Worst HOF Ballot Ever?

Mickey Mantle hit .298 so that's splitting hairs. Mantle's problem was he hung on too long and had he retired when he was supposed to, he would've finished above .300.  Also Mantle was feared and could hit the ball further than anybody ever. I just don't get wowed by Biggio. He's a very good player, perhaps a great player but I never saw Biggio as a guy to fear when he comes to your park. People paid to see Mantle. Who's buying tickets to see Biggio?

All this justification for Biggio and he's 17th in this, 21st in that. hat about being in the top 5 or top 10 in most major statistics.

This is not a knock on Biggio but rather a knock on just letting anyone in just so to have an inductee every year. Let's face it, what's Mazeroski doing in the hall? Let him in, they may as well let anyone in once the five year wait is up..

Actually, aside from that one chucklehead who refused to vote for Maddox with his grand wisdom, they got the voting right this year with Maddux, Glavine and Frank Thomas.

Sorry zombywolf, not going for the red herring of comparing Mantle to Biggio. 

LOL.. I wasn't getting the impression  you were comparing the two but rather bringing up a point about a career sub-.300 hitter and the HOF and Mantle was that. For me, it just comes down to being dominating in the era in which they played. If I had a say, many if not most would never sniff the hall and would be reserved for the rare few. I know it's not that way and Biggio's numbers definitely put him in the conversation and his numbers will eventually get him in but this is just my take on who should be in the HOF. It's nothing against Biggio or the others who didn't make it.

Statistically, Piazza should be a shoe-in because his offensive numbers as a catcher are off the charts despite the fact that he was just a decent catcher.

Biggio hit 26 homers in 2005, BTW.

Guys with career Avg <=.281 who never hit more than 26 HR in a season and are in the HOF.

Mazeroski

Reese

Aparicio

Hooper

McPhee

Rizzuto

Wallace

Bancroft

Tinker

O. Smith

Ferrell

Maranville

Bresnahan

Ward

Evers

Schalk

And, not that this sort of analysis is particularly useful, Biggio hit 20 HR in a season 8 times and Morgan only did it 4 times, and Biggio has more career HR than Morgan along with a higher career batting average and slugging percentage, more hits, more doubles, more R, and more RBI, 

How do you feel about Eddie Murray, Tony Perez, Jim Rice, Wilie Stargell, Andre Dawson, Dave Winfield, or Tony Gwynn?  None of them have substantially better arguments for being HOFers than Biggio (some are much worse). If you'd really reject all of them and are actually an inner-circle HOFer only, I'd disagree with you, but at least understand where you're coming from.

Dan Le Batard loses his vote for the Hall of Fame because he gave his vote to website Deadspin and they allowed people to vote who goes on there.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_...l-fame-vote-deadspin

While I agree he should lose his vote when are they going to take the vote from the guys who didn't vote for Maddux and for those who did vote for those who are not worthy?

My attitude towards the steroids era is either eliminate the players stats or vote them in. MLB rode the steroids era the way to the bank without complaining. If the stats stand its sanctimonious and hypocritical to keep the players out. And put Joe Jackson and Pete Rose in the HOF.

Murray: Switch-Hitter, 3255 hits, 504 HR's, ROY, 8-time ALL-STAR, 8-times in top 10 MVP voting, 3-Gold Gloves, 3-Silver Sluggers...

Winfield: 3110 hits, 465 HR's, 12-time ALL-STAR, 7-times in top 10 MVP voting, 7-Gold Gloves, 6-Silver Sluggers...

Gwynn: 3141 hits, 8-time NL Batting Champ, Lifetime .338 BA, 7-time NL leader in hits, 15-time ALL-STAR, 7-times in top 10 MVP voting, 5-Gold Gloves, 8-Silver Sluggers...

I'm sorry, but those 3 dudes are signifcantly better statistically than Biggio, and a bunch of othe HOF'ers as well... It does not take away from Biggio's HOF status...

Wilie Stargell was a first ballot HOF'er... Statistically, he's maybe not up there, but add the 2 world championships, The NL and WS MVP and other on-field accomplishments and clubhouse leadership, he most certainly was worthy of a first ballot enshrinement...

Tony Perez, Jim Rice, Andre Dawson... I think it would be fair to say the Biggio's carrer stats compare very favorably to (and exceed) these 3 HOF'ers as well as many others enshrined in Cooperstown...

Bingo.   Yahtzee.  Pass go, collect $200.  I couldn't agree more.

I agree with Murray, Winfield and Gwynn as hoffers. As for Rice, Perez and Dawson, I don't consider them hoffers.. All great players but not all of them all-time greats. I put Biggio with Perez and the other guys. Great players but not all-time greats.