following 3up - 3down's idea I've created this thread to provide updates through out this baseball season on all that's going on w/ the WCAC (Washington Catholic Athletic Conference) including reports, rankings, scores, etc.
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to kick off this seasons preseason info here is a review of what happened last year:
2007
Washington Catholic Athletic Conference
Season in Review
W C A C Overall Runs Runs League Runs Runs
Teams Record Scored Allowed Record Scored Allowed
Paul VI 27-4 253 74 17-2 129 31
St. Johns 23-6 231 79 16-3 149 43
DeMatha 20-10 198 134 13-5 123 75
Gonzaga 18-11 215 152 11-7 125 83
O’Connell 12-10 165 164 9-8 128 134
Good Counsel 6-16 139 188 5-12 108 142
St Mary’s Ryken 3-15 68 165 3-13 62 144
Ireton 6-15 108 174 4-14 87 145
McNamara 2-19 70 216 1-15 46 160
Visit www.dcsportsfan.com for all the latest information on the WCAC baseball season in 2008. This site is also a great source of information regarding past seasons. Simply go to the site and then click on high schools, scroll down til you reach WCAC baseball and click. Once the new page opens you'll see all the latest regarding records and all the latest articles written about the various baseball teams in the WCAC through out the entire season.
2007
Washington Catholic Athletic Conference
Season in Review
W C A C Overall Runs Runs League Runs Runs
Teams Record Scored Allowed Record Scored Allowed
Paul VI 27-4 253 74 17-2 129 31
St. Johns 23-6 231 79 16-3 149 43
DeMatha 20-10 198 134 13-5 123 75
Gonzaga 18-11 215 152 11-7 125 83
O’Connell 12-10 165 164 9-8 128 134
Good Counsel 6-16 139 188 5-12 108 142
St Mary’s Ryken 3-15 68 165 3-13 62 144
Ireton 6-15 108 174 4-14 87 145
McNamara 2-19 70 216 1-15 46 160
Visit www.dcsportsfan.com for all the latest information on the WCAC baseball season in 2008. This site is also a great source of information regarding past seasons. Simply go to the site and then click on high schools, scroll down til you reach WCAC baseball and click. Once the new page opens you'll see all the latest regarding records and all the latest articles written about the various baseball teams in the WCAC through out the entire season.
Can you compare Paul VI and St Johns for this year? I just read where SJ has 10 players signed to play in college next year with Scott Silverstein (UVa) and LJ Hoes (North Carolina) leading the list.
Should be a couple of great games when they match up with PVI. Thoughts?
Should be a couple of great games when they match up with PVI. Thoughts?
quote:Originally posted by j2h6:
following 3up - 3down's idea I've created this thread to provide updates through out this baseball season on all that's going on w/ the WCAC (Washington Catholic Athletic Conference) including reports, rankings, scores, etc.
Since the WCAC info you want to update on this site if available (from WCAC, and many of the schools web sites (i.e. PIV, McNamara, GC, DeMatha, St. John etc)), the simple question to ask is......
Why?
Since many readers of this forum do not frequent those other sites, my simple question to you is...
Why not?
Is there something wrong with spreading the info about these fine players and teams to others that may be interested?
Why not?
Is there something wrong with spreading the info about these fine players and teams to others that may be interested?
I'll start with St. Johns College HS in DC. Coach Mark Gibbs ('96) is in his second year as head coach, he replaced his father Coach Ed Gibbs ('67) who is in his 2nd year as an assistant but prior to that had been the head coach for St. Johns for 14 years and IMO the mastermind behind their success and creating their slogan "the greatest show on dirt". Mark did a tremendous job taking over from his father last year and St. Johns finished with an over all record of 23-6. The season last year was highlighted by several outstanding performances by a plethera of talented ball players. In the 2007 season it was another year of highlights for LJ Hoes(OF/RHP - North Carolina), receiving his 2nd first team Washington Post ALL-MET selection, while also receiving ALL-AMERICAN honors. Scott Silverstein(LHP/DH - Virginia) had a break out year and really put himself on the map as being one of the top LHP's in the country. Connor Hoehn(RHP - Alabama) had another great year and eventually was drafted in the 21st round in the '07 MLB Draft. There were additional strong performances by Matt Mack(3B - Radford) and Cory Beahm(MIF - Hartford).
This season St. John's has already been marked as the team to beat having received early recognition by Collegiate Baseball as the Nation's #2 high school team. There are a couple players who've also received some early ALL-AMERICAN nods in LJ Hoes and Scott Silverstein. In addition to Hoes and Silverstein, Hugh Adams(RHP - Florida Atlantic) will be epected to pick up where Connor Hoehn left off and St. Johns will be expecting big years from Matt Mack and Cory Beahm. St. Johns will clearly be one of those teams in the top 3 in the WCAC (Washington Catholic Athletic Conference) this year. The real question for me is how will the new players they add to their starting line up help and contribute to re-establishing them at the top where they're accustom to always being. They struggled at times offensively last year but they made up for that lack of offense at times with their depth in the pitching department. This year they have one standout on the mound in Silverstein who will be the top pitcher in the WCAC, after that they'll need some outstanding performances from both Adams and Nick Routt(LHP-Mississippi State). Offensively, Hoes will lead the pack for them and I'd expect improvements from both Mack and Beahm while Silverstein will also contribute with the stick.
I look for more information coming out over the next couple weeks once rosters are set and roles are established but never over look the cadets. There will be additional rankings coming out soon and expect to see St. John's name appear a few more times on these lists. St. John's set another record in our area when they announced the early signings of 9 players who'll go on to play baseball at the next level. St. Johns has since added one to that list which I've posted below along with a link to their 2008 schedule:
Hugh Adams - Florida Atlantic University
Cory Beahm - University of Hartford
Jeff Flax - LaSalle University
LJ Hoes - University of North Carolina
Michael Loeb - Davidson College
Matt Mack - Radford University
Craig Miller - LaSalle University
Iggy Rodriguez - Swarthmore College
Nick Routt - Mississippi State University
Scott Silverstein - University of Virginia
St. Johns 2008 Schedule
Paul VI HS in Fairfax VA is lead by Coach Billy Emerson now in his sixth year as head coach. Paul VI during Coach Emerson's tenure has been impressive, compiling an over all win/loss record of 111-41 over the past five years. Paul VI has set the bench mark over the last 3 years having gone back to back to back 23+ game winning seasons while compiling a record of 77-17, the most wins of any program over that stretch than any other school in the Washington DC area. Paul VI finished last year by setting their school record for most wins in a season by going 27-4 and won the WCAC Division and Conference Championships. Paul VI last year was lead by several outstanding performances highlighted by an amazing junior class. Peter Verdin(OF/RHP - Georgia) had another banner year leading the panthers offensively. In Peter's two years at Paul VI he has set several single season records which include, hits, doubles, stolen bases and runs scored. Peter has already set the career record for stolen bases at Paul VI and looks to break several others in 2008. Zach Costello(OF - Delaware) had an oustanding senior year for Paul VI and finished an amazing career at Paul VI. There were other highlighted performances by Brett Bowers(3B/MIF - East Carolina), Matt Murakami(MIF - Maryland), Reed Bromley(1B/DH - Undecided) among others. In 2007 Mike Mitchell (RHP/C/1B - undecided) had a break out year and simply dominated conference and out of conference foes alike. Mitchell finished the year 8-1 suffering his only loss to St. Johns in a 1-0 contest against Silverstein, however, the two would face again in the WCAC Conference Championship Game and Mitchell would have his revenge, beating St. Johns 5-0 in the Championship. There were other highlighted pitching performances by Drew Shaw (LHP/1B - Undecided), Greg Weigand (RHP/DH - Undecided), Tyler Costello (RHP - Sophomore) among others.
This season the bar has been set high and expectations are on par for Paul VI. They return 7 of their 9 starting position players and return every starting pitcher from last year. Paul VI returns veteran leadership, experience and depth in every position. Paul VI returns in '08 w/ 13 pitchers on the roster w/ 10 of them at or around 85mph w/ another 3 at or around 90+mph. Paul VI returns 8 of their top 10 hitters, 24 of their 33 home runs, 33 of their 56 stolen bases, 74% of their RBI's from last year along w/ 4 of 5 of their starting infielders that turned 30+ double plays. In 2008 w/ such high expectations, Paul VI will be expecting big performances from 1 thru 9 in the line up. In addition to those already mentioned, other players that stand out to have a big season this year are Mike McMenamin(C/1B - Undecided), Tim McCormick(OF - Undecided), Chad Morgan(C/OF/RHP - Undecided), Pat McDonald (RHP/OF - Undecided) among others. Paul VI will clearly be one of those top 3 teams in the WCAC this year. The real question for me regarding Paul VI is how do they handle the expectations in front of them. Pressure is an interesting thing and will make some shine while others crumble. It also remains to be seen whether Mitchell was a one year wonder or a dominate pitcher to be reckoned with. If Paul VI's pitching lives up to the hype, there is no doubt in their offensive capabilities. The usual faces will lead the offense this year for Paul VI. Washington Post ALL-MET and BCA ALL-AMERICAN Peter Verdin will be the catalyst followed closely by big years from Brett Bowers, Reed Bromley, Mike Mitchell, Mike Murakami, Chad Morgan, Tim McCormick and Greg Weigand.
I look for more information coming out over the next couple weeks once rosters are set and roles are established but never over look the Panthers. There will be additional rankings coming out soon and expect to see Paul VI's name appear a few of these lists. Paul VI will also come close to the record St.John's set in our area when they announced the signings of 10 players who'll go on to play baseball at the next level. Paul VI has signed 3 during the early signing period and when the spring is finished expects to have all six of their remaining seniors signed to play baseball at the next level bringing Paul VI's total to 9 players advancing on to the next level. I've posted below the 3 early signees along with a listing of the other six and the current schools in the mix for them this spring. Visit www.pvibaseball.com for all the latest information regarding Paul VI baseball, including schedules and a whole lot more.
Brett Bowers - East Carolina University
Matt Murakami - University of Maryland EARLY SIGNEES
Peter Verdin - University of Georgia
Reed Bromley - (Patrick Henry CC, Shenandoah, Pitt CC, Highpoint)
Tim McCormick - (Marshall, Hampden Sydney, SJU, Delaware, High Point)
Mike Mitchell - (Radford, Maryland, Mt. St. Mary’s, Boston College, Coastal Carolina, Salisbury University)
Greg Wiegand - (Limestone College, Dayton, St. Mary’s College, Lafayette)
Drew Shaw - (Maryland, WVU, Liberty, Longwood, UNC-Charlotte, Salisbury University)
Mike McMenamin - (Catholic U of A, McDaniel College, VMI, Shenandoah University)
This season St. John's has already been marked as the team to beat having received early recognition by Collegiate Baseball as the Nation's #2 high school team. There are a couple players who've also received some early ALL-AMERICAN nods in LJ Hoes and Scott Silverstein. In addition to Hoes and Silverstein, Hugh Adams(RHP - Florida Atlantic) will be epected to pick up where Connor Hoehn left off and St. Johns will be expecting big years from Matt Mack and Cory Beahm. St. Johns will clearly be one of those teams in the top 3 in the WCAC (Washington Catholic Athletic Conference) this year. The real question for me is how will the new players they add to their starting line up help and contribute to re-establishing them at the top where they're accustom to always being. They struggled at times offensively last year but they made up for that lack of offense at times with their depth in the pitching department. This year they have one standout on the mound in Silverstein who will be the top pitcher in the WCAC, after that they'll need some outstanding performances from both Adams and Nick Routt(LHP-Mississippi State). Offensively, Hoes will lead the pack for them and I'd expect improvements from both Mack and Beahm while Silverstein will also contribute with the stick.
I look for more information coming out over the next couple weeks once rosters are set and roles are established but never over look the cadets. There will be additional rankings coming out soon and expect to see St. John's name appear a few more times on these lists. St. John's set another record in our area when they announced the early signings of 9 players who'll go on to play baseball at the next level. St. Johns has since added one to that list which I've posted below along with a link to their 2008 schedule:
Hugh Adams - Florida Atlantic University
Cory Beahm - University of Hartford
Jeff Flax - LaSalle University
LJ Hoes - University of North Carolina
Michael Loeb - Davidson College
Matt Mack - Radford University
Craig Miller - LaSalle University
Iggy Rodriguez - Swarthmore College
Nick Routt - Mississippi State University
Scott Silverstein - University of Virginia
St. Johns 2008 Schedule
Paul VI HS in Fairfax VA is lead by Coach Billy Emerson now in his sixth year as head coach. Paul VI during Coach Emerson's tenure has been impressive, compiling an over all win/loss record of 111-41 over the past five years. Paul VI has set the bench mark over the last 3 years having gone back to back to back 23+ game winning seasons while compiling a record of 77-17, the most wins of any program over that stretch than any other school in the Washington DC area. Paul VI finished last year by setting their school record for most wins in a season by going 27-4 and won the WCAC Division and Conference Championships. Paul VI last year was lead by several outstanding performances highlighted by an amazing junior class. Peter Verdin(OF/RHP - Georgia) had another banner year leading the panthers offensively. In Peter's two years at Paul VI he has set several single season records which include, hits, doubles, stolen bases and runs scored. Peter has already set the career record for stolen bases at Paul VI and looks to break several others in 2008. Zach Costello(OF - Delaware) had an oustanding senior year for Paul VI and finished an amazing career at Paul VI. There were other highlighted performances by Brett Bowers(3B/MIF - East Carolina), Matt Murakami(MIF - Maryland), Reed Bromley(1B/DH - Undecided) among others. In 2007 Mike Mitchell (RHP/C/1B - undecided) had a break out year and simply dominated conference and out of conference foes alike. Mitchell finished the year 8-1 suffering his only loss to St. Johns in a 1-0 contest against Silverstein, however, the two would face again in the WCAC Conference Championship Game and Mitchell would have his revenge, beating St. Johns 5-0 in the Championship. There were other highlighted pitching performances by Drew Shaw (LHP/1B - Undecided), Greg Weigand (RHP/DH - Undecided), Tyler Costello (RHP - Sophomore) among others.
This season the bar has been set high and expectations are on par for Paul VI. They return 7 of their 9 starting position players and return every starting pitcher from last year. Paul VI returns veteran leadership, experience and depth in every position. Paul VI returns in '08 w/ 13 pitchers on the roster w/ 10 of them at or around 85mph w/ another 3 at or around 90+mph. Paul VI returns 8 of their top 10 hitters, 24 of their 33 home runs, 33 of their 56 stolen bases, 74% of their RBI's from last year along w/ 4 of 5 of their starting infielders that turned 30+ double plays. In 2008 w/ such high expectations, Paul VI will be expecting big performances from 1 thru 9 in the line up. In addition to those already mentioned, other players that stand out to have a big season this year are Mike McMenamin(C/1B - Undecided), Tim McCormick(OF - Undecided), Chad Morgan(C/OF/RHP - Undecided), Pat McDonald (RHP/OF - Undecided) among others. Paul VI will clearly be one of those top 3 teams in the WCAC this year. The real question for me regarding Paul VI is how do they handle the expectations in front of them. Pressure is an interesting thing and will make some shine while others crumble. It also remains to be seen whether Mitchell was a one year wonder or a dominate pitcher to be reckoned with. If Paul VI's pitching lives up to the hype, there is no doubt in their offensive capabilities. The usual faces will lead the offense this year for Paul VI. Washington Post ALL-MET and BCA ALL-AMERICAN Peter Verdin will be the catalyst followed closely by big years from Brett Bowers, Reed Bromley, Mike Mitchell, Mike Murakami, Chad Morgan, Tim McCormick and Greg Weigand.
I look for more information coming out over the next couple weeks once rosters are set and roles are established but never over look the Panthers. There will be additional rankings coming out soon and expect to see Paul VI's name appear a few of these lists. Paul VI will also come close to the record St.John's set in our area when they announced the signings of 10 players who'll go on to play baseball at the next level. Paul VI has signed 3 during the early signing period and when the spring is finished expects to have all six of their remaining seniors signed to play baseball at the next level bringing Paul VI's total to 9 players advancing on to the next level. I've posted below the 3 early signees along with a listing of the other six and the current schools in the mix for them this spring. Visit www.pvibaseball.com for all the latest information regarding Paul VI baseball, including schedules and a whole lot more.
Brett Bowers - East Carolina University
Matt Murakami - University of Maryland EARLY SIGNEES
Peter Verdin - University of Georgia
Reed Bromley - (Patrick Henry CC, Shenandoah, Pitt CC, Highpoint)
Tim McCormick - (Marshall, Hampden Sydney, SJU, Delaware, High Point)
Mike Mitchell - (Radford, Maryland, Mt. St. Mary’s, Boston College, Coastal Carolina, Salisbury University)
Greg Wiegand - (Limestone College, Dayton, St. Mary’s College, Lafayette)
Drew Shaw - (Maryland, WVU, Liberty, Longwood, UNC-Charlotte, Salisbury University)
Mike McMenamin - (Catholic U of A, McDaniel College, VMI, Shenandoah University)
quote:Should be a couple of great games when they match up with PVI. Thoughts?
Wagoneer,
Last year Paul VI took 2 of 3 from St. Johns including the Championship. I'll be honest I fully expect almost a circus like atmoshphere. I believe the stands will be standing room only, there will be scouts everywhere from both college and the professional ranks. In my mind St. Johns and Paul VI are the two best teams in the WCAC and there will be so much talent on the field when both of these teams play each other I'm already getting goose bumps thinking about it. There will be additional tough competition for St. Johns when they go out to California for spring break as there will be for Paul VI when they go to Florida and South Carolina for spring break but clearly here back at home, mark your calendars for these two games and if you can make it, get there early...it should be a great night of baseball.
Hey Bear,
Was your porrige too HOT or too COLD. Jeez, what a grump. Of your 800+ posts on here, I've personally only found a few to be interesting. But keep on writing them, and I'll defend your right to do so. Otherwise, shut up and go back to sleep. It's only February and you're suppose to still be hibernating.
Was your porrige too HOT or too COLD. Jeez, what a grump. Of your 800+ posts on here, I've personally only found a few to be interesting. But keep on writing them, and I'll defend your right to do so. Otherwise, shut up and go back to sleep. It's only February and you're suppose to still be hibernating.
It's Feb. Yogi is up early from a long winter and Jellystone Park hasn't opened. No picnic baskets yet!
J2h6 you have got to take a major chill pill on PVI. I know your a big supporter but face the facts last year PVI got crushed (and I am talking crushed) by NDA in Hartsville. Then they failed to even make it into the championship game at states. What does that say about the true strength of PVI and for that matter St. Johns if PVI beat them 2 out of 3 last year? You also wrote an incorrect statement, "Paul VI has set the bench mark over the last 3 years having gone back to back to back 23+ game winning seasons while compiling a record of 77-17, the most wins of any program over that stretch than any other school in the Washington DC area". You better check NDA's record over the last three years (and four state championships in a row). Warm up your fingers because your going to have to revise that statement.
coolbreeze,
I appreciate your input and welcome you contributing to this thread. I feel special that you've especially gone out of your way in your first two posts on this great site to try and bad mouth one of the better programs in our area.
I'm not sure whether you feel you have something to prove or what? I would think that any player or parent from a class program like the Notre Dame Academy would know how to handle themselves a little better. Notre Dame Academy has been nothing less than impressive over the last several years. They have every right to boast about their program as there are not many out there that can state they've won 4 state Championships (3 in division 2 and 1 in division 1, top division) in a row. I am absolutely a fan of your baseball program and wish you guys all the best this year.
I'll get back with you regarding Notre Dame's record over the last 3 years after I speak with Coach Lockhart this week. I'm sure that will clear up any confusion. Until then I stand by my statement w/ one correction, Paul VI has set the bench mark over the last 3 years having gone back to back to back 23+ game winning seasons while compiling a record of 77-17, the most wins of any four year HS program over that stretch than any other school in the Washington DC area, now that's a fact !
I appreciate your input and welcome you contributing to this thread. I feel special that you've especially gone out of your way in your first two posts on this great site to try and bad mouth one of the better programs in our area.
I'm not sure whether you feel you have something to prove or what? I would think that any player or parent from a class program like the Notre Dame Academy would know how to handle themselves a little better. Notre Dame Academy has been nothing less than impressive over the last several years. They have every right to boast about their program as there are not many out there that can state they've won 4 state Championships (3 in division 2 and 1 in division 1, top division) in a row. I am absolutely a fan of your baseball program and wish you guys all the best this year.
I'll get back with you regarding Notre Dame's record over the last 3 years after I speak with Coach Lockhart this week. I'm sure that will clear up any confusion. Until then I stand by my statement w/ one correction, Paul VI has set the bench mark over the last 3 years having gone back to back to back 23+ game winning seasons while compiling a record of 77-17, the most wins of any four year HS program over that stretch than any other school in the Washington DC area, now that's a fact !
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I have not gone out of my way to " bad mouth" a program (PVI's or anyone else for that matter). What I said was for you to take a chill pill and get a grip on reality. PVI, StJohn's, NDA and for that matter a number of public schools have good programs. You happen to be just a little to wrapped up in one. As for the number of wins the past three years, NDA has more than 90 (and after I check with Lockhart tomorrow to get the actual number don't be surprised if it is actual total is greater than 100). Like I said get your fingers warmed up.
I have not gone out of my way to " bad mouth" a program (PVI's or anyone else for that matter). What I said was for you to take a chill pill and get a grip on reality. PVI, StJohn's, NDA and for that matter a number of public schools have good programs. You happen to be just a little to wrapped up in one. As for the number of wins the past three years, NDA has more than 90 (and after I check with Lockhart tomorrow to get the actual number don't be surprised if it is actual total is greater than 100). Like I said get your fingers warmed up.
BEAR,
My point was for accurate and positive posts/reports about the district or league games that you follow.
Whats your point? If its to show how much you don't know about Virginia baseball then you did well.
For example; the Delaney lost four of those teams 2 years ago. They started thier own conferance,the CAC. Two more this year.The Battlefield is not even close! Neither is the Commonwealth! ARE YOU SERIOUSLY TRYING TO NAME THE TEAMS IN VA.? lol Good joke Bear.3up
My point was for accurate and positive posts/reports about the district or league games that you follow.
Whats your point? If its to show how much you don't know about Virginia baseball then you did well.
For example; the Delaney lost four of those teams 2 years ago. They started thier own conferance,the CAC. Two more this year.The Battlefield is not even close! Neither is the Commonwealth! ARE YOU SERIOUSLY TRYING TO NAME THE TEAMS IN VA.? lol Good joke Bear.3up
coolbreeze,
j2h6's kid go's to PVI, so don't you think he would have a preference?
j2h6's kid go's to PVI, so don't you think he would have a preference?
Notre Dame Academy
2004 - 36-8
2005 - 28-5
2006 - 30-12
2007 - 32-4
2004 - 36-8
2005 - 28-5
2006 - 30-12
2007 - 32-4
Coolbreeze, et all
I was asked a question by Wagoneer and responded to that question. I am a huge baseball fan in general and yes do carry a bias for Pvi and that'll never change. However, I also feel it's important to share information and thought that I complimented the St. John's team rather well, considering they're our rival. IMO this is what it's all about, promoting these young athletes and let the chips fall where they will. In the end I can talk til I'm blue in the face but If the players don't back it up on the field it really doesn't matter what's stated hear now does it?
Now, if this were not a thread about the Washington Catholic Athletic Conference and the upcoming 2008 season, I would absolutely mention other great teams in our area like Madison, Oakton, James River and Notre Dame Academy. However, this is a thread about the WCAC and thus these are the teams I'm focusing on. There are others that will focus on other districts and that will also be the only teams they'll discuss. If you have any difficulty with understanding this concept cool breeze I've gone ahead and started another thread for you titled, NDA - 4 time state Champions !
In the meantime welcome to the HSBBW and I hope you become a positive contributor to this site and you learn a great deal from it. Unfortunately, We don't include prep schools in our statement that allow 5th year HS student athletes. Paul VI has set the bench mark over the last 3 years having gone back to back to back 23+ game winning seasons while compiling a record of 77-17, the most wins of any four year HS program over that stretch than any other school in the Washington DC area.
I was asked a question by Wagoneer and responded to that question. I am a huge baseball fan in general and yes do carry a bias for Pvi and that'll never change. However, I also feel it's important to share information and thought that I complimented the St. John's team rather well, considering they're our rival. IMO this is what it's all about, promoting these young athletes and let the chips fall where they will. In the end I can talk til I'm blue in the face but If the players don't back it up on the field it really doesn't matter what's stated hear now does it?
Now, if this were not a thread about the Washington Catholic Athletic Conference and the upcoming 2008 season, I would absolutely mention other great teams in our area like Madison, Oakton, James River and Notre Dame Academy. However, this is a thread about the WCAC and thus these are the teams I'm focusing on. There are others that will focus on other districts and that will also be the only teams they'll discuss. If you have any difficulty with understanding this concept cool breeze I've gone ahead and started another thread for you titled, NDA - 4 time state Champions !
In the meantime welcome to the HSBBW and I hope you become a positive contributor to this site and you learn a great deal from it. Unfortunately, We don't include prep schools in our statement that allow 5th year HS student athletes. Paul VI has set the bench mark over the last 3 years having gone back to back to back 23+ game winning seasons while compiling a record of 77-17, the most wins of any four year HS program over that stretch than any other school in the Washington DC area.
quote:Originally posted by Armor:
It's Feb. Yogi is up early from a long winter and Jellystone Park hasn't opened. No picnic baskets yet!
Correction, Armor. That's Pic-a-nic baskets.
Excellent reporting j2h6. I'll be reading this thread often, even if I don't have any other interests than being an Ireton alumnus who didn't play baseball by the time I was in HS.
Shoeless Joe...
Now there you go again... bringing up "facts"!
Now there you go again... bringing up "facts"!
I know, I know. I couldn't help myself.
An opinion from another relatively knowledgeable high school baseball fan, and one that is unbiased as far as the WCAC is concerned (with the exception of my opinion that WCAC member schools routinely think they are much better than they really are): Both PVI and SJC are, top to bottom, the most talent laden baseball teams the DC area has seen in decades. If they play up to their respective pedigrees, the head-to-head matchups on 4/12, 4/30, and in all likelyhood, the 5/8 WCAC championship will be spectacular. The outcome of these games will depend heavily on whether Silverstein is "on" or not. The AD's of these schools should explore moving the regular season games to Povich (SJC) and GMU (PVI) as their home fields are hardly "fan friendly".
And to j2h6 regarding NDA's 5th year players: This is a topic we have discussed several times and one in which I had thought we were at least on the same page. But just as a reminder: The total number of 5th year NDA baseball players in 2007---1 (one, and not even a full-time starter...but graduated after that 5th year at age 18. The total number of 5th year players in 2006---0 (zero, ziltch, nada). NDA's success the last two years had nothing to do with 5th year 19 and 20 year old men playing poor little 16 and 17 year old pimply faced boys. They did it by assembling talent, all of which was/is local with the exception of 2 players from Panama, and playing anybody, anywhere. None of these facts takes away from PVI that has had almost the same level of success operating under much stricter rules. Last year in February I stated that I thought that James River had the best baseball team, public or private, in the state of Virginia. This year I think it's PVI, and if you can get by Silverstein, you get by SJC. If you get by SJC, you'd be the best in the region, because PVI, SJC, and JR are better than Calvert Hall in my opinion.
And to j2h6 regarding NDA's 5th year players: This is a topic we have discussed several times and one in which I had thought we were at least on the same page. But just as a reminder: The total number of 5th year NDA baseball players in 2007---1 (one, and not even a full-time starter...but graduated after that 5th year at age 18. The total number of 5th year players in 2006---0 (zero, ziltch, nada). NDA's success the last two years had nothing to do with 5th year 19 and 20 year old men playing poor little 16 and 17 year old pimply faced boys. They did it by assembling talent, all of which was/is local with the exception of 2 players from Panama, and playing anybody, anywhere. None of these facts takes away from PVI that has had almost the same level of success operating under much stricter rules. Last year in February I stated that I thought that James River had the best baseball team, public or private, in the state of Virginia. This year I think it's PVI, and if you can get by Silverstein, you get by SJC. If you get by SJC, you'd be the best in the region, because PVI, SJC, and JR are better than Calvert Hall in my opinion.
44 let's get our info correct. The way I heard it from a friend in Va that one of your players from panama was a 5th yr player. NDA didn't accept all of his credits and that is why he was listed as he was but in fact he did play hs ball 5 years. This year you have two 5th year players.
Unbelievable, you say you are going to confirm with Coach Lockhart that NDA went 90 - 21 over the last three season (126 - 29 over the last four years), that they in fact had back to back to back to back (that's four in case you can't count that high) 28+ win seasons, you get confirmation and instead of revising your thread you jump on the fifth year band wagon. Last I checked there are nine guys on the field. Last year NDA had 1 part time player who was in his fifth year and the year before that there were no 5th year players. Let me ask you was it one part time kid that did all the damage last year in Hartville when you got crushed by NDA???? You have got to be kidding using this lame reasoning. Be a man and revise the thread.
cool, like I said you had 2 players last year and if you are new to NDA I would thinkyou better check into school history before you open a can of worms you cant get the lid back on
cool were you at that game last year?
cool, your facts are wrong and were you at the game in hartsville last year Be a man and admit you dont know as much as you think you do
cool I just got off the phone with a NDA player who said NDA got spanked in Louisiana last year, dropped several games in a row that aren't included in that record. Seems you claim they were "preseason?", come on!
Armor, here is some correct info for you. The young man to which you refer played at NDA for 2 years. He is a very intelligent young man that attended the American School in Panama City prior to enrolling in Notre Dame. He may very well have advanced quickly enough academically at that very demanding school to be considered a senior his 1st year in the US even though English is his 2nd language. What I don't know, and neither do you, is whether he had ATTENDED 3 years of high school in Panama prior to enrolling at NDA. Or did he complete 3 years of high school credits in 2 years? If that is the case, is he a 5th year player? Even in South Carolina you can figure that one out on one hand. I do know he was 18 years old when he graduated from Notre Dame Academy and he was 18 years old when he attended his 1st class at Vanderbilt University. So, assuming you and/or your "friend in VA" have inside information from NDA's guidance office, I'll take you at your word and concede that academically the student in question MAY HAVE BEEN a 5th year player. However, chronologically, he was not. So, for your piece of mind, please add a "Barry Bonds" asterisk to my last post and insert your own well informed footnote.
Armor, we certainly can tell by your posts when it's after 5 o'clock and you've popped the top on a few. Some things never change. Oh, I forgot, you're retired now. IT'S 5 O'CLOCK ALL THE TIME.
Allow me to clear something up so we can move on and get back on to topic 
....Notre Dame played Paul VI in Hartsville SC last year in the Southeastern Baseball Classic. It was a great event, in fact, both teams will be returning to that same event this year and will face each other again on March 28th at 11am. In last year's SBC tourney we won every game over some nationally ranked opponents but one. NDA w/ Ryan Crosby on the mound was sensational, they played great w/ their #1 on the bump and simply were the better team by far that day spanking Pvi 13-0! As we've all read and heard numerous times, on any given day anything can happen and did. This is not to demean or belittle or take anything away from NDA, who eventually won the entire event going undefeated. 
There was a ton of hype leading up to the NDA / Pvi rematch in the state Championship game but someone forgot to tell St. Christopher's that.
St. Christopher's ended up pitching a crafty lefty who's now up at Boston College and they completely shut down Pvi's offense. Once again, on any given day anything can happen. St. Christopher's was the better team that day ! I believe if you take all the top teams from anywhere and you were to play a best of series, then and only then would you be able to tell, truly, who's the best. Thus, every team plays the same game and you have to show up every time and Pvi failed to do that not just with NDA but with 3 other teams as well. Baseball is a marathon not a sprint, every team can go through slumps and they can go through highs, I mean NDA started out the year 1-3 down in Louisiana (not included in season standings), it happens to everyone, it's baseball.
NDA has bragging rights til someone knocks them off as I stated in another thread. I've also said that Notre Dame is the best team in Virginia on two different threads but since this is a WCAC thread I think it's time to get back to why this thread was originally started, to discuss the upcoming season regarding the WCAC teams! As always coolbreeze I welcome your contributions, we'll just have to agree to disagree based on my correction that's already been made. Best of luck to you guys this year !
There was a ton of hype leading up to the NDA / Pvi rematch in the state Championship game but someone forgot to tell St. Christopher's that.
NDA has bragging rights til someone knocks them off as I stated in another thread. I've also said that Notre Dame is the best team in Virginia on two different threads but since this is a WCAC thread I think it's time to get back to why this thread was originally started, to discuss the upcoming season regarding the WCAC teams! As always coolbreeze I welcome your contributions, we'll just have to agree to disagree based on my correction that's already been made. Best of luck to you guys this year !
So what is this thread about anyway?
Armor,
I was at the game last year and as J2h6 stated in his last post NDA did win big over PVI in Hartsville so Coolbreeze was correct. In regards to there being two 5th year seniors last year well that one I am not so sure about. The young man from Panama did have additional academic courses he needed to complete (some credits did not transfer) so additional time was needed to get this accomplished. As for the Baton Rouge tournament the plain and simple facts are NDA was not prepared for what they signed up for. The team went down there with little to no field time (due to a harsh winter / ice), walked onto the field in the middle of February playing very good teams that had been practicing for 45 days. The result was one win and three losses (one of which was bad).
J2h6,
If I may it did not sound like Coolbreeze was looking for you to proclaim NDA "the team". Please don't take this wrong, but you did say PVI "set the bench mark" for all of the teams in the DC area. I think we would all agree NDA is in the DC area. So what I got out of the thread is that Coolbreeze took offense to your crowning of PVI because clearly NDA has had a better record and a higher number of wins each year for the past four years. That said from what I have heard it sounds like this just might be PVI's year, see you in Hartsville.
I was at the game last year and as J2h6 stated in his last post NDA did win big over PVI in Hartsville so Coolbreeze was correct. In regards to there being two 5th year seniors last year well that one I am not so sure about. The young man from Panama did have additional academic courses he needed to complete (some credits did not transfer) so additional time was needed to get this accomplished. As for the Baton Rouge tournament the plain and simple facts are NDA was not prepared for what they signed up for. The team went down there with little to no field time (due to a harsh winter / ice), walked onto the field in the middle of February playing very good teams that had been practicing for 45 days. The result was one win and three losses (one of which was bad).
J2h6,
If I may it did not sound like Coolbreeze was looking for you to proclaim NDA "the team". Please don't take this wrong, but you did say PVI "set the bench mark" for all of the teams in the DC area. I think we would all agree NDA is in the DC area. So what I got out of the thread is that Coolbreeze took offense to your crowning of PVI because clearly NDA has had a better record and a higher number of wins each year for the past four years. That said from what I have heard it sounds like this just might be PVI's year, see you in Hartsville.
44, from the horses mouth, he attended 3.
OK, Armor. You have his cell number on your speed dial. Now go back to the fridge, grab yourself another cold one, and while you're in there, look around for your POINT.
All:
I have to admit that this is a very entertaining string! From a totally non-partisan point of view, all of these teams are very good. Let it be said that each has the ability to recruit and therefore has a huge advantage over the non-recruiting public schools. If I'm not mistaken, Bowers would go to Fairfax, Murikami to Herndon, Verdin to Potomac and Hoes to some school in eastern Maryland if they attended their respective public school. Heck, Mitchell would be at ANNANDALE and a couple of NDA guys would be in PR!!! So, top to bottom, they ought to be better.
Good pitching usually shuts down good hitting so if Silverstein, Mitchell or Crosby is on, I'd bet that's your winner. I guess the exception is 1-0 Mitchell over Silverstein, huh?
Good luck to all. Put the pitch forks back up and watch 'em between the lines! Cheers.
I have to admit that this is a very entertaining string! From a totally non-partisan point of view, all of these teams are very good. Let it be said that each has the ability to recruit and therefore has a huge advantage over the non-recruiting public schools. If I'm not mistaken, Bowers would go to Fairfax, Murikami to Herndon, Verdin to Potomac and Hoes to some school in eastern Maryland if they attended their respective public school. Heck, Mitchell would be at ANNANDALE and a couple of NDA guys would be in PR!!! So, top to bottom, they ought to be better.
Good pitching usually shuts down good hitting so if Silverstein, Mitchell or Crosby is on, I'd bet that's your winner. I guess the exception is 1-0 Mitchell over Silverstein, huh?
Good luck to all. Put the pitch forks back up and watch 'em between the lines! Cheers.
It is entertaining as well as informative isn't it. 
Tell me, is NDA's not including these pre-season games in their record somewhat equivalent to PVI's Emerson's claims of being a 5-time coach of the year, when in fact, he was recognized by multiple news organization with coach of the year honors for 2 different seasons?
Both Lockhart and Emerson are awesome coaches and have great programs, but is the continued over the top hype and self promotion really that necessary? Does it make parents feel they are getting their money's worth? Does it make players work harder in the offseason and play better when the games are on the line?
I guess it helps with recruiting but this is one reason why many public school programs could care less about playing a PVI and NDA.
Both Lockhart and Emerson are awesome coaches and have great programs, but is the continued over the top hype and self promotion really that necessary? Does it make parents feel they are getting their money's worth? Does it make players work harder in the offseason and play better when the games are on the line?
I guess it helps with recruiting but this is one reason why many public school programs could care less about playing a PVI and NDA.
Superball,
What program does include pre-season or scrimages in with their regular season record? As for the self promote comment have you not read all the other threads. What public or private school is not mentioned and hyped on here? Lastly do you really think one of the reasons why public schools won't play private schools is because the hype on these boards? How about more practical reasons like VHSL rules that limit the number of games they can play. How about the public school has nothing to gain from playing these schools (other than good game). How about if they play and get beat and parents like what they see how about the possibility of players leaving to play for the private school?
What program does include pre-season or scrimages in with their regular season record? As for the self promote comment have you not read all the other threads. What public or private school is not mentioned and hyped on here? Lastly do you really think one of the reasons why public schools won't play private schools is because the hype on these boards? How about more practical reasons like VHSL rules that limit the number of games they can play. How about the public school has nothing to gain from playing these schools (other than good game). How about if they play and get beat and parents like what they see how about the possibility of players leaving to play for the private school?
Some public school coaches don't want to play private schools as discussed above and for "fear" of losing some of their talented players to the private schools. It happens and will continue to happen as student athletes and their families learn more about private schools and what may be in their best interest to transfer schools.
Many better opportunities "are out there" but one must research and carefully choose the options to see if "change" is more beneficial to the student athlete.
Bottom line, everyone wants the best for their children and if it fits in your plan and dreams, make it happen and don't look back.
Many better opportunities "are out there" but one must research and carefully choose the options to see if "change" is more beneficial to the student athlete.
Bottom line, everyone wants the best for their children and if it fits in your plan and dreams, make it happen and don't look back.
I wasn't talking about self promotion just on these boards. If you want it, go for it. I was talking about the school websites and other school publications, discussions I've had over the years with many parents of private and public athletes, stories written and submitted to local papers, AND these boards.
You have the primary reasons correct as to why the public schools don't want to play these privates. It is not a level playing field so why bother and risk losing some of your better players to these other programs. Playing more games, practicing year round, higher paid coaches, good facilities, like minded teammates, and more are all part of the reason that parents choose an NDA or PVI over their local public school. Add in the education, and if you can afford it, then go for it. If you want to reclassify your kid in the process, because he has a late birthday or you think he will benefit from the extra academics, go for that too.
As an aside, I agree that this fifth year thing is mostly hogwash. We're not talking about teams of older players, like at a Fork Union or a Hargrave football or basketball, where they have a whole team of PGs. There are plenty of kids in public schools who get plenty of pubs for their sports accomplishments who have been held back in either elementary or middle school, that are playing highly visible roles in local public schools. Nobody really talks about them that much, and when they do, it's mostly in a critical light.
I was looking for a discussion of the WCAC, and other than SJ and PVI, both of whom have very good squads, is anyone else very competitive? DeMatha, Gonzaga -- maybe, Oconnell -- only against the bottom half, Ireton, Ryken, -- probably not.
You have the primary reasons correct as to why the public schools don't want to play these privates. It is not a level playing field so why bother and risk losing some of your better players to these other programs. Playing more games, practicing year round, higher paid coaches, good facilities, like minded teammates, and more are all part of the reason that parents choose an NDA or PVI over their local public school. Add in the education, and if you can afford it, then go for it. If you want to reclassify your kid in the process, because he has a late birthday or you think he will benefit from the extra academics, go for that too.
As an aside, I agree that this fifth year thing is mostly hogwash. We're not talking about teams of older players, like at a Fork Union or a Hargrave football or basketball, where they have a whole team of PGs. There are plenty of kids in public schools who get plenty of pubs for their sports accomplishments who have been held back in either elementary or middle school, that are playing highly visible roles in local public schools. Nobody really talks about them that much, and when they do, it's mostly in a critical light.
I was looking for a discussion of the WCAC, and other than SJ and PVI, both of whom have very good squads, is anyone else very competitive? DeMatha, Gonzaga -- maybe, Oconnell -- only against the bottom half, Ireton, Ryken, -- probably not.