Will Texas and OU Blow Up The Big12

Texas and Oklahoma came close to bolting for the PAC 12 conference several years ago. From what I’ve read over the past few years is the Big 12 is the least stable conference. Texas and Oklahoma leaving would likely be the beginning of the end.

Football rules the roost. The ideal scenario would be four major conferences comprised of sixteen teams. With two divisions in each conference the conference championship could be billed as the first round of the playoffs.

The University of Texas is responsible for the downfall of the Southwest Conference. They also are responsible for Missouri, Arkansas, Colorado, and Texas A&M leaving the Big 12. Now they are bringing about the end of the Big 12. Anybody see a pattern here? A&M and Missouri will vote against allowing Texas & Oklahoma to join. Arkansas is a wild card but I suspect they will vote against as well. All of them have experienced what is like to have they University of Texas as a partner - it’s like being married to a narcissist. Anyone that knows what that is like can understand and would never do it again.  Anyone that hasn’t can’t understand at all. But the SEC better be careful with this one. History has a way of repeating itself.

Sec going after Ohio State and Michigan also.    Will become a 20 team power conference.

@adbono posted:

The University of Texas is responsible for the downfall of the Southwest Conference. They also are responsible for Missouri, Arkansas, Colorado, and Texas A&M leaving the Big 12. Now they are bringing about the end of the Big 12. Anybody see a pattern here? A&M and Missouri will vote against allowing Texas & Oklahoma to join. Arkansas is a wild card but I suspect they will vote against as well. All of them have experienced what is like to have they University of Texas as a partner - it’s like being married to a narcissist. Anyone that knows what that is like can understand and would never do it again.  Anyone that hasn’t can’t understand at all. But the SEC better be careful with this one. History has a way of repeating itself.

Texas is the beautiful girl you should never ask out.

Add in Clemson and Florida State.  SEC wants to be mega conference and do away with NCAA as we know it.  They could declare their winner the National Champion at least in football and maybe in other sports.  This would be very interesting.  What they have now plus Texas, Oklahoma, Michigan, Ohio State, Clemson, and Florida State.  Some conversations of dropping a couple of teams which I would think might be Missouri and who knows, maybe Vanderbilt because they are only successful in baseball.  Adding 2 more powerhouse teams to replace them.

SEC Presidents and ADs -- Be careful what you wish for, you may just get Texas and Oklahoma.

I just don't see Ohio State or Michigan bolting the Big 10 as well as Clemson leaving the ACC.   They've got it pretty good where they are.   The ACC should be trying to get Notre Dame on board.   That makes sense to me.

@fenwaysouth posted:

SEC Presidents and ADs -- Be careful what you wish for, you may just get Texas and Oklahoma.

I just don't see Ohio State or Michigan bolting the Big 10 as well as Clemson leaving the ACC.   They've got it pretty good where they are.   The ACC should be trying to get Notre Dame on board.   That makes sense to me.

With my football plan of four conference of two divisions with the conference championships as first round of the playoffs Notre Dame would have to join a conference or be left out.

@RJM posted:

Texas is the beautiful girl you should never ask out.

She’s actually not that beautiful, she just thinks she is....

Can’t say it better than this guy...

Edited*****On the advice of counsel, I have removed my previous post...it may have crossed a line or two.  I recognize everybody's humor threshold is different, and this probably was not the place to post that content.  Keep calm and chive on.****Edited

Can’t wait to see where this goes. Making popcorn and coffee now. Too early for beer.

@adbono posted:

Can’t wait to see where this goes. Making popcorn and coffee now. Too early for beer.

https://youtu.be/BPCjC543llU

The ACC and all conference participants granted their media rights to ESPN through the 2035-36 season to form the conference's network. In contrast, it's the Big 12's upcoming conclusion of its current TV deal in 4 years that prompts OU and Texas to consider bolting. Those are two very different sets of  circumstances and financial consequences.

So, if I'm reading this correctly, Disney (ABC/ESPN/etc..) will have SEC broadcast rights in the low $300M/year (10 years for $3B)  starting in 2024 versus the previous $55M/year contract with CBS that runs through the end of 2023.   If this is the case, how does that work if TX and OK join the SEC?   Is that $300M/year further divided among all (current & future) teams (thereby each school gets less) or is the more likely scenario that the SEC contract get renegotiated adding in the broadcast value of TX and OK?  I know TX has their own network...of course they do.   Wouldn't TX and OK have to pay an opt-out of the current Big 12 contract and current broadcasting arrangement?   

Can anyone clarify and untangle how this works?  There are two things in play here....conference alignment and broadcast rights.   Thanks.

I can’t clarify anything so instead I will add to the confusion. The University of Texas’ greed regarding television revenue is what led to the formation of the Longhorn Network - at the exclusion of their partner schools in the Big12. That is what led to Colorado, Arkansas, Missouri, and Texas A&M leaving the Big 12. In operation the Longhorn Network has been an abject failure and has cost ESPN a pretty penny (and it couldn’t happen to 2 more deserving organizations). The content of the Longhorn Network is terrible and the on air “talent” is pathetic. Has the University of Texas learned their lesson? History would say they have not. Arrogance runs deep among the alumni and administration of that school and it’s not likely to change IMO. They consistently overvalue their worth and it breeds contempt in all that are forced to do business with them. That’s why the SEC schools that came from the Big 12 want no part of this conference expansion - as the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

@adbono posted:

I can’t clarify anything so instead I will add to the confusion. The University of Texas’ greed regarding television revenue is what led to the formation of the Longhorn Network - at the exclusion of their partner schools in the Big12. That is what led to Colorado, Arkansas, Missouri, and Texas A&M leaving the Big 12. In operation the Longhorn Network has been an abject failure and has cost ESPN a pretty penny (and it couldn’t happen to 2 more deserving organizations). The content of the Longhorn Network is terrible and the on air “talent” is pathetic. Has the University of Texas learned their lesson? History would say they have not. Arrogance runs deep among the alumni and administration of that school and it’s not likely to change IMO. They consistently overvalue their worth and it breeds contempt in all that are forced to do business with them. That’s why the SEC schools that came from the Big 12 want no part of this conference expansion - as the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

Great background info. Thanks for sharing.

This just in.   https://www.cbssports.com/coll...?ftag=SPM-16-10abi8e

Posturing, and some clues how this would work.  This is like telling your spouse you want to be married until 2024, but you've got a better offer on the horizon.   

Honestly, I think the SEC is fine just the way it is.   They don't need Texas or Oklahoma.  It seems to me that Texas and Oklahoma need the SEC.   

JMO.

From CBS Sports …

The universities intend to honor their existing grant of rights agreements. However, ….

However, if you (Big 12) would like to panic and negotiate exit terms we can live with we’re listening.

Does anyone else see Texas joining the SEC and becoming a perennial 7-5 team? The seven wins will include three against non conference Cupcake U, Little Sisters of Mercy and Tomato Can U.

Since some of you liked my last post for context, here is some more history for you to chew on.
Texas & Texas A&M are both land grant universities that were provided for by The Republic of Texas in the early 1800s. In 1876 the Constitution for the State of Texas chartered the beginning of UT and further state legislation in 1871 resulted in what would eventually become Texas A&M. UT was established as a “first class” university and A&M was initially a Agricultural & Mechanical extension of UT. A two million acre land endowment of barren wasteland was established in 19 counties in west Texas to support UT. And guess what….around 1900 oil and gas production began on this land. Initially the interest earned by the investments of the oil money all went to UT but in 1931 the Texas State Legislature split the income 2/3 to UT and 1/3 to A&M - and it has remained that way ever since.
  Point being that UT has received preferential treatment since its initial formation. Since UT is located in Austin they have been able to influence lawmakers to enable them to keep their stranglehold on state funds - and he who controls the gold makes the rules. That somewhat explains the arrogance around all that is the University of Texas. As times have changed the attitude of superiority at UT has not changed. They actually believe they are better and deserve more than their fellow institutions and conference partners. Hence the downfall of a couple of premier conferences.
  I may have not explained everything correctly to the letter of the law. If that’s the case maybe there is a Texasmom23 that would delight in correcting me. But I think you get the gist of it.

@fenwaysouth posted:

Edited*****On the advice of counsel, I have removed my previous post...it may have crossed a line or two.  I recognize everybody's humor threshold is different, and this probably was not the place to post that content.  Keep calm and chive on.****Edited

Didn’t cross any lines with me. The hot/crazy matrix is hilarious. It was first shown to me by my last girlfriend who also thought it was hilarious.

Since I’m on a roll with UT, I will add something on a more positive note - since it’s likely this expansion will take place. The athletic rivalry between Texas A&M and the University of Texas is one of the very best in college sports - and IMO is fiercer than Texas/OU by a long shot. I was fortunate to be a part of some of those rivalry games in baseball and I remember a couple of them like they happened yesterday. I was never a part of any other game that was like those. So I would very much like to see that rivalry played out on athletic fields again.

Arkansas bolted from the SWC because of Texas.  We hate them and look forward to being able to hate them once again on a yearly basis.  Pretty much agree with all of Adbono's thoughts on the Texas program and their mentality as a fan base and their administration.  I am glad they are joining and bringing OU with them.  I live on the border so I hate OU too.  I think Texas is going to be in for a rude awakening in this conference, especially behind the scenes.   

@fenwaysouth posted:

Edited*****On the advice of counsel, I have removed my previous post...it may have crossed a line or two.  I recognize everybody's humor threshold is different, and this probably was not the place to post that content.  Keep calm and chive on.****Edited

Thank you. You are correct, not the place to post that content.

https://twitter.com/UnnecRough.../1422600776153718786

I read an article last night Clemson and FSU are interested in the SEC.

@MidAtlanticDad posted:

https://twitter.com/UnnecRough.../1422600776153718786

Wow! Brutal! I wonder where she went to school?!?

@MidAtlanticDad posted:

https://twitter.com/UnnecRough.../1422600776153718786

I like it.  She calls it like she sees it.  You are only as good as your record.

Rumor starting to go around Twitter on some of the blue check profiles is that Kansas is headed to the Big 10.

Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby and Pac-12 commissioner George Kliavkoff are reportedly considering a type of scheduling alliance that could include a future merger.

I could see KU and Iowa State moving to the Big10 and the remaining 6 folding into the PAC 12.

I hope it all results in huge TV contracts for all conferences so our kids can get free or lowered tuition for state schools.  (Not serious)

@22and25 posted:

I could see KU and Iowa State moving to the Big10 and the remaining 6 folding into the PAC 12.

Big10 requires AAU membership to be in their conference.  All have it, although Nebraska's was temporarily suspended because their teaching hospital was in a different city than the main campus.  They are making changes and re-applying.  Kansas is an AAU member, but not Iowa State.

Pac12 does not take schools with a religious affiliation, so no Baylor or TCU, (or BYU).

Fun Fact: Notre Dame does not qualify for either conference.

@Go44dad posted:

Big10 requires AAU membership to be in their conference.  All have it, although Nebraska's was temporarily suspended because their teaching hospital was in a different city than the main campus.  They are making changes and re-applying.  Kansas is an AAU member, but not Iowa State.

Pac12 does not take schools with a religious affiliation, so no Baylor or TCU, (or BYU).

Fun Fact: Notre Dame does not qualify for either conference.

The PAC 12 tried very hard to get BYU to join with Utah over Colorado. Every PAC 10 had a major, natural rival. Utah-Colorado is not a natural rivalry. They’re not in the same state. They’re 500 miles apart on opposite sides of the Rockies. They weren’t from the same conference. When AZ and ASU joined they were already a rivalry.

@Go44dad posted:

Pac12 does not take schools with a religious affiliation, so no Baylor or TCU, (or BYU).

We just made it school policy to not use the word "freshman".  We now call them first year...that should get us some points.

@baseballhs posted:

We just made it school policy to not use the word "freshman".  We now call them first year...that should get us some points.

I've seen the "first year" trend. So how do they refer to a kid who redshirted and got a covid year and is still a freshman as far as eligibility goes? Do they still call him a first year even though this will be his third?

Yes, because anything with the word man in the word, is offensive.  So, third year-first year...

@baseballhs posted:

We just made it school policy to not use the word "freshman".  We now call them first year...that should get us some points.

Keep in mind that I get all of my information from the comments section of Youtube and twitter. And adbono for UT history.

@baseballhs posted:

Yes, because anything with the word man in the word, is offensive.  So, third year-first year...

I went to private school freshman year of high school based on the English model. I was a “third former.” It’s based on grades 7-12. A 7th grader is a first former.