quote:Originally posted by FormerObserver:
Don't step in the dog poop, cplz.
Sage advice...thx
Happy New Year everyone...
Sage advice...thx
Happy New Year everyone...
Sage advice...thx
Happy New Year everyone...
I just think we need to wait for the facts. My thoughts are to all involved because their lives have now changed forever. They will never forget their decisions that night.
I will send my son a link to this post and hope and pray he reads it, and gets the message here.
Make good choices.
One other thought, I guess the post where people just abstain would keep them out of harms way.
Thats where our society has ended up.
I will send my son a link to this post and hope and pray he reads it, and gets the message here.
Make good choices.
One other thought, I guess the post where people just abstain would keep them out of harms way.
Thats where our society has ended up.
quote:Originally posted by Swampboy:
Despite the hysteria of ...Jimmy03...
Hysteria? Really? Could you cite a specific example of my "hysteria" in this thread?
Hint: Histeria does not include disagreement.
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That's it gonyard!
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- "I will send my son a link to this post and hope and pray he reads it, and gets the message here.
Make good choices."
That's it gonyard!
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no expert on these things by any means, but i worked in the bahamas for 6 months. things like this are common in the islands. not rape but young people can drink at nearly any age, as the booze flows so do any inhibitions. there are no police, at least not as we know them.
if i ever had a daughter, she would never go on spring break...ever. i've seen way more young girls, doing some crazy things.... crazy things.
this story, is more than likely not accurate yet. it may never get there either.
but, who sends young girls away to a place like that alone?
if i ever had a daughter, she would never go on spring break...ever. i've seen way more young girls, doing some crazy things.... crazy things.
this story, is more than likely not accurate yet. it may never get there either.
but, who sends young girls away to a place like that alone?
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Aww c'mon 20dad. Whatcha' worried about?
Times, they are a changin' 20dad!
And remember...don't pack any sunblock for her. She won't need it!
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- "if i ever had a daughter, she would never go on spring break...ever."
Aww c'mon 20dad. Whatcha' worried about?
Times, they are a changin' 20dad!
And remember...don't pack any sunblock for her. She won't need it!
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"The source, who asked to remain anonymous, said surveillance cameras in public areas of the hotel captured interaction between the suspects and alleged victims.
According to the source, the videos show the girls sitting at a bar in the Atlantis Hotel and Resort, drinking, and kissing one another, before gesturing to the suspects to join them.
"They drank too much. They went to the guys' room. The girls were together. The girls are saying they can't remember anything,'' the source said.
One of the girls threw up on herself, and was given a T-shirt to wear by one of the young men, the source said.
The father of one of the girls called police after his daughter and her companion returned to their hotel room, the source said.
In the Bahamas, the age of legal consent for *** is 16. But the drinking age is 18.
According to Michael Wittels, Garrett and his friends met the girls in question at the casino, and they later followed the young men willingly to a private party.
Surveillance video exists, Michael Wittels added, showing the girls -- and not the accused -- were the aggressors, at least in public.
"The next morning, they found out who [Wittels] was, and that was the road they took,'' Michael Wittels said. "He hasn't been found guilty of anything. I hope [the media] doesn't hang him for merely an allegation. That's all this is.''
Michael Wittels was adamant that Garrett's arrest was strictly a personal matter, and not one involving Florida International University, since the arrest occurred far off campus and while Wittels was on winter break.
Still, Michael Wittels said it was too soon to know what effect the arrest might have on Wittels' eligibility for FIU's 2011 season. He is set to resume his chase of Robin Ventura's NCAA record 58-game hitting streak the weekend of Feb. 18-20, but it's not clear what steps, if any, the NCAA will take.
FIU athletic director Pete Garcia said the department has been made aware of the situation, but has no comment at this time.
"We will continue to gather any possible information as it becomes available,'' Garcia said." http://www.mcclatchydc.com/201...ll-star-wittels.html
According to the source, the videos show the girls sitting at a bar in the Atlantis Hotel and Resort, drinking, and kissing one another, before gesturing to the suspects to join them.
"They drank too much. They went to the guys' room. The girls were together. The girls are saying they can't remember anything,'' the source said.
One of the girls threw up on herself, and was given a T-shirt to wear by one of the young men, the source said.
The father of one of the girls called police after his daughter and her companion returned to their hotel room, the source said.
In the Bahamas, the age of legal consent for *** is 16. But the drinking age is 18.
According to Michael Wittels, Garrett and his friends met the girls in question at the casino, and they later followed the young men willingly to a private party.
Surveillance video exists, Michael Wittels added, showing the girls -- and not the accused -- were the aggressors, at least in public.
"The next morning, they found out who [Wittels] was, and that was the road they took,'' Michael Wittels said. "He hasn't been found guilty of anything. I hope [the media] doesn't hang him for merely an allegation. That's all this is.''
Michael Wittels was adamant that Garrett's arrest was strictly a personal matter, and not one involving Florida International University, since the arrest occurred far off campus and while Wittels was on winter break.
Still, Michael Wittels said it was too soon to know what effect the arrest might have on Wittels' eligibility for FIU's 2011 season. He is set to resume his chase of Robin Ventura's NCAA record 58-game hitting streak the weekend of Feb. 18-20, but it's not clear what steps, if any, the NCAA will take.
FIU athletic director Pete Garcia said the department has been made aware of the situation, but has no comment at this time.
"We will continue to gather any possible information as it becomes available,'' Garcia said." http://www.mcclatchydc.com/201...ll-star-wittels.html
woody.
as our friendship is cyber in nature. you can't see that i'm about 2 porkchops away from 280. 6'.i've never been accused of being handsome or even ok looking. so my hypothetical daughter, precious thing wouldn't have much of a gene pool from me.of course my wife obviously needs glasses, or she just plain lowered her standards. would carry the weight of those genes.
as our friendship is cyber in nature. you can't see that i'm about 2 porkchops away from 280. 6'.i've never been accused of being handsome or even ok looking. so my hypothetical daughter, precious thing wouldn't have much of a gene pool from me.of course my wife obviously needs glasses, or she just plain lowered her standards. would carry the weight of those genes.
quote:Originally posted by 20dad:
but, who sends young girls away to a place like that alone?
From what I have read, the girls were not alone on the trip, they were with at least one parent (not sure if both girls had a parent there but the news articles indicate at least one set of the girl's father was on the trip with them.)
I traveled to the Atlantis in the Bahamas (same property) for spring break one year with young teenagers (7th graders) and I would not do it again, it is a large spread out property and our U.S. cell phones did not have service (it is easy to get international coverage these days, but 7 years ago it wasn't so easy) so I had a difficult time keeping tabs on where the kids were. Even at 7th grade, kids don't want to be with their parents 24/7 - best I could do was set parameters of when to check-in and curfews. The pool area is also large and spread out - my kids and their friends said they were offered drinks and weed on the beach from locals - during the day! They told me immediately and we had to set some new rules for visiting the beach. It was one of the worst vacations ever because it was very difficult to keep my eyes on them every second. We haven't been back and won't be visiting the Bahamas any time soon...
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Tell you what 20dad. Sharpen up a couple of short lengths of rebar and between snow showers you and I can cook this stack over the firepit out back.
I figure after eating the chops and a mound of fire-baked potatoes our tag team should weigh in about a quarter ton. Serious contenders...for what I don't know. And we have to make darn sure our wives never compare notes!
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- "you can't see that i'm about 2 porkchops away from 280."
Tell you what 20dad. Sharpen up a couple of short lengths of rebar and between snow showers you and I can cook this stack over the firepit out back.
I figure after eating the chops and a mound of fire-baked potatoes our tag team should weigh in about a quarter ton. Serious contenders...for what I don't know. And we have to make darn sure our wives never compare notes!
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Lesson 1: If you are a public person in any sense of the word (in this case a college athlete) be very aware of your surroundings and circumstances. Take the law out of this situation. Had TMZ been there and thought Wittles to be newsworthy he would be judged in the court of public opinion which can be just as bad for a reputation as a legal court.quote:Take away the term "morals" that got everyone in a tizzy. What do we teach our kids about a situation like this so they can apply it with a better outcome if ever encountered?
Lesson 2: If you have any sense you might be in the wrong situation, get out. Chances are you are in the wrong place.
I had a conversation with my son yesterday regarding New Years. I'm not dumb enough to think a popular high school jock isn't going to have a beer (or two) on New Year's even though he normally isn't into drinking. I didn't give him permission to drink. I only told him I'm not stupid and naive. He got a little edgy during the conversation. How I netted it out is I don't want him to pay the price for his lack of experience.
Do you accept some people don't believe their free will was provided by your god?quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:quote:I don't accept the concept that someone elses morality should be put out as the only right.
I accept God's laws as the only right way......
You have free will given to you by God to believe what you want.....There are moral issues in this case.....You can ignore them all you want.....The fact is, the moral issue does matter....It's very important!
Thank you. May I have another?quote:Originally posted by Coach_May:
Those may come in handy Woody. Keep them around.
Are you passing judgement on CPLZ for not being bible literate? There are plenty of good people who won't go near a bible. Yet they display sound behavior judgement.quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:quote:Sliding scale arguments, especially those fraught with interpretive value, like the bible,......
This comment tells me you are Bible illiterate....You are trying to make valid a point you are not qualified to do......And, it can't be done, anyway...But, you don't know that...
You may not even know the Taliban aren't Bible believers....
I was thinking the same when my name was included.quote:Originally posted by Jimmy03:quote:Originally posted by Swampboy:
Despite the hysteria of ...Jimmy03...
Hysteria? Really? Could you cite a specific example of my "hysteria" in this thread?
Hint: Histeria does not include disagreement.
If I was going to jump to conclusions I would guess daddy found out what darling daughter was doing and needs scapegoats for her actions. Afterall, his daughter would never do anything like this. She must have been coerced into the event under the influence of alcohol. He probably thought his daughter was a virgin. I'm guesing a threesome to fivesome is not her first time.
By going public, regardless of the result these girls will be harmed. People in their town know who went to the Bahamas for vacation. The word will spread. The girls will be labeled. It won't be pretty.
By going public, regardless of the result these girls will be harmed. People in their town know who went to the Bahamas for vacation. The word will spread. The girls will be labeled. It won't be pretty.
quote:Originally posted by RJM:
If I was going to jump to conclusions I would guess daddy found out what darling daughter was doing and needs scapegoats for her actions. Afterall, his daughter would never do anything like this. She must have been coerced into the event under the influence of alcohol. He probably thought his daughter was a virgin. I'm guesing a threesome to fivesome is not her first time.
Let's not jump to conclusions, you have a lot of assumptions in this paragraph that are not giving the young ladies the benefit of the doubt - let's remember, the young ladies have not been charged with anything. Could they have used better judgement? Absolutely, but does that does not mean they deserve to be drug through the mud on a baseball website - if they were raped, you are adding insult to injury with this post.
Sounds like there is a LOT of demonstration of not using simple good judgement.
Like thinking this might be have fun to have *** with multiple partners. Thinking is one thing. Doing demonstrates very poor judgment.
Like thinking the boys are boorish. Condemning them before trial is poor judgment.
Like thinking about loose girls and naive daddys is one thing. Writing about it, and putting your name to your opinion is poor judgment.
It's not too hard to connect the dots on what shouldn't be done and shouldn't be said. Ever. In lots of circumstances.
Like thinking this might be have fun to have *** with multiple partners. Thinking is one thing. Doing demonstrates very poor judgment.
Like thinking the boys are boorish. Condemning them before trial is poor judgment.
Like thinking about loose girls and naive daddys is one thing. Writing about it, and putting your name to your opinion is poor judgment.
It's not too hard to connect the dots on what shouldn't be done and shouldn't be said. Ever. In lots of circumstances.
This is exactly why I started my statement with "IF." But like Coach May said, many times the real facts or all the facts are not in the newspaper. This is going to net out ugly for everyone involved regardless of the legal aspects of the situation.quote:Originally posted by cheapseats:quote:Originally posted by RJM:
If I was going to jump to conclusions I would guess daddy found out what darling daughter was doing and needs scapegoats for her actions. Afterall, his daughter would never do anything like this. She must have been coerced into the event under the influence of alcohol. He probably thought his daughter was a virgin. I'm guesing a threesome to fivesome is not her first time.
Let's not jump to conclusions, you have a lot of assumptions in this paragraph that are not giving the young ladies the benefit of the doubt - let's remember, the young ladies have not been charged with anything. Could they have used better judgement? Absolutely, but does that does not mean they deserve to be drug through the mud on a baseball website - if they were raped, you are adding insult to injury with this post.
Maybe I am crazy or old fashion but even with the word "IF" I think your post is inappropriate.
There is a lot of stuff that could have happened and we don't know the details so I am not judging anyone based on what I read in the papaer (espcially the Miami Herald).
I have a girl and I have a boy, I feel for all sides of this story. Poor judgement was used by all. I know how I have knocked things into their heads about things that might affect their lives negatively. And regardless of the outcome, when you watch that player this year, most people are going to have one thing on their minds and it's not going to be his hitting streak.
Regardless of whether there were adult chaperones on trip, don't people learn from past situations, say Natalie Hollaway? Where were they? Maybe I am being judgemental, sorry I just don't get it, you get yourself in stupid situations (no matter how old you are) stuff happens.
There is another ugly side to this, one that probably fueled more fire than anything. Not morality, it's most likely about $$, the dad has lots of it.
I have a girl and I have a boy, I feel for all sides of this story. Poor judgement was used by all. I know how I have knocked things into their heads about things that might affect their lives negatively. And regardless of the outcome, when you watch that player this year, most people are going to have one thing on their minds and it's not going to be his hitting streak.
Regardless of whether there were adult chaperones on trip, don't people learn from past situations, say Natalie Hollaway? Where were they? Maybe I am being judgemental, sorry I just don't get it, you get yourself in stupid situations (no matter how old you are) stuff happens.
There is another ugly side to this, one that probably fueled more fire than anything. Not morality, it's most likely about $$, the dad has lots of it.
I thought CPLZ and I had decided to put aside our differences and I could leave this alone, so I went out to work on the car. When I got back, I find that he has equated BlueDog with the Taliban and Jimmy03 and RJM have jumped in with both feet in their mouths as well.
Let me try to explain this, guys.
The scale of moral disapproval has many shades and degrees, but it can reasonably be expressed in logarithmic terms, sort of like the Richter Scale on which each step is ten times more severe than the previous step.
Something like this:
Level 1. Disapproving of others' moral choices but not saying anything.
Level 10. Disapproving of others' moral choices and expressing one's disapproval. (e.g., what BlueDog has said).
Level 100. Disapproving of others' moral choices and seeking to limit their participation in society (e.g., keeping gays out of the military).
Level 1,000. Disapproving of others' moral choices and advocating criminal punishment of them.
Level 10,000. Disapproving of another's moral choices and enforcing one's views with non-fatal vigilante action.
Level 100,000. Disapproving of another's moral choices and advocating capital punishment. (e.g., the Pharisees who wanted to kill the woman taken in adultery).
Level 1,000,000. Disapproving of another's moral choices and enforcing one's views through terrorism (e.g., the Taliban).
This is just a rough outline--my purpose in offering it is to show that there are very big differences from one level to the next and the differences get bigger the farther you progress on the scale.
Now, when you consider BlueDog, his stated disapproval (blunt though it is) combines with acceptance of the freedom of others to disagree. That puts him near the very mild end of the disapproval spectrum.
Thus, when CPLZ sees in BlueDog's comments similarities to the Taliban, the undisputed world wide champions of intolerance in action, that qualifies as a hysterical response. The comparison is so grotesquely inappropriate that it cannot be taken seriously. Semi-ditto for the comparisons to puritans and nazis. Letting one's extreme antipathy to BlueDog's point of view prevent him from engaging on an intellectual plane offers a valid example of the word "hysterical." When RJM and Jimmy03 express their approval of slightly less extreme comparisons they are in adjacent compartments of the same boat.
If you don't like what BlueDog is saying, the non-hysterical response is to debate the proposition he asserted by defining one's terms, identifying one's assumptions, and exploring the consequences. The hysterical response is to accuse him of being just a couple baby steps away from equivalence with some of the worst monsters in history. If you really can't see the difference between what BlueDog said and what the Taliban do, then you are certifiably hysterical.
Let me try to explain this, guys.
The scale of moral disapproval has many shades and degrees, but it can reasonably be expressed in logarithmic terms, sort of like the Richter Scale on which each step is ten times more severe than the previous step.
Something like this:
Level 1. Disapproving of others' moral choices but not saying anything.
Level 10. Disapproving of others' moral choices and expressing one's disapproval. (e.g., what BlueDog has said).
Level 100. Disapproving of others' moral choices and seeking to limit their participation in society (e.g., keeping gays out of the military).
Level 1,000. Disapproving of others' moral choices and advocating criminal punishment of them.
Level 10,000. Disapproving of another's moral choices and enforcing one's views with non-fatal vigilante action.
Level 100,000. Disapproving of another's moral choices and advocating capital punishment. (e.g., the Pharisees who wanted to kill the woman taken in adultery).
Level 1,000,000. Disapproving of another's moral choices and enforcing one's views through terrorism (e.g., the Taliban).
This is just a rough outline--my purpose in offering it is to show that there are very big differences from one level to the next and the differences get bigger the farther you progress on the scale.
Now, when you consider BlueDog, his stated disapproval (blunt though it is) combines with acceptance of the freedom of others to disagree. That puts him near the very mild end of the disapproval spectrum.
Thus, when CPLZ sees in BlueDog's comments similarities to the Taliban, the undisputed world wide champions of intolerance in action, that qualifies as a hysterical response. The comparison is so grotesquely inappropriate that it cannot be taken seriously. Semi-ditto for the comparisons to puritans and nazis. Letting one's extreme antipathy to BlueDog's point of view prevent him from engaging on an intellectual plane offers a valid example of the word "hysterical." When RJM and Jimmy03 express their approval of slightly less extreme comparisons they are in adjacent compartments of the same boat.
If you don't like what BlueDog is saying, the non-hysterical response is to debate the proposition he asserted by defining one's terms, identifying one's assumptions, and exploring the consequences. The hysterical response is to accuse him of being just a couple baby steps away from equivalence with some of the worst monsters in history. If you really can't see the difference between what BlueDog said and what the Taliban do, then you are certifiably hysterical.
You don't spend all your time in the swamp do you?
Anything wrong with a swamp? 
quote:Originally posted by Swampboy:
If you really can't see the difference between what BlueDog said and what the Taliban do, then you are certifiably hysterical.
I can live with that, I've been called worse.
The reality is, that the exact words that Bluedog uttered, could easily be applied to any number of extremist zealots, including the Taliban.
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:
I accept God's laws as the only right way......
The operative word in that display of total intolerance, is "only"
His way or the highway...as he sees God, as he interprets "Gods Law", whatever God whispers in his ear. Where is the acceptance of different cultures, with different traditions, different beliefs? Is a Hindu monk that lives his whole life in servitude some lesser being because Bluedogs God is the only right way? It's suddenly the world of Bluedogs God, and Bluedogs God only and you're ok with that?
So now, when people absolutely pervert religious texts, be it the bible, koran, etc, these are the words they use. It's his interpretation of God's law, and the galactically enormous problem with that, is there is no one single "right" interpretation. History has shown huge perversions of the bible, even by majorities. Complete butchery of civilizations have occurred with those words on their lips, giving righteousness to absurd perversions of text.
What Bluedog uttered are very scary words. The fact that you don't see the intolerance spewing forth from them, is a bit perplexing really. The scale of moral disapprovaly is probably more equated to a slope, where it begins with intolerant words like only. Osama Bin Laden was a US ally when we were arming the northern resistance in Afghanistan against the Soviets. When he began turning on the US, he used the Koran and Gods Laws to show his constituency, the only right way.
And yes Swamp, you and I had put aside our differences...unfortunately you jumped in to defend Blue again.
quote:Originally posted by BlueDog:
I accept God's laws as the only right way......
The problem I have always had with Bluedog is arrogance, smugness, and condescension. It is an anathema to the principles taught by Jesus - to be humble imho.
That said, there is nothing offensive or even remotely related to the Taliban in his expression. Bluedog was only speaking for himself. He didn't say "Anyone who does not accept God's laws should be beheaded" He was speaking for what principles he holds dear. I thought we lived in a free country? There is nothing scary about Bluedog's statement for he was only speaking for himself.
The Taliban are from the religion of Islam which means to "submit." It is their way or execution in the soc-cor stadium. How Bluedog's "personal" moral code even minutely compares to that escapes me
Everyone needs to....
CPLZ,
There are about 6 billion people in the world. Maybe 4 or 5 billion of them belong to one religion or another that makes some claim of exclusivity regarding its access to or understanding of or expression of the truth. In this sense, pretty much all of them appropriate the word "only."
Except for the comparatively few people who belong to religions that are explicitly universalist in their theology, believing that your own religion is true seems like sort of a baseline requirement for belonging to anything. I don't understand why it scares you when someone like BlueDog directly asserts that he believes his.
And by the way, I'm not here to be BlueDog's lawyer.
I was less than thrilled when he ignited the re-flash earlier today just when you and I had reached a truce (which, by the way, I'd like to re-establish), and if I thought he wanted my advice, I'd advise him to consider the relative powers of attraction of vinegar and honey. However, I jumped in because his failure to earn style points didn't warrant calling him a potential Talibanista.
I just finished a nap and gotta hit the road to go fetch some kids from their grandparents in the swamp. If I don't respond for the next day or so, it won't mean I've stopped loving you all or can't think of a comeback (but it might mean a gator got me).
Happy New Year to all!
There are about 6 billion people in the world. Maybe 4 or 5 billion of them belong to one religion or another that makes some claim of exclusivity regarding its access to or understanding of or expression of the truth. In this sense, pretty much all of them appropriate the word "only."
Except for the comparatively few people who belong to religions that are explicitly universalist in their theology, believing that your own religion is true seems like sort of a baseline requirement for belonging to anything. I don't understand why it scares you when someone like BlueDog directly asserts that he believes his.
And by the way, I'm not here to be BlueDog's lawyer.
I was less than thrilled when he ignited the re-flash earlier today just when you and I had reached a truce (which, by the way, I'd like to re-establish), and if I thought he wanted my advice, I'd advise him to consider the relative powers of attraction of vinegar and honey. However, I jumped in because his failure to earn style points didn't warrant calling him a potential Talibanista.
I just finished a nap and gotta hit the road to go fetch some kids from their grandparents in the swamp. If I don't respond for the next day or so, it won't mean I've stopped loving you all or can't think of a comeback (but it might mean a gator got me).
Happy New Year to all!
quote:Originally posted by Swampboy:
CPLZ,
There are about 6 billion people in the world. Maybe 4 or 5 billion of them belong to one religion or another that makes some claim of exclusivity regarding its access to or understanding of or expression of the truth. In this sense, pretty much all of them appropriate the word "only."
Except for the comparatively few people who belong to religions that are explicitly universalist in their theology, believing that your own religion is true seems like sort of a baseline requirement for belonging to anything. I don't understand why it scares you when someone like BlueDog directly asserts that he believes his.
Plenty of theological-minded persons (and entire belief systems, for that matter) are willing to accept that their way might not be "the" or "the only" way, recognizing the fraility of humankind and/or the potential for corruption.
I can't speak for anyone else, but it scares the hell out of me whenever anyone says that one way is the only way, because that is when the evil of humankind is able to be realized--no matter of what that "one way" is.
quote:Originally posted by Swampboy:
I jumped in because his failure to earn style points didn't warrant calling him a potential Talibanista.
This isn't an issue of style points. His words have eliminated any potential dialogue.
Why respond to these baited statements? I'm sure some may feel they've tuned into the "wrong station" while looking for the HSBBW.
Happy New Year fellow baseball fans!
Happy New Year fellow baseball fans!
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How long was that nap of your's Swampboy? You best clear those cobwebs. Judging from these snapshots it looks like you turned north at the Georgia stateline instead of south.
It looks like you and your crew are in the Kenai Fjord rather than the Okefenokee. You must have one heckuva' big gas tank on that boat!
...hmmm? Let me guess which one is you.
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- "I just finished a nap and gotta hit the road to go fetch some kids from their grandparents in the swamp."
How long was that nap of your's Swampboy? You best clear those cobwebs. Judging from these snapshots it looks like you turned north at the Georgia stateline instead of south.
It looks like you and your crew are in the Kenai Fjord rather than the Okefenokee. You must have one heckuva' big gas tank on that boat!
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quote:Originally posted by ClevelandDad:
That said, there is nothing offensive or even remotely related to the Taliban in his expression.
Except the ideology is identical.
Imagine, all these heated posts and nobody mentioned any of the really bad words like Liberal, Conservative, Obama, Palin or climate change. 
CD maybe this thread belongs in the Unusually Unusual section with the rest of the non baseball threads.
CD maybe this thread belongs in the Unusually Unusual section with the rest of the non baseball threads.
I said it, I mean it and I believe it......Almighty God in Heaven is our Creator and He gave us the Bible to tell us what He expects from us....
The Bible is clear and easy to understand if it is studied as it should be....Oh, you may not understand some part of it it at first read, but, keep studying and the message will become clear to you....If you want to understand the Bible, you will find websites and people who will guide you to an understanding you will be able to authenticate for yourself by your study...
FWIW, as a Bible believer, I am humbled by the Holy Spirit.....But, I am not to go around and be a humble pushover for every person who attacks my belief in the Bible.......That is not God's message to mankind.....That is what Satan wants me to do, though......
The Bible is clear and easy to understand if it is studied as it should be....Oh, you may not understand some part of it it at first read, but, keep studying and the message will become clear to you....If you want to understand the Bible, you will find websites and people who will guide you to an understanding you will be able to authenticate for yourself by your study...
FWIW, as a Bible believer, I am humbled by the Holy Spirit.....But, I am not to go around and be a humble pushover for every person who attacks my belief in the Bible.......That is not God's message to mankind.....That is what Satan wants me to do, though......
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You know what? You're right fillsfan...we could use those heated posts down in the Unusually Unusual Forum. It's been cold. We've just been chillin'...sittin' around. Trying to figure out whose bark is worse than their bite.
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You know what? You're right fillsfan...we could use those heated posts down in the Unusually Unusual Forum. It's been cold. We've just been chillin'...sittin' around. Trying to figure out whose bark is worse than their bite.
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quote:Originally posted by fillsfan:
Imagine, all these heated posts and nobody mentioned any of the really bad words like Liberal, Conservative, Obama, Palin or climate change.
CD maybe this thread belongs in the Unusually Unusual section with the rest of the non baseball threads.
While this thread, at times, has taken a frustratingly hard turn toward religious and philisophical differences, I still think that what ever factual info eventually comes out will provide valuable life learning lessons for our young ballplayer citizens.
Mr Wittels’ association with baseball will obviously resonate with our audience.
Let's be clear here, the God of the Bible to which Bluedog refers says very clearly every person is subjection to the governing authorities. Not exactly the approach of the Taliban....in fact, nothing like it.
quote:Originally posted by Swampboy:] When I got back, I find that he has equated BlueDog with the Taliban and Jimmy03 and RJM have jumped in with both feet in their mouths as well.
Really? Where?
In legal situations all the IF's are looked at. I mentioned the one I believe may be the most likely. Having an opinion is not inappropropriate.quote:Originally posted by cheapseats:
Maybe I am crazy or old fashion but even with the word "IF" I think your post is inappropriate.
I expressed my opinion. I've been polite to everyone until now. This is just your IGNORANT opinion.quote:RJM have jumped in with both feet in their feet in their mouths as well.
Let's just get the real problem out in the open. There's a group of people from a certain religion who believe if we don't pray to their god and saviour we pray to a false god (and their morality). It's obnoxious. It's offends me and my religion.