooping in to protect them at moment's notice. Instead, pull back the throttle a little bit and see how he handles the situation. You just might be surprised. It teaches him how to think and work towards something he truly desires. The bonus of pulling back at first is this: it saves us from looking like total baboons!
Go buy 3 dozen new Diamond baseballs, leave them outside the coach's office door with a note that says..Coach, I have learned the hard way that my foot doesn't exactly fit in my mouth...I am sorry.
Good luck.
quote:Originally posted by shortstopmom:
So yesterday we went from:quote:The coach has effectively ruined his chance of playing college baseball.
To today:quote:he heard the coaches talking about how he was hitting the ball so hard and asst. coach was telling head coach how he was hitting it off the wall repeatedly in BP on Friday. So, maybe they are starting to notice.
Thats a wide span of circle to have come through in just 24 hours.
Glad it looks like things might work out after all.
Perhaps,....just perhaps,..in all fairness
those " vindictive coaches " might not be as bad as you thought they were and your son's chances of playing at the next level will pan out.
I hope so.
Time will tell, for all.
Gee, I noticed that also, yesterday at 2:57 he wasn't playing today at 2:07 played in all three games in some capacity. let's see by teh end of the week he might be a starter?
TW,
I always read your posts!
In fact I have read many posts of everyone for a long, long time. It's sometimes very easy to pick up on someone who wants to pull chains. If this is not the case I publicly apologize.However, don't come here telling me that you ragged on the coach last year, your son's the best on the team by posting stats, a sophmore two sport player and coach is being vindictive. Maybe just like every other player out there, he has to show commitment, put in his time, even being the "best" (in parents eyes). maybe they just aren't sure where his role is, pitcher, or position. We don't know the other side.
I think good points were made here, tell us the entire story first, stats mean squat in HS (was he playing against a good team or teh weakest in the league) and know your role as a parent.
I am amazed that most of the posters here fall into that same old mindset that the parent is always the unreasonable one and the coach is perfect. As someone who has coached for many years at every level from college on down, I can tell you with perfect comfort that there are vindictive and unreasonable coaches at every level just like any other profession. Parents get a bad rap a lot of times even though they can too be unreasonable. Here I see no evidence our questioner is unreasonable and I for one will not assume it. Judging by the stats he has a gripe, and anyone who says stats don't matter in baseball needs a cranial exam. Give this parent a break. We're supposed to be here for his/her kids, not vice versa.
bbd91 sometimes it is really hard to accept that our sons are not playing all the time.the best thing to do is stay away from the coach and dont complain to other parents.that sometimes gets back to the coach.keep your son positive if he hears you talking bad about the coach he could have abad attitude also and the coach can sense that.A good attitude, hustle,team player will probably give him a chance at some point in the season.Tell him to keep working his butt off in practice.The coach will notice.
Hands on hips,..foot tapping,... apron a little untidy ( been in the baseball trenches. )
Well,....I am personally amazed at a brand new poster who makes his very first-ever posting and immediately condems others for their thoughts and opinions
without so much as even a " hello-all " and at minimal, a small fruit basket in hand.
But what do I know,...I'm just a mom. ( Granted, it was 12:55 a.m. )
So in the interest of courtesy and as self appointed secretary of the Meet & Greet club,
" Welcome new HSBBW poster mespo727272! "
( insert formal ballerina curtsey here )
Nice to meet cha'. ( insert hand shake here )
Now, about the above statement......
It is apparant that you believe stats matter.
Gotcha'.
Friendly FYI: Not everyone thinks this way and in my opinion, they are allowed their opinion without needing a cranial exam.
I wasn't aware that this discussion was a tally competiton between his side/their side.
( I must have been snoozing under a basket of turnips )
Baseballdad91 came on the HSBWW,
made some statements,
made some accusations,
and then asked;
Many gave their opinions and there was a variety of input for a variety of reasons.
That's what happens on an open message board.
Ideas are thrown out for the taking or the leaving.
Baseballdad91 did come on here calling the coaches " vindictive ", stated that his son was " black listed ", accused the coaches of effectively ruining his son's chance of playing college baseball, and added a few choice words to describe a fellow team mate.
( I quote: " fat, slow, weak hitting " )
Those points are certainly capable of raising an eyebrow or two,..... true or not.
Those coaches/team mate are not here to defend themselves from such an accusation. In the interest of fairness, all sides need to be examined to come to a viable conclusion/solution.
It sounds to me like even though baseballdad91 didnt like all of the comments he was given, ( and posters disagreed with one another ) he did use some of them and better yet, .....it sounds like things are improving for his son. If the HSBBW had even a tiny part in that, then HSBBW Mission accomplished.
( I have a feeling though that the credit goes to the athlete himself & to his coaches! )
I respectfully disagree with you.
It is my opinion that we are here for the better of a game called baseball; and ALL of the entities that make it what it was, what it is today, and what it will be.
Well,....I am personally amazed at a brand new poster who makes his very first-ever posting and immediately condems others for their thoughts and opinions
without so much as even a " hello-all " and at minimal, a small fruit basket in hand.
But what do I know,...I'm just a mom.
( Granted, it was 12:55 a.m. )So in the interest of courtesy and as self appointed secretary of the Meet & Greet club,
" Welcome new HSBBW poster mespo727272! "
( insert formal ballerina curtsey here )
quote:Judging by the stats he has a gripe, and anyone who says stats don't matter in baseball needs a cranial exam.
Nice to meet cha'. ( insert hand shake here )
Now, about the above statement......
It is apparant that you believe stats matter.
Gotcha'.
Friendly FYI: Not everyone thinks this way and in my opinion, they are allowed their opinion without needing a cranial exam.
quote:Give this parent a break.
I wasn't aware that this discussion was a tally competiton between his side/their side.
( I must have been snoozing under a basket of turnips )
Baseballdad91 came on the HSBWW,
made some statements,
made some accusations,
and then asked;
quote:Any suggestions on how to handle?
Many gave their opinions and there was a variety of input for a variety of reasons.
That's what happens on an open message board.
Ideas are thrown out for the taking or the leaving.
Baseballdad91 did come on here calling the coaches " vindictive ", stated that his son was " black listed ", accused the coaches of effectively ruining his son's chance of playing college baseball, and added a few choice words to describe a fellow team mate.
( I quote: " fat, slow, weak hitting " )
Those points are certainly capable of raising an eyebrow or two,..... true or not.
Those coaches/team mate are not here to defend themselves from such an accusation. In the interest of fairness, all sides need to be examined to come to a viable conclusion/solution.
It sounds to me like even though baseballdad91 didnt like all of the comments he was given, ( and posters disagreed with one another ) he did use some of them and better yet, .....it sounds like things are improving for his son. If the HSBBW had even a tiny part in that, then HSBBW Mission accomplished.
( I have a feeling though that the credit goes to the athlete himself & to his coaches!
) quote:We're supposed to be here for his/her kids, not vice versa
I respectfully disagree with you.
It is my opinion that we are here for the better of a game called baseball; and ALL of the entities that make it what it was, what it is today, and what it will be.
quote:It is my opinion that we are here for the better of a game called baseball; and ALL of the entities that make it what it was, what it is today , and what it will be.
I like that! PS: Can I save that and use it sometime?
PG,
It is true that we as coaches get very much caught up in the look and gait of the athlete. I liked your story and it reminds me of the dozens of times my eyes have been opened by players that when given only a cursory look, I rushed to negative judgement only to be proved wrong.
It's testimony not only to the mindset of coaches, but also the heart of the athlete.
It is true that we as coaches get very much caught up in the look and gait of the athlete. I liked your story and it reminds me of the dozens of times my eyes have been opened by players that when given only a cursory look, I rushed to negative judgement only to be proved wrong.
It's testimony not only to the mindset of coaches, but also the heart of the athlete.
always_late:
Yes of course,.....but only if you play " God Bless America " in the background at the same time.
quote:PS: Can I save that and use it sometime?
Yes of course,.....but only if you play " God Bless America " in the background at the same time.
quote:I met with the HS head coach of the program and expressed displeasure that he was not being allowed to play even though he was a much better player than many other starters. I also expressed some dismay that they actually played him a few innings at third base (he is a lefty) and had never played 3rd before. His natural and best position is 1st base, but they played a fat, slow, weak hitting player at 1st because "that's the only place we can put him."
Not the right approach.
There are any number of reasons that the coach may appear to be vindictive. Last year my son played behind an inferior player whose uncle was the athletic director and whose family included generations of coaches and administrators at the school. This year my son is a starter and I am sure that there are several sets of parents who are puzzled why he is starting ahead of their sons. There is a kid on the team this year who is not a varsity player, but his father donated a new scoreboard. Fortunately, no one was cut to make room for the kid.
It does seem odd for a coach to bench a slugger like that or to play a leftie at 3B. Either move seems detrimental to the team. I am sure we don't know all the facts. However, we have all seen coaches act in ways that defy explanation.
This is another situation that requires a serious discussion with the coach and perhaps the athletic director - away from the field. Unless he is looney, though, the coach is the boss. If the situation cannot be resolved you may have to rely on summer travel teams for exposure. As several posters have noted that is probably more effective than high school anyway.
Also take a look at the recruiting forum, particularly discussions about scholarships. Unless the kid is a stud pitcher don't expect much in the way of scholarship money. Baseball is not like football or hoops where a scholarship is essentially a full ride. Is it worth spending thousands (10's of thousands?) of dollars over up to a decade of travel ball to earn a $2000 a year scholarship? Spend what you like, but do it for the fun and experience.
It does seem odd for a coach to bench a slugger like that or to play a leftie at 3B. Either move seems detrimental to the team. I am sure we don't know all the facts. However, we have all seen coaches act in ways that defy explanation.
This is another situation that requires a serious discussion with the coach and perhaps the athletic director - away from the field. Unless he is looney, though, the coach is the boss. If the situation cannot be resolved you may have to rely on summer travel teams for exposure. As several posters have noted that is probably more effective than high school anyway.
Also take a look at the recruiting forum, particularly discussions about scholarships. Unless the kid is a stud pitcher don't expect much in the way of scholarship money. Baseball is not like football or hoops where a scholarship is essentially a full ride. Is it worth spending thousands (10's of thousands?) of dollars over up to a decade of travel ball to earn a $2000 a year scholarship? Spend what you like, but do it for the fun and experience.
Yes, my kids H.S. coach certainly dislikes my kid and the family. We looked into transfering but now I am glad he did not. H.S. ball is like rec ball, for fun or at least an experience, but it means very little if your kid wants to play competitively in college. A small school meant at some time he was going to play, at least a bit, and the stories about his foolish coach will last us a lifetime. I think people now know they are not spending money on summer ball for a baseball scholarship, but more for a slot on a team where the competition is fierce to get one.
Just curious...who made the judgment that the player playing ahead of your son was inferior? I am sure there are several sets of parents on nearly every team in America who are puzzled by why their kids are not in the starting lineup. Must be politics.quote:Originally posted by mcdad2:
There are any number of reasons that the coach may appear to be vindictive. Last year my son played behind an inferior player whose uncle was the athletic director and whose family included generations of coaches and administrators at the school. This year my son is a starter and I am sure that there are several sets of parents who are puzzled why he is starting ahead of their sons. There is a kid on the team this year who is not a varsity player, but his father donated a new scoreboard. Fortunately, no one was cut to make room for the kid.
Why even mention the son of the scoreboard donator, especially when "no one was cut to make room for the kid?" Just to cement your belief that politics MUST be driving all decisions made in your program?
Does the nephew of your AD ever stand a chance of being a legitimate starter, in the eyes of the other players' parents, or will he forever be condemned with the political tag? How about the scoreboard donator's son?
quote:I think people now know they are not spending money on summer ball for a baseball scholarship, but more for a slot on a team where the competition is fierce to get one.
Boy, I hope that isn't the reason people are spending all that money on travel teams, lessons, showcases, and the like.
None of that gets any player a slot on a college team.
It might get him some scholarship money(might not) or help get your son admitted, but it does not get him a slot.
What gets him a slot is his talent and how he performs when he gets to college, on the field and in the classroom, beginning in Fall and in Fall ball.
All the money being spent should be done with the sole purpose, in my view, of supporting your son in his effort to be a better player, helping to foster his love for the game and ability to compete, provide an expansion of his social relationships, and to allow his skills to be seen.
Beyond that it is his talent on the field, his love for the game, and, for college, how he does in the classroom that will provide the answers.
I think I am in the vast minority.
It is my feeling that those who see the money spent between ages 14-18 as an "investment" toward some "expectation" or "assurance/security" at the next level are setting themselves up to be seriously disappointed.
More importantly, I believe it is very unfair to the player.
Why does your HS coach certainly dislike your kid and the family? The entire family? What in the world did you do that the HS coach is taking it out on the family?quote:Originally posted by smalltown:
Yes, my kids H.S. coach certainly dislikes my kid and the family. We looked into transfering but now I am glad he did not. H.S. ball is like rec ball, for fun or at least an experience, but it means very little if your kid wants to play competitively in college. A small school meant at some time he was going to play, at least a bit, and the stories about his foolish coach will last us a lifetime. I think people now know they are not spending money on summer ball for a baseball scholarship, but more for a slot on a team where the competition is fierce to get one.
This is one of your posts from another thread:
6 different coaches since 9th grade? What's up with that?quote:Originally posted by smalltown:
That's why you need to play for multiple teams and coaches. My kids played for 6 different coaches since 9th grade and only one is bad (h.s.) It gives you some comparison to see if your opinion is just that or more.
From reading some of these posts I'm getting the impression high school coaches tack pictures to the wall, get out their "I don't like them" dart, take a shot at the wall, then proceed to dislike a player.
If a coach doesn't like a player it's something the player did or something the parent did (or didn't do). And don't think for a second a reputation can't follow a kid or a parent from previous years or other sports.
Coaches don't just "don't like" players.
If a coach doesn't like a player it's something the player did or something the parent did (or didn't do). And don't think for a second a reputation can't follow a kid or a parent from previous years or other sports.
Coaches don't just "don't like" players.
Why is a new member scolded for stating his opinion? Are only "old-timers" allowed that priviledge?
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