why doesn't D3 use wood bats?

Pretty simple - DIII's don't have big contracts, but they still get free bats.

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But I don't get why D3 doesn't hit with wood.

Nor, do they have large operating budgets. Wood would not make sense financially.

You can look up your schools operating budget using this tool. Equity in Athletics Data Analysis


Ex. Amherst (D3 - NESCAC) is $95K operating budget in 2012 while UMass Amherst (D1- Atlantic 10) is $180K. It is almost double. When you plug-in some SEC and ACC schools then the numbers get big in a hurry.

freddy,

Just curious, why do you prefer a 0.50 BBCOR wood composite bat over a 0.50 BBCOR graphite-fiber composite bat?

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Originally posted by MidAtlanticDad:
freddy,

Just curious, why do you prefer a 0.50 BBCOR wood composite bat over a 0.50 BBCOR graphite-fiber composite bat?

Maybe he's a pitcher.

Aren’t there a few schools that use wood bats? I thought there were.

We used composite wooden bats in the Valley League for 44 summer games, plus playoffs. You can buy 5-6 for around $120 apiece and make it through the season. Most manufacturers will replace any that break during the season. Many teams have had bats make it through the entire summer. We broke 3-4 last summer.

These bats act and sound like wood, are in fact made of wood, and are approved for use in our league by MLB.

I know of no reason why colleges can't go to these...unless their contracts provide otherwise.

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Originally posted by fenwaysouth:

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But I don't get why D3 doesn't hit with wood.

Nor, do they have large operating budgets. Wood would not make sense financially.

You can look up your schools operating budget using this tool. Equity in Athletics Data Analysis


Ex. Amherst (D3 - NESCAC) is $95K operating budget in 2012 while UMass Amherst (D1- Atlantic 10) is $180K. It is almost double. When you plug-in some SEC and ACC schools then the numbers get big in a hurry.

Wow! That link is fascinating. Punched in all of the schools 2013 had been talking to and the quality of the facilities and number of coaches directly correlate to the program budgets. Just amazing to see some DIs with significantly lower baseball budgets than the DIII he committed to.

I agree, interesting link.

Fenway,

Great info from that link. Where do I go to get back all the time I'll lose there?

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Originally posted by bballdad2016:
Aren’t there a few schools that use wood bats? I thought there were.

There are a couple of D2 conferences in the northeast that use wood. They have been doing this for while now. Some conferences are pushing for all of D2 to go to wood bats.

This article is two years old but it shows how serious NCAA D2 is about changing to wood bats.

http://www.ncaa.org/blog/2010/...-crack-at-wood-bats/

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'15 Dad asked - Where do I go to get back all the time I'll lose there?

You go to the golf course. I'll write you a note.

The web site related to expenses provided is helpful, but keep in mind it may not be apples to apples. For example, my son's D3 team has a personal fundraising expectation of $1,200 per player in order to fund the Florida portion of their schedule. The website suggests their per player costs are just over $800, so it's clear the cost related to that fundraising is not there and perhaps some 'off balance sheet' accounting is going on.

RedSoxFan,

Really? So they expect your son to go out and raise an additional $1,200 for his trip? Does that money go to the program and then spent on travel or is he booking his trip?

This seems very unusual to me. I know my son's program had a booster club that raised tens of thousands of dollars per year for the program, but as far as I know all of this was spent by the program.

Some time ago when I talked to the Education department about their data they said that all booster money raised and spent should have been accounted for in their numbers.

I guess we are about to hijack this thread...sorry.

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Originally posted by fenwaysouth:

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'15 Dad asked - Where do I go to get back all the time I'll lose there?

You go to the golf course. I'll write you a note.

Brilliant! I didn't know it worked that way. I learn so much here.

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RedSoxFan21 posted...For example, my son's D3 team has a personal fundraising expectation of $1,200 per player in order to fund the Florida portion of their schedule. The website suggests their per player costs are just over $800, so it's clear the cost related to that fundraising is not there and perhaps some 'off balance sheet' accounting is going on.

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BOF posted....Some time ago when I talked to the Education department about their data they said that all booster money raised and spent should have been accounted for in their numbers.

BOFs statement is in line with what I thought. Boosters send money to the booster club (503-c) that in turn gives the money to the athletic dept or a specific sport. Self funding is also an option, and may be the case here with RedSoxDad21. So that would be a different question. In my mind the question is....Is self funded or partially self funded programs numbers reflected (or required) to be reported to the government? If that is the right question, hopefully someone knows the answer.

The higher costs accociated with using wood bats is just a myth. Reported costs of using GOOD wood bats is not significant. Using Dick's $39 bats is not the answer. We have used hickory and MLB maple with VERY little breakage. The quality of the bat is what makes the difference. AND I am not talking about $120 bats,...more like $80. The hickory bats have made some players give up their $400 metal bats that might be ruled illegal at any time like they were last year and left players high and dry without a legal bat for 2-3 weekds.

Here's the definition of expenses from the website:

Operating (Game Day) Expenses

Definition:

All expenses an institution incurs attributable to home, away, and neutral-site intercollegiate athletic contests (commonly known as game-day expenses), for (A) Lodging, meals, transportation, uniforms, and equipment for coaches, team members, support staff (including, but not limited to team managers and trainers), and others; and (B) Officials.

And revenue:


Revenues



Definition:

All revenues attributable to intercollegiate athletic activities. This includes revenues from appearance guarantees and options, contributions from alumni and others, institutional royalties, signage and other sponsorships, sport camps, state or other government support, student activity fees, ticket and luxury box sales, and any other revenues attributable to intercollegiate athletic activities.

fenway,

There is a whole thread on the subject of this website over on the rivals site, and according to some people there, (which makes sense when you read it) that there is some serious issues as far as what this data actually is on the site.

Here is the thread for those interested in these things.

http://collegebaseball.rivals....130&sid=1169&style=2

As far as going with wood in DIII, we can all hope but it is not going to happen IMO.