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Originally posted by RJM:
I'm guesing a threesome to fivesome is not her first time.

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Originally posted by RJM:
In legal situations all the IF's are looked at. I mentioned the one I believe may be the most likely. Having an opinion is not inappropropriate.


I am not a lawyer but I doubt your quote above would be allowed in a court of law. I still think that sentence was inappropriate for this forum. Like I said, maybe I am old fashion but that struck me as particularly insensitive.
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55MOM-I felt the same as yourself, but need to tell a experience my son had in junior high. He was being a slapd**k with 2 girls during lunch period. The dean came around the corner and caught them being idiots. So the dean hauled the 3 of them into the office for punishment. One of the girls told the dean that my son was trying to grab her in an inappropriate way. The school police and myself were called to come to school. Before I could get to school from work the police did interviews with the kids(which I was unhappy with also). During the interviews, the other girl came clean and said my son was doing nothing wrong. That all the parties were just messing around willingly( in a non-sexual manor), and that my son didn't deserve to be punished. He got lucky that one of the girls wasn't willing to sell my son down the river.
That being said, I'm not going to judge this situation till more facts are aired out in court(if it comes to that). I hear that one of the girls is not saying that she was raped, erie similarity.
My son learned a valuable lesson, and went to a all boy catholic high school. Which gave him time the get some maturity for grown up situations. What Wittels and my son were both guilty of is putting them self in a situation that could go sideways and did. Hopefully this will not be bad as it appears and that it could wind up being.
CPLZ- If you go to Army games, watch for the freshman Peterson. He is great kid and my sons friend, and I also enjoy his families company.
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Originally posted by TPM:

No one has been found guilty as yet,


Apparently, this means very little to some.


Why don't you go back through the thread and point out where people have convicted either the males or the females of any crimes? The only comments were about some bad judgment...and we can all point to plenty of examples of bad judgment that didn't involve crimes.

Now this is convicting someone before being found guilty.

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Celtdad - I should have been more specific - I was referring to the second post in the thread. Thank you for sharing your son's experience. It's amazing that people do not take responsibility for their actions.

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We'll have to see how it unravels.



(I also believe he is on the right track in a few others as well, but that is for another discussion) Smile
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Seems like someone was once quoted as saying "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"...


May we put Jesus' quote in context?

Jesus did not argue that this lady should not be judged for her sin....He was saying that none of these men had the right to kill her for her sin....

The Bible is quite clear that, as believers, we should judge the acts, or behavior, of others as well we should judge our own behavior, but, be fair in our judgement and judge by the Truth of the Bible..........Jesus forgave her sin, which only He can do....He did not excuse it, since there is no excuse for disobeying God........

His words were, "go and sin no more.".....The lesson is, forgiveness requires repentence....
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Bluedog, can you please tell me for what purpose the Bible indicates believers should judge the acts of others?

Matthew 7
1“Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2“For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you. 3“Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4“Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? 5“You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.
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Kokomojo, yes I will tell you what God says...We are not to judge the salvation of others....Only Jesus can do that since only He can give salvation........We do have the authority and the duty, given to us by God, to judge actions and behavior of others, though....However, we must obey God as to how we judge....We are to judge the behavior, not the person....We must judge to know good from bad...

In the examples of Scripture you quoted, God is talking of hypocritical judgement....That we are not to do....The context of Scripture is very important...We must judge our own acts and be repentent at all times before we judge the acts of others...We must never think of ourselves as better than anyone else when we judge...In your examples, God is not telling us not to judge....He is saying to judge by the Truth of His Word, by His rules...

The rest of the Matthew Scripture you started....

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Matt 7:1-6
7:1 "Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. 3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother's eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye'; and look, a plank is in your own eye? 5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye. 6 Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
NKJV.....

"How are we going to know as undesirable the behaviors of "dogs" and "swine" if we do not judge?



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The reason I had not commented in this thread earlier is because I have over my life at times, lusted for women, and therefore did not feel adequate in judging the actions of this young man because the Bible tells me not to look at the speck in his eye because of the log in mine.

As you say here then, Bluedog, is all I have to do is repent and ask for forgiveness then I am free to judge the situation at will? Or are you saying that I can judge the situation at any time, but only use my judgment for myself in how I conduct my actions?

Thanks for the help in understanding so I can finally shake the dust off of my feet and move on from this topic.
Nobody should do anything because I said it....I am the defining word on nothing....

The Bible tells us that ever since Adam and Eve sinned against God, we're all born into sin....Humans have no good in them....We don't naturally do good things as we are, all, sinners...We don't deserve the Grace Jesus offers us....God gave us free will to accept, or reject, that Grace...It is our choice....If we accept it, we must become Bible literate by studying what God's Laws demand from us and for us....We cannot love and serve a Master we do not know....

Every question you could ever need an answer to, is answered in God's written Word...I am a sinner and have no answers....I must add, no religion has any answers, either...Only the Bible contains the Truth from God....
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After reading the prior posts it occurred to me that the young men who find themselves in this terrible situation and the young women who have in various ways participated in or contributed to this situation have learned an expensive lesson about the seriousness of the word “rape”.

Twenty five years as a criminal investigator responsible for the investigations of felonies including homicide, burglary, robbery, aggravated assault, and RAPE among other crimes taught me that the word “rape” is thrown around rather flippantly by accusers without any understanding of what it really entails and what the possible consequences are to the accused.

Rape is “engaging in sexual intercourse by forcible compulsion or by threat of forcible compulsion that would prevent resistance by a person of reasonable resolution or with an unconscious victim or if the person administers a drug with the intent to substantially impair a person’s resistance or the victim suffers from mental disability.” (Section 3121 Title 18 - paraphrased from PA Crimes Code.)
It is a Felony of the first degree – meaning it is punishable by up to 20 years in prison and a $25,000 fine in Pennsylvania.

Rape – has nothing to do with ***. It has to do with power and violence. Sexual intercourse is just the method of delivery.

In my years of investigating these reported crimes, there have been very few “rapes”, a few more sexual assaults (a lesser charge involving mere consent) a great many misunderstandings and a surprising number of false reports.

That said, prosecutors are under tremendous pressure to proceed with charges when accusations are made because of their high profile, associated moral or ethical implications, perceived toughness on crime and even political correctness or personal emphasis on these specific crimes.

If my son or daughter were caught up in this type of situation, I would be praying that those charged with the responsibility of investigating would use proper procedure, conduct detailed recorded interviews, preserve all physical evidence possible and KEEP AN OPEN MIND WITHOUT HARBORING THEORIES before all possible facts are obtained and evaluated.

When you factor in all that is at stake………not any stone should be left unturned and everyone should be given a fair and factual hearing/trial before a jury of their peers before being deemed guilty of anything. Forget about your reputation. How much is twenty years of your life worth to you?
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Originally posted by cheapseats:
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Originally posted by RJM:
I'm guesing a threesome to fivesome is not her first time.

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Originally posted by RJM:
In legal situations all the IF's are looked at. I mentioned the one I believe may be the most likely. Having an opinion is not inappropropriate.


I am not a lawyer but I doubt your quote above would be allowed in a court of law. I still think that sentence was inappropriate for this forum. Like I said, maybe I am old fashion but that struck me as particularly insensitive.
Is hsbaseballweb a court of law? I thought it was a discussion board. I was expressing an opinion on a discussion board.
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Originally posted by BlueDog:
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Seems like someone was once quoted as saying "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone"...


May we put Jesus' quote in context?

Jesus did not argue that this lady should not be judged for her sin....He was saying that none of these men had the right to kill her for her sin....

The Bible is quite clear that, as believers, we should judge the acts, or behavior, of others as well we should judge our own behavior, but, be fair in our judgement and judge by the Truth of the Bible..........Jesus forgave her sin, which only He can do....He did not excuse it, since there is no excuse for disobeying God........

His words were, "go and sin no more.".....The lesson is, forgiveness requires repentence....
Live your life any way you want. Live your life by your bible if it's want you want. Just don't jam it down other people's throats as the truth they must accept. I respect you want to live your life by the word of the bible. I completely disrespect your desire to force others to believe it's the only way to live.
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Originally posted by CELTDAD:
CPLZ- If you go to Army games, watch for the freshman Peterson. He is great kid and my sons friend, and I also enjoy his families company.


I used to go to most, this year though, it looks like Junior is going from Ace of the staff to has been with his injury. I'll probably still go to a few. Kirk has told me that Brent is an absolute stud of a player and a really nice kid. I talked with him and his dad on their initial recruiting visit. I guess the coaches have a real problem...too many bats and not enough spots. We could see a real shakeup in the lineup...which Kirk tells me Peterson will be in, for sure.
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