2012 ALL SED PREDICTIONS

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Originally posted by SEDbaseball:

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Originally posted by Trucker83:
Sounds like only players from NR, WB, GB and Hickory should be considered.

Sounds just like every year huh? There are other good players from other teams in the SED, they just don't get mentioned, and that's a fact.

Why don't you participate constructively and start mentioning them?

Wasn't trying to start anything. Was just curious. I had heard that OS recently beat both NR and GB. And that IR had beaten them too. Seems like there has to be at least someone on those teams that must at least be decent. Also, GF usually has some strong players. Just curious.

Roger Hall from IR comes to mind immediately, maybe even the kid Milvo, Stephen L. from OS also comes to mind, the kid Lilley (I think) from Lakeland, he had a great year from what I have read and is only a Sophmore I believe. My point was that some of the "lesser" programs have players worthy of 1st or 2nd team all district selection but the only ones mentioned on here are from the "top 4 teams" based on record, I suppose it is an unfortunate byproduct of not being a winning program. I don't dedicate my life to memorizing stats of 17 year old kids but the conversation seems pretty narrow and exclusive to WB, GB, NR and Hickory, just trying to prod some expansion and discussion to other teams by the commentors on here, no one needs to get butt hurt by it.

When someone starts a conversation or comment with "wasn't trying to start anything" its usually a dead give away. However, like any all-star selection in any sport the teams that win do so because they have the best players. Therefore they are more heavily represented. Having said that, the 2nd baseman for OS and catcher for Grassfield have been mentioned. So if you have anybody else name them.

However, like any all-star selection in any sport the teams that win do so because they have the best players. Therefore they are more heavily represented. Thanks for the obvious rebuttal....
I didn't say anything about Ellis from GF, I don't know alot about him but he played well when I did see him play. Again, Roger Hall from IR and maybe Milvo come right to mind, Lilley from Lakeland, they played well all year. As I was TRYING to say, alot of commentators on here went to alot of games and watched alot of kids and I was trying to prod some opinions on some different kids on different teams is all.....I figured someone would get defensive of the status quo.

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Originally posted by SEDbaseball:
However, like any all-star selection in any sport the teams that win do so because they have the best players. Therefore they are more heavily represented. Thanks for the obvious rebuttal....
I didn't say anything about Ellis from GF, I don't know alot about him but he played well when I did see him play. Again, Roger Hall from IR and maybe Milvo come right to mind, Lilley from Lakeland, they played well all year. As I was TRYING to say, alot of commentators on here went to alot of games and watched alot of kids and I was trying to prod some opinions on some different kids on different teams is all.....I figured someone would get defensive of the status quo.

Not defensive at all. Rather than whine that others aren't being mentioned as you did in your first post, just make a case for them like you have done in your last post.

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Originally posted by redbird5:

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Originally posted by SEDbaseball:

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Originally posted by Trucker83:
Sounds like only players from NR, WB, GB and Hickory should be considered.

Sounds just like every year huh? There are other good players from other teams in the SED, they just don't get mentioned, and that's a fact.

Such as?

Nick Milvo, catcher for Indian River...

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Originally posted by nrbb07:
Stephen Lorkiewicz is far from the best in the SED!!! You can't even put him up with Campbell, Lowe, Best and Brown. On the other hand and this is food for thought, what if the voting goes Lowe at SS and Campbell at 2B. I know that leaves Best and Brown out, but you could put Brown at the utility spot. It would just suck for Best cause I don't know where that would leave him. I mean both Lowe and Campbell are great well round people. I know McPherson is only sophmore, but we have 3 ACC SS in the SED. That is insane!

Whoa...

I'm pretty sure that those who can READ saw the statement "best 2B in the SED no one wants to recognize" and thought:

A) They mean SECOND BASEMEN (Lowe & Campbell do NOT play 2B).
B) That it means of all of the 2B in the district who no one has mentioned, he is clearly the best.

Now... Obviously you are drunk with bias and are completely ignorant to facts needed to make a sensible argument. It makes very little sense for a biased-person like you to call out a player as being “clearly inferior”!

The facts are:
* Lorkiewicz was 2nd Team All-District 2B, as a sophomore, in 2010 behind Justin Lee (batted .396).
* He missed his junior year after separating his shoulder in game 4 of 2011... at the time he had already scored 5 runs, had 4 RBI, a .563 OBP, .500 SLG, 1.063 OPS... AND would be a more "known name" without that injury.
* Lorkiewicz’s season ended yesterday: .404 AVG (23-57), 17 runs, 4 doubles, 4 triples, 1 HR, 21 RBI (top 3 in the area according to the Pilot), 8 stolen bases, .471 OBP, .649 SLG, 1.121 OPS... and this is with missing the first 2 games due to the lingering shoulder injury.
* The young man did all of this wearing a shoulder brace for this entire season & has a slightly torn labrum in his non-throwing shoulder.
* He had a clutch 2-run single in the 7th inning of the upset over GB.
* In the "head-to-head" matchup with Brown this past Tuesday... Lorkiewicz drove in the tying & winning runs with a 2-run double in the big upset over #1 NR... while Brown went 0-4 from the leadoff spot.

Needless to say, we are all biased to the players we see regularly... but to say that Stephen Lorkiewicz isn't even in the same class as Tyler Best & Tyler Brown is absolutely senseless. Anyone, with knowledge of the facts in the argument, should be able to develop a broader scope of understanding about Oscar Smith senior Stephen Lorkiewicz… "best 2B in the SED no one wants to recognize".

Campbell and Lowe are both very deserving of a first team award. One particular coach is no longer in the district so shuffling of positions as previously mentioned might not be in the minds of the coaches. Also, when selecting a player for first and second teams, I think the main goal should be to reward the player who had the best year, not simply award a player because he is the best player. It does seem like GB, H, NR, and WB players are always mentioned because these teams are at the top of the district year in and year out. Most often, the best players and players that play the best are on the teams that win the most.

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Originally posted by '59Tiger:

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Originally posted by nrbb07:
Stephen Lorkiewicz is far from the best in the SED!!! You can't even put him up with Campbell, Lowe, Best and Brown. On the other hand and this is food for thought, what if the voting goes Lowe at SS and Campbell at 2B. I know that leaves Best and Brown out, but you could put Brown at the utility spot. It would just suck for Best cause I don't know where that would leave him. I mean both Lowe and Campbell are great well round people. I know McPherson is only sophmore, but we have 3 ACC SS in the SED. That is insane!

Whoa...

I'm pretty sure that those who can READ saw the statement "best 2B in the SED no one wants to recognize" and thought:

A) They mean SECOND BASEMEN (Lowe & Campbell do NOT play 2B).
B) That it means of all of the 2B in the district who no one has mentioned, he is clearly the best.

Now... Obviously you are drunk with bias and are completely ignorant to facts needed to make a sensible argument. It makes very little sense for a biased-person like you to call out a player as being “clearly inferior”!

The facts are:
* Lorkiewicz was 2nd Team All-District 2B, as a sophomore, in 2010 behind Justin Lee (batted .396).
* He missed his junior year after separating his shoulder in game 4 of 2011... at the time he had already scored 5 runs, had 4 RBI, a .563 OBP, .500 SLG, 1.063 OPS... AND would be a more "known name" without that injury.
* Lorkiewicz’s season ended yesterday: .404 AVG (23-57), 17 runs, 4 doubles, 4 triples, 1 HR, 21 RBI (top 3 in the area according to the Pilot), 8 stolen bases, .471 OBP, .649 SLG, 1.121 OPS... and this is with missing the first 2 games due to the lingering shoulder injury.
* The young man did all of this wearing a shoulder brace for this entire season & has a slightly torn labrum in his non-throwing shoulder.
* He had a clutch 2-run single in the 7th inning of the upset over GB.
* In the "head-to-head" matchup with Brown this past Tuesday... Lorkiewicz drove in the tying & winning runs with a 2-run double in the big upset over #1 NR... while Brown went 0-4 from the leadoff spot.

Needless to say, we are all biased to the players we see regularly... but to say that Stephen Lorkiewicz isn't even in the same class as Tyler Best & Tyler Brown is absolutely senseless. Anyone, with knowledge of the facts in the argument, should be able to develop a broader scope of understanding about Oscar Smith senior Stephen Lorkiewicz… "best 2B in the SED no one wants to recognize".

Now that is how you make a case, but I would point out Brown was 2-3 with an RBI while Lorkiewicz was 0-3 from the leadoff spot in the first head-to-head matchup won by NR.

How do the all district players get selected? Do the coaches recommend players from their own teams or do they have to vote only for players from other teams? Do they provide stats or do the coaches vote based on who they believe are the best they have faced? Anyone know the process?

Are you really trying to compare head-to-head games?

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Originally posted by redbird5:
Are you really trying to compare head-to-head games?

Agreed!

Not to take anything away from Lorkiewicz, he looks to have had a fine season. BUT, I think if one would like to utilize stats as the basis of an argument, then I will utilize the "what pitching did he hit" argument.

Clearly, a player, playing for one of the Top 4 teams, (at least this particular year), saw a steady diet of C. Jones, Blake, Rice, Brown, Bennett, etc. Which is to say that a Tyler Best or TY Brown having comparable offensive stats, to go along with stellar defensive play, puts them in a different category vs. a player who consistently saw the No. 3 or 4 every game.

That would also go for some of the other "less mentioned" names, for lower tier teams.

Some combination of the pitchers mentioned above will certainly occupy the 1st and 2nd team spots. If a position player didn't face a steady diet of that, then its difficult to give that player much consideration, when compared to other equally talented (or more so) players, who constantly faced it, and performed.

Lets be honest, NR, WB, Hickory, and GB saw their opponents best each and every game.

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Originally posted by GoHeels:

Agreed!

Not to take anything away from Lorkiewicz, he looks to have had a fine season. BUT, I think if one would like to utilize stats as the basis of an argument, then I will utilize the "what pitching did he hit" argument.

Clearly, a player, playing for one of the Top 4 teams, (at least this particular year), saw a steady diet of C. Jones, Blake, Rice, Brown, Bennett, etc. Which is to say that a Tyler Best or TY Brown having comparable offensive stats, to go along with stellar defensive play, puts them in a different category vs. a player who consistently saw the No. 3 or 4 every game.

That would also go for some of the other "less mentioned" names, for lower tier teams.

Some combination of the pitchers mentioned above will certainly occupy the 1st and 2nd team spots. If a position player didn't face a steady diet of that, then its difficult to give that player much consideration, when compared to other equally talented (or more so) players, who constantly faced it, and performed.

Lets be honest, NR, WB, Hickory, and GB saw their opponents best each and every game.

Without trying to step on any toes...that is probably a very accurate assessment.

REPONSE TO GoHeels (& mathews41):


To clear something up...


Oscar Smith:


... faced Ryan Blake & Spenser Carter (Hickory's #1 AND #2) in their 2 meetings.


... faced Troy Jones, Brian Beard, and Cooper Jones vs GB (Although not Conner Jones... it's DEFINITELY their 2, & 3) and scored 9 in the 2nd game. As a matter of fact, GB has 6 runs or less in every game this season except the 7 & 9 they allowed to NR & the Oscar Smith game. OS scored 7 earned runs in one inning with Cooper Jones starting that inning on the mound (I think some would agree that Cooper pitched in and won some pretty big postseason games for GB last year).


... faced Zach Rice & Kyle Moore vs NR (Their 1a & 2.. Again, Kyle Moore would be a clear #1 or #2 for most). This past Tuesday, before the game vs OS, the Pilot listed Moore as having the lowest Public School ERA at 0.79. Smith scored 6 earned in 4.1 IP vs Moore that night.


... faced Rutherford (twice) & Bennett vs WB (their #1 & #3)... Rutherford will be their #1 in 2013.


... faced Roger Hall & Robert White each TWICE vs IR (their #1 & #2).


... faced Robert Fitzwater TWICE vs Lakeland (their #1).


... faced Seth Winslow TWICE vs DC (their #1).


And let's be perfectly clear... in the games between the "big guns" Hickory, WB, GB, NR and Oscar Smith, who was facing "better pitching" in those 8 games in your opinion?


So weren't the "lower teir" teams at a "disadvantage" because they didn't face their own team's "sub-par" pitching, while for example, no NR batters had to face Rice, Brown, or Moore? (There are 2 sides to the coin)


Honestly, the whole All-District argument by biased parents/fans is silly in the first place... But all I would ask is that if you are going to try and diminish Lorkiewicz's or Oscar Smith's talent & accomplishments, back it with REAL FACTS, not misguided assumptions.


In all honesty though, it'd be great if you could "back your guy" without trying to knock down another player in the first place!

So the obvious question here is, who will represent the first team for the other positions that are not being discussed?

Since it's not being discussed I'm assuming that everyone is in agreement on the obvious winners for the OF will be the tandem of Christian Lowery, Spenser Carter and Zach Niece?

'59 Tiger, Excellent response and way to use facts to shoot holes in the argument about the pitching that Stephen L. faced.

Diamond Stalker, Way to stir the pot. I believe someone suggested Moore, Brooks and Beard for OF. It may have been in another thread.

The fact of the matter is that WB,NR,HH,GB all have the best players. I mean you people that post have a case of A$$. Do you see the results year in, year out? Or are you just a bunch of morons that don't know the game. It's like someone post something then it gets blown up. Why can't their be 2 first team SS for (Lowe and Campbell) then Best is still in the equation. The kid from OS is an above average player at best. Their may be good players that go unnamed but thats what happens when you don't win. I'm sorry would you like a pat on the back for not making it. Man up, get the job done and win some baseball games and then you can talk about where you think your kids belong!!!

59 tiger, in the game oscar smith beat great bridge troy jones did not pitch at all, he had pitched monday and than pitched the following monday in a make up game. Please make sure that i am correct. If remember brian beard started followed by staff that night, which was a great win for there program

We do not base awards off of how good a player is. WE BASE IT OFF THE SEASON THEY ARE HAVING. And when you look at the statistics , this year Lorkewiez is having type of season to garnish 1st team honors. You don't move someone out of position just to satisfy the politics that go into all of this nonsense. Lorkewiez should be first team. And unless you can find a second basemen that has had a better season , then he should be first team. the same goes for the rest of the positions . Just because there are many high quality players at the same position , only one can be chosen, tough luck to the ones that didn't win , but at the end of the day, they're going to play baseball at the next level.