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We are not one of the "big time" organizations, but I will tell you that our fees are $1500 for the Summer.

I figured it to be better to respond directly to the poster when they are interested in our club.

I guess we are part of what you call a "big time organization," and we were part of a "slightly less big time organization" in the past. Usually there is a coaches fee (ranging from $400 to $1000 or so for the Spring/Summer), and then there are variable fees for the costs of the leagues and tournaments. Our experience has been the costs is between $1200 and $1800. That does not include travel costs, and some places charge for facility use.

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Originally posted by Dallas D'backs:
We are not one of the "big time" organizations, but I will tell you that our fees are $1500 for the Summer.

I figured it to be better to respond directly to the poster when they are interested in our club.

Thanks

I think the issue is that any price can be quoted but there are a lot of variables that go into the "package" provided. Quoting prices without telling you how many tourneys, how much cage time, lessons included, etc is like getting a quote on a car without asking make\model and if it has a stereo.

Not implying there is anything untoward when folks like Dallas D'backs do provide quotes....just more to the story than how much it costs. :-)

D-bat is $2000.00 for 15 year olds for the summer.
that includes everything but travel

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Originally posted by monkeyboy:
I think the issue is that any price can be quoted but there are a lot of variables that go into the "package" provided. Quoting prices without telling you how many tourneys, how much cage time, lessons included, etc is like getting a quote on a car without asking make\model and if it has a stereo.

This.

Numbers don't mean anything unless you know what goes into the number. $1600 without uni's, cage rental, field dues etc. included can be more expensive than $2000 with the above included.

So just asking how much is pointless.

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Originally posted by RLB:

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Originally posted by monkeyboy:
I think the issue is that any price can be quoted but there are a lot of variables that go into the "package" provided. Quoting prices without telling you how many tourneys, how much cage time, lessons included, etc is like getting a quote on a car without asking make\model and if it has a stereo.

This.

Numbers don't mean anything unless you know what goes into the number. $1600 without uni's, cage rental, field dues etc. included can be more expensive than $2000 with the above included.

So just asking how much is pointless.

True. I don't think coaches are good at giving the details. My son's play for DBAT. DBAT seems to be a little more expensive than most, but it includes cleats, turf shoes, pants, shirts, caps, coaches fees, tourney fees, and league fees. Some DBAT coaches include helmets with the fee, but others have a set of team helmets they provide. It is a lot of money, but we have been very happy with the DBAT coaches and my oldest son's coach did a lot to help get him signed to a great D2 school. I think getting on a team with a coach that your son likes and respects is priceless and more important than the name on the shirt.

Our fees include everything but travel costs. This includes the uniform, coaching, tournaments, league, baseballs, helmets, etc. Our uniform includes two jerseys, 2 pants, hat, team bag, belt. Most of our teams have one out of town tournament. Our 18 premier team will go to AZ for the Connie Mack WS Qualifier and also go to College Station for a weekend in July.

We play in the Dallas BBI league. One of our 16u and 18u teams participate in the Premier division of the league. Each team is scheduled for 4 tournaments. In addition, each team will participate in AABC postseason state tournaments. This schedule is roughly 30-40 games depending on how they did in tournaments.

HRKB and Panther Fan are correct for the DBAT Mustangs...No lessons, cage rentals, or field dues are in our fees.

Any parent can call me directly at 214 551 1979 or email me at scurrin@tx.rr.com if they have any questions about the DBAT Mustangs.

My son doesn't play for either of these but I will say with 60 games in 60 days I doubt any org adds field dues and team cage dues. Just not much time for practices. But I have been wrong before.

I like this post. What say you Pats, Tigers, Marshals, and Frozen Rope?

Welcome to Select Ball!!! Either Pay Or Don't Play!!!

Yep... And about to be that way in High School baseball I am afraid.

You will never get the head of the Tigers organization to come forward with whats included in his fees. Five hundred dollars just to wear the t-shirt. Add that up. Wow.

I have been told that the Dallas Tigers are about 3000.00 for the summer 

Hey...the Dbacks are still looking to add some 18u arms and 16u kids as well.

The Tigers information is not true. We are with the Tigers.

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Originally posted by Aleebaba:
The Tigers information is not true. We are with the Tigers.

OK, then what is the price for the team you are on ! I know for a fact two years ago it was 2800.00 for the summer for one of the teams. The prices can very from team to team within an organization.

Seeking a chance to play part-time with select or league team as a RHP/2B. 2011 graduate but eligible for 17U. Please let me know if any opportunity exist.

Give Dennis a call tomorrow. (817) 798-9569

Or shoot us an email at dallasdbacks@yahoo.com

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Originally posted by Big Wood:

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Originally posted by Aleebaba:
The Tigers information is not true. We are with the Tigers.

OK, then what is the price for the team you are on ! I know for a fact two years ago it was 2800.00 for the summer for one of the teams. The prices can very from team to team within an organization.

To answer your question...

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The prices can very from team to team within an organization.

If I were you I would contact the Tiger organization if you have an interest in playing for them and they can quote you a price. When a post is bolded and has a semi-outrageous price(may not be outrageous depending on package) based on 3rd party hearsay it suggests you may have an axe to grind. Who knows...maybe the $3000 quote included a trip to Fiji to play the Fiji All-Stars.

The Tigers won't quote you a price on the phone. You would have to be on their roster. You won't know what the coaching fee is either unless you hound your team manager to death. And then ask what the five hundred dollar upfront fee (14 and under)is for? He will say indoor facility, cost of web site, and adm fees. In reality, the indoor facility is rent free because the indoor owner has two boys playing in the Tiger organization and charges the Tigers owner nothing in return. The Tiger web site is done by a friend and is updated maybe once per week. No outdoor practice fields at all are available for any teams. Tiger teams have to rent field space such as McInnish in Carollton. And finally, after paying your 24-25 hundred times twelve or so players, just try to get a detail budget in writing from the team manager. It doesn't happen. Lots of secrecy in that organization. I have no bone to pick. Thats just the reality.

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Originally posted by luvtxball:
The Tigers won't quote you a price on the phone. You would have to be on their roster. You won't know what the coaching fee is either unless you hound your team manager to death. And then ask what the five hundred dollar upfront fee (14 and under)is for? He will say indoor facility, cost of web site, and adm fees. In reality, the indoor facility is rent free because the indoor owner has two boys playing in the Tiger organization and charges the Tigers owner nothing in return. The Tiger web site is done by a friend and is updated maybe once per week. No outdoor practice fields at all are available for any teams. Tiger teams have to rent field space such as McInnish in Carollton. And finally, after paying your 24-25 hundred times twelve or so players, just try to get a detail budget in writing from the team manager. It doesn't happen. Lots of secrecy in that organization. I have no bone to pick. Thats just the reality.

First off, you cannot go off on a rant and then say "I have no bone to pick" because you just make no sense.

I am guessing from your post that you are an avid communist and despise the fact that a business (yes, the Tigers, Dbat, Arlington A's, Patriots are all businesses) would make any money.

Each team is different and plays different tournaments and this makes the cost of each team (not organization) vary. In case you did not read the entire thread, this has been said many times already.

Our admin will send out a monthly "budget update" to inform the parents of where we are at that point. We budget things for the summer and whatever is not used gets sent back to the parents.

This is not a covert agency, but our fees vary by team and each coach or admin can answer the questions regarding these issues...to the parents that it CONCERNS!

I would highly suggest that if you have an issue with the Tigers or Tommy Hernandez that you simply call the man and discuss it with him...or perhaps you can continue to bash the organization because after all you do have the freedom and the anonymity of the hsbaseballweb to do so.

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Originally posted by txbball14:

So when is the Fiji game?

Fiji sounds great...I'm thinking Christmas Break.

On a side note, that will be my last post unless I have something positive to add or score updates. Should not have gotten drawn into negative comments anyways, but I did and it won't happen again. Just have to realize that there are a lot of bitter people out there and it makes no sense to throw fuel on the fire!

Just kill em with kindness...

You get what you pay for .... no more no less ! Our son will pitch for Dback Sanders this summer. Out for his senior year (7 innings total), but happy to pay $1,500.00 for him to "rehab" this summer w/ coaches who understand the game . Headed to Howard in the fall . My two cents .... and you know how far two cents will get you. Great thread ....

ttex, I read this post, I am not ranting, I am posting facts, not rants, this is what is happening. We have never received a budget, let alone an update, I have talked to Tommy (that was a deaf ear). I am not bashing anyone. These are the facts with no hyperbole. Lastly, I am not bitter at all. Thats just the way our team functioned and no one did anything about it.

I think this thread is hillarous as it presumes that the kid/parent have the choice to play wherever they want and can decide based on cost. You will not play for the Tigers or many of the other top organizations unless you are very good for your age. In most organizations the difference in cost is negligible, and I think very few decisions are made based on a $100 or $200 difference. I can tell you that the top organizations want top talent so they can win, and some are better than others at developing talent. But why should an organizations show their costs to persons that have no chance of ever being on the roster? If you go to tryout and make team ask the question; otherwise, you are just stirring up an argument for no reason.

15-18 Fees are 2200. Included:
1. 2 Leagues = 40 plus games
2. 6-7 Tournaments, plus AABC playoffs
3. Uniforms = 2 pairs of pants, 2 jerseys, and a hat
4. A bag, a batting helmet, a glove, and 2 prs batting gloves
5. Unlimited cage time for one year
6. Unlimited probatter time for one year
7. Unlimited use of computer analysis equipment for a year
8. 10% off on lessons and equipment for one year

Our schedules are on our website. We play more games than most but we feel that's what our players want and need. There is no substitute for experience.

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Originally posted by Aleebaba:
I think this thread is hillarous as it presumes that the kid/parent have the choice to play wherever they want and can decide based on cost. You will not play for the Tigers or many of the other top organizations unless you are very good for your age. In most organizations the difference in cost is negligible, and I think very few decisions are made based on a $100 or $200 difference. I can tell you that the top organizations want top talent so they can win, and some are better than others at developing talent. But why should an organizations show their costs to persons that have no chance of ever being on the roster? If you go to tryout and make team ask the question; otherwise, you are just stirring up an argument for no reason.

ummm, you do not have to be very good for your age at most age groups to play for the Tigers or most organizations.

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Originally posted by RLB:
ummm, you do not have to be very good for your age at most age groups to play for the Tigers or most organizations.

Are you suggesting its purely money and not at least on some level based on talent? Boy am I depressed.

Our team split up a few years ago for a few reasons...1) lost a lot of kids who are out at college now 2) we coached for free and the demand on our time just became too much with full time jobs and family.

I can tell you with no coaching fees we were able to do it for $600 a player for a summer season. That included 5 tournaments, about 30 league games, uniforms, field rental for 1 practice a week, unlimited use of cages for players, insurance, equipment, & misc. We played against the DBAts, Tigers, FR of the world and same level of competition as them. Most of our players are now JRs and Srs. but of the few that are in college now 2 received scholarships. I can say that I am happy that we were able to provide an opportunity for some kids to play summer ball at a high level of competition and get noticed who may not have had that chance had the only option been to pay $2000.

My point is not to say anything about the larger organizations charging too much. At the end of the day it really just matters if the parent/player is happy with the over all situation; money is just a part of it.

I'm just trying to say it can be done at a much less expensive cost. You just have to look harder for those teams and not fall in love with a coach's resume. There are a lot of very knowledgable baseball people out in this world who don't do it full time or played pro ball; for one reason or another.

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Originally posted by monkeyboy:

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Originally posted by RLB:
ummm, you do not have to be very good for your age at most age groups to play for the Tigers or most organizations.

Are you suggesting its purely money and not at least on some level based on talent? Boy am I depressed.

Apparently you have a kid that plays for the Tigers org, you do realize from 11 on up there are multiple teams at each age, some age groups with 4 teams? I am not bashing at all as I said every top org is the same nor do I think it is necessarily a bad thing (for another topic). I know about one younger team that is a AA type team in your org that is as expensive as any Major level team, they still have to play in tournaments, they have paid coaches, uni's, field dues etc. - playing at a high level =/= more expensive then lower skill levels is what I was pointing out and that there is a relative choice.

Wood I don't understand why it's so important for you that folks
publish a price list.

Find where you want to play, see if they want your kid, and ask
them what it cost to play and what you get for your money. Do that with
each org you're interested in. Then pick, pay, and play.
What's the big deal?


.rockdad

Beast Jr. played for the Tigers for 6 years. We always knew what was going on, everybody was always up front with us. They always had some great coaches. Still do.

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Originally posted by Rock Dad:
Wood I don't understand why it's so important for you that folks
publish a price list.

Find where you want to play, see if they want your kid, and ask
them what it cost to play and what you get for your money. Do that with
each org you're interested in. Then pick, pay, and play.
What's the big deal?

Rock Dad, it's not a big deal to me personaly.
I just think it would be nice if these guys
would just post thier fee's when asked. I have had four boys go thru the system already. I'm very aware of how the system works. My sons over the years played for the Dallas Patriots, Dallas Tigers, Dallas Panthers and DBAT. I have no axe to grind with anyone. Let's just put it all out there for everyone to see. This makes it better for the consumer, because these are businesses. I just never did like how you did not know the full and complete cost until you went to the first meeting and then all the suprise cost come in.. travel coaches fee's ect. on top of the intial cost.



.rockdad

Dallas Giants - Coach Steve Hecht www.thehechteffect.com for coaches bio.

Contact Bob Halpin at bob.halpin@aureausgroupllc.com for more infromation.

Lets go guys we still haven't heard from from the Tigers, Pats, Blackhawks, Panthers, ETC... Come on guys lets us know what are you charging?

A lot of us have posted when we were having tryouts. Tryouts are over. This exact question (which I honestly believe is a fair one, but as someone said above... it can also be asked in a private e-mail or phone conversation if you are really interested in finding out) was asked about the fall teams in 2010...and a number of orgs answered it.

We aren't a big org (3 teams total)... but choose to get on the field with them. Some days we win, some days we don't. It's good baseball on both sides of the field, so that helps development of kids.

$1000... 58 scheduled games (could be a few more depending on tourney finishes) in 63 days, from 2 leagues, 5 tournaments. Includes pre-season practices (we ended up having 10) at 2-3 hrs each held at Craig Ranch/Celebration Park, two uniform tops, two caps, practice equipment, game balls.

We do not supply helmets, cleats, gloves, bats, bat bags, belts, socks, or pants. We do not pay for travel costs.

Maybe that's high, maybe that's low. I don't know b/c it doesn't matter. Someone above said it well...ask lots of questions, don't assume anything, and get to know your coach BEFORE you commit (that helps both the parent/player AND the coach if you join). Unlike the HS scene, you and your son get to choose the venue of his summer experience. Please don't base it primarily on $$.

Best to everyone this summer. May all the boys play well, learn a lot, and stay healthy!