When should a post be deleted and all the responses?

Can you say "axe to grind?"

No axe to grind, just parents and the baseball community to inform.

Mr. New Jersey ha-ha

I personally know Rusty and if there are Dbat parents saying that they have not had any coaching this summer then their kids are uncoachable (not a word but sounds good). I got the opportunity to speak to 3 Dbat parents 2 days ago and they were extremely happy with Rusty. You are hiding one of two things. Either your kid is one of the uncoachables or you are a ****ed off Frozen Ropes parent.

By the way Dbat only has 2 pick up players and the one that pitched tonight has been a Dbat kid for 3 years (at least) and the other has not played an inning this whole tournament. Everyone on this board knows I am also a Tiger fan but they have 4 pick up players and 3 started tonight for them. (3 of 4 pick ups are Dbat 18 kids). At this point in the game none of this matters. If a kid is not getting the attention from the scouts then he is probably not preformed.

OK BabeballMax - I'll give you my thoughts. Pick up players should be kept to a minimum. Play with those that got you there. I wouldn't pick up 4 players like the Tigers did as I don't think it sends the right message to the kids that played for you all summer. They gave you their commitment in both time and money and it should be reciprocated.

However, if you do make the decision to pick up a player he should play. Why else would you pick him up?

Next, if a scout asks about a specific player the conversation should be about that player. The coach should give an honest assessment of the players work ethic, skill level, etc. Not doing so will cost the coach credibility and hurt future players the scout asks about. Another rule I always had when I was coaching was that I never mentioned a player to a scout when he asked about our players if the player was not at that particular game.

On one occasion, we had a marginal player that decided to go to a juco tryout instead of attending a league doubleheader. Just so happened that we had a new juco coach attend our DH specifically to watch our team. He had cleaned house and needed to sign 15 guys in about a month. He offered multiple players from our team and one ended up getting a scholly. There were 100+ kids at the tryout with less than 5 asked to workout further. The kid missed out on one of his best opportunities to be seen.

Amateur baseball is now a business so people will promote their brand as you say. Not sure that is any different than any other business. They should still promote the kids that play for them. I think the real question should be is the structure of youth baseball today better than in the past. You could probably argue both sides. My personal opinion is there are some **** good ball players being priced out of the game.

Good night and good luck to all of the Dallas teams still playing for a ticket to Farmington.

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Originally posted by Newscout:
Mr. New Jersey ha-ha

I personally know Rusty and if there are Dbat parents saying that they have not had any coaching this summer then their kids are uncoachable (not a word but sounds good). I got the opportunity to speak to 3 Dbat parents 2 days ago and they were extremely happy with Rusty. You are hiding one of two things. Either your kid is one of the uncoachables or you are a ****ed off Frozen Ropes parent.

By the way Dbat only has 2 pick up players and the one that pitched tonight has been a Dbat kid for 3 years (at least) and the other has not played an inning this whole tournament. Everyone on this board knows I am also a Tiger fan but they have 4 pick up players and 3 started tonight for them. (3 of 4 pick ups are Dbat 18 kids). At this point in the game none of this matters. If a kid is not getting the attention from the scouts then he is probably not preformed.

Actually, I'm a born and rised in Texas, living in NJ on a relo.

No, not a parent connected to FR.

As for the coaches and coaching, only getting that information second hand except that I heard the coaches tell a Scout in Atlanta that they didn't know their rotation or starting line-up before games so they couldn't tell him who would play in the next game. As for pitching, good coaches talk to their pitchers and let them know how and when they might be used so they can prepare thier arms. Position players need to know why they have gone from starting to sitting. I have heard of other examples but not personally so I'll leave those out for now.

The other player added to the roster for post season play was added for the last tournament, he did pitch in that tournament.

As for the Tigers, I heard they had some injuries but either some one with knowledge of that team would need to speak to their additions.

You are right, if a kid isn't getting noticed then maybe they aren't performing up to the level they need to be but in all situations it is the ball clubs job to talk to those kids and help them improve their performances. Of coarse they still need to play inorder to show that improvement. Also let's not forget that 100% of these kids are All District or very high level large school players that have skins on the walk, thses aren't Pony League players.

As for you Newscout, parents won't opennly say what the think or feel until after all these kids get signed but beleive me there are a lot or unhappy parents and players. But your post makes me think you read the original post, did you?

If so, do you think it should have been deleted?

SG28, thanks you for the feed back and response I hope to see more open and honest posts to keep the topic moving on about this being an open Forum.

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Originally posted by Sgray28:


I think the real question should be is the structure of youth baseball today better than in the past. You could probably argue both sides. My personal opinion is there are some **** good ball players being priced out of the game.

I don't know who you are, but I'd like to give you a hug right now.

Ken - Along with my father, we used to coach the Arlington Travelers from 1986 - 2003. I have read some of your posts in the past and think we see things pretty much the same way.

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Originally posted by Sgray28:
Ken - Along with my father, we used to coach the Arlington Travelers from 1986 - 2003. I have read some of your posts in the past and think we see things pretty much the same way.

I remember the Travelers well.

Bseball Max,

I find it interesting that you brush aside the fact that the Tigers have completely re-vamped their infield with pick-up players, referencing some vague injury problem. Who is injured and how severe are the injuries? There is a real possibility that a DBAT 18 pick up pitcher could eliminate the DBAT 17's. Does that sound like a good deal to you?

Yet the DBAT 17's pick up a DBAT 18 pitcher and one other arm that has yet to play in the Regional.

Every kid on the DBAT team has had numerous opportunities to shine in front of scouts and recruiters. If they didn't, I am sorry, but you can't blame the coaches or organizers.

The coaches have done a tremendous job of getting every player playing time all summer, but the AABC Regional tournament is the final event of the summer for all but one team, and every team is there to win it; therefore, the rotation gets a little smaller, both on the mound and in the field.

It's character building. I know of players and been associated with players on both ends of the spectrum. I see both sides and can only add one comment.

Pick up players are to better the team. It is a system. If you want to work in that system you must adapt. If you don't then you are with the wrong team. At this time of year the premium is set on winning. You have to make the best of your opportunities. As stated earlier in this post you have to perform when given the opportunity. I have seen player after player that has someone come and watch them and it's an 0'fer night with 2 errors or it’s a 3 for 4 night with an amazing defensive effort or it’s a 5 run 1st inning with the curve ball not breaking or 2 walks and 15 ks in 7 innings. Bottom line is everyday is a tryout. If you think otherwise you are extremely naive.

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I find it interesting that you brush aside the fact that the Tigers have completely re-vamped their infield with pick-up players, referencing some vague injury problem. Who is injured and how severe are the injuries?

How has there infield changed?

Nowell at 1st, Files at 3rd, Lipka at SS.

With no offense intended -- why on earth would they play Files at 3rd?

Gotta hide that bat somewhere.

I personally don't love the pick up player deal, but it is what it is and everyone does it.

I was addressing the issue above where BaseballMax took issue with DBAT picking up a couple of arms, but seemed to ignore other teams doing it.

Tychco,


*I was addressing the issue above where BaseballMax took issue with DBAT picking up a couple of arms, but seemed to ignore other teams doing it*.


Why: Because his son is a D-BAT pitcher that outing after outing has SH*T the bed. Gotta love those IP addresses.

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Originally posted by tychco:
but it is what it is and everyone does it.

I hope I never give in to anything in life justifying it with the statement above.

If you don't like something, do your best to change it.

Not giving into it...my kid happens to play on the team. I would have been happy for the team to go into the Regional with the guys that have been on the team from the get-go.

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Originally posted by tychco:
Not giving into it...my kid happens to play on the team. I would have been happy for the team to go into the Regional with the guys that have been on the team from the get-go.

I realize that and I should have stated that.

I was just commenting on the quote in vague suggesting things that don't seem right can change.

Sometimes the situation ain't worth the battle, but too many things in life are given into because "everybody does it".

I had my 10 year old nephew last night hack the system and he said, Uncle SWAC that IP address is not orginating out of New Jersey but here in Texas; right here in the METROPLEX. He said that reading the post the poster knows to close the people involved and when who pitched last and overheard the coaches in Atlanta telling someone we don't know when a certain pitcher will pitch. My nephew went on to say, why would someone in NJ give a rats behind about what is going on in Texas, especially with DBAT? He said because they are from Texas and want to take a shot. I said nephew, the discussion is about "when should a post be deleted and all the responses." He said, lets change the topic to, "if you have an issue then don't hide behind an alias."

You have to love the insight of a 10 year old.

Go ahead check my IP. I dare you.

JAFO, you are on a roll. Watch out I might get the 5 year old nephew to check. Can you believe this is over a pickup player which both have played with the organization both present and in the past.

It's just unbelievable. but you run into all types. You are officially looking at the selfish side of baseball. As Ken would say, the team concept is slowly giving into the me, me, me generation.

It's like a bad nightmare, it just gets worse and worse.

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Originally posted by JAFO:
As Ken would say, the team concept is slowly giving into the me, me, me generation.

Some bury their heads in the sand...

But when the going gets tough, the tough starts showing.

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Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:

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Originally posted by tychco:
Not giving into it...my kid happens to play on the team. I would have been happy for the team to go into the Regional with the guys that have been on the team from the get-go.

I realize that and I should have stated that.

I was just commenting on the quote in vague suggesting things that don't seem right can change.

Sometimes the situation ain't worth the battle, but too many things in life are given into because "everybody does it".

No sweat and I knew what you meant. I just wanted to get out there that, while the system has evolved into what it is, tychcokid-1 would have been cool with his guys that have played all summer rolling into the regional and seeing what happens.

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Originally posted by tychco:

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Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:

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Originally posted by tychco:
Not giving into it...my kid happens to play on the team. I would have been happy for the team to go into the Regional with the guys that have been on the team from the get-go.

I realize that and I should have stated that.

I was just commenting on the quote in vague suggesting things that don't seem right can change.

Sometimes the situation ain't worth the battle, but too many things in life are given into because "everybody does it".

No sweat and I knew what you meant. I just wanted to get out there that, while the system has evolved into what it is, tychcokid-1 would have been cool with his guys that have played all summer rolling into the regional and seeing what happens.

Good point and most players would feel the same way about the team they went to war with all season long.

On a side note, picking up an arm or two is generally necessary.

As a coach, I always felt it was important to reward the players, regardless of summer performance, a chance to participate in post season if opportunity called. As those that were the team shall remain the team.

But, those that are familiar with AABC tournament structure, most teams don't carry the arms through the summer to get you through the tournament without risking health.

It was very difficult as a coach counting on an arm that showed to be unproductive all summer long.

With this, every coach out there has at least an ounce of competitive nature.

So the dificult decision is to throw an arm that has been with the team yet showed unpredictability, or throw a pick up pitcher knowing his more successful performances.

Would DBAT's #8 pitcher suit well against Mustangs pick up pitcher from Austin? Most likely not.

Which takes us back to "everybody does it".

So as a coach and organization what decision do you make?

This is where you find out what organizations are all about.

Not blaming organizations and the paths they take.

But reflecting on my past experiences, I'd rather be done with the kids that got us there than triumph with unattached late editions.

It's a tough decision...

But keeping what's really important about amatuer sports...

The decision can often be made easy.

And with a whole different circumstance comes the player that is awarded a position on a team that isn't necessarily warranted in regards to talent level. Suggesting a player in this circumstance should feel lucky to have been involved in his limited capacity to begin with.

And those who say coaching is easy...

I don't have a problem with the discussion of guest players -- it is not a new discussion. And I don't see anything wrong with the following post....

"To Metroplex parents: I am Joe Padink and my son plays for the evil blue empire. Please feel free to contact me if you would like to discuss this organization and our experiences."

HOWEVER, I think the best approach is to sit down with the team's GM, coach, and Cade to discuss issues. Cade is a fair man -- he will help your son if it is within his power to do so and if your son merits such help.

Does everyone have to quote previous posts??? It drives swingdoc crazy and takes valuable server space. Thanks!

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Does everyone have to quote previous posts??? It drive swingdoc crazy and takes valuable server space. Thanks!

I can get a sponsor or two to kick in a few extra buck to purchase more server space if it's that bad.

I pay just a bit over $100 per year total for a site and I couldn't imagine ever running out of server space.

Apparently you don't pay a ton of attention to the posts concerning the costs of this site in the general forum -- and that's ok -- there wouldn't be much for you to argue with there. I don't own the site or pay for it. I'm just trying to be green.



With that said....4700+ of my posts are useless space and......the site would welcome your sponsors!

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Originally posted by Panther Dad:


With that said....4700+ of my posts are useless space and......the site would welcome your sponsors!

Cool, I'll get the evil blue to kick in another Benji for some space to carry quotes.

Of course, that's as long as I can continue to "argue".

Do these...... take up much space?

Ken, your arguing is fine. It is the dog gone pontification about the state of baseball that bores me to tears.

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pontification

pon·tif·i·cate

Definition:

1. speak pompously: to speak about something in a knowing and self-important way, especially when not qualified to do so

vs.


frus·tra·tion

Definition:

1. dissatisfaction: a feeling of disappointment, exasperation, or weariness caused by goals being thwarted or desires unsatisfied


I would propose the later is the proper use of noun or verb in the present tense.

I would also question the qualifications necessary in regards to the primary definition.

So you pontificate out of frustration?

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Originally posted by Bighit15:
So you pontificate out of frustration?

Please refresh comprehesion skills.

Frustration would replace pontifcation as did the emancipation proclamation.

You don't want none of this Bigboy.

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Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:

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Originally posted by Bighit15:
So you pontificate out of frustration?

Please refresh comprehesion skills.

Frustration would replace pontifcation as did the emancipation proclamation.

You don't want none of this Bigboy.

I'm suddenly reminded of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QsEMSVdedc

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Baseballmax, read the board manners. If you want to grind an axe, pm the poster. Outright flaming is against the rules here. I will remind you that this is a hobby site and you are not free to say whatever you want. It is up to the owner and the moderators to decide what is appropriate on this site. Your positive contributions are valued, but posts such as these cause animosity and will continue to be deleted.

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Originally posted by BaseballMax:
Post deleted by Bighit15.

Baseballmax, read the board manners. If you want to grind an axe, pm the poster. Outright flaming is against the rules here. I will remind you that this is a hobby site and you are not free to say whatever you want. It is up to the owner and the moderators to decide what is appropriate on this site. Your positive contributions are valued, but posts such as these cause animosity and will continue to be deleted.

Max, why the hatred? It feels like you have been jilted at some point in your life and now find it appropriate to lash out. In the last few minutes, you have found it necessary on separate discussion boards, to bash DBat and those who run the show.

You condem them by saying they are promoting themselves and the BRAND, yet you throw in the line about Rutgers having good baseball as well. Not sure if that was a joke of some kind, but could there have been a bit of promotion in that point?

You talk about winning and losing, but for some reason losing is ok because you do it as a team. Not sure what the point is there, and surely you have been around the block more times than your comment suggests...

This is a discussion/opinion board, with SOME facts peppered in. Nothing can be written without some level of promotion contained within it. Every organization, team, player and parent has some great qualities and some not so great ones. As a society we spend too much time looking for the bad, and not nearly enough time touting the good. Once in a while an article, comment or hsbaseball web post comes along with some good comments, perhaps with a few "look at me's", only to have someone search out the negative.

I would hope that if there were a great 'something' that happened to your team/organization, you could post it here, saying "wow, you should have seen this game that we won" and others would say 'great job'. Unfortunately, too many times the opposite comes out, negating the intended greatness of the post.

See you at the ballfield.

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Would DBAT's #8 pitcher suit well against Mustangs pick up pitcher from Austin? Most likely not.

Hey Ken,

DBAT'S #8 pitcher did ok last year against the Mustangs in the South Plains championship game.
I think they made it to Farmington.

Sorry, just reminiscing.