What happened to all the experinced High School coaches?

Our coach replaced a 25 year veteran.The worst experience we've had was when he told our 2011 player that a NAIA Coach from a school in Georgia called for an evaluation & he told the coach that he felt our son could not play at that level. He actually told our son this as though he had done him a favor...

We started omitting his name & number on recruiting forms after that & only used the Fall Coach.

He received a 65% scholarship offer ( athletic & academic) from a D2 last month.

There are what 20,000 some high school head coaches? That's just at the varsity level.

That's a lot of coaches. It's not a high paying job. I'm afraid there will always be some bad ones.

That said, there are also high school coaches that are just as good as some of the coaches in professional baseball. In fact, there are a lot of great high school coaches. Unfortunately there are a lot of bad ones as well.

Players need to deal with these situations. For the most part complaining is just a waste of time.

My son has a buddy whose dad used to coach high school baseball. Great guy. Pitched at OU, got a teaching degree so he could coach, drafted by the Cardinals, and after he reached his limit went and teaches middle school and coached. He quit right before my son started high school and I asked him why. He said he got tired of dealing with parents, and the administration taking the side of the parents. Parents became so overbearing that he said it wasnt worth the money. I think it was about $1500 extra to coach. I thought dealing with parents was bad when I coached youth, but they get worse.

I know we all have high hopes for the instruction our children receive but as PG points out when you consider the pittance a HS coach is paid they should be more focused on their jobs in the classroom then coaching the baseball team. Rather then worrying about the coaches who are not as good we should be honoring the coaches who are essentially volunteers and who bring their passion, expertise and experience to the job.

Agree PG about plenty of good even great HS coaches but my son unfortunately had one as described by other posters on her- he was clueless about improving any skills and even more clueless about fundamental baseball strategies.

He also did same thing other posters have claimed their inept coaches did-he surrounded himself with assistant coaches that knew even less than he did which pretty much has protected him as a "head coach" from losing that job from one of his less skilled, less knowledgable coaches.

I suppose it shows a sense of intelligence in him preserving his coaching job security (20+ years now) by surrounding himself with his hand picked further inept colleagues-I just never saw same level of intelligence on display in his coaching.

Might not be able to top the coach who undersold his player to a NAIA college coach but how about my son had 3 separate visits one HS season from a D1 Athletic Director whose Recruiting Coord and Head Coach sent him (they were in the middle of their season so could not attend)to see our son play in 3 different games and his HS coach never told our son, we as his parents, not a one of his teammates, not another coach and not even the HS AD or HS administration about any of these visits!! Nobody in my sons HS was ever told of this!

Luckily though I presume a lot of our sons skill helped - that D1 AD did his job and recommended our son for recruitment in spite of his HS coach keeping him and the numerous visits froma D1 rep all under the radar.

College AD even told us when we had a chance to finally meet him, that he was shocked this HS coach did not use the 3 different visits and perfect opportunities to promote and showcase one of his top players(our son)not only throughout his HS community to be proud of, but to the rest of the players who could have gained some incentive from knowing they were playing on a HS team where a D1 college had shown some interest over 3 different game reviews.

What kind of HS coach (any coach for that matter) intentionally overlooks the significance of a D1 representative visiting their school/their team
to recruit one of HIS players--not once, not twice but 3 different times in 3 different games?

PG with all due respect when you say a player needs to "deal with these kind of issues"-what suggestions can you provide that will help them to deal with this level or similar levels of incompetence from their coach?

It is easy to sit back and just say they must deal with it- how about some real world answers about how best to deal with it and I do hope your answer does not involve how they should just pay into the PG showcases for all the recognition they need.

I will already concede that is an option but it does not remedy how a HS kid, especially those with limited funds (already addressed here)with an expectation his HS coach won't sell him out or under sell him or IGNORE him completely - what that HS kid should do when a COLLEGE shows an interest in them when THEIR COACH did not have to lift a finger for it too happen-and THAT HS coach does nothing to help HIS player move on to the next level.

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Originally posted by PGStaff:
There are what 20,000 some high school head coaches? That's just at the varsity level.

That's a lot of coaches. It's not a high paying job. I'm afraid there will always be some bad ones.

That said, there are also high school coaches that are just as good as some of the coaches in professional baseball. In fact, there are a lot of great high school coaches. Unfortunately there are a lot of bad ones as well.

Players need to deal with these situations. For the most part complaining is just a waste of time.

I agree.


There are parents who know more than some HS coaches. Then again there are a lot more parents who think they know more, when in reality they only gripe about their kids lack of playing time.



My son has played for coaches at the lower levels who never even played the game, much less knew what they were doing. Much to my surprise we run across one of them now and again coaching a weak HS team. It is typically low paying, and many have other jobs at the school just to make ends meet. I do not envy them because of all the headaches they have. I've been a pitching coach, and have been asked to be a head coach for a travel team. They could not have payed me enough money to do it since my son was on the team. Sure I coached him as a pitcher, but it was not my decision when he played or not. Other dads do it just so their kid can play all the time, and that leads to nothing but problems. Eventually some of these same fathers wind up coaching at the school at some level, and may even become the varsity coach.



Conversely you have HS coaches who are better than some college and pro level coaches. They just choose to give back to the game locally, with no interest in money or as a stepping stone. To them they've been there and done that, so it is just for the sheer pleasure of helping young boys develop into better ball players.

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What kind of HS coach (any coach for that matter) intentionally overlooks the significance of a D1 representative visiting their school/their team
to recruit one of HIS players--not once, not twice but 3 different times in 3 different games?

Let me look at it from another direction. I'm not saying he was right or wrong..

But maybe he wasn't making a big deal out of it so that the AD could see the kid perform "normal." He could have been looking to protect the kid by not making a big issue out of it. This way the kid went out and played ball the same way that got him on the college radar in the first place. It didn't allow him to get nervous in front of the college scout.


There was an article in our local newspaper yesterday about the coaching stipends our high school coaches get. They take the base pay of a starting teacher (around $35k) and multiply it by a percentage depending on the number of years. Our varsity baseball coach makes around $2,000 for all of the work he puts in during a season and all summer, etc. This is a guy with 20 years of head coaching experience in this school. He also played DI baseball. Very good coach with a good amount of success. And makes next to NOTHING. Now this article highlighted that our local school district pays their coaches in all major sports SIGNIFICANTLY less than other area schools. Just one example of why some coaches are saying 'forget it.'

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But maybe he wasn't making a big deal out of it so that the AD could see the kid perform "normal."

Uh...really? Forget he never told my son HIS player of the visits...you overlooked how this coach told NO ONE-no other coaches, no players, not even US as his parents or any one in the school community of these visits?

I'll say it because you admit to being unable to say it- "IT WAS WRONG" (Period.)

As far as my son being able to play with such an onlooker. He hit only 3 home runs in 3 years of Varisty HS playing.

First one a 3 run hr in bottom of 7th to take game into extra innings (they ended up losing)

2nd one was go ahead run in top of 7th inning-they win by that 1 run-in same game he had 2 singles and a triple (just missed the cycle).

Last one was a 3 run walk off hr in bottom of 7th to clinch play-off spot. Previous inning he hit bases loaded triple-he essentially brought his team back from a 7 run deficit going into their at bats in 6th inning.

Every HR described was when he knew he had relatives visiting from out of state to see him play- some for the first time ever. Point being, he came through nary any nervousness whatsoever with those eyes on him so he would have cared less about some College AD with eyes on him.

BTW, it is not bragging if he did it and he did which is why I suppose he got to the level he is at minus any help from his HS coach.

Bulldog- how about some suggestion what you would do or expect your son to do, not if but when a HS coach absolutely, intentionally minimizes a players accomplishments?

Son was (still is in college) a scholar athlete, NHS, top 10% of his HS class in every sense of the word a role model student-athlete and still his HS coach did ZILCH to help him and did more to drag him down. I recognize this HS coaches level of incompetence is the exception rather than the rule. But for those who DO deal with this reality, what REAL suggestions can you, or others offer to players to help them get through it?

There are a lot of good coach in are area, but they are choosing leave because of two things 1) Daddy ball 2) Travel Ball.
As another poster stated that if daddy and/or mommy doesn't like the time the player gets on the field, they run to the office or the school board. Who wants to always be defending themselves for about what works out to be $5.00 per hour or less. They can start up a travel ball or work with one that already is up and running and if a parent or player causes problems they can ask them to find another team other than his.
We had one coach from are area that won their section for H.S. and a parent complained that it wasn't fair that his player didn't get enough play time and the coach was asked to explain to the board about why some players play more than others, luckly most of the other parents backed him up and he decided not to quit.

With so many high schools across the country you're going to find a lot of good and bad coaches. My son is fortunate to have a former collegiate player as coach. He was also groomed as an assistant in a top high school program. I've watched him grow into a very good coach. In the beginning he was leery of parents, and rightfully so given the program's history. He was not very communicative with his players. He had to learn balance in terms of communicating.

His team competed for the conference title in his second year (car accident ended short circuited a great season) and won it in his third. The team went furthest in school history into the post season. The previous coach had seventeen losing seasons in twenty years. The parents owned him.

My son really likes the coach. His lack of communication and intensity freaked him out a little as a sophomore. He was rough on my son as a soph. After the last game the coach smiled at him and said he expected to see a star next year. Junior year he figured out the coach and saw the humorous side in practice. Playing well can be very relaxing.

I have read articles some high school coaches are tired of the parental BS. They discover they can make more money instructing at an academy without all the grief.

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PG with all due respect when you say a player needs to "deal with these kind of issues"-what suggestions can you provide that will help them to deal with this level or similar levels of incompetence from their coach?

It is easy to sit back and just say they must deal with it- how about some real world answers about how best to deal with it and I do hope your answer does not involve how they should just pay into the PG showcases for all the recognition they need.

ne,

No suggestions other than to play hard each and every time out no matter who is in the crowd.

Yes, it is easy to sit back and say deal with it. There are thousands of players who have overcome that obsticle. Of course thousands of others fail because they didn't or couldn't deal with it. Do you think every major league player or even DI player had the luxery of great high school coaches?

I wouldn't want a player to pay PG anything if they suffered from excuse problems. If things didn't work out they would blame us. Your coach is not responsible for making you a good player or securing your future. We can't help everyone, save your money.

I can't see any reason why knowing a college coach was in attendance could make any difference in what that college coach ends up seeing. When I was a college coach I would watch many players without them knowing I was there. In fact, I prefered it that way. Good players are good players no matter who is watching.

So my suggestion is... Every time out, play like every scout and college coach in the country is watching you. If the incompetence of the coach makes you an incompetent player... You don't have what it takes! Take responsibility for your own actions! What else can you do?

So my suggestion is... Every time out, play like every scout and college coach in the country is watching you. If the incompetence of the coach makes you an incompetent player... You don't have what it takes! Take responsibility for your own actions!

[quote]No suggestions other than to play hard each and every time out no matter who is in the crowd.

Yes, it is easy to sit back and say deal with it. There are thousands of players who have overcome that obsticle. "
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PG you went from no suggestions to offering up exactly what I agree my son and thousands of other HS players have had to do when stuck with an inept HS coach-"play the game the way they know how and put up the numbers."

We will disagree wholeheartedly on the "its easy" part. It is never easy to watch and even more difficult to overcome that level of HS coaching incompetence. Which goes to the OP as to the ton of crud that is out there amongst the plentiful cream of HS coaches.

Credit my kid and the thousands that do deal with being able to learn -what don't break (kill) you will make you stronger- but it was not easy which I am sure I will be lead to believe I was suppose to see as the other valuable lesson this clueless HS coach intentionally set out to teach my son.

To be clear-PG is spot-on in his suggestion and he brings much more cred to this forum than I ever will thus- hearing it from him is sound advice.

P.S. and it never hurts to get your kid to a PG event and in fact, because of the lack of quality HS coaches-it might be the best advice!

This post is so well timed and accurate. I am currently having similar problems in what a lot have mentioned experiencing here. At 15 my son was playing on an 18u travel squad. At the beginning he was getting playing time here and there but in about 2 to 3 weeks he actually became one of the regular starters, however can hardly get playing time on his HS team. These coasches are unbelievable in their knowledge of the game or should I say lack there of. I sometimes wonder if there is a little jealousy that comes up because they see a kid headed for a level that they did not accomplish themselves. Only thing I can share is to teach your son to enjoy the experience of the game in and of itself. Whether they be playing or on the bench at the time. Cream always rises to the top and you never know who is watching. I have had conversations with D1 coaches that tell me they rarely take what the HS coaches say anyomre because of their own experiences with them. I have had D1 recruiters tell me they will see my boy on the travel team instead of the HS team because they don't like dealing with the coaches in my county. Don't allow the nonsense of one person to steal the joy that your son has for the game. Let him know that as long as he continues to work hard and have fun he will reach the goals that he looks to in life. And maybe one day he will have the chance to tell the HS coach like Michael Jordan did. "You made the wrong choice coach"

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I sometimes wonder if there is a little jealousy that comes up because they see a kid headed for a level that they did not accomplish themselves.

Yes, def a large part of what my son dealt with. In our situation same coach went out of his way to point out to anyone in the school community, players from same team gaining interest from D3 and D2 colleges - even hinted that D3 is where my son "might" be able to make a team. He overlooked son's game preparations, work ethic, productivity, his numbers and team contributions surpassed his pet player stats by a wide margin.

As you and others have said and we witnessed- good thing most college recruiters know not to put too much stock in HS coaches or even a HS season. Perhaps the very reason (need) for the abundant non HS season teams, tourneys (i.e East Cobb) and showcases available today that provide higher level evaluations and opps for recruiting.

As to the OP:
Legendary USC Baseball Coach, Rod Dedeaux concurs-

"Most players never reach their potential because of a lack of quality instruction rather than a lack of ability."

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And maybe one day he will have the chance to tell the HS coach like Michael Jordan did. "You made the wrong choice coach"

Michael Jordan played every year in high school and is a jerk for pushing his "I was cut from varsity" routine.

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He overlooked son's game preparations, work ethic, productivity, his numbers and team contributions surpassed his pet player stats by a wide margin

In line with PG - the visiting D1 AD did not overlook the above and it was what ultimately got son recruited. But were it not for some targeted marketing of son to D1 coaches we did, this college team never would have known son existed. Just did not appreciate having done the legwork to get colleges interested to then have HS coach ignore that interest came a calling (3X we know of) and it was real.

Which goes to need for parents to be proactive in recruiting stages and as is well covered in recruting threads-to not ever rely on HS coaches to get your kid to the next level.

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to not ever rely on HS coaches to get your kid to the next level.

Correction- to not ever rely "SOLELY" on HS coaches because I am sure there are plenty of college level and beyond players who got there because of their HS coaches.

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Originally posted by PGStaff:

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PG with all due respect when you say a player needs to "deal with these kind of issues"-what suggestions can you provide that will help them to deal with this level or similar levels of incompetence from their coach?

It is easy to sit back and just say they must deal with it- how about some real world answers about how best to deal with it and I do hope your answer does not involve how they should just pay into the PG showcases for all the recognition they need.

ne,

No suggestions other than to play hard each and every time out no matter who is in the crowd.

Yes, it is easy to sit back and say deal with it. There are thousands of players who have overcome that obsticle. Of course thousands of others fail because they didn't or couldn't deal with it. Do you think every major league player or even DI player had the luxery of great high school coaches?

I wouldn't want a player to pay PG anything if they suffered from excuse problems. If things didn't work out they would blame us. Your coach is not responsible for making you a good player or securing your future. We can't help everyone, save your money.

I can't see any reason why knowing a college coach was in attendance could make any difference in what that college coach ends up seeing. When I was a college coach I would watch many players without them knowing I was there. In fact, I prefered it that way. Good players are good players no matter who is watching.

So my suggestion is... Every time out, play like every scout and college coach in the country is watching you. If the incompetence of the coach makes you an incompetent player... You don't have what it takes! Take responsibility for your own actions! What else can you do?

The above is a great reply to copy and keep handy when one's player enters HS.
IMO, too many people think that it is the HS coaches job to prepare for the next level, some do but most don't.
Not one college coach that I am aware of came exclusively to watch son play, and FWIW, we couldn't have cared less whether they did if anyone told us or not.
It's very difficult for other parents to be sitting in the stands knowing that one player is getting lots of attention and others aren't, I think the coach did the right thing (not mentioning it). Who needs a parent in the stands telling everyone that guy from the D1 is here to see MY player.
Player and his parents need to deal with these issues.

JMO.

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He overlooked son's game preparations, work ethic, productivity, his numbers and team contributions surpassed his pet player stats by a wide margin

In line with PG - the visiting D1 AD did not overlook the above and it was what ultimately got son recruited. But were it not for some targeted marketing of son to D1 coaches we did, this college team never would have known son existed. Just did not appreciate having done the legwork to get colleges interested to then have HS coach ignore that interest came a calling (3X we know of) and it was real.

Which goes to need for parents to be proactive in recruiting stages and as is well covered in recruting threads-to not ever rely on HS coaches to get your kid to the next level.

I just saw this.
You seem to be pretty outspoken. I don't know the coach so have no clue whether your son's coach is how you portray him. However, mentioning that he didn't let anyone know tells me more about how he does things than you realize. Appears that you felt that your son deserved the attention from the 3 visits, I think I can understand why you all weren't told.

And there is absolutely NO reason why a school should alert anyone that XYZ is coming to see a particular player. If a player signs, then by all means go ahead and shout it out to the world.

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Perhaps the very reason (need) for the abundant non HS season teams, tourneys (i.e East Cobb) and showcases available today that provide higher level evaluations and opps for recruiting.

Or perhaps the fact that these teams have been built up the way they have is the reason good coaches have left the high school ranks. It's too much of a hassle to deal with parents who think their kid is the next Albert Pujols because this "select" team says he is going to be.

And there is absolutely NO reason why a school should alert anyone that XYZ is coming to see a particular player. If a player signs, then by all means go ahead and shout it out to the world.[/QUOTE]

You don't know is correct. Son already had the interest of this college from summer clinic he went to plus as noted, our follow up contacts and among other colleges, he had already had early acceptance letter from this college. Add he told his HS coach all about this and 2 other schools in Fall ball of his senior year.

Visiting AD never asked to be kept a secret and "thought" HS coach did or would have been more outspoken about his visits to see our son. Especially when he learned our son almost committed to a different college because he felt the AD's school lost interestin him.

As noted, he was shocked to find out later HS coach never said a word to our son, to anyone.

You can think there was some underlying justifiable reason why he would keep this to himself but per OP, these kind of coaches do exist. Making excuses for them or blaming parents who DID get their kids noticed in spite of a HS coach; does not belie the fact many HS coaches have their own personal agenda's that can prove detrimental to some players getting to the next level. That is the reality players are going to have to "deal with" and PG made great points in line with mine on how best to do that.

ne14bb- I don't believe it is very appropriate to come here, bash your son's high school coach, and then bash a poster who tries to outline the situation as a devil's advocate. Is your son's coach right or wrong? No one here can know because no one here knows the situation more than what you've outlined in your previous posts. No need to get defensive

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Originally posted by TPM:
You seem to be pretty outspoken.

That's funny.

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Originally posted by SultanofSwat:

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Originally posted by TPM:
You seem to be pretty outspoken.

That's funny.

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TPM Posts: 14716

That is funny? What have you contributed to this board lately that is meaningful and of some value? Tell me, clue me in, please. You think it's ok to bash a HS coach?

What I meant is that ne appears to be very angry.
Is he really all that angry just about not telling his son an AD made a visit from a school son was interested in? Since when do AD's recruit, can they do that? Did he visit during a dead or quiet period?

ne,
I am with JH, I also think it's unfair to bash anyone who is not here to defend themselves. Your son could have been in contact with coach and they could have been with him as well. Did the AD ask to let your son know he was coming? If your son was not a senior he couldn't talk to him anyway, could he have?

I am going to assume this is water under the bridge, am I correct, your son is playing college ball now?

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Originally posted by TPM:
That is funny? What have you contributed to this board lately that is meaningful and of some value? Tell me, clue me in, please.

Wow. Bitter doesn't become you.

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Originally posted by SultanofSwat:

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Originally posted by TPM:
That is funny? What have you contributed to this board lately that is meaningful and of some value? Tell me, clue me in, please.

Wow. Bitter doesn't become you.

Sorry, I didn't find your post humorous or of any value to the discussion. So what do you think? Do you think it's fair to coach bash here on the HSBBW? Do you think that the coach should have informed the player and parent that an AD was coming? Don't you think that the coach from the D1 could have called the player and told him the AD was coming? Why didn't he do that? Do you think that we know the entire story, Sultan what is your opinion on this? Do you think that ne has the right to be so upset that he should bash a coach here?

The exposure aspect of recruiting is not the responsibility of a player's high school coach. It is the responsibility of the player. PG's sentiment about playing hard and allowing yourself to be appealing to a college coach or professional scout is right on, but is not the only thing a player can do in order to put themself in a position they want to be in. If a player is interested in a school, why not keep in contact with the coach? Email him, call him, etc. Ask him when he's coming to watch you play, send him your schedule, etc. Why sit back and just wait for the coaches to come see you and hope they do? Put yourself in the best possible situation for YOU to be successful. No one in life is capable of making you happiest except you. No need to leave your future in the hands of someone else and have no control over it.

Also, another question for ne14bb. If all that you said was true, and the college coach/AD was THAT interested in your son, why wouldn't they just contact your son directly?

I am confused as to who was recruiting the player, the AD or the coach?

Why did an AD have to show up 3 times to see the player?

You are suggesting that your son's HS coach didn't do for your son because he was jealous?

Just seems that you have an axe to grind against the coach, as you posted negatively he suggested D3 for your son (what was wrong with that), overlooked him while he paid attention to his pet player.

What did you want him to do actually?

Where does your son play?

I have seen where a couple of people have asked why the coach or ad did not reach out to the player. Please remmber that NCAA rules leave a very small window of opportunity for a player to be contacted directly. That's part of the reason a coaches interaction and information is vital. If a player knows that a coach is interested that gives them time to contact the coach themselves. The coaches of these colleges are expecting the coaches of the high schools to pass the information to these players that they are interested so the player will take the initiative to contact. You cannot act on what you do not know.

If ne14bb's son was a senior in high school at the time of this occuring, then the coach had ample time to contact him. From July 1st of the summer previous to a student's senior year of high school and further, coaches are permitted to contact players. There is never a time prior to this date that a college coach cannot write, email or call a prospective recruit.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/co...+Recruiting+Calendar

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Also, another question for ne14bb. If all that you said was true, and the college coach/AD was THAT interested in your son, why wouldn't they just contact your son directly?

I addressed this and other things in different rants. AD was also a former HC of baseball he was sent as coaches were in middle of their own seasons. This AD also knew the area and had acquaintances in the area. The rest seems moot at this point.

To the original poster (OP), as I have learned, keep in mind when you come to this site that you are seeking feedback with a lot of current coaches and former coaches from all levels. Though I myself am going on 27 years of coaching also fit into that group though no more at HS level- it seems I broke some kind of protocol or code by daring to tell of real experiences my son and I dealt with from his now former HS coach.

If that kind of coach needs to be protected by the frat here then so be it. I went against the grain on the forum feedback and can handle the criticisms.

BTW, wife and ground our axe already. I was responding, call it re-grinding, to the OP about our experiences with coaches like he described.

My wife and I (both career teachers and coaches) with parent booster support, dealt directly with that coach, and his administration on this issue when it came to light as the season was drawing to a close. After he was tongue tied in a meeting we called prior to graduation where it would FINALLY be noted, to explain to his AD and Supt why they were never made aware my son was being sought after then recruited by this college- (while other players were so noted during season by coach) he was given a good tongue lashing by same. My son got his forced insincere apology from the coach as did we.

There is some agreement on here these kind of coaches exist as well as it is agreed there are plenty more coaches that go above and beyond for their players. Protecting and or somehow defending this type of coach as if he is some how connected to your respected frat or visits this site and could be a regular contributor leaves me chuckling.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I simply asked why, if your son had the skill set to be able to play at this particular school, did the coaching staff not contact him directly. I didn't question the AD coming or your motives coming here. I don't care what happened behind closed doors between you and the coach and I don't particularly care that the coach seemed unsympathetic to your son's self-proclaimed predicament. To me, you come off as just another whiny parent that tries to undermine a coach and his authority, right wrong or indifferent. If I were running a program and knew of a player with a parent who speaks out the way you have, I'd certainly have second thoughts welcoming that young man into my program.

And for the record, I don't know what "frat" you mentioned. I'm a college pitcher who despised my high school coach and went about things myself to get where I am. I shut up, played, and was happy with my result. I didn't need an apology or a school board to get back at my coach because it wasn't important to me.

why was the player or his family notcalled by the college coach, ad prior to the visit iknew evry time one of my sons was going tgo have a college coach come to see thrm play--- and thesame goes for the kids on our travel team also I do not know of too many ad's,if any who make recruiting trips such as described herein.

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And for the record, I don't know what "frat" you mentioned. I'm a college pitcher who despised my high school coach and went about things myself to get where I am. I shut up, played, and was happy with my result. I didn't need an apology or a school board to get back at my coach because it wasn't important to me.

Well put. There are some mediocre to bad high school coaches out there but if you have baseball ability you can get to a college of your choice without his assistance. If he tries to undermine your efforts, then recruiters can see right through the bull ****. My son talked with college pitching coaches and head coaches all the time and knew where he stood without the high school coach getting involved. I'd rather have it that way than be drinking buddies with the guy anyway. Credit where credit is due, at least your son doesn't have to tell anybody how he owes his success to the high school coach.

Hey, he could be headed for Iraq or Afghanistan. Now that's something to get upset about.

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Originally posted by ne14bb:
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To the original poster (OP), as I have learned, keep in mind when you come to this site that you are seeking feedback with a lot of current coaches and former coaches from all levels. Though I myself am going on 27 years of coaching also fit into that group though no more at HS level- it seems I broke some kind of protocol or code by daring to tell of real experiences my son and I dealt with from his now former HS coach.

If that kind of coach needs to be protected by the frat here then so be it. I went against the grain on the forum feedback and can handle the criticisms.

No one has really addressed the OP. I happen to agree with him, there are probably many coaches, at many different levels, that shouldn't be coaching, however his post wasn't as personal as yours. We are not protecting anyone.....however I have been here a very long time (why so many posts), usually one can tell the difference between when someone has a personal ax to grind and someone who genrally just needs to let off steam. What I think is that your son's coach didn't have the confidance in him that you think he should have, but hey, that happens very often, to many others, but as JH states, you do what you have to do and move forward and do not place blame on anyone for anything but yourself.

I too find it strange that the coach never contacted the player to tell him the AD was coming (he could, as the player was a senior). Coaches that really want players will find the time and ways to contact them, regardless of the time of year it is.

TR has been around a long time and if says he never heard of an AD coming to see a player (past coach or not) I beleive it.

BTW, where did your son end up?

Yep, there's lots of us bad hs coaches who don't throw a huge cake party every time there is a college AD at the ballpark.

I get it, he didn't promote your kid to your liking but it sounds like kids talent promoted himself just fine so it worked out fine. Good luck.

Hey everyone don't forget the frat function over at my apartment later tonite... It's going to really be rad!

I'm calling BS on this story....1st of all it's illegal for someone other than the 3 designated recruiting coaches to go out on official recruiting visits off-campus....if an AD is stupid enough to do that, then i'd question going there in the 1st place...2nd, if the college coach didn't call and say "we're coming to see you play" then maybe, just maybe he wasn't there to see your kid play....maybe his nephew is on the team, maybe he was bored, I don't know...after reading your posts, I find it obvious why the Coach didn't speak to you about this (or anything for that matter).

Give me a break...