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Advice On Transferring After/ During Freshman Year
A little background information on my recruitment. My senior year in 2018 I committed to a private D3. However, towards the end of my Spring high school season the coach that recruited me stepped down. I reached out to a local D2 university that was previously following me. This school gave me a full ride for academics and the coach expressed interest, so I came here in the fall as a walk on. Do to budget cuts (As the CIAA no longer supports baseball in conference), I was informed that the...
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Don't sign a Voluntary Withdrawal Form
This post is prompted by a call I received recently. I understand that an athlete may feel a ton of pressure if they're in an exit meeting with the coaching staff and they are being told something along the lines of "We don't see you ever playing for us and it would be better if you transfer. We'll help with your transfer if you sign this Voluntary Withdrawal Form." However, my advice is to never sign a Voluntary Withdrawal Form if the athlete can handle that pressure - especially if the...
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NCAA recruiting and transfer updates
I was able to listen to a conference call recorded yesterday afternoon in which NCAA Division I representatives provided updates and answered questions for a group of Division I athletic directors and conference commissioners. Based on input from the NCAA’s Chief Medical Officer and the NCAA COVID-19 Advisory Panel, we can expect that the current NCAA “Dead Period” prohibiting in-person recruiting activity will be extended beyond the current imposed date of April 15. We should learn more...
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D1 to Service Academy Transfer Rules
Will a player be required to sit a year if transferring from a D1 program to a service academy? I'm guessing this is an exception to that rule but unsure.
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NLI Transfer rule for juco
My son signed a NLI with a juco college for baseball last year. He will complete his first season and academic year next month. If he wants to transfer to another juco college for his sophomore year as a walk-on, can he do that? And if he can, when can he communicate with other juco coaches?
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NCAA Transfer Rule Changes Possible/Probable/Impossible?
Hi experts: Quick question regarding the transfer rules. From reading the threads re D-1 to D-1 transfer issues, including the most recent illuminating "Goff" thread, I'm wondering if anyone has seen/heard about a movement to try and wrest control of a student's baseball life from the NCAA overlords (exaggeration intentional!). I really do understand the perspective of trying to protect students from hopping around without actually studying/graduating etc. But...sure seems like NCAA rules...
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As TPM pointed out, after the restrictive transfer rules were enacted, graduation rates rose. Why would you go back to an era where graduation rates were lower? Nothing prohibits an athlete from transferring; just that a recruited player going from D1 to D1 has to sit a year. But under certain circumstances - as illustrated by Alabama - a new coach can make a serene college career blowup, and the player has no recourse. Recently, one of the Weicsz triplet's filed an action against the NCAA's...
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The transfer rules are not in the students' best interests. They only benefit the athletic program, and only a few of them, and in only a couple of sports. I can't believe it hasn't been eliminated. The time has come.
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hitting this older thread, my understanding is that the transfer rules will be voted on shortly, possibly this month. This hits particularly close to home now that my son is transferring. I'm hoping they change, and I do believe that the "sit a year" is ridiculous. Particularly when the transfer is through no fault of his own. 'm hoping they change at some point, but have little faith that they'll change in time to benefit my son- he's going to continue pursuing his baseball career at a juco...
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I don't have a problem with the transfer rule as it is. You know going in what it is....it's not like you're getting surprised after your sophomore year when you decide it's not a good fit. Colleges aren't created to give kids a spot to play a sport...they're created for education. I do think that if you're a recruted/scholarship athlete and the coach that was the HC when you got there leaves or is fired, then you should have the opportunity to transfer with no sitting out. Other than that...
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I hear you, and I agree - or should say, agreed with a lot of what you are saying. However, when a coach comes to a kid, after freshman year, and says, something to the effect of "Son, these guys playing in front of you, they aren't leaving for the draft, I have two juco studs coming in as well, and playing time is going to be hard to come by next year- you can stay if you want, but I think you need to go somewhere you can play every day" for all intents and purposes, the kid is being cut-...
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Buckeye 2015, NCAA transfer rules only benefit the school. When a young recurit signs a NLI to play at a top DI program they aren't thinking about transferring. Top DI coaches are already recuritng your replacement before/when you are signing. Some coaches are men of character, but most aren't. It's a business, but when a better looking player shows up, they toss aside that kid that did everything he was asked to do and comitted too when he signed his NLI. If you're a stud, and most aren't,...
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As much as i enjoyed the college baseball/softball experience (self and two kids) the concept of college sports is absurd. Most of the rest of the world agrees. But as long as football and basketball are money and/or PR generators ** nothing will change. Players should be able to transfer at the end of a semester if the coach departs or the program is placed on probation. Want to end cheating that leads to probation? Have the NCAA suspend coaches without pay for the duration. Players who...
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Exactly....as is every spot on the team.....and every job in life after they are out of school. I guess my last post sounded wrong. I don't have a problem with Juco kids coming in. They can only get 2 years of school at a JUCO....and transfer to D1 for the last 2 (and obviously baseball). I would never question a kid moving up from Juco to D1 because he is also getting a D1 education. Guys transferring for baseball reasons is a different story. It's not necessary. My son is at a D1, albeit...
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How would that work? This goes back to my post above....you aren't guaranteed one minute of playing time when you sign an NLI. Allowing a kid to transfer based on playing time would just be an absolute nightmare. You could have 90% of your freshman transferring after their first season just because they didn't play enough. A coach could sit a kid for 3/4 of the year....then play him the last 5 innings of the last game of the year to get him past the "playing time" number so he couldn't...
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Buckeye, I think you're missing the point. Everyone knows that there will be competion. Not talking about kids hating the coach and transfering. This about the Coach coming to a player, who has done his job, fulfilled his comittment and than being asked to leave. Coaches do this way to frequently. They know if they tell a kid he won't be getting play time next year and he will give them a release to go play elsewhere. It's their way of getting out of 5 year deals, getting scholarship money...
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Buckeye, I'm with you on all that- I get the competition part, loving the game, etc. I played d1 football, my wife was a d1 athlete, I get it. All I'm saying is that there are cases- my son included- where the coach is telling them to move on. It's not the kids choice to move on because of playing time. My son was at an elite (for baseball) non power 5 school in the south, there are no multi year guaranteed scholarships as there are in some of the power 5 schools. There's no financial...
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I get it.....but the vast majority of transfers aren't kids who had the coach come to them and say "you aren't going to play". Yes, that happens, but in most cases it's just kids who aren't the big man on campus like they thought they would be and just feel like moving is the best option....when in reality it's the easy way out. Trust me I get it....my son was 24 hours away from telling the coaches he was done after his freshman year. Fortunately, a friend who was both a former college...
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PADad....I wasn't replying about your son....we were answering at the same time. My thoughts were just generalities based on what I've seen at my son's school and with friends and former HS and travel teammates who went to other schools.
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buckeye, no worries, didn't take it personally, and I'm glad it worked out for your son. I just have a different perspective now after seeing how this has all played out. I do believe my son was at one of the more brutal programs, so it's probably not like this everywhere, although I'm not sure. I'm just thankful that the coach ripped off the scab- I'm glad he didn't tell him to hang in there, keep getting better, and he would have a chance to compete - because he would have stayed. I think...
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I'm reading and taking notes. This summer my kid will be a rising HS Soph. What would you do differently in hindsight?
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boy- now you are putting me on the spot! One thing I'd do differently for sure is truly vet the juco scene coming out of HS. I did not understand it, never even considered it. for my son (and everyone is different) he is an athlete with tools- and this is going to sound like bragging, but I'm going to paint the picture. He has tools- fast, strong arm, big bat. was a pro prospect, top 150 in PG. In hindsight I realize now that he was behind from an experience perspective. he's a kid from the...
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IMO, the NCAA's PR about the "year in residence" is crap. They say it "encourages them to make decisions motivated by academics as well as athletics." The rule was introduced in 1991. I don't believe any numbers from the NCAA about increased graduation rates as a result of that rule. Heck, I can't even find any numbers to support that argument. And if the year in residence is so important, why does it only apply to D1 football, baseball, basketball and men’s ice hockey? Everyone else is...
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I guess I'm very used to the sitting out one year rule, as that's the way it is in HS sports around here, i.e. if you decide to transfer to a private HS as a junior, you can't play on a Varsity team for one year. If the coach of a college team more or less tells a player that he isn't wanted, I don't see why a player has to sit out if he wants to transfer to another school. A poster above nailed it, though. The whole "sports scholarship" things is nuts. Go to minor league teams if all you...
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X10! If the year in residence is so important, then why are freshmen allowed to play? there are so many inconsistencies in the NCAA rules. It's a ridiculous organization. I've come to the conclusion that they are going to screw it up no matter what they do. Maybe the best answer is to come to grips with the fact that these kids are essentially pro players- they spend over 40 hours a week at their craft (the 20 hour limit is a joke) . The coaches are paid handsomely- so are the AD's the...
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Everything worked out for my son better than expected. He would have stayed had it not worked out. But I try to look at the big picture rather than just one personal scenario. If a coach tells a kid he’s not projected to get on the field why should he have to sit out a year or go to three schools in three years (4-2-4) to play? If a coach over recruits and cuts the kid why should he have to sit out to transfer? What if a new coach comes in and doesn't want the player recruited by the...
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I will speak to this as well. For us, it was hard to turn down a scholarship from a top school. When the offering school had been a regional power, and had been to the CWS in the last decade, you throw caution to the wind and sign. Our son played his freshman year, did very well and was told he had a good chance for more play time next year. Fast forward to the fall, struggled some early, finished strong and again made the spring roster. Didn't get a sniff of play time, was told he would be...
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I too have no issues with the current rules. I never did. There is documentation that graduation rates have improved. I suppose the NCAA would have them. You see, programs were being punished for low graduation rates, losing scholarships, that's how bad it was. Not if the player was drafted. The goal is to graduate in 4 years. If a player transfers and loses credits in that transfer they don't graduate when they are supposed to, that was the entire premise behind the rule. College sports is...
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If it’s really about education players would get four years and be gone. If it’s really about education basketball programs would be heavily penalized for recruiting one and dones. If it’s really about education players would only be accepted on academic merit.
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Typical. NCAA is changing the one thing they don't enforce anyway. Nothing else. http://www.espn.com/college-sp...es-ncaa-moves-reform
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Re: D1 to Service Academy Transfer Rules
This is interesting. As I understand it, when you transfer to a federal service academy (cousin went to the Naval Academy) you go in as a freshman. But in baseball, when you transfer D1 to D1 you have the 1 year sit out rule and the 5 year clock has started. So even if a transfer player had to sit out freshman year at a service academy, he could play another 3 years through his senior year (where most D1 to D1 transfers sit out a year and then play 2 years). Rick at Informed Athlete needs to...
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Good question. Is this a real possibility? Your son and which academy? Tweet to Rick at Informed Athlete to get his attention on this thread. I've done it before to get his attention. If Rick doesn't pipe in, I may be able to speak with the AF coach directly.
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Re: NLI Transfer rule for juco
Once his year is up he shold be free to do as he pleases, until/unless he has signed for a scholly for next year
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Re: NCAA recruiting and transfer updates
RICK; Is there any consideration by NCAA to allow the Colleges to create a Freshman Teams. This was created by the Colleges after the WWII and during the Korean War. Bob Williams "founder" of the Area Code Games
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Bob, I'm not aware of that topic being considered for Division I baseball. Obviously, Division I baseball has a 35-man roster limit. However in D2 and 3 baseball as well as other sports, they don't have restricted roster sizes so they're allowed to have freshman or JV teams if they choose to do so. Two specific examples I've been made aware of are an Ivy League school that had a JV football team in the 2018 season and a JV basketball team this year at a D2 college that actually shows 56...
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Rick; thank you. With the increase # of Juniors and Seniors remaining in College with athletic eligibility, specific programs may desire to create a JV or Freshman Baseball team as a "Farm team" to evaluate players on a daily basis. Intra-Squad games and games with JC could be scheduled. Bob
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Thanks for posting Rick. I have a feeling you'll be getting a lot of calls in the coming months.
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Rick, thank you for the information. I don't know if this has been asked before, but is there a website where the public can see the baseball transfer portal players? Thanks.
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The transfer portal isn't available for viewing by the public. By the way, when you see bloggers and others who write about sports providing information on which athletes or how many are in the portal (such as high profile athletes in football or basketball) they are either being given that information by the athlete or somebody closely associated with the athlete, or a coach at an NCAA school is giving that blogger their login and password. For what it's worth, I've never viewed information...
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Re: Don't sign a Voluntary Withdrawal Form
I was told yesterday Pitt informed its entire 2018 freshman class they were no longer needed find a new place to play. The NCAA as an organization should burn in hell for allowing these things. College Presidents should grow some balls and do the right things. I really dislike our court system but it is a damn shame somebody find a way use it to screw every major college athletic department....ok time for some coffee!
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This is rough. We know of at least one from there that didn’t even make it past the fall...
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Re: Advice On Transferring After/ During Freshman Year
Welcome to the forum. I'm also sending you a Private Message. The are some rules that are unique to your situation that you should be aware of (e.g. D2 and D3 eligibility is measures in full-time semesters not calendar years, did you sign a NLI, were you recruited by other schools, etc.). You can also call the NCAA Eligibility Center directly with specific questions. How will you get seen if you're not playing? You won't be. You'll have to rely mostly on the people who recruited you out of...
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Lots of good info from Midatlanticdad... I will add that you can also look to any well connected travel coaches, instructors or HS coaches you've had recently that may be able to refer you. Many JC's are constantly on the lookout for players in the very situation you describe (to pick up for spring semester). You may also inquire about NAIA schools. I can't speak specifically to the rules but I think there may be more flexibility and I know many of those schools also bring in players for...
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Appreciate your incite especially in regards to NAIA, I hadn't considered that before.
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Absolutely. I would be screwing up if I didn't include... You mentioned the free ride and likely roster spot next year at current school. Baseball is a really important piece to most aspiring college baseball players but try to make sure you are keeping the 40 yr plan in front of the 4 yr plan.
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I completely understand wanting to continue to play college ball. But if not a D1/potential pro prospect ... If you’re at the right academic school at the right price what about staying there and playing summers in a competitive semi pro league?
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Go juco at semester if you’re transferring. Don’t wait and waste time when you have a chance to develop at a juco