Will stockpiling continue?

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Originally posted by jbbaseball:
Just want to chime on some comments I am seeing in various threads (including this particular one).

It appears quite a few folks are assuming that with the new rules, every team will have 8 walks ons (or only a MAX of 8). This is not necessarily true.

Here are the rules, as they stand right now:
1) Roster limit is 35.
2) If athletic scholly is given, it must be at least 25%.
3) A MAXIMUM of 27 players can receive athletic $$$.

No where in the rules does it state that a coach MUST give 27 players athletic $$$. Who is to say a coach (particularly at a high profile, state school the has HOPE or Bright light $$$) MAY decide to give Athletic $$$ to only 25 players? and have 10 walk ons? Right now, there is nothing in the rules that would prevent a coach from doing this.

I am not saying this is the best/right recruiting strategy, but in my example, this could mean that a coach could possibly have more $$$ to go out and recruit "blue chippers".

Just a thought..........

It is my understanding that the 25% can be for combined athletic and academic.

Also note: the new rules limits counters to 30 in 2008-2009 then to 27 in 2009-2010.

The 35 man roster limit is capped for the REGULAR season squad. Does not state fall AND spring.

My interpretation of this, is you can still have 40 show up in the fall, included many recruited walk ons.

Am I missing something?

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Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:

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Originally posted by jbbaseball:
Just want to chime on some comments I am seeing in various threads (including this particular one).

It appears quite a few folks are assuming that with the new rules, every team will have 8 walks ons (or only a MAX of 8). This is not necessarily true.

Here are the rules, as they stand right now:
1) Roster limit is 35.
2) If athletic scholly is given, it must be at least 25%.
3) A MAXIMUM of 27 players can receive athletic $$$.

No where in the rules does it state that a coach MUST give 27 players athletic $$$. Who is to say a coach (particularly at a high profile, state school the has HOPE or Bright light $$$) MAY decide to give Athletic $$$ to only 25 players? and have 10 walk ons? Right now, there is nothing in the rules that would prevent a coach from doing this.

I am not saying this is the best/right recruiting strategy, but in my example, this could mean that a coach could possibly have more $$$ to go out and recruit "blue chippers".

Just a thought..........

It is my understanding that the 25% can be for combined athletic and academic.

My understanding is that this only applies to programs that are not fully funded.

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by TPM: Let's share the info as to who is letting walk ons go after doing things ALL players mess up with once in a awhile.

agree, and of importance is the emphasis in my previous post that these players were
"recruited" by that coach to join his program and attend school at that university

at a school's mini-camp we were just at the coach gathered all the parents together and stated that he currently carries 32 players but only 21 are receiving athletic scholorships

The most interesting part of the new rule changes is the "satisfaction" of the individual 25% rule using mixed monies. I haven't read where only partially-funded programs can do this. I read where it is to benefit those programs.

If this is true, is there even a greater advantage to programs, say in the southeast where 15 counters are satisfied by a HOPE grant, and the coach can use his full 11.7 on the other 12 blue-chippers, almost a full grant each to attract the out-of-state premier studs? That is assuming the HOPE qualifiers also have grades high enough to not count against the TEAM 11.7?? Or does that not matter in these cases?

Does the partially-funded program, say 10 full grants need to recruit several kids who can be satisfied with 25% academic monies to free up more baseball monies for them to attract a blue-chipper?

The question was "will stockpiling continue?"

I think D1 baseball is contracting ? My guess is most rosters will eventually level off at 30-32, meaning an estimated 1000 kids who normally would be on a D1 roster in years past will not be.(293 teams)

Will a "counter" in one season who doesn't pan out production-wise be asked to become a non-counter(forego baseball grant) to become player 28-35 ?

Will a coach use/keep spots 28-35 fairly vacant as a holding tank for these kids when they add new counters ??

If baseball grants are optionally renewable annual events, it appears that option can exist.

Player comes in 2008 with 20% baseball and 5% academic. After season 1, coach determines player will never be a main contributor, but has value to the team. Player option is to transfer and sit, or transfer down, or hang with team after being told his 20% is needed to get a new recruit.

Now designated as a non-counter, it appears he becomes one of the 8 rostered non-counters??

One year ago at this time at a very large southeast program, there were 49 rostered players and an announced 18 player 2007 class. That roster is now down to the low 30's............where did they all go? That is over 30 D1 quality baseball kids. Even if a few graduated, a couple drafted, etc., thats a wholesale exchange to say the least!!

Bee, the information I got came from a parent with a kid in the program. There could be a lot more involved that I don't know about. For instance, these infractions could have been the last straw, or an example may have been made of these recruited walkons that were not going to work out anyway. I don't know, and am not close enough to the situation
to comfortably disclose the school. It is a fine institution, good baseball program, and hightly regarded coaches. No need for a black eye if not deserved.

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Originally posted by PFBB:
I heard Dartmouth had 5:00 A.M. workouts in the winter.

I can confirm this as my son is on this team.

My son's team has only had one 6:00AM workout this Fall. So far the coaching staff has pushed school first, workouts and practice later. During the workout period they have had dual position workouts. The early workout for boys with morning classes, and the later workout for boys with afternoon classes.

On the other side, the son of a close friend has routinely had 6:00AM conditioning workouts all this Fall.

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Originally posted by dbg_fan:

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Originally posted by PFBB:
I heard Dartmouth had 5:00 A.M. workouts in the winter.

I can confirm this as my son is on this team.

I recall early winter workouts in New England.

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Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom: .... getting up at 4am to run and workout at 5 and head to class most likely will not produce the grades needed for eligibility.

My daughter's fall schedule includes swimming at 5:30am for upper body strength. Practice from 1:30-4:30 and weights and conditioning from 7:30-9:30 three nights a week. She had a 3.8 her freshman year majoring in International Relations and minoring in French.

It's a matter of time management and responsibility. She was happy when the season started. She said the season is much easier than the fall semester. The only grind during the season is returning back at school in the middle of the night before Monday morning classes.

HS Senior son has off-season workouts starting two weeks ago at 6:15. He's up at 5:45 a.m. School's not out until 3:45. Thing is this kid hates to get up in the morning and other days I have to drag him out of bed. He loves baseball though and pops right up when his alarm goes off for a.m. workout.

Freshman son has football practice at 6:15 a.m. in the fall. He is a swimmer too. HS Swim practice is at 5:30 a.m. three days a week - which means up at five. We'll be glad when he can drive.

I have to say if you are a walk-on - which to me would mean you are one step behind the scholly players in trying to prove yourself, that the missed practice/study hall just shows the coach that you really don't want it that bad. Now I realize there are extenuating circumstances and you'd have to look at if that impression fit in with all else you have seen. I bet in these three boys cases, there was more to it. I doubt they came to practice everyday and worked their tails off and just had a mess up. It was probably a pattern.

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I doubt they came to practice everyday and worked their tails off and just had a mess up. It was probably a pattern.

school just started a few days ago

and tho conditioning could have begun, baseball practice would not have started yet, just what kind of pattern could one see??

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Originally posted by TG:

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Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom: .... getting up at 4am to run and workout at 5 and head to class most likely will not produce the grades needed for eligibility.

My daughter's fall schedule includes swimming at 5:30am for upper body strength. Practice from 1:30-4:30 and weights and conditioning from 7:30-9:30 three nights a week. She had a 3.8 her freshman year majoring in International Relations and minoring in French.

It's a matter of time management and responsibility. She was happy when the season started. She said the season is much easier than the fall semester. The only grind during the season is returning back at school in the middle of the night before Monday morning classes.

Statistics prove that girls are higher achievers than boys. You'll find very few baseball players with that GPA, result is the crackdown on what's happening with the APR in baseball.

My son went to a top 25 program, so did Bee>'s player. Coaches with years of experience with what works for them and their team.
This is not to say a player can't do 6am on their own.
I know my son, workouts at 6am, class, practice and then study hall (as a freshman) would not have made him a happy camper.

He seems to have done well without the 6 am workouts.

My son's D1 team lifts at 5:30 AM, 4 days a week.

One legitimate reason for 6 AM (or earlier workouts in the weight room)...that may be the only time the baseball team can get it. Coaches want the afternoons for the individual/small group workouts.

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Originally posted by Dooer:
My son's D1 team lifts at 5:30 AM, 4 days a week.

6AM x 4 at jr's school.

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Originally posted by JT:
One legitimate reason for 6 AM (or earlier workouts in the weight room)...that may be the only time the baseball team can get it. Coaches want the afternoons for the individual/small group workouts.

That makes a lot more sense than the coach doesn't want them out partying at night.

Ga-Tech lifts at 2:40 PM EST .. that's 1845 UTC/"univeral co-ordinated time"
(formerly Greenwich Mean Time)

any & all prospects being recruited for 5 AM EST (0900 UTC) workouts, please consider that

thanks in advance

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Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:

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Originally posted by TG:

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Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom: .... getting up at 4am to run and workout at 5 and head to class most likely will not produce the grades needed for eligibility.

My daughter's fall schedule includes swimming at 5:30am for upper body strength. Practice from 1:30-4:30 and weights and conditioning from 7:30-9:30 three nights a week. She had a 3.8 her freshman year majoring in International Relations and minoring in French.

It's a matter of time management and responsibility. She was happy when the season started. She said the season is much easier than the fall semester. The only grind during the season is returning back at school in the middle of the night before Monday morning classes.

Statistics prove that girls are higher achievers than boys. You'll find very few baseball players with that GPA, result is the crackdown on what's happening with the APR in baseball.

My son went to a top 25 program, so did Bee>'s player. Coaches with years of experience with what works for them and their team.
This is not to say a player can't do 6am on their own.
I know my son, workouts at 6am, class, practice and then study hall (as a freshman) would not have made him a happy camper.

He seems to have done well without the 6 am workouts.

I don't think it's my daughter's idea of a party either. But she knew what it was going in and adapted. She had early morning workouts in the offseason in high school, plus 5am wake up calls to get to travel tournaments on the weekends all summer and fall.

John Chaney the former Temple basketball coach ran basketball practice from 5:30 to 7:30 in the morning. He told his players they had from the end of classes until they went to bed to get their homework done, so no excuses. It's a matter of coaching style and what players can and are willing to adapt to.

I wouldn't like it. I'm amazed I have two early risers for kids. I hate getting up early. My son loves 8am tournament games which means leaving the house by 6am for 7am BP. He calls it an advantage.

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by TG: Chaney the former Temple basketball coach ran basketball practice from 5:30 to 7:30 in the morning.

that's more than once ya mentioned that psycho-thug who defined "intimidation" as coaching.

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W-S Journal: "Temple coach John Chaney, annoyed at what he considered bad refereeing, sent a player into a game against St. Joseph's for the purpose of "sending a message." The Temple player, knocked St. Joseph's senior forward John Bryant down, breaking his arm ... he (Chaney) has choked and threatened to kill opposing coaches, and after a frustrating loss last year, he even declared that he would beat some of his players if he had a baseball bat."

you are correct in that his antics would not have faired well in the light of day.

hmmm, would he beat his players with a linear or rotational swing??

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Originally posted by Bee>:

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by TG: Chaney the former Temple basketball coach ran basketball practice from 5:30 to 7:30 in the morning.

that's more than once ya mentioned that psycho-thug who defined "intimidation" as coaching.

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W-S Journal: "Temple coach John Chaney, annoyed at what he considered bad refereeing, sent a player into a game against St. Joseph's for the purpose of "sending a message." The Temple player, knocked St. Joseph's senior forward John Bryant down, breaking his arm ... he (Chaney) has choked and threatened to kill opposing coaches, and after a frustrating loss last year, he even declared that he would beat some of his players if he had a baseball bat."

you are correct in that his antics would not have faired well in the light of day.

hmmm, would he beat his players with a linear or rotational swing??

It's the first time I've mentioned him unless it's twice in this thread. John Chaney is a very respected coach by his coaching peers and former players. What Chaney did wrong was get old and stay too long at the fair. In the end he made several poor decisions. The decision in the SJU-Temple game was a bad choice. But Chaney isn't the subject of the thread. He's just one of many coaches who had early morning practices. His reasons were academic.

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5 years from now….
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Dear Boss,

It has come to my attention that you are actually have the gall to require that my son arrive at the office, on time, and ready to work at 6:00 am.

What is wrong with you? While I understand that your job, and your family depends upon your job performance, and I understand that your shareholders are demanding a return, my son has NEVER gotten up this early. My son doesn’t DO early mornings. He is actually tired! Oh my God!

It is hard for me to believe that you’re so out of touch. Haven’t you read “the Secret”? Don’t you understand the principal of effortless abundance? Let me bring you up to date. The old work/effort is the new spin/contacts. Think Paris Hilton, "You should live everyday like it's your birthday"

I am certain that you will now change your foolish ways. By the way, he has been there for two weeks, can he have a raise? Oh and to answer your question, yes it IS absolutely necessary that his boxers show.

No need to thank me.

Best,

Dad

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Originally posted by Bee>:
hmmm, would he beat his players with a linear or rotational swing??

He would probably use a combination of all three of these methods.

HOW TO STIR, BEAT, AND FOLD DISOBEDIENT PLAYERS

Stirring

Putting one or more players such as Flowers, Eggstrom, or Milche into a very large mixing bowl or medium sized lockerroom and moving a utensil like a transfer shovel or even a 2X4 steadily around in the mess of players in an ever widening circle.


Beating

Carrying the utensil swiftly through the mess of players so that a large portion of them are turned over at each stroke. Minute air bubbles are added to the mixture, making them very lightheaded.


Folding

Incorporating other disobedient players into an already gathered mess of players, usually Eggstom again or that heavy kid, Kreem. This is done by placing the transfer shovel in the lockerroom, while everyone is on edge, turning the lockerroom inside out, and lifting the disobedients. This is repeated until the mess of players is is evenly blended together with the disobedients.



Coach Justin Wilson was particularly adept at this.

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John Chaney is a very respected coach by his coaching peers and former players.

many would suggest you are verry confused

the kinder, gentler, younger Chaney

My son can play for John Chaney anytime

I have read every single thread pertaining to, wait, what was the subject again? lol.

Heaven forbid that our sons actually LEARN that life isn't fair after all and that the coach truly DOES get what he wants, when he wants. When I went into the service 25 years ago I could only imagine what My Drill Instructor would have said when they woke us up at 5:00am to begin the day, "yaaawwwn....hey Sarge, gimme about 30 more minutes, will ya?" No matter WHAT time a coach requires young men and women to practice it is their perogative to do so. It's called "learning to adapt", or shorter version "LIFE". Observer, I absolutely loved your 5 years later letter! It was right on the head! Once My son walks out the door to college I want him to learn what it takes to actually work for something he truly loves and makes it because of his own sacrifices, etc.

Back to stockpiling (oh yes, that was the orginal subject of this thread). IMO, I don't think many D1 college coaches will have the luxury of stockpiling in time. I believe that players and parents will become wise and know when a coach is inviting the player so he can be "looked at" during the fall knowing he might be cut. Yes, you will have those who go because of high hopes, etc. But I believe those I am talking about will decide to go another route so their son can get into a program regardless of the Division where he can fit in and play.

At the showcase we attended a couple weeks ago, the coaches at the 2 hour Q&A period on Saturday night basically said that the "trickle down" affect will become common place. And because of that, many more signings will take place in the spring because the D2's, etc. will be waiting in the fall to see whom they can pick up from D1's. And because of that scenario, I believe you will find in time that even down to the local JUCO it will be VERY competitive to make the team.

So...should a kid make each practice, quit drinking, have an awesome attitude at all times..with how the landscape of recruiting is changing...I would say a resounding...YES...they should...each and every day!

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Originally posted by TRhit:
My son can play for John Chaney anytime

You'll know there will be an emphasis on education and graduation. But, like I stated before the subject is early morning practice.

However, since we're on the subject of coaches perceived to be difficult, when Bob Knight grabbed the player at Texas Tech and made the news, my son didn't understand why it was such an issue. He observed the player disrespected the coach by not looking him in the eye while being chewed out for not executing properly.

Some athletes can play for heavy handed coaches, some can't. I've taught my kids to hear the message and tune out the delivery other than understanding the sense of urgency.

Did I start this thread, or was it my evil phscho thingy? But it has has done an amaeba split.

First of all, early am pratices: Anyone that calls them insane is calling some of the finest coaches in the country an idiot. Where does that leave you?

As previously mentioned, ther are many reasons for the am workout.
1) That is when the offseason facilities are available.
2) Coaches are looking for committment, coaches can recruit talent, but what coach can find the hard core winner, the kid with the desire to help the team get to the next level (hard to do at showcase and limited games) Get a kid on YOUR terms and you find who your champions are. There are many other ways to accomplish this, but this is an easy one.
3)Am workouts have a lot of scheduling advantages for classes as such (btw. it takes about 2 weeks to get used to am workouts, your body does adjust.)
4)If the workouts are for core body training, speed traing, lifting, etc... What better time? body and mind are fresh and peak.
5)If you are weight training, TESTOSTERONE LEVELS ARE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF THE DAY. ask any guy who he says good morning to first?
6)Does the kid want to play baseball,or go trapping for beaver everynight til 4:00 am?????? If I'm a coach I want to know!!

Of course there are a lot of variables and different situations. But I will say ,I did the 5:00 workouts, Every now and then I had to chew my arm off and find my way to practice as the sun came up , but I made it to practice, and paid for it. Some of the Best memories of my life!

Point is, AM workouts are not right or wrong, it is up to the coach and how it fits into his mission and situation. BUT what IS wrong!, is to generalize and say its insane, or "my kid doesnt want to be in a boot camp" This makes no sense, your kid will adjust if he wants to play, PERIOD!!

I will add this too: my 2nd job out of college I was a bond trader. At the office at 2:30am checking the Aussie markets & new zealnd then watching the markets as the rest of the world woke up and started dealing and working intensly focused until 3:30 eastern. Big $$ at stake! Just like baseball, You do what you have to do, or fail!! (Do you wonder if sports helped me there???) hmmmm


There are plenty of ways to get your social life, and downtime figured in when you have these tough schedules. I have done it! And it was a blast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now about the other part of the thread, I say we start it in a new one more focused. The overrecruiting part.


And I would play for Chaney Too....

A champion for his players...............


44 GREAT POST!!!

If a coach is assigned the gym at that time of the day, and prefers that time, that's his buisness. But the discussion was referenced to that coaches do it so they know their players are not out late the night before.

I found this to be a strange statment, because in my experience, between class, workouts, homework, practice,sudy hall for most D1 first year players, there's not much more time left in the day for partying.

My son's coach always had early morning weekend practices, that was understandable and was an effort to curb late night activities on the weekend.

I don't think there is any right time to work out, it's up to individuals as long as he has a routine.

My son's coaches were fitness fanatics, but I think his choice that school early am and afternoon workouts and practice worked well for the team. He also has a challenge unique in the country called the Omaha challenge, a week long event that includes competition between players and between teams. Many players are quite sick after the time required for the sled pull, which is pulling a sled with weights around the bases for specific times. The exercise is designed for physical and mental challenge that's done at the end of fall. It is not for everyone. I see a lot more meaning in that week long physical and mental workout than getting up each day for 6am workouts. JMO.
If you ever had a look at the Clemson Tigers, you will not most likely find a better fit team in the country and I have heard that from many people who have seen them play, not my opinion.

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by TD: coaches can recruit talent, but what coach can find the hard core winner, the kid with the desire to help the team get to the next level

answer - it should be obvious .. that would be coaches REGULARLY in NCAA regional play ...

GT & Clemson have been mentioned as examples of programs successful at identifying and recruiting players & where coaching/teaching are a priority.

the early AM rationale given here seems focused on punishing and/or driving players whom they have recruited, out of their program, or worse yet, molding them into bond traders.

that seems very odd

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Originally posted by Bee>:

the early AM rationale given here seems focused on punishing and/or driving players whom they have recruited, out of their program, or worse yet, molding them into bond traders.

that seems very odd

That was the impression I got also.

I got the impression it was to squeeze everything into a jam packed day.

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the early AM rationale given here seems focused on punishing and/or driving players whom they have recruited,

There are many reasons for the am work out, you seem to have myopically focused on the above. But if a coach has am workouts the kids will adjust unless they don't want it bad enough.

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or worse yet, molding them into bond traders.

that seems very odd

WHAT!!!! First, the point is there many (most) of the demanding professions require early days. Second, if you knew what a bond trader did and the money they make, you wouldn't make such a ridiculous statement!!
OMG

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by TD: There are a lot of highly motivated coaches that do not miss a minute of the day to do something productive

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by bbhddl: I got the impression it was to squeeze everything into a jam packed day

team practice/conditioning time (10 8 hours per week) is set by ncaa ..

AM hours aren't counted differently

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I found this to be a strange statment, because in my experience, between class, workouts, homework, practice,sudy hall for most D1 first year players, there's not much more time left in the day for partying.

Especially when you roll out of bed at 10:00

Tripledad,
You brought up being a bond trader.



Bee> is correct, by NCAA rules only a set amount of hours is allowed but I do think it is only for practice?

Team workouts usually take place as a group in the beginning of each semester then practice and 4 on 1 instruction gives way to workouts and the players are left on their own, team workouts become less of a requirement. Then they can work it in around their schedule.

A coach will not let someone go because he hasn't worked out, his lack of conditioning will show up when it really counts, in games and then see more bench time.

You began this thread by telling us that 3 walk ons got cut as 5:30 practice was missed, but then you told us you "heard" about it.

You also gave the impression that coaches have 5:30 workouts most likley to curb late night activities. I didn't send son off to be babysat. And that early morning workouts show commitment to coaches. Who has to show commitment? When players sign an NLI and receive a scholarship that is showing commitment. Is he doing it for the few walk ons?

BTW, most walk ons work even harder to earn a place on the roster for spring.

You are making statments and generalizations that you have no clue what you are talking about. JMO.

Keep one thing in mind folks: when a player is on scholarship, baseball or otherwise, he is being paid by the school to play for them---no different than working for a major corporation---the rules are the rules according to the coach (boss)--- can we please stop all the driveling and PC crying about what is going on---you, the player. either want to play and be part of the team or you do not. It is your choice--LIFE IS MADE OF CHOICES

We are just a travel team but we have similar rules and if I may allow me to tell you with an example as to how simple it works---this weekend we were in a showcase event---stayed in a great hotel with a 4 station computer business station and a huge flat screen tv for games to be seen---at 10:05 some of our kids where there watching , still early with a 11:30 game the next morning---All I simply said was--"you guys know the rules--you better have together in the morning"---the players as a group got up said "Goodnite Coach" and went to their rooms---par from other teams staying the hotel---parents from pother teams who were in the hotel looked at me and asked how do you do that---I told them that it was really very simple---you set the bar at the level you want and they react---they know I will sit with them talk baseball and watch the game on TV with them but the time comes they need to get to their rooms they go--no questions asked-- we do not have a curfew but they know the rules---

For me it is simple---here are the rules--either like or don't---if you don't you can leave---

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by Bee>: team practice/conditioning time (10 8 hours per week) is set by ncaa ..

oops, 6 hrs conditioning, 2 hrs 4 on 1



NCAA - offseason
(a) Sports other than Football... only a student-athlete’s participation in required weight-training, conditioning and skill-related instruction shall be permitted.
A student-athlete’s participation in such activities per Bylaw 17.02.1 shall be limited to a maximum of eight hours per week with not more than two hours per week spent on skill-related workouts.



re - Chaney, I gotta say he's colorful. Akron played Cheney State when he coached mid 70's - ncaa DII post season, they were very good & he did win a DII National tile about that time.
Anyway, I'll NEVER forget their cheerleaders/student section

the usual winner's chant at that time was (steam's) "na na hey hey goodbye"

their's was "pork-chop pork-chop greasy greasy, we beat Akron, easy easy"

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You brought up being a bond trader.

MY POINT, ther are a lot of professions that require demanding am hours. That does not make them insane or boot camp. It is Life. If a coach, for whatever reason wants a 5:00 am workout it is not insane nor is it bootcamp. It is life. DO it or find something else. I don't have an opinion either way if a coach wants early am workouts, I understand why they might, but I certainly would not condenm a coach if that is his choice.

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You began this thread by telling us that 3 walk ons got cut as 5:30 practice was missed, but then you told us you "heard" about it.

You miss read it. One was cut for missing study hall, another was cut for missing practice, a third was cut for drinking. And I didn't "hear" through the grapevine. I was told by a parent with a kid in the program. I didn't drill them for details.

It seems these recruited walkons got the AX pretty fast. I wonder if the coach invited extra recuited walkons? And I wonder if other coaches are doing this in the fall, or if this will be a trend.

Would anyone here feel comfortable being asked to be a recruited walk on?

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you, the player. either want to play and be part of the team or you do not. It is your choice--LIFE IS MADE OF CHOICES

Got to agree with this.

My son like most college players workout before class, 4 on 1 s and team practices after class and then weight training with a teammate. Often gets home 11:00 PM or later.
He found that most freshmen where out of shape and not ready to play in 95% heat. A good elite team will prepare you to be ready. They will push you until you are in great BB shape.