@RoadRunner posted:How do you line up a new home without first going into the portal and notifying current coach?
What PitchingFan said
@adbono posted:I clearly said “unless you have no other option “
no worries. Many in the portal do not have a new home lined up and have the option to come back next fall with existing team and roll the dice. My son still has the option to come back next fall with team and he is still enrolled there.
either way you are rolling the dice.
@adbono posted:Sure there are. It just takes the right person to approach them with it. And a RC is usually more accessible than a HC but not always.
No. I don't believe that. It's the rare coach that's going to get involved with that kind of cheating, especially for a marginal player. Maybe if you're a flat out stud you'll find it possible. However, if that's the case, you didn't need to find a home before entering the portal - they'll fight for you after you enter.
@roothog66 posted:No. I don't believe that. It's the rare coach that's going to get involved with that kind of cheating, especially for a marginal player. Maybe if you're a flat out stud you'll find it possible. However, if that's the case, you didn't need to find a home before entering the portal - they'll fight for you after you enter.
Believe whatever you want. That’s pretty common around here.
@12changeup posted:no worries. Many in the portal do not have a new home lined up and have the option to come back next fall with existing team and roll the dice. My son still has the option to come back next fall with team and he is still enrolled there.
either way you are rolling the dice.
If your son still has the option of returning to his current program he is one of the very fortunate few. Hope it works out one way or the other.
@roothog66 posted:Really? You know this how, exactly? You can point to numerous coaches committing acts that could cost them their jobs for a chance at marginal players through the portal?
I know this because I’m active enough in college baseball to know a lot of coaches - and I talk with them enough to know what’s going on.
@roothog66 posted:Really? You know this how, exactly? You can point to numerous coaches committing acts that could cost them their jobs for a chance at marginal players through the portal?
My son has been told by several players that their coach said to tell him they would love to have him This is more than one team so I don’t think it’s uncommon. We were also contacted by a program fundraiser to let us know there was interest. It may not be direct coach contact but it’s a work around. My son isn’t in the portal.
Our high school coach asked a parent to tell four great travel players they’d play varsity if they applied to his school. All four did. And all four played varsity as freshmen.
Very good thread. Informative.
Here is some information that I've compiled from the 2020 Transfer Portal.
Additional information includes as of their 2020:
Player's Position
Player's Graduation Class
Player's 2021 team
Total Players was ~1275
Total Players listed on 2021 rosters (979)
NCAA-D1 -> 480
NCAA-D2 -> 170
NCAA-D3 -> 38
NAIA -> 69
JUCO 2021 reconciliation is work in progress, below are some initial numbers
NJCAA-D1 -> 160
NJCAA-D2 -> 37
NJCAA-D3 -> 6
CCCAA -> 16
NWAC -> 3
Uncommitted -> 295
@CollegebaseballInsights posted:Very good thread. Informative.
Here is some information that I've compiled from the 2020 Transfer Portal.
Additional information includes as of their 2020:
Player's Position
Player's Graduation Class
Player's 2021 team
Total Players was ~1275
Total Players listed on 2021 rosters (979)
NCAA-D1 -> 480
NCAA-D2 -> 170
NCAA-D3 -> 38
NAIA -> 69
JUCO 2021 reconciliation is work in progress, below are some initial numbers
NJCAA-D1 -> 160
NJCAA-D2 -> 37
NJCAA-D3 -> 6
CCCAA -> 16
NWAC -> 3
Uncommitted -> 295
I think I need more coffee...and an explanation. Are you saying that in 2020 1275players were looking for a roster spot and 979 of them found one? That's actually higher than I would expect.
@LousyLefty posted:I think I need more coffee...and an explanation. Are you saying that in 2020 1275players were looking for a roster spot and 979 of them found one? That's actually higher than I would expect.
It is that simple. Remember there was no roster limits. It seems I removed the pdf from my original post.
Please see attachment.
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@LousyLefty posted:I think I need more coffee...and an explanation. Are you saying that in 2020 1275players were looking for a roster spot and 979 of them found one? That's actually higher than I would expect.
Note, schools tagged in red means they are not on the roster.
Hey CBI, that's a great post. Thanks.
This is the first time I've seen that level of detail on the player positions and their landing schools.
SEC Transfer Portal as of 7/1/2021
Copied from another friend on another site.
Alabama
Myles Austin
Connor Shamblin
TJ Reeves
Will Patota
Arkansas
Bryce Matthews
Michael Brooks
Jack Cobb
Nate Wohlgemuth
Jacob Burton
Blake Adams
Cason Tollett
Caleb Bolden
Auburn
Carter Frederick
John Ceccoli
Florida
Mark Roberts
Chase Centala
Hunter Mink
Cory Acton
Brock Edge
Jordan Butler
Ben Specht
Jordan Carrion
Ryan Cabarcas
Georgia
Caleb Ketchup
Brandon Smith
Kentucky
Cam Hill
Ron Cole
James Ramsey
Drew Grace
Jonathan Hicks
Cole Daniels
Dillon Marsh
Brendan Hord
Chase Bryan
Coltyn Kessler
Jimmie Lockhart
LSU
Maurice Hampton
Brandon Kaminer
Maurice Hampton
Zach Arnold
Collin Rice
Theo Millas
Mississippi State
Jack Eagan
Jared Shemper
Landon Jordan
Steven Lewis
Austin Reed
Devin Sweeney
Davis Rokose
Jaxen Forrester
Dylan Carmouche
Eric Cerantola
Josh Hatcher
Xavier Lovett
Brandon Pimentel
Kace Garnere
Missouri
Will Fricker
Paul Winland
Chad McDaniel
Gabe Nutter
Caden Griffin
Trey Dillard
Steven Sanchez
Cam Swanger
Alex Peterson
Mark Vierling
Jackson Lancaster
Cam Pferrer
Jared Simpson
Seth Halvorsen
Andrew Vail
Josh Holt
Brandt Belk
Konnor Ash
Ole Miss
Ben Gilbert
Luke Baker
Hudson Sapp
Jake Payne
Trey LaFleur
Cade Sammons
Cael Baker
South Carolina
Dylan Harley
Josh Shuler
Mag Cotto
Travis Luensmann
Brandon Fields
Sam Swygert
Nick Dagnello
Mike Robinson
Noah Myers
Jeff Heinrich
Brennan Milone
David Mendham
Tennessee
Brayden Osborne
Caden Elliott
Connor Housley
Charez Butcher
Colin Ahearn
Texas A&M
Logan Sartori
Logan Britt
Cam Blake
Ty Coleman
Bryan Sturges
Tommy Vincent
Gabe Craig
Kobe Andrade
Kimble Schuessler
Mason Ornelas
Zane Schmidt
Vanderbilt
Chris Pittaro
Matt Hogan
Will Duff
Max Romero
@LousyLefty posted:I think I need more coffee...and an explanation. Are you saying that in 2020 1275players were looking for a roster spot and 979 of them found one? That's actually higher than I would expect.
It would take a ridiculous amount of work to determine this but it would be interesting to know how many of the 979 actually got on the field and played. My suspicion is not a very high %.
@PitchingFan posted:SEC Transfer Portal as of 7/1/2021
Copied from another friend on another site.
Alabama
Myles Austin
Connor Shamblin
TJ Reeves
Will Patota
Arkansas
Bryce Matthews
Michael Brooks
Jack Cobb
Nate Wohlgemuth
Jacob Burton
Blake Adams
Cason Tollett
Caleb Bolden
Auburn
Carter Frederick
John Ceccoli
Florida
Mark Roberts
Chase Centala
Hunter Mink
Cory Acton
Brock Edge
Jordan Butler
Ben Specht
Jordan Carrion
Ryan Cabarcas
Georgia
Caleb Ketchup
Brandon Smith
Kentucky
Cam Hill
Ron Cole
James Ramsey
Drew Grace
Jonathan Hicks
Cole Daniels
Dillon Marsh
Brendan Hord
Chase Bryan
Coltyn Kessler
Jimmie Lockhart
LSU
Maurice Hampton
Brandon Kaminer
Maurice Hampton
Zach Arnold
Collin Rice
Theo Millas
Mississippi State
Jack Eagan
Jared Shemper
Landon Jordan
Steven Lewis
Austin Reed
Devin Sweeney
Davis Rokose
Jaxen Forrester
Dylan Carmouche
Eric Cerantola
Josh Hatcher
Xavier Lovett
Brandon Pimentel
Kace Garnere
Missouri
Will Fricker
Paul Winland
Chad McDaniel
Gabe Nutter
Caden Griffin
Trey Dillard
Steven Sanchez
Cam Swanger
Alex Peterson
Mark Vierling
Jackson Lancaster
Cam Pferrer
Jared Simpson
Seth Halvorsen
Andrew Vail
Josh Holt
Brandt Belk
Konnor Ash
Ole Miss
Ben Gilbert
Luke Baker
Hudson Sapp
Jake Payne
Trey LaFleur
Cade Sammons
Cael Baker
South Carolina
Dylan Harley
Josh Shuler
Mag Cotto
Travis Luensmann
Brandon Fields
Sam Swygert
Nick Dagnello
Mike Robinson
Noah Myers
Jeff Heinrich
Brennan Milone
David Mendham
Tennessee
Brayden Osborne
Caden Elliott
Connor Housley
Charez Butcher
Colin AhearnTexas A&M
Logan Sartori
Logan Britt
Cam Blake
Ty Coleman
Bryan Sturges
Tommy Vincent
Gabe Craig
Kobe Andrade
Kimble Schuessler
Mason Ornelas
Zane Schmidt
Vanderbilt
Chris Pittaro
Matt Hogan
Will Duff
Max Romero
Add Clayton Peterson to list at Missouri. He is Alex Peterson’s twin but for some reason is mistakenly listed on the portal as Missouri State. Total is just shy of 120 players - which is equal to almost 4 teams worth of roster spots - all from the best college baseball conference in America. Wherever they end up it will most likely push someone else out. And so on and so on.
Several will go to other sec teams. We have one already and understand we will get a couple more. Many are young guys who never played and will move down a level.
Some will make lateral moves and some will move down. It’s the biggest game of musical chairs ever but it’s also gonna leave a huge number of players without a chair to sit in when the music stops.
@adbono posted:It would take a ridiculous amount of work to determine this but it would be interesting to know how many of the 979 actually got on the field and played. My suspicion is not a very high %.
@CollegebaseballInsights: hold my beer
What's really scary about the transfer portal is - these are the kids who know their time at said school is up. There are way more who will try to stick it out and end up getting cut, most of which will become regular students.
The other thing is, take the numbers with a grain of salt. A lot are grad students.
@T_Thomas posted:Hey CBI, that's a great post. Thanks.
This is the first time I've seen that level of detail on the player positions and their landing schools.
Appreciated.
Last year I added those 2 pieces of information to understand where the demand might be.
It was especially helpful to JUCOs, who could simply filter who may or may not be available.
Upon seeing this thread, I looked at the file and compared our database to understand which players actually made 2021 rosters.
Now the question that we all need to ask is what % of players will be able to find new schools especially at the d1 level given the fact that roster sizes will be limited to 40.
IMHO, this will be very interesting conversation next spring.
@adbono posted:It would take a ridiculous amount of work to determine this but it would be interesting to know how many of the 979 actually got on the field and played. My suspicion is not a very high %.
Currently working on enhancing the website, but will probably have a answer by end of august. I will put it on the to do list.
I can't confirm the accuracy of this site, but it does give some good information.
College Baseball Search Tool - TeamFacts (teamfactsrecruiting.com)
@CollegebaseballInsights posted:It is that simple. Remember there was no roster limits. It seems I removed the pdf from my original post.
Please see attachment.
The attachment is from last year correct?
@TXdad2019 posted:I can't confirm the accuracy of this site, but it does give some good information.
College Baseball Search Tool - TeamFacts (teamfactsrecruiting.com)
competitor tool to www.collegebaseballinsights.com.
Just a note, we have information for every school in the country since 2017, we also have the ability to show all transfers between NCAA, NAIA and JUCOs.
We show college insights from a graphical perspective
E.g Navarro College
Where are their players from? - drill down to the school's roster for more details.
What is their pipeline
Team Roster Insights -
Player Attrittion
College Summer League - Will be available in Aug
JUCO Pipeline
Win/Loss Record past 5 years.
Conference standings - with drilldown to the conference website
2020 Financials - Expense by Sport
10 year Budget
New feature Player Attrition - Number of players that left and why
# of players that left by position
# of players that were add to the team in 2021
# of players that were added by position
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@TXdad2019 posted:The attachment is from last year correct?
Yes. As stated in my previous post, the pdf provides detailed information concerning which players in the 2020 transfer portal were on 2021 rosters.
Just wanted to give a little update to this thread which I was the OP..
Son has commited to another mid major D1 closer to home with some athletic $$ .
The portal was pretty much a waste , in my son's case , with only a few leads from schools that we have never heard of before. But we knew this going in ..
the Best response he received was from well written persistant Emails with video.. he also had decent response from prior leads (High school time frame)
let's pray this one works out - he is stoked and excited to fullfill his potential and help his new team greatly.
Congrats on the great news 12changeup for your son + the family! All the best moving forward ~
@12changeup posted:Just wanted to give a little update to this thread which I was the OP..
Son has commited to another mid major D1 closer to home with some athletic $$ .
The portal was pretty much a waste , in my son's case , with only a few leads from schools that we have never heard of before. But we knew this going in ..
the Best response he received was from well written persistant Emails with video.. he also had decent response from prior leads (High school time frame)
let's pray this one works out - he is stoked and excited to fullfill his potential and help his new team greatly.
Congrats to the family.
My son was in a similar circumstance, and has had similar results. Now that he has made a decision about his next step, I'll go ahead and post a summary to hopefully help others.
He is a LHP, and was part of a very large roster at a competitive D2 program. He had a handful of appearances as a true freshman in 2020 season, but was not being used in the 2021 season. The pitching staff had many returning upperclassmen, several incoming freshmen, and 12 Juco transfer pitchers.
With half the season played in 2021 and zero appearances, it was clear that they were not planning to give him significant innings this season. But he knew that there would likely be a few appearances late in the season which would burn a full season of competition.
He also was in a situation where the academic options were limited at this school. It has a small enrollment and class availability was limited. He plans on a grad degree, and in 4 semesters had already taken most of the classes relevant to his career path.
He decided to enter the transfer portal mid-season so he could use the remaining time this spring and summer to re-open the recruiting process. It would also preserve the full year of eligibility. He would have the benefit of having two seasons of college ball experience, but still having 4 years eligibility.
Of course, the downside to this strategy was that they removed him from the team immediately. He met man-to-man with the head coach and discussed the situation. Coach told him that he really admired his courage and respected the decision. Coach also importantly told him he would give a good recommendation. But, within 30 minutes of this meeting with the coach, his name, bio, and stats were off the roster and it looked like he had never existed on the team. We expected it to happen, but none-the-less pretty shocking to be disappeared like that.
So, the hard work of finding a new program began. He did get a couple emails and texts from coaches who saw the portal updates, but far and away most of his contact came from two categories: coaches he knew already from earlier recruiting; and coaches who saw his videos retweeted by Rob Friedman @FlatgroundApp.
He sent out emails to all of the programs he had been in contact with in high school with links to the recent videos. Surprisingly (to me at least) the response rates to these were really good. Most remembered him, and if they had a current need, they were willing to talk.
The second category of interest came from Twitter. He had never had a big on-line presence, with probably only 10-15 friends as followers. But after posting video to @FlatgroundApp, he literally got over 100 college coach followers within a few days. Most were smaller schools and a lot of them were far from home, but the interest was real. He replied to every coach and genuinely tried to learn about their programs. He also posted a few more video updates over the next couple months, and with every post, more coaches followed. By the time he made a commitment this week, the coach followers were up to about 200, and he was corresponding with most of them.
This Twitter presence also was instrumental in getting him a spot on a summer team in a great league. Without the college coach helping with placement, we were concerned that he might not find a good fit. But he sent out emails to summer coaches and GMs with links to video, and several offers for summer ball came from all over the country. He decided on a great team in the Valley Baseball League. We did get some help from HokieOne here on the HSBBWeb, who is well-connected with the VBL and helped make some introductions.
So, it was the beginning of July, and fall semester starts in about a month, and he's still undecided. He's talking to many schools at all levels, and has visited several. But, it turns out that the connection that resulted in his commitment came in a round-about way. My son went to a Juco tryout camp at a local D1 school. He did decently, but no offer resulted from that school. But the pitching coach for another school just happened to have been at the try-out, and liked what he saw. Then, my son had a summer teammate text his (this same) coach and recommend that he look at my son. The coach called son, and they talked and put together that coach had already seen him throw. He set up a visit to go meet the HC and other staff and see the school, and they made a great offer on that visit.
He had to take a leap of faith, believing in himself but knowing that there was a chance nobody picked him up. He did have the option to go to a semester or two of Juco to get some live innings and post some stats, and he would have done that rather than just hang up the cleats. But, the 15,000 video views and the email and text networking provided enough momentum to keep things moving in the right direction until the right fit showed up.
The new school has a highly-rated degree program in his field of study. He moved from a good D2 program to a mid-major D1 school. They play in a great conference with most of the games within a few hours from home. The baseball program seems to have great coaches who care about the kids and building their program on and off the field.
We will see how things develop, but for right now, he is completely satisfied with the decision, and it seems like the process worked out about as well as possible.
Enjoyed reading that T_Thomas. Best of luck to your son. I'd also like to point out the importance of flatground app on twitter even though some people still can't get their head around the fact that college coaches are using it as a recruiting tool.