What???

ballboy - There are others that can answer your question better than I can but I don't believe that the Mustangs are responsible for extending invitations to the Premier tournaments...it is a group of clubs across the nation that are affiliated....

here is the link to the Premier website..

www.premierbaseball.net

this is such a great thread...

AGNHERE- Mustangs have a great tradition, but havn't been to Farmington in a looooooooonnnggg time - and there is a reason.

And, the only reason DBAT did not go undefeated is because SC used pitcher "CR" who got the 2-1 Win, yet he never even played for the Mustangs this year, and that is a fact... he should of had to play in three league games to be allowed to go to post-season - and he didn't... was gone all summer to Vandy... but hey, cheaters never win...

after all, Mustangs didn't win when they showed up to State (a handful of years ago) with pitcher "T.McG" who everyone knew played for the Wizards all summer... same stuff, different year...

crime doesn't pay....

Talking to some of the Mustang players, Chase did play this summer. He pitch ran in three games to get his elegibility.


That's not cheating....heck, with this summer of rain, I know some other kids that had to pitch hit to get elegible.

Let's not allow friendly rivalries to turn into accusations that are meaningless in the larger scheme of things. The reputation of these organizations is not in question -- the season played out like many thought it would. Not too many were surprised to see these two teams in the finals once the Tigers qualified.

I wish DBAT Lowry had a chance to play Mustangs Carpenter....just because I think it would have been a great game.

Wow, I really haven't heard such anger about something like a youth baseball organization in my life.

My son plays for the 16U Mustangs and enjoys it. He plays with pride and has respect for his teammates, so much so that he doesn't ever really talk about leaving. He keeps asking me why I read this board...perhaps he is on to something.

I don't know why the summer leagues and tournaments are set up the way they are, but that is the way they are. He enjoys playing good teams, but he doesn't hate the Tigers, DBAT, Marshals or any others team. He knows players on those teams and has a respect for them.

I hope that either the Tigers or DBAT wins the Connie Mack WS championship because I believe Dallas/Ft. Worth has the best ball around.

Diablo, if you don't consider the Mustangs a threat, you should ignore them. Criticizing them only gives them credibility, and I know you don't want to do that.

Maybe this is something between the parents of the 18U kids, or maybe the comments are designed to invoke a similar response, but there certainly is some definite venom behind them.

Oh well, Good luck to DBAT and Tigers!

Good baseball is good... yes, very nice.

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Talking to some of the Mustang players, Chase did play this summer. He pitch ran in three games to get his elegibility.


That's not cheating....heck, with this summer of rain, I know some other kids that had to pitch hit to get elegible.

KD:
True statement

By the way.....what is pitch hit?

Funny the reactions caused by this message board -- probably the source of another topic. My son's friends call me PantherDad, but no one admits to reading the site. Our kids think it's silly but their teammates participate. Others make this a part of their lives -- an inexpensive hobby. From my perspective, if you can brush aside the stuff (most other words would have been censored), it's still a good source of information. Scores, recaps, dynamics, and even occasional shenanigans that would not be reported elsewhere. You can get down by down stats on the newspaper sites when it comes to that other Texas sport.....little coverage for baseball, especially summer stuff.

We're not perfect -- many aren't even close -- but I think the site has become somewhat of a phenomenon.

If the kid pinch ran in 3 games -- that's genius.

yeah... CR came back from summer classes to pinch - or PITCH - run three times, instead of pitching a game? Ok.

The original "pitch" was on purpose, the latter was a mistake.

And it follows the rules, so it's not cheating.

To tell you the truth, we didn't know what he would bring to the table having not played all summer. "We" being the fans in the stands. What "we" saw was a great performance by a young man.

Can you pinch coach?

Come to think of it........I.........

1. Got a foul ball one game.

2. Brought the orange slices and gatorade one game.

3. Relayed the radar gun reading to the dugout from some dad in the stands one game...........

Come on Kermit...........

Being a DBAT groupie ain't no fun........

I want a uniform..

Chase Reid pitched for the Mustangs early in the season in a league game. He appeared in a few others before he went to summer school.

I am fairly certain that another "name" team in the tournament had a LHP on their roster from out of state, so I don't see a big difference. I guess the difference is that Chase showed up to help his team.

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I am fairly certain that another "name" team in the tournament had a LHP on their roster from out of state, so I don't see a big difference.

I can't speak on the particular incident because I don't know any facts.............

But living out of state does not put any player or team at risk of eligibilty if it is done correctly by AABC rules.

I will repeat myself. Premier is made up a group of teams that do it the right way.

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AGNHERE- Mustangs have a great tradition, but havn't been to Farmington in a looooooooonnnggg time - and there is a reason

What's a long time? I know they went in 2001 and they went at least one other time this decade I beleive 2003. That's not very long ago. Then i think premier came along. Also, remember before they put in this WS Qualifer and regional Qualifier, no one else from this area ever went to Farmington except the Mustangs (No DBAT, no Tigers, no LH.) Everyone else got to start going when the regional got watered down. Take this year for example, this was a 10 team tournament. There were at least 3 teams that didn't belong in the regional. That means it was basically a 7 team tournament. Of those 7 teams, 2 were 17 year old teams. That would have never happened if the other teams weren't either qualified or doing premier. So now we've made it a 5 team tournament. Of those 5 teams, one was the third best team from their city, other two were doing premier. So really it was a 4 team tournament. Of those 4 teams, two had way more talent that the other two, not to pick on or take anything away from the other any teams, but they did. So really it was a two team tournament!!!!!

It's just not WHAT???? it once was. That was the topic right.

Good luck in Farmington. It won't be watered down

There are some good non-Premier teams in Texas (Tigers & DBAT come to mind, although some Tigers teams have participated in Premier tourneys).

However, anyone who dismisses the Premier teams has never seen the Houston Heat or Kyle Chapman play. And the Columbia Angels and South Texas Sliders have fielded some pretty good teams at times, although perhaps not with the regularity of the Heat & KC.

There is more than one venue for high school select ball. Time to accept it & move on. The deceased horse is offically declared glue...

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Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:

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I am fairly certain that another "name" team in the tournament had a LHP on their roster from out of state, so I don't see a big difference.

I can't speak on the particular incident because I don't know any facts.............

But living out of state does not put any player or team at risk of eligibilty if it is done correctly by AABC rules.

The Chicken Rancher, as the guys call him, played for his team for more than the required games.

When my son was recruited to play for the Red, White and Blue a few years ago, nothing was mentioned of Premiere, it was all about going to Farmington and the history the team had with that tournament.

If Premiere is the be all end all, why even play in the Regional? Why go through the motions and host the regional?

I don't remember anyone dismissing the Houston Heat or Kyle Chapman or the Mustangs. This is a silly discussion fueled by silly comments by one particular Mustang parent or fan.

Since the Mustangs would not have gone to Farmington this year, even without a World Series Qualifier, the argument makes little sense. It doesn't matter if it's a 20-team event or a 2-team event as long as the best teams enter. The regional participants are state winners -- the Mustangs played in state as well. There were 3 17 yr old state winners in this region (not 2) -- but the number of state tournaments is based on the number of qualified AABC teams. And since a 17 yr old team won the Regional Qualifier last year (WITH the Mustangs and Tigers there), it seems odd to dismiss the younger teams.

Premier is providing many teams with excellent opportunities. But no one is claiming that the year-end Premier event rivals the CMWS, are they?

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Originally posted by KellerDad:

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Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:

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I am fairly certain that another "name" team in the tournament had a LHP on their roster from out of state, so I don't see a big difference.

I can't speak on the particular incident because I don't know any facts.............

But living out of state does not put any player or team at risk of eligibilty if it is done correctly by AABC rules.

The Chicken Rancher, as the guys call him, played for his team for more than the required games.

KD, If it is the LHP from VA.
I didn't think he threw in the state or Regional tournament. It was said that he might have been the starter in the championship game, but we know that was not the case.

probably b/c the preimier WS is already over when the regional begins. I think SC will probably always do Connie Mack. KellerDad I hope you get to go to Farmington and see what its about. SC is a legend there, more prople will be asking you about him than they will be asking about your team. That's when you know you've done things the right way.

Premier is not to be all end all, but it makes this regional really weak. That's all.

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Originally posted by thats-a-balk!:

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Originally posted by KellerDad:

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Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:

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I am fairly certain that another "name" team in the tournament had a LHP on their roster from out of state, so I don't see a big difference.

I can't speak on the particular incident because I don't know any facts.............

But living out of state does not put any player or team at risk of eligibilty if it is done correctly by AABC rules.

The Chicken Rancher, as the guys call him, played for his team for more than the required games.

KD, If it is the LHP from VA.
I didn't think he threw in the state or Regional tournament. It was said that he might have been the starter in the championship game, but we know that was not the case.

There were a number of pitchers that didn't pitch at State, and a few that didn't pitch at Regionals....doesn't mean they aren't elegible to play in Farmington.

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Originally posted by Panther Dad:
This is a silly discussion fueled by silly comments by one particular Mustang parent or fan.

It appears to me that it is a Mustang player rather than a parent or fan ...

We have all been 18 and said or did things we later wished we had not...let's cut him some slack and move on...

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Originally posted by cheapseats:

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Originally posted by Panther Dad:
This is a silly discussion fueled by silly comments by one particular Mustang parent or fan.

It appears to me that it is a Mustang player not a parent or fan ...

We have all been 18 and said or did things we later wished we had not...let's cut him some slack and move on...

Cheapseats,

Great in theory, but if you think anyone this board will cut any Mustang parent, player or fan slack, you are dreaming...the hatred runs too deep.

Texan - nice to see you back....I haven't seen you in the Texas forum as much lately.

I guess you missed my point KD which was he was not needed at either tournament.
And yes, I agree, he is elegible.

For the record, I have no hatred towards the Mustangs, their players, parents, or fans.

agsnhere -- which team would be headed to Farmington with a stronger region? Without saying it, you're indicating that the best team did not win.

P.S. I think the fuel on the fire was added by a honorary CMWS coach and former MLB catcher.

Though some of his comments regarding Premier and the Mustangs were later edited some of us saw his original comments.

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Originally posted by cheapseats:
P.S. I think the fuel on the fire was added by a honorary CMWS coach and former MLB catcher.

.....and former MLB bullpen catcher.

former MLB catcher ????? who is that i don't think you have all the facts right on that one

are you talking about the MLB bullpen catcher who could win the base throwing contest?

ags - The one that is renting the RV for Farmington....

PD not saying that this region is now a weak region compared to what it used to be. that's all

I'm just glad the DBAT dad's get to go to Farmington. They are one classy bunch!!!

congrats to your sons

Chase Reid did pitch in three games this summer prior to the regional

we know. SC would never try to cheat. That's what cheaters do, they try to catch someone else cheating.

I am not wanting to get drawn into some of the misinformed ramblings that are doing nothing but embarrasing certain teams in this thread but I do want to mention that when I started coaching at the Connie Mack level in 1995 the brass ring was the CMWS and it still is today.

Sam has no doubt paved the way for Dallas baseball and the success of the mid-90s Mustangs is incredible for those of us that can recall it. North Texas baseball has grown at an incredible rate over the last decade and that has changed the 18u game from a couple of dozen teams then to nearer 100 teams/clubs now. The game changes and we change with it.

DBAT/Dallas Knights have been to seven consecutive AABC South Plains Regional Tournaments and the only other team to be at each and every one of those was the Mustangs. Every year is as tough as the last and I can bear witness that this year's Regional was just as difficult to get through as any of the others.

Faces change, teams change but it's no surprise that the better teams tend to gravitate toward each other.....BBI Premier, Premier, CMWS & Regional qualifiers, Elite Metro Tourney, PG, etc. It's also been said here many times by different pople that we all have a respect for each other and there is not anything close to the hostility that I sometimes see here.

Having said all of that, IMO there is nothing more prestigious than the CMWS and that's why we keep trying to get there and always will.

I've been fortunate enough to have been a part of many league and tournament championships, seen my players get scholarships and be drafted, had teams in two different clubs that I was associated with win the MMWS.....and I can honestly say there was no more exciting and gratifying moment than watching our kids dogpile last weekend knowing they are headed to Farmington.

Out of the many that I can still recall before senility starts to creep in -- that one is a moment I'll always cherish.

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Originally posted by agsnhere:
KellerDad I hope you get to go to Farmington and see what its about. SC is a legend there, more prople will be asking you about him than they will be asking about your team.

I have talked to no less than a dozen different representatives from Farmington and AABC over the last 72 hours and the person they all keep asking about is my good friend Rusty Hill. Apparently he has made quite the impression over these past two years.

I have no doubt that the one they will ask about in the future will be JAFO!

So being a weak region compared to what it used to be.... how does that speak to the teams that are not going to Farmington (In the now weaker AABC Regional....)

Are you serious?

So when it was a strong region the elite team was winnning it every year, and now that it's a weak region they're not.

Isn't there something wrong with that?

I've cracked the code........

agsnhere = SC......

and

Ken Guthrie = Ken Guthrie

imagine that.