What are recruiters really looking for?

What colleges is your son targeting? (D1 power conf, Ivy etc)

Which showcases and camps has your son been to?  Which one's is he signed up for?

Does his club coach see the same talent as you do?

How long is the video attached to the email? 

You may want to look at the length and tone of your son's emails

d1 - d3 schools in VA, DC, MD, NC

PG showcases/Dynamic showcases/and others- PG GA, PG  Ft Myers, Plenty of camps by Baseball America, East Coast Baseball, Play In School, and at 2 of the schools he interested in.  We can't afford them all but try to choose wisely and send links to video channel.

Yes coach indicates he's a d1 player at the next level

Video typically is a link that directs to his you tube channel with offensive and defensive videos that are about 90 seconds or less each

Emails are short and direct.  Very positive and genuine.  Nothing in accurate or that could come across in a selfish way.  He's emailed transcripts once this fall as well. He typically lets them know how he's playing, where he is scheduled to play that coming weekend and that he looks forward to seeing them.  

Based on what you said describing him, he'll play somewhere, just needs to find the right fit.  I would suggest attending Headfirst in the summer of 2018, and continue to cast a wide net...

Recruiters are looking for players that will help them win games.  They are looking for players who are better than what they currently have on roster.

Sounds very similar (size, position, stats, grades) to my 2018.  It wasn't until after attending the Headfirst showcase that we got responses and interest.  Games with his Travel team never generated anything.  Despite doing well in games at HF, the coaches focused on details that were not necessarily part of games--exit velocity measurement (despite hitting well in games) and transfer mechanics on catching defense (despite a solid pop time)...things a Dad is not trained on.  It was apparent that D1 coaches knew what D1 players looked like and D3 coaches knew what D3 players looked like.  

My recommendation is to do one of the national showcases where a lot of coaches attend (Headfirst, Show ball etc.).  You will get attention from those and you will know better where things stand.

Last comment...there is a ton of competition out there.  At the Arizona Senior Fall Classic earlier this month there were 39 catchers trying out for 6 slots in the academic game...these were all uncommitted catchers, all with a 3.7 or above GPA, and all who had booked plane flights and took time off school.  Most all of the catchers were good enough to play college baseball someplace.  The differences between players were very subtle.

Meant to add: 6'2" 180 pounds is a little bit skinny.  What is his exit Velo?   He should be in a great strength program to add muscle .  Just a pure guess but some of the RC's might be taking a wait and see to find out if he fills out more.  I could be wrong but 180 pounds is kinda small for a D1 Catcher.  A lot of those guys are huge

Cut,  you have stated he plays for a top organization. Your son needs to have a conversation with his coach, as he is the first line of confirmation to his playing level and potential. He should ask the coach, where he needs to improve and convey his goals. Most coaches do get feedback on players, as well as reach out to potential school "targets" the player is interested in. Coaches are the trusted link to prospective schools in a lot of cases. Not many beyond the top percentage of players simply go play and get recruited.

Keep in mind, others you refer to have a different path than your son. Keeping tabs on others will mean nothing to your sons recruitment and continued frustration will result. Stay focused on his path, September 1 means very little to a majority of players. You are certainly not alone.

Measurables mean very little in the catcher department. His size is good, BA means very little, the pop is a pro number(a coach will verify on his own).........I suggest picking up a couple of those camp invites, as catchers have to show their receiving skills, footwork, athleticism, blocking and arm strength..............in just about that order of importance with BB IQ sandwiched, somewhere between skills and athleticism.

If he lacks in any of the catchers skill blocks, remember, it is now the off season and it's time to get better. I'm guessing the schools know who he is. IMO, with no confirmation of interest can mean one thing, GET BETTER!

Yes he is planning to work with his strength/body coach this winter along with the HS baseball program and their conditioning/lifting schedule in the mornings before school starting next week.  My hope is that he is at 190-195  to start his Junior HS season.  I'm guessing too they are waiting to see more from him and how he fills out.  Most schools say they love his bat, just not sure where on the field yet. But his athleticism is good enough to play multiple spots.  And he is wiling to shift wherever needed.  Just wondering what I'm missing why nobody shows enough interest to write or call yet when I see others that already commit and are not the same quality kid on and off the field.  Thanks for your help.  Just wondering if I am totally off base here.  The size is projectable.  Isn't that what they do with pitchers too?  But he doesn't pitch 90+ either.  So I can understand that more. 

I don't think you are off-base, no...  Get him to Headfirst and contact coaches of desired schools prior to Headfirst.  You should see traction from that Showcase.  Lots of good threads on Headfirst here if you search....

Hardest position to fill is at catcher because the starting catcher usually remains as starting catcher unless he is injured or he graduates or drafted.

Yes, you have to be a lot bigger than 180 for the job and yes, you have to be better than what they already have.

If you are shooting for an instate school, the competition is too big in VA. Probably he has to focus elsewhere.

He also has time. 

Welcome to the site, Cutfour.  You said showcase coach says he is D1 talent.  What does he say about how he matches up with the 7-10 schools he is targeting?  Why would he then not at least get strong interest from the D3's?  He is probably your best source for assessing the current situation.

Be aware that much of your description of his playing skill set and accomplishments is the same as just about every kid in the country targeting D1 (best on HS team, good measurables, swings it well, athletic, one of the top... , does well with showcase team but maybe not the best on that team, etc.)  The other stuff matters but not as much.

When comparing with other players being recruited (probably best not to), keep in mind that it is very much our nature to focus on the stat or skill set or character trait that our son compares favorably with and not see the big picture, taking all into consideration.  Also, college coaches are looking at and for different things than what most of us see.  Without seeing your son play, it would be impossible for us to guess which of the hundreds of things it might be.  It sounds like he is working hard and has a plan.  It sounds like he has a very useful skill set and won't scare anyone off with grades and behavior.  If he keeps at it, he will find open doors.

And if you are looking for a showcase that has spots by position (Headfirst/Showball) MI positions fill first, followed by catchers. Sometimes catchers even fill before MI (1 position vs 2).  Based on son's GPA, if you are looking the high academic route, (especially the D1/D3 schools with smaller rosters) it is still early. These schools want to see who is out there, and if the player has the grades.  It's not too early though to take the SAT/ACT .

Hi Cutfour! Welcome.

You state that he plays for "one of the top showcase organizations" there is. I would assume you are referring to the "Canes" large family of teams based upon your geography. I may be wrong but it does not really make much difference. If all is as you state with regards to his play & ability, I find it hard to believe that the Coach from this organization does not have any contacts to help at least give him a push to a School that he would fit at. At minimum, this Coach should at least line him up with a personal invite to a Camp where he would not just be a number but a player they were going to take a good look at if he attended the school camp.

If this coach has no contacts or is not willing to step out there for him, I would suggest finding a coach within the same organization who does have contacts or a different opportunity to play for him next Summer. 

Call Headfirst and Showball and find out about waitlist for their camps in two weeks, you may may get lucky.  High academic was mentioned: how'd he do on the ACT?

You do have time, and don't pay attention to other people's recruiting...  Stay focused on improving his strength and refining his catching skills - he'll have colleges paying attention next summer. 

There are key high academic camps that start in June you'll need to be aware of, they sell out early January fyi.  Keeping grades strong and having a good ACT will provide more options for your son.

Welcome to the site, lots of experience here.

BTW, we have a 2019 in our program in a somewhat similar situation.  He is a SS with the full package... definite D1 arm, advanced glove work, range, very good plate approach, gap to gap, swing plane, sub 7 60, excellent baseball awareness, great base-stealer/base runner, competitor, great kid, good grades, on and on.  Best SS to come out of our area as long as I can remember.  Our school has sent some guys D1 in recent years who have been instant contributors.  This one stands out beyond those guys and earlier.  All the baseball people in his immediate circle are sure he will go D1 and play.  He plays with an established travel org that hits the big events and his teammates are all falling off the board around him.  There has been interest and a few visits but no offers.  Everyone is scratching their heads.  The only thing is he's small... but a MIF and already packing good muscle on his frame  (If it's size that is holding some of these schools back, they are making a mistake).He is doing absolutely everything right to get in front of the right people and performing well when he does.  Dad is starting to panic and get very frustrated.  I think it's all gonna come in a flurry in the Spring or early summer if not sooner.  

The point of all this ... sometimes the timing of this thing just doesn't happen when you think it should and it can drive you nuts and not make sense.  But, if you can play and you are taking the steps, it will happen.

It is very important that your son at least finds enough patience and comfort that he can enjoy his current HS experience and playing his junior year while this is swirling.

Steve A. posted:

Hi Cutfour! Welcome.

You state that he plays for "one of the top showcase organizations" there is. I would assume you are referring to the "Canes" large family of teams based upon your geography. I may be wrong but it does not really make much difference. If all is as you state with regards to his play & ability, I find it hard to believe that the Coach from this organization does not have any contacts to help at least give him a push to a School that he would fit at. At minimum, this Coach should at least line him up with a personal invite to a Camp where he would not just be a number but a player they were going to take a good look at if he attended the school camp.

If this coach has no contacts or is not willing to step out there for him, I would suggest finding a coach within the same organization who does have contacts or a different opportunity to play for him next Summer. 

I agree with Steve A. A well respected advocate seems like what is needed in this case. Trust me, it goes a long way. I have seen kids that are not even the best on their travel teams at a particular position but they have a coach/advisor who is well respected in some circles that can make a difference. They could even be the tie-breaker when its down to one or the other at certain schools. Just like business, sometimes its just who you know.

Welcome to the crazy world of recruiting. Obviously hard to understand why there is not at least some interest based on measurables. However, as several have noted, may not be a tougher position to find a home then as a catcher. I would highly recommend that he gets on a solid performance training plan that also addresses his 60 time. IMO, If he is running a 7.3, all of his other measurables have to be excellent to play for competitive D1 program. I would also recommend that you don’t stress on lack of D3 love yet. My son had interest in couple of CA D3’s who did very little in terms of personal communication until late. I am assuming your son’s measurables are keeping them from showing too much interest because they are anticipating his development and believe they will be out of the picture next year.

It  sounds like perhaps he should consider widening the net from 7-10 schools to 75-100 schools of all size and locations.  I dont know where he is looking, but if the geographic region is limited to the Virginia area, that may be a tough fit.  I have come to believe that there is a place for kids who work hard and want to play, but it may not be at a school they had ever considered until looking outside their initial top 10 schools.  I would also say be patient as there is still time, although it often feels like you are behind.  Good luck

FWIW, Catchers were not asked to run the 60 at the Arizona Senior Fall Classic.  Rather, they tested blocking, framing, pop time and batting.  Not sure the 7.3 is a big deal for Catchers.

CutFour,

A couple thoughts....

1) As others have suggested, you've got to lean on your travel coach more.  I live in the Commonwealth and know most if not all of the elite teams.   Connecting talent to college programs is what they do best especially the Canes and Cardinals in my neck of the woods.  Request some time with the coach/manager to go over your son's recruitment plan with focus schools, action items, and timetable.   I'd also lean in on your son's high school coach to see if they can help.   Here's the deal...your travel coach and high school coach are going to have a network of college coaches to recommend your son which carries more weight than a call or email from your son.   Leverage that resource.  Depending on your son's target schools (national, regional, state) the travel coach may be able to help.  My son played for the Richmond Braves back when they had one national team and they were very, very good.  The travel coaches had great D1 connections within the state and region that got my son started down his FIRST recruiting path with offers at local D1 mid-majors.  He would eventually change direction to more high academic nationally recruited schools which his travel coaches were not as familiar with.  My wife, son and I had to step up and figure that out on our own.   So, it is up to your son to determine what he is looking for and then find those people that can best help him.

2) High academic schools with focus on ACT/SAT and then rigor and GPA.   Depending on how your son did/will do on the ACT/SAT there may be additional doors available outside of VA/NC/DC/MD.   This is where my son started and then branched out as more options and opportunities presented themselves.

3) I agree with FriarFred that opening up the geography and number of schools to consider may be a good next step.   You don't want to limit his options at this point.

4) Recruited = skill + passion + exposure + persistence + luck.   Work on getting exposed to the right schools for your son's skill level and the luck will take care of itself!  ;-)

5) Love the screen name....CutFour.

As always, JMO.   Good luck! 

CutFour posted:

What are recruiters really looking for?

For high school junior catchers? First and foremost, power. A powerful bat and a powerful arm. Most committed junior catchers probably have top tier exit velo and catcher arm velo. Your son is probably not at that level.  I only see three committed 2019 catchers from VA, and who knows the specifics of their situations. My point being, your son is probably right on schedule. It's not his time, yet. The most important recruiting period for most kids is the summer after junior year. Stay the course, and focus on what he can control.

With his GPA, I would say that the most important thing for him to work on is SAT/ACT scores. Very high scores could open up many opportunities.

Good luck.

I'd guess coaches don't see him as a catcher and at 7.23 you'd better rake with the bat. And I mean rake.

For the OP, I'd go to this page: www.perfectgame.org/College/CollegeCommitments.aspx, click on "Recently Submitted Committments," sort by position and look at the catchers in the 2019 class who are committing. That will give you a real sense. Because it's only commitments in the last 50 days, it gives you a real sense of what recruiters are looking for right now (particularly for kids who recently attended a showcase, you'll have up-to-date data) and it weeds out the early commits who might have had off the charts measurables (and/or out-of-date).

For example, if I look at the fifteen most recent RHP commits (my kid is not a catcher), it is apparent to me that recruiters are looking for 2019 RHP who are listed over 6'0" and are topping out at 88 right now:

1. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=520572 (6'0"; topped out at 88 on 10/5/17)
2. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=379541 (6'2"; topped out at 87 on 10/5/17)
3. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=593909 (6'2"; velo not listed)
4. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=491303 (5'11"; topped out at 88 on 10/5/17)
5. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=464439 (6'4"; topped out at 88 on 7/7/17)
6. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=463184 (6'0"; topped out at 84 on 7/7/17)
7. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=527485 (6'5"; topped out at 89 on 10/5/17)
8. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=521822 (6'4"; topped out at 91 on 7/14/17)
9. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=517992 (6'2"; topped out at 88 on 7/7/17)
10. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=499684 (6'5"; topped out at 89 on 10/5/17)
11. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=450780 (6'5"; topped out at 88 on 10/19/17)
12. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=448998 (6'3"; topped out at 88 on 10/19/17)
13. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=444901 (6'1"; topped out at 86 on 10/5/17)
14. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=512222 (6'1"; topped out at 86 on 6/1/17)
15. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=417855 (5'11"; topped out at 87 on 10/5/17)

You've gotten some valuable responses. I just like data. If I ask around, people will say you need to be 90+ (maybe you do by the time you graduate) but if I look at the data it seems like 88 is the magic number right now for 2019 RHPs. (I know that your son is not a RHP, just thought this might be useful for others). Anyway, you can do the same kind of analysis for catchers (size, pop time, exit velo) and compare it to your son's measurables.

PerfectGame is a treasure trove of information.

2019Dad posted:

For the OP, I'd go to this page: www.perfectgame.org/College/CollegeCommitments.aspx, click on "Recently Submitted Committments," sort by position and look at the catchers in the 2019 class who are committing. That will give you a real sense. Because it's only commitments in the last 50 days, it gives you a real sense of what recruiters are looking for right now (particularly for kids who recently attended a showcase, you'll have up-to-date data) and it weeds out the early commits who might have had off the charts measurables (and/or out-of-date).

For example, if I look at the fifteen most recent RHP commits (my kid is not a catcher), it is apparent to me that recruiters are looking for 2019 RHP who are listed over 6'0" and are topping out at 88 right now:

1. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=520572 (6'0"; topped out at 88 on 10/5/17)
2. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=379541 (6'2"; topped out at 87 on 10/5/17)
3. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=593909 (6'2"; velo not listed)
4. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=491303 (5'11"; topped out at 88 on 10/5/17)
5. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=464439 (6'4"; topped out at 88 on 7/7/17)
6. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=463184 (6'0"; topped out at 84 on 7/7/17)
7. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=527485 (6'5"; topped out at 89 on 10/5/17)
8. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=521822 (6'4"; topped out at 91 on 7/14/17)
9. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=517992 (6'2"; topped out at 88 on 7/7/17)
10. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=499684 (6'5"; topped out at 89 on 10/5/17)
11. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=450780 (6'5"; topped out at 88 on 10/19/17)
12. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=448998 (6'3"; topped out at 88 on 10/19/17)
13. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=444901 (6'1"; topped out at 86 on 10/5/17)
14. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=512222 (6'1"; topped out at 86 on 6/1/17)
15. www.perfectgame.org/Players/Pl...ofile.aspx?ID=417855 (5'11"; topped out at 87 on 10/5/17)

 

You've gotten some valuable responses. I just like data. If I ask around, people will say you need to be 90+ (maybe you do by the time you graduate) but if I look at the data it seems like 88 is the magic number right now for 2019 RHPs. (I know that your son is not a RHP, just thought this might be useful for others). Anyway, you can do the same kind of analysis for catchers (size, pop time, exit velo) and compare it to your son's measurables.

PerfectGame is a treasure trove of information.

2019, this is a great analysis. Thanks for doing this. 

AD2018 posted:

FWIW, Catchers were not asked to run the 60 at the Arizona Senior Fall Classic.  Rather, they tested blocking, framing, pop time and batting.  Not sure the 7.3 is a big deal for Catchers.

Thanks AD2018 - yeah I've never heard of any issue with a Catcher who is a 7.2-7.3 guy.  Middle infield and outfield they want below 7.0.  Most catchers I've seen are running Mid 7's or slower.  I certainly think my kid can fill in a bit and add some more muscle weight and not impact his 60 time. he worked with a speed coach last winter and it definitely helped, especially with his starting motion and with knowing the number of steps it takes to run an actual 60.  the three phases involved, etc.  Also the kids that are being recruited or already at some of the schools he's looking at are not listed any bigger than him.  Some of them, not all.  So I don't think he's off by much.  We just recently moved him to another team with better coaches and advocates so I just need to give it more time and let my kid keep working to get bigger, better and show more  improvement this spring/summer.

Appreciate everyone's responses and I learned a lot of great info here about just giving it more time to let him get a little bigger, the Headfirst camps as an idea and expanding his list of schools.  Don't think we'll go as high as 75 but we'll try to double it to 20-25 and see how that goes.  He did get an email this weekend from a D2 school that is having a camp this coming weekend  and they need 2018 pitchers and any positions for 2019 commits as they don't have any commits yet and still have scholarship money available that they plan to use after this camp.  Problem is we already committed to another camp.  Hard to be in 5 places at once when they all typically target the same couple weekends to run their camps.  I'm sure we can follow back up with them if my son still is not getting any interest by next summer. 

Thank you everyone for the insight and assistance through this process!

To reiterate what others have said, the measurables are what matters, not the stats.  Colleges will not care about BA or OBP, or much of anything else.  They will care about his pop time and his batted ball exit velo.  After that they are going to want to see how he handles himself behind the plate as well as his hitting approach at the plate.  

You mention that you are in one of the top travel programs in the country.  If his travel coaches do not have extensive college contacts then I would argue that you are not in one of the top travel programs or you are on one of the B/C/D teams and they are only using you for your money.  All of the travel programs I know of that are considered top programs have very deep college contacts and will use them to help their players, unless they do not believe in that player.  They are not going to tarnish their reputation on a player they do not believe in.

The best advice anyone every gave me is this.  You are going to drive yourself crazy worrying about why others are being recruited and committing while your son is not.  I would highly suggest ignoring the other commitments and focus on your sons journey.  There are many reasons others are being sought after and your son is not.  Some schools have a very specific player type in mind and only recruit those.  Others may have very limited spots and the commitment they have is the HCs cousins best friends neighbor.  You never know why the colleges are attracted to the other kids.  

Finally, I would suggest that you cast your net wider.  7 - 10 programs is very small.  Be realistic with yourself.  D1 means a lot of things and is a wide net.  There is a huge difference between the TCU program and say Central Mich, or even between TCU and Mich State.  Make sure you are targeting properly.

cabbagedad posted:

BTW, we have a 2019 in our program in a somewhat similar situation.  He is a SS with the full package... definite D1 arm, advanced glove work, range, very good plate approach, gap to gap, swing plane, sub 7 60, excellent baseball awareness, great base-stealer/base runner, competitor, great kid, good grades, on and on.  Best SS to come out of our area as long as I can remember.  Our school has sent some guys D1 in recent years who have been instant contributors.  This one stands out beyond those guys and earlier.  All the baseball people in his immediate circle are sure he will go D1 and play.  He plays with an established travel org that hits the big events and his teammates are all falling off the board around him.  There has been interest and a few visits but no offers.  Everyone is scratching their heads.  The only thing is he's small... but a MIF and already packing good muscle on his frame  (If it's size that is holding some of these schools back, they are making a mistake).He is doing absolutely everything right to get in front of the right people and performing well when he does.  Dad is starting to panic and get very frustrated.  I think it's all gonna come in a flurry in the Spring or early summer if not sooner.  

The point of all this ... sometimes the timing of this thing just doesn't happen when you think it should and it can drive you nuts and not make sense.  But, if you can play and you are taking the steps, it will happen.

It is very important that your son at least finds enough patience and comfort that he can enjoy his current HS experience and playing his junior year while this is swirling.

Agreed.  Things will happen fast.  I wouldn't sweat it too much.  Sounds like he has good measurable.  Just concentrate on getting bigger/faster/stronger, and achieving a high ACT.  The ACT will matter more than the grade point average.

Our catcher sounds exactly like your son,  on varisity since Freshman yr,   little stockier  6" 195.   He commited to elite div 1 this summer (before his senior yr) and supposedly had many offers to choose from.  Performed well in Travel ball.   He is still not highly ranked on PG  but if you saw his offer list and where he ended up you would think he would at least be top 100 in Texas and he is not.  

So what I'm reading is...right now the only 2019's getting offers are extreme pitchers and extreme HR hitters.  Other 2019's need to wait a minute, it will come.

CaCO3Girl posted:

So what I'm reading is...right now the only 2019's getting offers are extreme pitchers and extreme HR hitters.  Other 2019's need to wait a minute, it will come.

This is not true.  Per PG, there are 978 2019 commitments in D1, as of today.

Smitty28 posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

So what I'm reading is...right now the only 2019's getting offers are extreme pitchers and extreme HR hitters.  Other 2019's need to wait a minute, it will come.

This is not true.  Per PG, there are 978 2019 commitments in D1, as of today.

I would say that most if not all Power 5 schools are done recruiting 2019's. There may be a few exceptions but not many. As for Mid major D1's, most are just now getting some of their 1st players on board at least in our area. Still plenty of opportunities for those schools as well as D2, D3, and JUCO.

Smitty28 posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

So what I'm reading is...right now the only 2019's getting offers are extreme pitchers and extreme HR hitters.  Other 2019's need to wait a minute, it will come.

This is not true.  Per PG, there are 978 2019 commitments in D1, as of today.

And obviously quite a few more have offers but haven't committed . . . probably around a third of all 2019 D1 commits have happened already, the other two-thirds will happen over the course of the next year.

2019Dad posted:

Smitty28 posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

So what I'm reading is...right now the only 2019's getting offers are extreme pitchers and extreme HR hitters.  Other 2019's need to wait a minute, it will come.

This is not true.  Per PG, there are 978 2019 commitments in D1, as of today.

And obviously quite a few more have offers but haven't committed . . . probably around a third of all 2019 D1 commits have happened already, the other two-thirds will happen over the course of the next year.

The 2018 class has 2,895 commits, the 2017 class had 4,966 commits and the 2016 class had 4,585 commits. Either there are just fewer commits in the 2018 class, or they're not reporting commitments on PG or there are still more to come (or all of the above). 

Midwest Mom posted:

2019Dad posted:

Smitty28 posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

So what I'm reading is...right now the only 2019's getting offers are extreme pitchers and extreme HR hitters.  Other 2019's need to wait a minute, it will come.

This is not true.  Per PG, there are 978 2019 commitments in D1, as of today.

And obviously quite a few more have offers but haven't committed . . . probably around a third of all 2019 D1 commits have happened already, the other two-thirds will happen over the course of the next year.

The 2018 class has 2,895 commits, the 2017 class had 4,966 commits and the 2016 class had 4,585 commits. Either there are just fewer commits in the 2018 class, or they're not reporting commitments on PG or there are still more to come (or all of the above). 

Yes, no doubt there are plenty 2019 opportunities out there, but we've moved past just the elite players.  There are plenty of very good solid players (perhaps not elite) that are getting offers now.

Smitty28 posted:

Midwest Mom posted:

2019Dad posted:

Smitty28 posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

So what I'm reading is...right now the only 2019's getting offers are extreme pitchers and extreme HR hitters.  Other 2019's need to wait a minute, it will come.

This is not true.  Per PG, there are 978 2019 commitments in D1, as of today.

And obviously quite a few more have offers but haven't committed . . . probably around a third of all 2019 D1 commits have happened already, the other two-thirds will happen over the course of the next year.

The 2018 class has 2,895 commits, the 2017 class had 4,966 commits and the 2016 class had 4,585 commits. Either there are just fewer commits in the 2018 class, or they're not reporting commitments on PG or there are still more to come (or all of the above). 

Yes, no doubt there are plenty 2019 opportunities out there, but we've moved past just the elite players.  There are plenty of very good solid players (perhaps not elite) that are getting offers now.

Thanks Midwest Mom, I never noticed those total numbers before. Here are the rest:

2019s: 978
2020s: 257
2021s: 63

MidAtlanticDad posted:

Smitty28 posted:

Midwest Mom posted:

2019Dad posted:

Smitty28 posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

So what I'm reading is...right now the only 2019's getting offers are extreme pitchers and extreme HR hitters.  Other 2019's need to wait a minute, it will come.

This is not true.  Per PG, there are 978 2019 commitments in D1, as of today.

And obviously quite a few more have offers but haven't committed . . . probably around a third of all 2019 D1 commits have happened already, the other two-thirds will happen over the course of the next year.

The 2018 class has 2,895 commits, the 2017 class had 4,966 commits and the 2016 class had 4,585 commits. Either there are just fewer commits in the 2018 class, or they're not reporting commitments on PG or there are still more to come (or all of the above). 

Yes, no doubt there are plenty 2019 opportunities out there, but we've moved past just the elite players.  There are plenty of very good solid players (perhaps not elite) that are getting offers now.

Thanks Midwest Mom, I never noticed those total numbers before. Here are the rest:

2019s: 978
2020s: 257
2021s: 63

And how many typically go in the draft each year?  40 rounds, has to be a significant number.

CaCO3Girl posted:

MidAtlanticDad posted:

Smitty28 posted:

Midwest Mom posted:

2019Dad posted:

Smitty28 posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

So what I'm reading is...right now the only 2019's getting offers are extreme pitchers and extreme HR hitters.  Other 2019's need to wait a minute, it will come.

This is not true.  Per PG, there are 978 2019 commitments in D1, as of today.

And obviously quite a few more have offers but haven't committed . . . probably around a third of all 2019 D1 commits have happened already, the other two-thirds will happen over the course of the next year.

The 2018 class has 2,895 commits, the 2017 class had 4,966 commits and the 2016 class had 4,585 commits. Either there are just fewer commits in the 2018 class, or they're not reporting commitments on PG or there are still more to come (or all of the above). 

Yes, no doubt there are plenty 2019 opportunities out there, but we've moved past just the elite players.  There are plenty of very good solid players (perhaps not elite) that are getting offers now.

Thanks Midwest Mom, I never noticed those total numbers before. Here are the rest:

2019s: 978
2020s: 257
2021s: 63

And how many typically go in the draft each year?  40 rounds, has to be a significant number.

Round numbers... this year was pretty close to 50% college, 25% HS, 25% international

CaCO3Girl posted:

MidAtlanticDad posted:

Smitty28 posted:

Midwest Mom posted:

2019Dad posted:

Smitty28 posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

So what I'm reading is...right now the only 2019's getting offers are extreme pitchers and extreme HR hitters.  Other 2019's need to wait a minute, it will come.

This is not true.  Per PG, there are 978 2019 commitments in D1, as of today.

And obviously quite a few more have offers but haven't committed . . . probably around a third of all 2019 D1 commits have happened already, the other two-thirds will happen over the course of the next year.

The 2018 class has 2,895 commits, the 2017 class had 4,966 commits and the 2016 class had 4,585 commits. Either there are just fewer commits in the 2018 class, or they're not reporting commitments on PG or there are still more to come (or all of the above). 

Yes, no doubt there are plenty 2019 opportunities out there, but we've moved past just the elite players.  There are plenty of very good solid players (perhaps not elite) that are getting offers now.

Thanks Midwest Mom, I never noticed those total numbers before. Here are the rest:

2019s: 978
2020s: 257
2021s: 63

And how many typically go in the draft each year?  40 rounds, has to be a significant number.

Just over 300 high school players were drafted in 2017 but only about 1/2 of those signed.

Smitty28 posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

MidAtlanticDad posted:

Smitty28 posted:

Midwest Mom posted:

2019Dad posted:

Smitty28 posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

So what I'm reading is...right now the only 2019's getting offers are extreme pitchers and extreme HR hitters.  Other 2019's need to wait a minute, it will come.

This is not true.  Per PG, there are 978 2019 commitments in D1, as of today.

And obviously quite a few more have offers but haven't committed . . . probably around a third of all 2019 D1 commits have happened already, the other two-thirds will happen over the course of the next year.

The 2018 class has 2,895 commits, the 2017 class had 4,966 commits and the 2016 class had 4,585 commits. Either there are just fewer commits in the 2018 class, or they're not reporting commitments on PG or there are still more to come (or all of the above). 

Yes, no doubt there are plenty 2019 opportunities out there, but we've moved past just the elite players.  There are plenty of very good solid players (perhaps not elite) that are getting offers now.

Thanks Midwest Mom, I never noticed those total numbers before. Here are the rest:

2019s: 978
2020s: 257
2021s: 63

And how many typically go in the draft each year?  40 rounds, has to be a significant number.

Round numbers... this year was pretty close to 50% college, 25% HS, 25% international

124 high-schoolers drafted in the first 20 rounds last year. Figure about 100, maybe a bit more, are drafted and signed out of high school.

Here's my math: 300 D1 programs, roughly 10 commits per school, roughly 3000 D1 commits per year. Might be off by 10% either way. With 978 current D1 commits, roughly one-third have committed. 

Edited to add: Coach LD has better info than me. So 150 signed in the draft.

2019Dad posted:

Smitty28 posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

MidAtlanticDad posted:

Smitty28 posted:

Midwest Mom posted:

2019Dad posted:

Smitty28 posted:

CaCO3Girl posted:

So what I'm reading is...right now the only 2019's getting offers are extreme pitchers and extreme HR hitters.  Other 2019's need to wait a minute, it will come.

This is not true.  Per PG, there are 978 2019 commitments in D1, as of today.

And obviously quite a few more have offers but haven't committed . . . probably around a third of all 2019 D1 commits have happened already, the other two-thirds will happen over the course of the next year.

The 2018 class has 2,895 commits, the 2017 class had 4,966 commits and the 2016 class had 4,585 commits. Either there are just fewer commits in the 2018 class, or they're not reporting commitments on PG or there are still more to come (or all of the above). 

Yes, no doubt there are plenty 2019 opportunities out there, but we've moved past just the elite players.  There are plenty of very good solid players (perhaps not elite) that are getting offers now.

Thanks Midwest Mom, I never noticed those total numbers before. Here are the rest:

2019s: 978
2020s: 257
2021s: 63

And how many typically go in the draft each year?  40 rounds, has to be a significant number.

Round numbers... this year was pretty close to 50% college, 25% HS, 25% international

124 high-schoolers drafted in the first 20 rounds last year. Figure about 100, maybe a bit more, are drafted and signed out of high school.

Here's my math: 300 D1 programs, roughly 10 commits per school, roughly 3000 D1 commits per year. Might be off by 10% either way. With 978 current D1 commits, roughly one-third have committed. 

Edited to add: Coach LD has better info than me. So 150 signed in the draft.

Okay, I'll go with 150 signed, but 300 had MiLB talent.  If that is the case, I'm saying 900 is not all the higher D1's.  Let's also not forget the kids who are committed but their grades won't be good enough.  I think the OP talked about a kid who still has time to go D1.  However I will say, the D1 catchers I have seen had a lower pop time.  His current measurables put him at low D1 in my UN-expert opinion.  They are not calling yet.