The NBA, NFL and MLB are dreaming up ways to play amid a pandemic, with talk of isolating players in Arizona or Las Vegas or maybe on the moon. It all sounds great, until you talk to people who actually know science.
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You can forget NCAA football too.
Nonamedad posted:You can forget NCAA football too.
Too much money. They will play without fans for the TV revenue. Which will be off the charts.
Aren’t the TV contracts already set? Any upside in TV revenues would go to the TV partners who could charge for higher advertising spots. The schools would get their predetermined revenue amounts.
Hearing NCAA football will be travel restricted, no fans or CANCELLED.
As discussed in the other threads...the problem with this idea is becoming more apparent each day. The medical professionals, scientists, and projectors have largely been very off and arguably flat wrong with a lot of this. I think fall sports will be ok, with some adjustments, because the tide is turning with the public. Case in point, just look up what the KY governor and MI governor have ordered within the past 24 hours and the backlash it's creating.
I think a lot of you are going to be really surprised at how soon we come out of this.
baseballhs posted:I think a lot of you are going to be really surprised at how soon we come out of this.
I think you are right about this. We're not going to go on indefinitely on lock down until a vaccine is found (a year or more), or 80% of the population has gotten sick over a 2.5 year period. We're going to open up when it becomes politically necessary to get the economy moving again, which won't be long.
I'm somewhat optimistic that we will see sports but regarding the current numbers they are probably also to some degree a result of the lockdown and there is a chance we see a big second wave requiring another lockdown.
I could see some kind of opening in mid May and then everything depends on how what works. If the numbers stay ok then I could see sports in July or so. But if there is a big second wave and a second lockdown sports might be over for most of 2020.
Agreed, I’m tired of these politicians closing things way ahead, like 4th of July celebrations, seriously? 2.5 mos out.
Dominik85 posted:I'm somewhat optimistic that we will see sports but regarding the current numbers they are probably also to some degree a result of the lockdown and there is a chance we see a big second wave requiring another lockdown.
I could see some kind of opening in mid May and then everything depends on how what works. If the numbers stay ok then I could see sports in July or so. But if there is a big second wave and a second lockdown sports might be over for most of 2020.
I doubt we have another lockdown if/when there is a second wave. By that point we’ll (hopefully) be more prepared as a nation. You may see small areas locked down, but not the entire country
I can understand cancelling stuff like the Olympic games early because that requires so much organisation and a late cancellation would be even more expensive but I agree about not cancelling team sports several months ahead.
Just say we try everything to do it but circumstances might require a cancellation on short notice.
Dadof3 posted:Agreed, I’m tired of these politicians closing things way ahead, like 4th of July celebrations, seriously? 2.5 mos out.
I agree, but I know some were cancelled locally so vendors could get out of their contracts in time without losing significant deposits. It may be possible to hold those events, just on a much smaller scale
Masters is back on 2nd week of November. 85,000 people from around the world to Augusta, Georgia for 7 days in a row. I don't know.... but imagine how many baseball players (that have never been able to go before) will be there if it's open to the public.
Baseball guy: Masters is in November! Shoot that's all you had to say.
If we have no college football/basketball will there be the funds available to have the non-profitable spring sports?
RJM - I assume you were talking about the United States.....but it is a big world out there.
If anybody is up for some South Korean professional baseball (KBO) , I think there is a chance you might see something in mid-May 2020 (given the times we live in, I did confirm the year). My source is pretty solid. Frankly, I didn't believe it at first but apparently South Korea is somehow past this or is willing to take the risk. Their professional league is much different from ours and sponsors/teams are very large corporations. I don't know if that has much to do with the decision, but it has made me wonder.
I'm temporarily trading my favorite (and very ratty) navy blue Red Sox cap for an Seoul LG Twins cap. Go Twins!
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Freeway; your comment brings back memories of our American HS Team playing the Korea National Team. Lemmie Miller, one of our Coaches and former LA Dodger and I attended a PRO Game at the Downtown Stadium.
The Samsung Tigers had "cheer girls" dancing on the dugout roof. The Korean players played like "movie star" entertainers. See the videos.
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baseballhs posted:I think a lot of you are going to be really surprised at how soon we come out of this.
We’re going back to work sometime between May 1 and June 1 with caution directives. I believe it will be months before we get back to normal. One of my homes is in a tourist town. I can’t picture crowded sidewalks and packed restaurants this summer.
fenwaysouth posted:RJM - I assume you were talking about the United States.....but it is a big world out there.
If anybody is up for some South Korean professional baseball (KBO) , I think there is a chance you might see something in mid-May 2020 (given the times we live in, I did confirm the year). My source is pretty solid. Frankly, I didn't believe it at first but apparently South Korea is somehow past this or is willing to take the risk. Their professional league is much different from ours and sponsors/teams are very large corporations. I don't know if that has much to do with the decision, but it has made me wonder.
I'm temporarily trading my favorite (and very ratty) navy blue Red Sox cap for an Seoul LG Twins cap. Go Twins!
MLB baseball has become so dragged out and boring I have trouble watching the Sox. I can’t imagine watching unfamiliar teams from other countries. I haven’t had the urge to watch any “classic” games of any sports other than watching the 4th quarter of the Patriots 28-3 comeback and the ninth inning of the 2004 WS.
I watched all of Game 6 from the 1986 World Series last week. I recommend it highly to any Red Sox fan. Two guys named Scully and Garagiola were the announcers. They did a good job!
Do you all realize what an absolute echo chamber this website has become? Group of 5-6 pro “let’s get back to normal now” posters, countered by a group of 5-6 “we have to be prudent” posters.
Fact of the matter is non of us really know jack sh1t about what the politicians are going to do about opening up the economy, and really, what impact opening the economy will even have on life. I can tell you this, my son’s university was very quick to get kids off campus and in an online classroom. Was this due to an incredible care for their students, faculty and staff health? Was it a premeditated move to alleviate themselves from culpability should they have an outbreak at the school and get sued by some who may contract it and die in that environment? Probably both.
The biggest wildcard in all of this is not the economy, stupid. It’s human behavior and survival instinct. If, as seems to be playing out, 1/2 the nation’s population centers feel they need/want to practice social distancing and not put themselves at risk, for their own good or for society’s good, then that will still have an enormous impact on our economy. If the naysayers jump back in the pool in a reckless way, and this swings through their communities, then the ripple effect will take place.
I think individual decisions on our comfort and willingness to accept risk are going to be a far bigger factor in how this all plays out economically than an arbitrary decision to restart the economy.
This country was set up to allow the individual states to chart their own path “States Rights” ....even got into a little tiff called the Civil War about it. Bottom line for me is New York and parts of New Jersey have as many cases of CV as the rest of the country combined. Probably should lock those areas down for a while, but let the rest of the states gradually and PRUDENTLY open up. Plus Americans aren’t gonna put up with the lock down much longer anyways.
RJM posted:baseballhs posted:I think a lot of you are going to be really surprised at how soon we come out of this.
We’re going back to work sometime between May 1 and June 1 with caution directives. I believe it will be months before we get back to normal. One of my homes is in a tourist town. I can’t picture crowded sidewalks and packed restaurants this summer.
I think that too. People will have to go back to work again but there won't be a big opening suddenly.
More important things like school and most types of work will come back under big security measures (masks, maybe even some kind of safety suits) but many free time activities and travel will take months to get back to normal.
Opening will be a gradual thing, not a big opening day for everything.
collegebaseballrecruitingguide posted:Do you all realize what an absolute echo chamber this website has become? Group of 5-6 pro “let’s get back to normal now” posters, countered by a group of 5-6 “we have to be prudent” posters.
Fact of the matter is non of us really know jack sh1t about what the politicians are going to do about opening up the economy, and really, what impact opening the economy will even have on life. I can tell you this, my son’s university was very quick to get kids off campus and in an online classroom. Was this due to an incredible care for their students, faculty and staff health? Was it a premeditated move to alleviate themselves from culpability should they have an outbreak at the school and get sued by some who may contract it and die in that environment? Probably both.
The biggest wildcard in all of this is not the economy, stupid. It’s human behavior and survival instinct. If, as seems to be playing out, 1/2 the nation’s population centers feel they need/want to practice social distancing and not put themselves at risk, for their own good or for society’s good, then that will still have an enormous impact on our economy. If the naysayers jump back in the pool in a reckless way, and this swings through their communities, then the ripple effect will take place.
I think individual decisions on our comfort and willingness to accept risk are going to be a far bigger factor in how this all plays out economically than an arbitrary decision to restart the economy.
Do you thing losing jobs, going broke and losing homes will change social behavior? 40% of America can’t pay a surprise $1000 bill without pulling out a credit card.
When I saw what was coming I left my home in Massachusetts for my home in Maine. The death projection has been dropped from over 300 to sixty. One non elderly person without preexisting conditions in a nursing home has died. No one had died in two days. So what does the governor do yesterday? She thinks we’re NYC! She orders us to wear masks to enter grocery stores. There’s already a seventy customer limit in the store. The odds of a healthy person dying of COVID in Maine is five times less than being killed by a car crossing the street.
Hopefully I will get to see my son play this summer before school starts up again. Sure I'll be wary that they may come back to soon. Usually I like to be as close as possible to the action because I like to take pictures, keep score and hear some of the "sounds" of the game. This year though I may want to keep my social distance and get a seat like this one:
Dadof3 posted:Agreed, I’m tired of these politicians closing things way ahead, like 4th of July celebrations, seriously? 2.5 mos out.
Part of that is because major celebrations take a lot of planning. Money and effort needs to be put down well ahead of time. Both can be saved if early notice is given.
RJM posted:collegebaseballrecruitingguide posted:Do you all realize what an absolute echo chamber this website has become? Group of 5-6 pro “let’s get back to normal now” posters, countered by a group of 5-6 “we have to be prudent” posters.
Fact of the matter is non of us really know jack sh1t about what the politicians are going to do about opening up the economy, and really, what impact opening the economy will even have on life. I can tell you this, my son’s university was very quick to get kids off campus and in an online classroom. Was this due to an incredible care for their students, faculty and staff health? Was it a premeditated move to alleviate themselves from culpability should they have an outbreak at the school and get sued by some who may contract it and die in that environment? Probably both.
The biggest wildcard in all of this is not the economy, stupid. It’s human behavior and survival instinct. If, as seems to be playing out, 1/2 the nation’s population centers feel they need/want to practice social distancing and not put themselves at risk, for their own good or for society’s good, then that will still have an enormous impact on our economy. If the naysayers jump back in the pool in a reckless way, and this swings through their communities, then the ripple effect will take place.
I think individual decisions on our comfort and willingness to accept risk are going to be a far bigger factor in how this all plays out economically than an arbitrary decision to restart the economy.
Do you thing losing jobs, going broke and losing homes will change social behavior? 40% of America can’t pay a surprise $1000 bill without pulling out a credit card.
When I saw what was coming I left my home in Massachusetts for my home in Maine. The death projection has been dropped from over 300 to sixty. One one non elderly person without preexisting conditions in a nursing home has died. No one had died in two days. So what does the governor do yesterday? She thinks we’re NYC! She orders us to wear masks to enter grocery stores. There’s already a seventy customer limit in the store. The odds of a healthy person dying of COVID in Maine is five times less than being killed by a car crossing the street.
It has gotten so out of hand now outside of the hotspot with these reactions. Thank God a judge overruled the KY governor about banning drive thru church. Now a 6 year old girl, by herself shooting hoops, was removed by police to shut it down. MI you can't buy garden seeds or paint.
Remember how we were told we need to do this to flatten the curve so our healthcare system wouldn't collapse? Well now what. The narrative has changed to now we must stay down so that there are no cases or death (per Fauci). And we as society as a whole just eat it up.
Hospitals outside of NYC are hurting because they are empty in anticipation. At some point we have to decide most areas are being too precautionary. I’m up for a gradual opening.
Lets get back to sports... The question I have about team sports is, if one person on a team gets the virus, does the whole team have to quarantine for 14 days? Because then, obviously you couldn't have a season. Or, do you really completely quarantine them all for 14 days before you start playing, and then keep them all strictly quarantined? It hardly seems that could work. Or, do you just say, what the heck, everyone's going to get it, we'll deal with it one case at a time? But, what if half your team is out sick at once? Do you just forfeit? Or, do you create just a few teams, made up of people who are tested and have antibodies?
New things happen every day; maybe they will develop a treatment that makes it less serious. That's the only way I can see it working.
It’s not serious for the majority of people. The flu is more serious percentage wise for those that get it.
If one person on a team gets the virus, does the whole team have to quarantine for 14 days?
Yes, and the other team on the field. It’s why the MLB plan in FL and AZ won’t work.
RJM posted:If one person on a team gets the virus, does the whole team have to quarantine for 14 days?
Yes, and the other team on the field. It’s why the MLB plan in FL and AZ won’t work.
Couldn't this be mitigated with testing? I guess there are still 'false negatives' with many of them, but if they ever can get a good test, you'd think they would be able to keep any quarantine down to a couple of days. Money shouldn't be an issue, as testing all the players is much less than they'd make for that one game, right?
Baseballhs, that is so misleading. Strong evidence shows those younger than 40 transmit the disease even if they are without symptoms. There is mounting evidence that while less than those 60 and over, those 20-40 develop serious disease in important numbers. More recent medical information shows those infected can have serious heart damage, potentially because the virus infects the heart and lungs.
There is a great YouTube!podcast done by Ted Robinson with Andy Dolich and Pat Gallagher. Andy and Pat know the business of professional baseball. Ted is a world class broadcaster who does work for the PAC 12.
Putting on a college or professional sports event involves so many more people than the players. Even if the players were not at risk (which the severity and duration of the exposure suggests they could be,) there are so many who are at risk even at lesser exposure.
Viking0 posted:RJM posted:If one person on a team gets the virus, does the whole team have to quarantine for 14 days?
Yes, and the other team on the field. It’s why the MLB plan in FL and AZ won’t work.
Couldn't this be mitigated with testing? I guess there are still 'false negatives' with many of them, but if they ever can get a good test, you'd think they would be able to keep any quarantine down to a couple of days. Money shouldn't be an issue, as testing all the players is much less than they'd make for that one game, right?
Why should athletes gain access to testing before other people?
RJM posted:collegebaseballrecruitingguide posted:Do you all realize what an absolute echo chamber this website has become? Group of 5-6 pro “let’s get back to normal now” posters, countered by a group of 5-6 “we have to be prudent” posters.
Fact of the matter is non of us really know jack sh1t about what the politicians are going to do about opening up the economy, and really, what impact opening the economy will even have on life. I can tell you this, my son’s university was very quick to get kids off campus and in an online classroom. Was this due to an incredible care for their students, faculty and staff health? Was it a premeditated move to alleviate themselves from culpability should they have an outbreak at the school and get sued by some who may contract it and die in that environment? Probably both.
The biggest wildcard in all of this is not the economy, stupid. It’s human behavior and survival instinct. If, as seems to be playing out, 1/2 the nation’s population centers feel they need/want to practice social distancing and not put themselves at risk, for their own good or for society’s good, then that will still have an enormous impact on our economy. If the naysayers jump back in the pool in a reckless way, and this swings through their communities, then the ripple effect will take place.
I think individual decisions on our comfort and willingness to accept risk are going to be a far bigger factor in how this all plays out economically than an arbitrary decision to restart the economy.
Do you thing losing jobs, going broke and losing homes will change social behavior? 40% of America can’t pay a surprise $1000 bill without pulling out a credit card.
When I saw what was coming I left my home in Massachusetts for my home in Maine. The death projection has been dropped from over 300 to sixty. One non elderly person without preexisting conditions in a nursing home has died. No one had died in two days. So what does the governor do yesterday? She thinks we’re NYC! She orders us to wear masks to enter grocery stores. There’s already a seventy customer limit in the store. The odds of a healthy person dying of COVID in Maine is five times less than being killed by a car crossing the street.
Do you think that perhaps those numbers are low because a large number of people are doing the appropriate things? Social distancing, washing hands...etc? There is cause and effect.
James G posted:RJM posted:collegebaseballrecruitingguide posted:Do you all realize what an absolute echo chamber this website has become? Group of 5-6 pro “let’s get back to normal now” posters, countered by a group of 5-6 “we have to be prudent” posters.
Fact of the matter is non of us really know jack sh1t about what the politicians are going to do about opening up the economy, and really, what impact opening the economy will even have on life. I can tell you this, my son’s university was very quick to get kids off campus and in an online classroom. Was this due to an incredible care for their students, faculty and staff health? Was it a premeditated move to alleviate themselves from culpability should they have an outbreak at the school and get sued by some who may contract it and die in that environment? Probably both.
The biggest wildcard in all of this is not the economy, stupid. It’s human behavior and survival instinct. If, as seems to be playing out, 1/2 the nation’s population centers feel they need/want to practice social distancing and not put themselves at risk, for their own good or for society’s good, then that will still have an enormous impact on our economy. If the naysayers jump back in the pool in a reckless way, and this swings through their communities, then the ripple effect will take place.
I think individual decisions on our comfort and willingness to accept risk are going to be a far bigger factor in how this all plays out economically than an arbitrary decision to restart the economy.
Do you thing losing jobs, going broke and losing homes will change social behavior? 40% of America can’t pay a surprise $1000 bill without pulling out a credit card.
When I saw what was coming I left my home in Massachusetts for my home in Maine. The death projection has been dropped from over 300 to sixty. One one non elderly person without preexisting conditions in a nursing home has died. No one had died in two days. So what does the governor do yesterday? She thinks we’re NYC! She orders us to wear masks to enter grocery stores. There’s already a seventy customer limit in the store. The odds of a healthy person dying of COVID in Maine is five times less than being killed by a car crossing the street.
It has gotten so out of hand now outside of the hotspot with these reactions. Thank God a judge overruled the KY governor about banning drive thru church. Now a 6 year old girl, by herself shooting hoops, was removed by police to shut it down. MI you can't buy garden seeds or paint.
Remember how we were told we need to do this to flatten the curve so our healthcare system wouldn't collapse? Well now what. The narrative has changed to now we must stay down so that there are no cases or death (per Fauci). And we as society as a whole just eat it up.
What in the world are you even talking about?
collegebaseballrecruitingguide posted:RJM posted:collegebaseballrecruitingguide posted:Do you all realize what an absolute echo chamber this website has become? Group of 5-6 pro “let’s get back to normal now” posters, countered by a group of 5-6 “we have to be prudent” posters.
Fact of the matter is non of us really know jack sh1t about what the politicians are going to do about opening up the economy, and really, what impact opening the economy will even have on life. I can tell you this, my son’s university was very quick to get kids off campus and in an online classroom. Was this due to an incredible care for their students, faculty and staff health? Was it a premeditated move to alleviate themselves from culpability should they have an outbreak at the school and get sued by some who may contract it and die in that environment? Probably both.
The biggest wildcard in all of this is not the economy, stupid. It’s human behavior and survival instinct. If, as seems to be playing out, 1/2 the nation’s population centers feel they need/want to practice social distancing and not put themselves at risk, for their own good or for society’s good, then that will still have an enormous impact on our economy. If the naysayers jump back in the pool in a reckless way, and this swings through their communities, then the ripple effect will take place.
I think individual decisions on our comfort and willingness to accept risk are going to be a far bigger factor in how this all plays out economically than an arbitrary decision to restart the economy.
Do you thing losing jobs, going broke and losing homes will change social behavior? 40% of America can’t pay a surprise $1000 bill without pulling out a credit card.
When I saw what was coming I left my home in Massachusetts for my home in Maine. The death projection has been dropped from over 300 to sixty. One non elderly person without preexisting conditions in a nursing home has died. No one had died in two days. So what does the governor do yesterday? She thinks we’re NYC! She orders us to wear masks to enter grocery stores. There’s already a seventy customer limit in the store. The odds of a healthy person dying of COVID in Maine is five times less than being killed by a car crossing the street.
Do you think that perhaps those numbers are low because a large number of people are doing the appropriate things? Social distancing, washing hands...etc? There is cause and effect.
Those models projecting the deaths, specifically the IHME model already took into account perfect social distancing measures through May. So when they said there would be 200K deaths, that was with them saying full complicit social distancing. So to go from 200 to 93 to 81 to 60K projection (for nation) does not make sense with saying it must be due to social distancing. They were projecting that in the model. And we all know many people aren't really following protocol- so I guess you can argue how that projection number shouldn't be HIGHER now. Something isn't making sense, and we aren't getting an explanation. It's one thing to take it serious, and it's another to make life altering decisions on projections that have been shown to be completely off multiple times in a row.
collegebaseballrecruitingguide posted:RJM posted:collegebaseballrecruitingguide posted:Do you all realize what an absolute echo chamber this website has become? Group of 5-6 pro “let’s get back to normal now” posters, countered by a group of 5-6 “we have to be prudent” posters.
Fact of the matter is non of us really know jack sh1t about what the politicians are going to do about opening up the economy, and really, what impact opening the economy will even have on life. I can tell you this, my son’s university was very quick to get kids off campus and in an online classroom. Was this due to an incredible care for their students, faculty and staff health? Was it a premeditated move to alleviate themselves from culpability should they have an outbreak at the school and get sued by some who may contract it and die in that environment? Probably both.
The biggest wildcard in all of this is not the economy, stupid. It’s human behavior and survival instinct. If, as seems to be playing out, 1/2 the nation’s population centers feel they need/want to practice social distancing and not put themselves at risk, for their own good or for society’s good, then that will still have an enormous impact on our economy. If the naysayers jump back in the pool in a reckless way, and this swings through their communities, then the ripple effect will take place.
I think individual decisions on our comfort and willingness to accept risk are going to be a far bigger factor in how this all plays out economically than an arbitrary decision to restart the economy.
Do you thing losing jobs, going broke and losing homes will change social behavior? 40% of America can’t pay a surprise $1000 bill without pulling out a credit card.
When I saw what was coming I left my home in Massachusetts for my home in Maine. The death projection has been dropped from over 300 to sixty. One non elderly person without preexisting conditions in a nursing home has died. No one had died in two days. So what does the governor do yesterday? She thinks we’re NYC! She orders us to wear masks to enter grocery stores. There’s already a seventy customer limit in the store. The odds of a healthy person dying of COVID in Maine is five times less than being killed by a car crossing the street.
Do you think that perhaps those numbers are low because a large number of people are doing the appropriate things? Social distancing, washing hands...etc? There is cause and effect.
Everything you’re suggesting was calculated into the originals numbers. The reality is COVID, while an issue wasn’t as much of an issue as was feared. The issue I have is you can’t treat Maine like it’s NYC. Portland, the largest city is very suburban. The population density is 3,000 per square miles. The suburb I grew up in Massachusetts is more populated and denser. NYC is 27,000 per square mile.
The biggest issue is China wasn’t straight forward with data. We had no idea what occurred in densely populated areas versus less populated areas. Most importantly there are researchers who believe had China been honest from the beginning 95% of the deaths outside China could have been prevented.
James G posted:collegebaseballrecruitingguide posted:RJM posted:collegebaseballrecruitingguide posted:Do you all realize what an absolute echo chamber this website has become? Group of 5-6 pro “let’s get back to normal now” posters, countered by a group of 5-6 “we have to be prudent” posters.
Fact of the matter is non of us really know jack sh1t about what the politicians are going to do about opening up the economy, and really, what impact opening the economy will even have on life. I can tell you this, my son’s university was very quick to get kids off campus and in an online classroom. Was this due to an incredible care for their students, faculty and staff health? Was it a premeditated move to alleviate themselves from culpability should they have an outbreak at the school and get sued by some who may contract it and die in that environment? Probably both.
The biggest wildcard in all of this is not the economy, stupid. It’s human behavior and survival instinct. If, as seems to be playing out, 1/2 the nation’s population centers feel they need/want to practice social distancing and not put themselves at risk, for their own good or for society’s good, then that will still have an enormous impact on our economy. If the naysayers jump back in the pool in a reckless way, and this swings through their communities, then the ripple effect will take place.
I think individual decisions on our comfort and willingness to accept risk are going to be a far bigger factor in how this all plays out economically than an arbitrary decision to restart the economy.
Do you thing losing jobs, going broke and losing homes will change social behavior? 40% of America can’t pay a surprise $1000 bill without pulling out a credit card.
When I saw what was coming I left my home in Massachusetts for my home in Maine. The death projection has been dropped from over 300 to sixty. One non elderly person without preexisting conditions in a nursing home has died. No one had died in two days. So what does the governor do yesterday? She thinks we’re NYC! She orders us to wear masks to enter grocery stores. There’s already a seventy customer limit in the store. The odds of a healthy person dying of COVID in Maine is five times less than being killed by a car crossing the street.
Do you think that perhaps those numbers are low because a large number of people are doing the appropriate things? Social distancing, washing hands...etc? There is cause and effect.
Those models projecting the deaths, specifically the IHME model already took into account perfect social distancing measures through May. So when they said there would be 200K deaths, that was with them saying full complicit social distancing. So to go from 200 to 93 to 81 to 60K projection (for nation) does not make sense with saying it must be due to social distancing. They were projecting that in the model. And we all know many people aren't really following protocol- so I guess you can argue how that projection number shouldn't be HIGHER now. Something isn't making sense, and we aren't getting an explanation. It's one thing to take it serious, and it's another to make life altering decisions on projections that have been shown to be completely off multiple times in a row.
Right. Everything is a conspiracy. Got it. Only the people with the tin foil hats on really know what is going on, confirmed by the Internet. Got it.
If your actions didn’t have serious health implications for other innocent people, I would encourage you and people of your mindset to please start going about your business as quickly as possible. It would help the gene pool tremendously. Unfortunately, your actions and the actions of people like you do impact the rest of us. I am just amazed at the number of selfish people out there, it’s all about you, not about your families, community or country.
RJM posted:collegebaseballrecruitingguide posted:RJM posted:collegebaseballrecruitingguide posted:Do you all realize what an absolute echo chamber this website has become? Group of 5-6 pro “let’s get back to normal now” posters, countered by a group of 5-6 “we have to be prudent” posters.
Fact of the matter is non of us really know jack sh1t about what the politicians are going to do about opening up the economy, and really, what impact opening the economy will even have on life. I can tell you this, my son’s university was very quick to get kids off campus and in an online classroom. Was this due to an incredible care for their students, faculty and staff health? Was it a premeditated move to alleviate themselves from culpability should they have an outbreak at the school and get sued by some who may contract it and die in that environment? Probably both.
The biggest wildcard in all of this is not the economy, stupid. It’s human behavior and survival instinct. If, as seems to be playing out, 1/2 the nation’s population centers feel they need/want to practice social distancing and not put themselves at risk, for their own good or for society’s good, then that will still have an enormous impact on our economy. If the naysayers jump back in the pool in a reckless way, and this swings through their communities, then the ripple effect will take place.
I think individual decisions on our comfort and willingness to accept risk are going to be a far bigger factor in how this all plays out economically than an arbitrary decision to restart the economy.
Do you thing losing jobs, going broke and losing homes will change social behavior? 40% of America can’t pay a surprise $1000 bill without pulling out a credit card.
When I saw what was coming I left my home in Massachusetts for my home in Maine. The death projection has been dropped from over 300 to sixty. One non elderly person without preexisting conditions in a nursing home has died. No one had died in two days. So what does the governor do yesterday? She thinks we’re NYC! She orders us to wear masks to enter grocery stores. There’s already a seventy customer limit in the store. The odds of a healthy person dying of COVID in Maine is five times less than being killed by a car crossing the street.
Do you think that perhaps those numbers are low because a large number of people are doing the appropriate things? Social distancing, washing hands...etc? There is cause and effect.
Everything you’re suggesting was calculated into the originals numbers. The reality is COVID, while an issue wasn’t as much of an issue as was feared. The issue I have is you can’t treat Maine like it’s NYC. Portland, the largest city is very suburban. The population density is 3,000 per square miles. The suburb I grew up in Massachusetts is more populated and denser. NYC is 27,000 per square mile.
The biggest issue is China wasn’t straight forward with data. We had no idea what occurred in densely populated areas versus less populated areas. Most importantly there are researchers who believe had China been honest from the beginning 95% of the deaths outside China could have been prevented.
RJM, I hear what you are saying, but it’s just not a simple problem, if it were we still would likely screw up our response to it. The world is a complicated place and the needs and desires of those in power positions with the influence to make policy decisions are usually skewed toward their own desired outcomes. Go to Vegas, don’t plan on coming back with all your money. The odds are always in favor of the house. Life is pretty similarly stacked.
You make matter of fact statements like COVID-19 wasn’t as much of an issue as was feared. Based on what? You want to tell the 17,000 families that lost their loved ones that they need to change their perspective? How about the tens of thousands who did survive it and their families that they were really blowing this whole thing out of proportion.
I say this in the most respectful of ways, as a Jew, you should maybe have a different perspective on this. How do you feel when you hear stories that people believe the holocaust was not as bad as it is said in the history books, or that it even happened at all?! Enraged I am sure, as you rightly should be. But I think you would agree that the re-writing of history is done with a political bias.
We aren’t even in the middle of this thing, so to say we are blowing it out of proportion is crazy to me. We had our largest, most densely populated city’s healthcare system brought to its proverbial knees by this. I don’t want to see what happens in other areas, but if what we have been doing slows down the spread and gives their healthcare systems a chance to ramp up before getting their test, then I say you are welcome and I am pleased to do it. Just because it isn’t happening or won’t be as widespread in Maine doesn’t lessen the significance of what is happening in other areas of the country. Maybe we should have just let herd immunity develop, but do you want to be a casualty of that for the convenience of people younger and healthier than you?
Selfishly, I want to see my children get married, have babies and then, maybe, I may be accepting of my final demise. Until then, I will do whatever I can to ensure I get to that point and I respect my fellow citizens enough to be a team player to help them get there too.