OLDSLUGGER8,
I think you used the term "thug" about 3 times, in reference to, what appears to be, black basketball players.
There is no place for that in this forum. I'm white, and a big-time baseball guy, but if you think basketball players lack skill, talent, and work ethic, you're way off base. Baseball may be the toughest game to master, but basketball is far more demanding, physically. You try running, jumping, and knocking around a court for 48 minutes, only to do it the next day.. you couldn't.
I don't know what your motivation for your post is, but if I were black, or at least an inner-city youth, I'd probably be offended. Exactly why do you refer to someone who is a poor free-thrower a "thug". You sound wacko.
oldslugger
In your pic they both get the scholarship-- and incidently I prefer to define the players by the uniform color not skin color
Opportunity !!! everyone has an opportunity--it is a matter of choices and decisions
As for thugs I take offense to the term in the manner which you use it---Is SHAQ a thug?---he happens to be a police officer with a post grad degree. Is LeBron a thug? Is Larry Hughes a thug? I think not-- shall I go on!!!!
In your pic they both get the scholarship-- and incidently I prefer to define the players by the uniform color not skin color
Opportunity !!! everyone has an opportunity--it is a matter of choices and decisions
As for thugs I take offense to the term in the manner which you use it---Is SHAQ a thug?---he happens to be a police officer with a post grad degree. Is LeBron a thug? Is Larry Hughes a thug? I think not-- shall I go on!!!!
I believe many NBA announcers used the term to describe the 1980's Pistons champ team. The term referenced Bill Laimbeer most of the time.
Bill is white if you recall.
Getting involved in these discussions is a lose/lose scenario.......later
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/official_info/community/rbi.jsp
Have fun tip-toeing
Bill is white if you recall.
Getting involved in these discussions is a lose/lose scenario.......later
http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/official_info/community/rbi.jsp
Have fun tip-toeing
OLD
you are showing your prejudice now---that was 20/25 years ago---Laimbeer is now a highly respected coach and Thomas is a Knick big wig
you are showing your prejudice now---that was 20/25 years ago---Laimbeer is now a highly respected coach and Thomas is a Knick big wig
Do you sincerely believe that baseball is available for everybody? If it were, then this wouldn't be necessary:
http://www.briggsdiamondsintherough.com
Most of us who are able to be on this site are very, very lucky. We can go to the internet when we want to, garner information, purchase the newest, shiniest equipment, pay tons of money for our kids to play (just check out the thread on "how much would you pay to play"), have the wherewithal to get them into college, travel to the tournaments and showcases necessary for exposure, etc. Most importantly, most of the adults here can afford to buy the time out of their lives to support their children's dreams. Many communities have invested in the development of recreational programs to try to minimize the pull of alternative lifestyles/choices. Some haven't, some can't.
It is not necessarily about race, but race is often clearly defined makes us see. This is often a social class issue, and class is not always easily identifiable.
It saddens me to know that if my son were sitting on the bench during a basketball game, some would automatically think of him as a thug. Does that mean that all black males are thugs? Is it only basketball players? Does that mean that he's not a thug if he plays baseball?
And it is interesting to note that the United States is the only country that uses race in the way that it does. We discriminate based on skin color; most of the rest of the world discriminates through the use of class. Race, itself, is an anthropological concept used for the categorization of people. It's amazing how we've chosen to spin an academic idea.
http://www.briggsdiamondsintherough.com
Most of us who are able to be on this site are very, very lucky. We can go to the internet when we want to, garner information, purchase the newest, shiniest equipment, pay tons of money for our kids to play (just check out the thread on "how much would you pay to play"), have the wherewithal to get them into college, travel to the tournaments and showcases necessary for exposure, etc. Most importantly, most of the adults here can afford to buy the time out of their lives to support their children's dreams. Many communities have invested in the development of recreational programs to try to minimize the pull of alternative lifestyles/choices. Some haven't, some can't.
It is not necessarily about race, but race is often clearly defined makes us see. This is often a social class issue, and class is not always easily identifiable.
It saddens me to know that if my son were sitting on the bench during a basketball game, some would automatically think of him as a thug. Does that mean that all black males are thugs? Is it only basketball players? Does that mean that he's not a thug if he plays baseball?
And it is interesting to note that the United States is the only country that uses race in the way that it does. We discriminate based on skin color; most of the rest of the world discriminates through the use of class. Race, itself, is an anthropological concept used for the categorization of people. It's amazing how we've chosen to spin an academic idea.
Baseball IS available to everyone if they want it bad enough !!! Why are we lucky to be on this site ?--- Thru any local library you can get into this site, just ask E-6.
I truly get tired of hearing all the excuses---we have minorites playing with us every year--they WANT to play so they make it happen
Lets stop the crying---if a kid wants it he can find the place to play
I truly get tired of hearing all the excuses---we have minorites playing with us every year--they WANT to play so they make it happen
Lets stop the crying---if a kid wants it he can find the place to play
Fungo-
Excellent! Past most folks like a high heater.
quote:I like butter pecan ice cream, deer hunting, bass fishing, baseball, and Charlie Pride’s music
Excellent! Past most folks like a high heater.
why are 6% of college baseball players black? . . . it seems too simple
they're black because they were born that way . .
and . . they're playing college baseball beacuse they're good enough
pehaps we have too many "smart" people defining our problems . . I find it bizzrare that someone who decries racism , describes and views themsevles & their child ONLY in terms of race, religion & ethnic origin.
regarding social class issues - guess I'm guilty of buying my kid "shiny new equipment", lessons, playing travel ball etc . . only to find him waaay behind Latin kids who played baseball in parking lots with a taped up ball & milk carton gloves
also . . . shame on anyone who mentions "thug" without noting Rick Mahorn in the same sentence
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they're black because they were born that way . .
and . . they're playing college baseball beacuse they're good enough
pehaps we have too many "smart" people defining our problems . . I find it bizzrare that someone who decries racism , describes and views themsevles & their child ONLY in terms of race, religion & ethnic origin.
regarding social class issues - guess I'm guilty of buying my kid "shiny new equipment", lessons, playing travel ball etc . . only to find him waaay behind Latin kids who played baseball in parking lots with a taped up ball & milk carton gloves
** not to worry, the thugs would NOT be on the benchquote:by mcozart: It saddens me to know that if my son were sitting on the bench during a basketball game, some would automatically think of him as a thug
also . . . shame on anyone who mentions "thug" without noting Rick Mahorn in the same sentence
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Because we have to have libraries that are open and accessible
Because we have to have working computers in those libraries
Because we often have to have transportation to get to those libraries
Because we have been fortunate enough to have had the time to find this site in the first place
Because we have been able to parent our children -- and others -- in that we have supported the thing that brings them joy
That isn't crying, TR, it is only realizing that many kids quit because they don't have the support at any level -- at home, at school or in the community. Don't expect people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps when they don't have any boots!
Because we have to have working computers in those libraries
Because we often have to have transportation to get to those libraries
Because we have been fortunate enough to have had the time to find this site in the first place
Because we have been able to parent our children -- and others -- in that we have supported the thing that brings them joy
That isn't crying, TR, it is only realizing that many kids quit because they don't have the support at any level -- at home, at school or in the community. Don't expect people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps when they don't have any boots!
It seems to me that much of what I'm saying is being misconstrued. And perhaps it is being misconstrued because some of you don't look at the world in the same way that many others do, which might make much of what I say relatively insulting to you as individuals. If that's the case, then I apologize for that.
But perhaps your kid hasn't overheard an opposing high school team saying "We should have drawn on Hitler mustaches" or had ethnic and racial slurs yelled at their teams while being chased with baseball bats towards the bus. Perhaps your kids' teams haven't had their AD refuse to file complaints about those events. Maybe you haven't passed the area where the parents of the opposing team sit and heard parents using a racial slur when discussing your kid -- because they would have no idea that that kid is your kid. I'm asking that you realize that this does, indeed, happen. And for many kids, it is a deterrent.
I, too, buy my kid "shiny new equipment", but I realize that not everyone can. Baseball is not a cheap sport...not by a longshot. And what's acceptable in other countries is often not acceptable here. It isn't better or worse, just not done.
I don't go to my son's games with a checklist looking to see who's who and what category I can place them in. And I'm not saying that there are people who do, but some things are impossible not to notice. For example, when I speak, it's impossible to overlook the fact that I'm from NY. It is likewise impossible to overlook the color of anyone's skin. It doesn't necessarily matter to anyone, but it is impossible to not see it. I gave you demographic information so that you can understand what I'm saying and why. It's simply information.
It's funny how people are focusing on information that I gave rather than focusing on issues that concern why only 6% of college baseball players are black. I raised issues such as access, funding, social class, family issues, work, and educational opportunity, but no one seems to be addressing those. I offered a website that refers to a contest to help kids get a field refurbished to demonstrate how funding cuts have diminished the opportunity to play. I told you of how a city (Baltimore) cannot even support the JV level in city high schools. I offered a dropout rate -- recently reflected in Time magazine -- that should get your attention. College attendance is pretty difficult without a high school diploma or a GED.
But perhaps your kid hasn't overheard an opposing high school team saying "We should have drawn on Hitler mustaches" or had ethnic and racial slurs yelled at their teams while being chased with baseball bats towards the bus. Perhaps your kids' teams haven't had their AD refuse to file complaints about those events. Maybe you haven't passed the area where the parents of the opposing team sit and heard parents using a racial slur when discussing your kid -- because they would have no idea that that kid is your kid. I'm asking that you realize that this does, indeed, happen. And for many kids, it is a deterrent.
I, too, buy my kid "shiny new equipment", but I realize that not everyone can. Baseball is not a cheap sport...not by a longshot. And what's acceptable in other countries is often not acceptable here. It isn't better or worse, just not done.
I don't go to my son's games with a checklist looking to see who's who and what category I can place them in. And I'm not saying that there are people who do, but some things are impossible not to notice. For example, when I speak, it's impossible to overlook the fact that I'm from NY. It is likewise impossible to overlook the color of anyone's skin. It doesn't necessarily matter to anyone, but it is impossible to not see it. I gave you demographic information so that you can understand what I'm saying and why. It's simply information.
It's funny how people are focusing on information that I gave rather than focusing on issues that concern why only 6% of college baseball players are black. I raised issues such as access, funding, social class, family issues, work, and educational opportunity, but no one seems to be addressing those. I offered a website that refers to a contest to help kids get a field refurbished to demonstrate how funding cuts have diminished the opportunity to play. I told you of how a city (Baltimore) cannot even support the JV level in city high schools. I offered a dropout rate -- recently reflected in Time magazine -- that should get your attention. College attendance is pretty difficult without a high school diploma or a GED.
quote:Originally posted by Bum:
OLDSLUGGER8,
I think you used the term "thug" about 3 times, in reference to, what appears to be, black basketball players.
There is no place for that in this forum. I'm white, and a big-time baseball guy, but if you think basketball players lack skill, talent, and work ethic, you're way off base. Baseball may be the toughest game to master, but basketball is far more demanding, physically. You try running, jumping, and knocking around a court for 48 minutes, only to do it the next day.. you couldn't.
I don't know what your motivation for your post is, but if I were black, or at least an inner-city youth, I'd probably be offended. Exactly why do you refer to someone who is a poor free-thrower a "thug". You sound wacko.
get over yourself**********read some of the links. The entire thread is about opportunies and choices. I was an inner-city youth as a kid.
TR I have a nice computer (Compaq Desktop) at home, DSL with scanner and printer. You can call me at home and ask me to look up info on players like everyone else.
Nice to know how off base this topic has gone,
Nice to know how off base this topic has gone,
I think the topic of race as it relates to baseball is important on this website. It’s because the majority of people who post here appear to hate racism. Racism is not exclusive to any race, I’ve seen it in many colors, but because there are so many more Caucasians than the others that is where the biggest changes have to take place.
Whenever I’m in a big city I make it a point to drive through the worst poverty stricken areas (the ghetto). Whether New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Atlanta, Miami, Los Angeles, Chicago, etc., etc. It all looks very similar and very depressing. My wife goes crazy saying it is dangerous, “let’s get out of here”! I’m sure everyone here has seen what I’m talking about. If not, I recommend people see this side of America. The people who live in these poverty stricken areas appear to be 99% minorities, mostly black people. It’s one thing to watch the movies or see it on television, but it sure has a bigger impact when you’re right in the middle of it. It sure doesn’t feel like baseball territory!
When looking at the situation these people live in you really have to wonder how would a young kid play baseball. When you can’t afford to replace windows that no longer exist, how do you afford the cost of baseball? I can actually see how young kids (by the millions) get in trouble. Survival has to be the #1 goal.
We could blame the people who actually live in these conditions for not improving their lives. We could blame the government for allowing this to happen. We could blame all of us for just not caring enough. But… The one thing we can’t blame is the young kids who have no control over the environment they were born in. And… That environment definitely does not provide the opportunities that most of us enjoy. Still… Some are strong enough to overcome all of this. Unfortunately, most do not!
Whenever I’m in a big city I make it a point to drive through the worst poverty stricken areas (the ghetto). Whether New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Atlanta, Miami, Los Angeles, Chicago, etc., etc. It all looks very similar and very depressing. My wife goes crazy saying it is dangerous, “let’s get out of here”! I’m sure everyone here has seen what I’m talking about. If not, I recommend people see this side of America. The people who live in these poverty stricken areas appear to be 99% minorities, mostly black people. It’s one thing to watch the movies or see it on television, but it sure has a bigger impact when you’re right in the middle of it. It sure doesn’t feel like baseball territory!
When looking at the situation these people live in you really have to wonder how would a young kid play baseball. When you can’t afford to replace windows that no longer exist, how do you afford the cost of baseball? I can actually see how young kids (by the millions) get in trouble. Survival has to be the #1 goal.
We could blame the people who actually live in these conditions for not improving their lives. We could blame the government for allowing this to happen. We could blame all of us for just not caring enough. But… The one thing we can’t blame is the young kids who have no control over the environment they were born in. And… That environment definitely does not provide the opportunities that most of us enjoy. Still… Some are strong enough to overcome all of this. Unfortunately, most do not!
http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:cHOL-SiBPvgJ:www.ph...n&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3
****as kids in the inner-city, our poor little league had what was called "beg day".
you would go door to door in all the neighborhoods holding your baseball cap out asking for peoples loose change. We did it because baseball was a passion to us all.
we played wallball, or fast pitch rubber drawing a box on the side of a building just to compete even two on two with a ball purchased from pop bottle proceeds. If there is a will, there is a way.
it was our CHOICE
****as kids in the inner-city, our poor little league had what was called "beg day".
you would go door to door in all the neighborhoods holding your baseball cap out asking for peoples loose change. We did it because baseball was a passion to us all.
we played wallball, or fast pitch rubber drawing a box on the side of a building just to compete even two on two with a ball purchased from pop bottle proceeds. If there is a will, there is a way.
it was our CHOICE
some good points by PG, however some "smart people" may have pre-defined your views of poverty
try driving tru some Appalachian poverty areas & notice their racial make-up and what level of danger you feel.
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try driving tru some Appalachian poverty areas & notice their racial make-up and what level of danger you feel.
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Bee, if you drive through a large enough city you can usually get a glimpse of the poverty of every group. I can go to white areas in Baltimore that are far scarier (to me, at least)than some of the black areas.
This is not about who has it worse; again, it is about accessibility to and opportunity for all things for all kids.
This is not about who has it worse; again, it is about accessibility to and opportunity for all things for all kids.
oldslugger,
I don't need to get over myself. What I need is to get over, under, around, and through relics like you.
I don't need to get over myself. What I need is to get over, under, around, and through relics like you.
Here is one for all you social engineers out there......
Will everyone be happy if EVERY sport has the exact same racial representation that society has?
And when those percentages change should every sport then alter its population to adjust to those changes?
Seems to me the only way one can achieve this is with quotas....and we all know how well that will work.
At some point we all need to get past this issue, we can all state statistics and situations we grew up with or are familar with.
We can all find some level of discrimation is some sport or activity in life.
Maybe it's time we all just try to look at college baseball players. Not black players or latin players or white player.....Just Players
Will everyone be happy if EVERY sport has the exact same racial representation that society has?
And when those percentages change should every sport then alter its population to adjust to those changes?
Seems to me the only way one can achieve this is with quotas....and we all know how well that will work.
At some point we all need to get past this issue, we can all state statistics and situations we grew up with or are familar with.
We can all find some level of discrimation is some sport or activity in life.
Maybe it's time we all just try to look at college baseball players. Not black players or latin players or white player.....Just Players
Let me hit this dead horse one more time.
I can say as a matter of fact you can give the black community every opportunity to play baseball and they will go to the gym. I have tried for 3 straight years with different black volunteers (one even played baseball at a major DI program) to re-establish a baseball program in the primarily black areas of my city and it has not worked. The community has a very nice park (in their neighborhood) with two 60/90 fields, fully maintained and lighted by the city at no charge, nice field house, nice concession stand, a $40.00 per player subsidy and no KIDS! Now I can go down the street to the gym and it is full of kids playing basketball all summer long.
SO YOU DONT THINK SOME KIDS ARE LEFT OUT BLACKS WHO WANT TO PLAY BASEBALL IN MY COMMUNITY GO TO A PARK WHERE THERE IS A BASEBALL TEAM. Our league boundaries allow players to play at the park they choose if no team is available in their area to give the black community a place to play.
As for the ridiculous quote in the linked article concerning FAM losing players, of course FAM has lost players in the last 30 years, 30 years ago they couldn't play at the major universities. They were just barely being admitted to schools in the south. Just like integration closed most black owned businesses it also hurt the HBCUs.
It is mathmatically impossible to find good black athletes to play baseball when just about every HS and college baseketball team has 10 to 12 black players and the football teams will have 50 black players. There is just not that many blacks with the athletic and academic skills to fill all available slots...mainly because THEY DON'T WANT TO PLAY!
I can say as a matter of fact you can give the black community every opportunity to play baseball and they will go to the gym. I have tried for 3 straight years with different black volunteers (one even played baseball at a major DI program) to re-establish a baseball program in the primarily black areas of my city and it has not worked. The community has a very nice park (in their neighborhood) with two 60/90 fields, fully maintained and lighted by the city at no charge, nice field house, nice concession stand, a $40.00 per player subsidy and no KIDS! Now I can go down the street to the gym and it is full of kids playing basketball all summer long.
SO YOU DONT THINK SOME KIDS ARE LEFT OUT BLACKS WHO WANT TO PLAY BASEBALL IN MY COMMUNITY GO TO A PARK WHERE THERE IS A BASEBALL TEAM. Our league boundaries allow players to play at the park they choose if no team is available in their area to give the black community a place to play.
As for the ridiculous quote in the linked article concerning FAM losing players, of course FAM has lost players in the last 30 years, 30 years ago they couldn't play at the major universities. They were just barely being admitted to schools in the south. Just like integration closed most black owned businesses it also hurt the HBCUs.
It is mathmatically impossible to find good black athletes to play baseball when just about every HS and college baseketball team has 10 to 12 black players and the football teams will have 50 black players. There is just not that many blacks with the athletic and academic skills to fill all available slots...mainly because THEY DON'T WANT TO PLAY!
Dad4boys...In reading your post, I can't help but to think about the old adage that says that, "...two people can look at the same thing and see it differently." I suppose that's what makes the world go round, and I can't argue with anything that you have said. I'm assuming that the way you describe the black baseball situation in your post is the way you see it in North Alabama. But to say that black athletes don't want to play baseball is simply not true in my area of the state of Georgia. Maybe it's true in Alabama, but not in Georgia, and especially not in the Atlanta Metropolitan area where there are hundreds of black baseball players.
Catfish,
I think you just proved my point.
"especially not in the Atlanta Metropolitan area where there are hundreds of black baseball players."
There are 255689 blacks in Atlanta 50% are male. That means you have at least 127845 and lets say your hundreds is actually 10000 that means you still only have 8% playing baseball. I would not call that a lot of players in a community that is 60+% black with a black mayor,to support the black community. If the black community wanted or needed more baseball fields I feel sure they could get them.
Let me add so you can really think I am a racist. If MLB wants to be fleeced by activist for millions to throw in innercity baseball that is their business. But I think they could get all the black baseball players they wanted by just getting trade and travel opened with Cuba. That would be money well spent.
By the way I am looking for someone to get the minorities playing baseball in my town as we type. I hope year 4 is the year I get ONE team in that area.
I think you just proved my point.
"especially not in the Atlanta Metropolitan area where there are hundreds of black baseball players."
There are 255689 blacks in Atlanta 50% are male. That means you have at least 127845 and lets say your hundreds is actually 10000 that means you still only have 8% playing baseball. I would not call that a lot of players in a community that is 60+% black with a black mayor,to support the black community. If the black community wanted or needed more baseball fields I feel sure they could get them.
Let me add so you can really think I am a racist. If MLB wants to be fleeced by activist for millions to throw in innercity baseball that is their business. But I think they could get all the black baseball players they wanted by just getting trade and travel opened with Cuba. That would be money well spent.
By the way I am looking for someone to get the minorities playing baseball in my town as we type. I hope year 4 is the year I get ONE team in that area.
Dad4boys...I really don't know what point you are trying to make. I only know that in the Atlanta Metropolitan area, there are plenty of baseball fields/parks and plenty of black kids playing in them.
By the way, I never called you a racist nor do I think that you are one. I'd have to get to know you better before I could make that determination.
By the way, I never called you a racist nor do I think that you are one. I'd have to get to know you better before I could make that determination.
My point is you can try as you might but you cannot make a kid black, white, yellow or red play a SPORT, with the emphasis on sport, if they are simply not interested. Why is it a problem that only 6% of college baseball players are black or there are not enough blacks in professional baseball? I think we all know that it came from some activist group that looked around for a cause to get more money from people who are afraid to have a label put on them. I work on the front lines of trying to promote youth baseball and I can tell you as a matter of fact in my area North Alabama blacks who want to play ball find a place to play, the rest are simply not interested. Making the argument that it is a financial issue is a joke to get some well heeled people cough up some cash to keep a few activist shut up. And, I am fine with that..get it however you can.. but don't act like it is a societal issue. Or they do not play because the MAN is keeping them down. How do the kids in the Dominican Republic and other third world locals learn to play with a milk carton glove, a stick for a bat and what ever hard sphere they can find for a ball? "By the way I recommend Sammy Sosa's book". They learn to play because they WANT TOO. Because we love baseball we think all black kids should love baseball too, and if they don't it has something to do with racism or the white man keeping them down. The money that is going to be wasted and I mean wasted on this non-issue could be better spent keeping the inner-city kids in school. If you think only 6% of college baseball players being black is an issue you need to look at the high school graduation rates for black males in Americas largest cities.
In Atlanta with approximately 25254 black males enrolled in school only 64% graduate. Now you can try to figure out how many of those 64% that graduated were college caliber baseball players and academically eligible, 6% may be an exceptionally high number when it is all said and done.
In Atlanta with approximately 25254 black males enrolled in school only 64% graduate. Now you can try to figure out how many of those 64% that graduated were college caliber baseball players and academically eligible, 6% may be an exceptionally high number when it is all said and done.
At the Georgia Dougout Club All Star game last night, maybe 1/4 the players were black, of the top 5 pro prospects there. 4 were black
Baseball is now a upper middle class-rich man's sport. Ten years ago in my area, there were 3 teams that were the elite travel teams. Everyone on those teams were really good and the cost was taken care of. Today there is a travel team on every corner and the costs can run from 5-20 thousand dollars for the summer. that eliminates any kid from a family that does not have extra cash.The quality of the travel teams is weak, as there are too many of them.
It not only eliminates poor black kids from good summer competition, it also eliminates poor white kids from good summer competition. The college coaches go to the top summer events and they offer sholarships to the best of what they see. What they see are a bunch of rich white kids playing baseball.
In 1994 I had the best area code team that I ever had and 6 of the starting 9 were black. The last year I ran the team in 2001, I had 1 black kid on my team, and he was a friend of a friend.
The poor kids have been forced to other sports by Summer Daddy ball taking over. The result is that the talent pool is about 80% worse than it was just 10 years ago.
For the most part, Legion ball has gone down the tubes, which is a shame, because it was free. Daddy ball has taken over, and the real good talent has gone to other sports.
It not only eliminates poor black kids from good summer competition, it also eliminates poor white kids from good summer competition. The college coaches go to the top summer events and they offer sholarships to the best of what they see. What they see are a bunch of rich white kids playing baseball.
In 1994 I had the best area code team that I ever had and 6 of the starting 9 were black. The last year I ran the team in 2001, I had 1 black kid on my team, and he was a friend of a friend.
The poor kids have been forced to other sports by Summer Daddy ball taking over. The result is that the talent pool is about 80% worse than it was just 10 years ago.
For the most part, Legion ball has gone down the tubes, which is a shame, because it was free. Daddy ball has taken over, and the real good talent has gone to other sports.
Thanks, bbscout...I think you said it all.
Doug,
I know where you’re coming from, but we don’t always see that disparity for some reason. Do you think the Upton’s. Delmon, Milledge, McCutchen, Nelson, Fowler, Weeks, Fielder, Willis, etc. and even the Carl Crawford football situation is having any impact at all.
Here are 10 of several star athletes who attended our national showcase at Turner Field last year. These are all wide receivers, running backs, QBs and/or basketball stars. They’re also very highest level baseball players.
Derrick Robinson: star football/baseball prospect who s the fastest player in high school. He ran a record breaking “laser” time of 6.19 in Atlanta. Signed football at U of Florida, wants to play baseball. One of the best athletes (any sport) in the country.
Riley Cooper: One of the top rated football players in the nation. Big and strong the 6-3/200 OF ran a 6.29 – 60 in Atlanta. He also signed football with Florida. Wanted to play baseball. Real 5 tool guy! One of the best athletes (any sport) in the country
Toby Gerhart: Another top football record breaking star with amazing baseball ability. He ran a 6.35 in Atlanta. Signed with Stanford. Wants baseball. Had the highest Sparq rating of any player on the West Coast. One of the best athletes (any sport) in the country
Brent Brewer: Another of the nation’s top football recruits and baseball prospects. He ran a 6.28 in Atlanta. Signed football with Florida State. Loves baseball the most. One of the best athletes (any sport) in the country.
Drew Rundle: Another star football player who ran 6.7 in Atlanta and does everything well. He signed with Arizona. 3 sport star will play baseball. Great athlete.
Jared Mitchell: Yet another star football player who ran a 6.69 in Atlanta. He has signed with LSU. Wants baseball over football. Legendary HS football player. One of the best athletes (any sport) in the countr
Ryan Adams: Is a true baseball athlete, but one of the very best. He also signed with LSU. Used to be one of the best football player in Louisiana.
Jeff Rapoport Is yet another record breaking football back. He ran 6.4 in Atlanta. He has signed with UCLA. He might be better at football but wants baseball.
Dominic Brown: A 6-6 big wide receiver recruited to play at Miami. He ran a 6.7 and throws close to 90. Basketball, football, baseball star, baseball is his first love but he might be better at the other sports.
D’Vontrey Richardson: Another super star football athlete. He ran a 6.4 and does everything real easily. Football might win him. Signed football at Florida State
I could name a lot more. By the way, most all these guys have been recognized and ranked high by the football scouting groups. 50% of those above are White.
I know where you’re coming from, but we don’t always see that disparity for some reason. Do you think the Upton’s. Delmon, Milledge, McCutchen, Nelson, Fowler, Weeks, Fielder, Willis, etc. and even the Carl Crawford football situation is having any impact at all.
Here are 10 of several star athletes who attended our national showcase at Turner Field last year. These are all wide receivers, running backs, QBs and/or basketball stars. They’re also very highest level baseball players.
Derrick Robinson: star football/baseball prospect who s the fastest player in high school. He ran a record breaking “laser” time of 6.19 in Atlanta. Signed football at U of Florida, wants to play baseball. One of the best athletes (any sport) in the country.
Riley Cooper: One of the top rated football players in the nation. Big and strong the 6-3/200 OF ran a 6.29 – 60 in Atlanta. He also signed football with Florida. Wanted to play baseball. Real 5 tool guy! One of the best athletes (any sport) in the country
Toby Gerhart: Another top football record breaking star with amazing baseball ability. He ran a 6.35 in Atlanta. Signed with Stanford. Wants baseball. Had the highest Sparq rating of any player on the West Coast. One of the best athletes (any sport) in the country
Brent Brewer: Another of the nation’s top football recruits and baseball prospects. He ran a 6.28 in Atlanta. Signed football with Florida State. Loves baseball the most. One of the best athletes (any sport) in the country.
Drew Rundle: Another star football player who ran 6.7 in Atlanta and does everything well. He signed with Arizona. 3 sport star will play baseball. Great athlete.
Jared Mitchell: Yet another star football player who ran a 6.69 in Atlanta. He has signed with LSU. Wants baseball over football. Legendary HS football player. One of the best athletes (any sport) in the countr
Ryan Adams: Is a true baseball athlete, but one of the very best. He also signed with LSU. Used to be one of the best football player in Louisiana.
Jeff Rapoport Is yet another record breaking football back. He ran 6.4 in Atlanta. He has signed with UCLA. He might be better at football but wants baseball.
Dominic Brown: A 6-6 big wide receiver recruited to play at Miami. He ran a 6.7 and throws close to 90. Basketball, football, baseball star, baseball is his first love but he might be better at the other sports.
D’Vontrey Richardson: Another super star football athlete. He ran a 6.4 and does everything real easily. Football might win him. Signed football at Florida State
I could name a lot more. By the way, most all these guys have been recognized and ranked high by the football scouting groups. 50% of those above are White.
quote:Originally posted by E-6:
Why are only six percent of college baseball players are black?
http://www.tallahassee.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/2...PORTS/605140330/1031
Because the other 94% are not.
bbscout,
Say's.
The college coaches go to the top summer events and they offer sholarships to the best of what they see. What they see are a bunch of rich white kids playing baseball.
Is every Kid that goes to these EVENT'S, RICH?
bbscout, Are you saying that All the Kid's that go to these EVENT'S, don't have any TALENT at all.
When You pick your AREACODE Team, Do you turn your back
on RICH kid's.
I remember growing up in the sixty's, There wasn't a GYM on every corner for us growing up.
We did not have a Football Program in my town.
Baseball was played on a dirt field, and we never left town to play.
I work my BUTT off every single day, I mean every single day.
To give my Son every Opportunity to succeed.
By the Way my son's Summer Team is Full Of every Color Kid you can think of.
So give some Parent's a Break if they want something better for there child, then what they had when they were growing up.
JMHO the EH
Say's.
The college coaches go to the top summer events and they offer sholarships to the best of what they see. What they see are a bunch of rich white kids playing baseball.
Is every Kid that goes to these EVENT'S, RICH?
bbscout, Are you saying that All the Kid's that go to these EVENT'S, don't have any TALENT at all.
When You pick your AREACODE Team, Do you turn your back
on RICH kid's.
I remember growing up in the sixty's, There wasn't a GYM on every corner for us growing up.
We did not have a Football Program in my town.
Baseball was played on a dirt field, and we never left town to play.
I work my BUTT off every single day, I mean every single day.
To give my Son every Opportunity to succeed.
By the Way my son's Summer Team is Full Of every Color Kid you can think of.
So give some Parent's a Break if they want something better for there child, then what they had when they were growing up.
JMHO the EH
Does it really matter what color the player is???????????
gogolf,
I can say in all certainty, it makes no difference to me... Rich or poor, black or white or other. Furthermore I'm fairly certain it makes no difference to scouts or college coaches. If it did they should get out of the business.
I can say in all certainty, it makes no difference to me... Rich or poor, black or white or other. Furthermore I'm fairly certain it makes no difference to scouts or college coaches. If it did they should get out of the business.
You know I have never seen a line on a PG form or our own asking the player to give his race/ethnic background and nowhere in any report I have ever read have I seen race/ethnic background mentioned.
A BALLPLAYER IS A BALLPLAYER IS A BALLPLAYER !!!
That is it--plain and simple
Now lets close this thread and begin the tryouts for next years American Idol !!
A BALLPLAYER IS A BALLPLAYER IS A BALLPLAYER !!!
That is it--plain and simple
Now lets close this thread and begin the tryouts for next years American Idol !!
TRhit
I'm a Soulman dododo-dododo I'm a Soulman,
I was brought up, on the side street's.
and I don't care, whomever I meet.
Cause,
I'm a Soulman dododo-dododo I'm a Soulman
quote:A BALLPLAYER IS A BALLPLAYER IS A BALLPLAYER !!!
I'm a Soulman dododo-dododo I'm a Soulman,
I was brought up, on the side street's.
and I don't care, whomever I meet.
Cause,
I'm a Soulman dododo-dododo I'm a Soulman
quote:Originally posted by theEH:
bbscout,
Say's.
The college coaches go to the top summer events and they offer sholarships to the best of what they see. What they see are a bunch of rich white kids playing baseball.
Is every Kid that goes to these EVENT'S, RICH?
bbscout, Are you saying that All the Kid's that go to these EVENT'S, don't have any TALENT at all.
When You pick your AREACODE Team, Do you turn your back
on RICH kid's.
I remember growing up in the sixty's, There wasn't a GYM on every corner for us growing up.
We did not have a Football Program in my town.
Baseball was played on a dirt field, and we never left town to play.
I work my BUTT off every single day, I mean every single day.
To give my Son every Opportunity to succeed.
By the Way my son's Summer Team is Full Of every Color Kid you can think of.
So give some Parent's a Break if they want something better for there child, then what they had when they were growing up.
JMHO the EH
It sounds like you want me to give rich white parents a break when this thread is about the lack of Black kids in College baseball.
Here is a quiz for you: Do you know what the percentage of Black American players was in the Big Leagues in 1969? Do you know what the percentage of Black American players in the Big Leagues is right now? Do you know how many Black American "Starting pitchers" there are in the Big Leagues right now?
The parents that pop for 5-20 grand every summer are not poor people. As far as the Area Code games go, my teams from 10-15 years ago would kick the starch out of the teams from the past 5 years. In fact, I would put up the teams from the early to mid 90's in just N. California against this years all star team from all over the west and it would be no contest.
Of course, the teams I had back then were heavy with black inner city kids and middle to lower income white kids. The Area COde Games don't charge a dime for the kids to play and the N. Cal scouts back then paid the hotel rooms and meal money for the poor kids.
quote:Originally posted by TRhit:
You know I have never seen a line on a PG form or our own asking the player to give his race/ethnic background and nowhere in any report I have ever read have I seen race/ethnic background mentioned.
A BALLPLAYER IS A BALLPLAYER IS A BALLPLAYER !!!
That is it--plain and simple
Now lets close this thread and begin the tryouts for next years American Idol !!
TR, I bet there is an address where to send a check if you want to play.
hmm, very interesting, it appears things DID change after 1994quote:In 1994 I had the best area code team that I ever had and 6 of the starting 9 were black. The last year I ran the team in 2001, I had 1 black kid on my team, and he was a friend of a friend.
so scout, here's a quiz for you ...
how many good athletes and fans (all races) were driven away from baseball to other sports by YOUR strike??
btw, you don't have to answer if it's easier to just blame race & economics
but, if you gotta have someone to blame for athletes choosing other sports,
go stand in front of a mirror, again it was YOUR srtike
bbscout
And your point is ?
And your point is ?
I'm not so smart, but I think his point is that the most important color in amateur baseball is green. I can't really disagree. Upper middle class I'm not so sure about, but it is definately solid middle class, with tens of thousands of kids touring the country in Chevy Suburbans and Tahoes all summer starting at age 14, or earlier. That takes cash and lots of it.
The days of immigrants playing free sandlot games in the park, getting signed by the old cigar chomping scout, or the local college coach are pretty much long gone, if they ever existed at all.
The days of immigrants playing free sandlot games in the park, getting signed by the old cigar chomping scout, or the local college coach are pretty much long gone, if they ever existed at all.