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The HS All-American list is the most comprehensive and flawless list of the top high school players in the country.


Tike-O,

Hope you weren't thinking I'm arguing the merits of All-American lists...I really don't think I've actually ever seen one and don't know who puts them out (And I really don't care).

I just thought it was kind of ridiculous that you were so condescending to beenthere for making the newbie mistake of wondering what the heck you were talking about.

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Before everyone gives me the "we're just here to talk baseball" b.s...

I predict Southlake is going to win the 6-5A division, and I think Coppell is going come in a disappointing 3rd behind FM Marcus. FD is going to overachieve with his group by the uplift of having a new head coach with a more positive atmosphere than his predecessor. Flower Mound comes in 4th, which is as good as you can do with the other three in the mix, and then the rest fall where they may.
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I'm with FD, let's go with the Rags predictions and just start the playoffs....

Hold on I think both Hebron and Lewisville might have something to say about it.

I actually think that it will be Marcus on the outside looking in, sorry FD.

What makes this district so much harder this year as opposed to other years is the 6 team make-up and the three games against each district opponent. Pitching will be at a premium, the winner of this district will need three healthy good pitchers all season long. The Tuesday - Friday format isn't any different but there are no "off" days on the District schedule and that adds stress and importance to each game.

JMHO
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Originally posted by ACowboyFan:
I'm with FD, let's go with the Rags predictions and just start the playoffs....

Hold on I think both Hebron and Lewisville might have something to say about it.

I actually think that it will be Marcus on the outside looking in, sorry FD.

What makes this district so much harder this year as opposed to other years in the 6 team make-up and the three games against each district opponent. Pitching will be at a premium, the winner of this district need three health good pitchers all season long. The Tuesday - Friday format isn't any different but there are no "off" days on the District schedule and that adds stress and importance to each game.

JMHO


No problem Cowboy Fan, we do not deserve any respect until we earn it on the field.
FD,

The Cowboy faithful respect Marcus and I am sure you as well.

The problem for Marcus and every other team in District 6-5A is which two or three other teams do they focus on.

The old adage of "we have to play the games one at a time" is especially true this year in this District.

I hope I'm wrong about Marcus as long that isn't at the expense of Coppell. Regardless of who is on the outside looking in, two very good teams will be left at home when the playoffs start.
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I really don't think I've actually ever seen one and don't know who puts them out


Some of us gray haired boys noticed that.

Some of you boys that have now been around for four years are beginning to gray.

To the gray haired boys the All-American concept is a collegiate honor.

Stretching it down to high school is a little presumptious regardless of the quality of the athlete listed.

As your hair begins to gray into the collegiate leagues, you wil soon learn that every major newspaper in the country, particularly in towns like Austin, Oklahoma City, and even Fort Worth has a collegiate All-American list.

So, the fact that these lists are created by journalists should tip you off that the lists are in fact suspect.

And, it should come as no suprise to you, that the Austin American All-American list is somewhat weighted to their local school.

Same with the Oklahoma variety.

The honor comes when you are from the Lubbock area and are on the Austin American All-American list, or the Oklahoma version.

If you read down far enough, and see your name, on the 3rd or 4th team, you will realize that you have just read the entire starting line-ups for the Big 12 conference.

It is an honor, but it is also a joke.

In seven years some of you will have enough gray hair to appreciate this if you have any hair left.

Tike-O, will be completely gray in a few months if he has any hair left.

You newbies could use a good Swami.

It will be all you can do to comprehend the All-District selections in a few months.

You will not be able to fathom how your son was a Pre-Season high-school collegiate All-American, leading his team in every district offensive and defensive category and a senior kid,who played in three district games, gets the District MVP while your son receives an honorable mention.

This was a self-cleansing post, PDiddly.

It does appear that this, and, other districts around the area, will, once again, return to once revered levels.

And, for those of you who have trouble determining fact or fiction, some of the things in the post are true, and, some are not.
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FO,

I swore I was done with this thread, but you brought me back and you are my hero. You smelled what the rock was cookin'.

It has been too long since we visited. I read "Moneyball" recently and I thought of Matty. I hope the former TT catcher is rehabbing well...send me a note to that effect.

Sometimes my smart-arse takes over my smart...just ask collikar.

I have no hairs to gray, but those that live are silvery. You speak the truth, for those that take the time to read your wisdom.

I have no beef with the newbies...my time on this board draws soon to a logical end.

Looking forward to reading about the shortcomings of tychcobrat#1 on the collegiate boards. I bet I make some great friends there.
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Looking forward to reading about the shortcomings of tychcobrat#1 on the collegiate boards. I bet I make some great friends there.


A six for eight weekend will get you noticed on the collegiate boards. An ofer weekend will bring a great debate about your protege's capabilities.

Observed there occasionnally (would you fix that colikar), but nary a post, if anyone can believe that.

Have never seen a collegiate pre All-Star list.......................

That would be an honor and a joke.

As for the bigger boards, forgive them for they know not what they do, most of the time, except for an occasional visit from an insider.

Yet, another amusement to observe, from afar, without comment................

The rehab continues, and likely, will for some time, while the preparation pace continues to accelerate for a 3/8 departure.

Another fascinating process to observe, equally, without comment.................
It appears that coaches from around the State have the same view as do many of the posters on this board.

The Austin American Statesman website is reporting on the Texas High School Baseball Coaches poll, and shows that the coaches pre-season Top Ten is:

CLASS 5A

1. Coppell
2. Houston Bellaire
3. Flower Mound
4. Southlake Carroll
5. Klein
6. Laredo United
7. Plano West
8. SA Reagan
9. Spring Branch
10. Katy

I know-- you have to prove it on the field. But surely, the fact that the High School coaches themselves place 3 District 6-5A teams in the top 4 in the State should suggest that this is one tough District.
Just new to this blog. Resident of Southlake and a big baseball fan. Kids are on their own and I am retired and planning on watching a lot of HS baseball this spring.

From what I have read and researched, Coppell should be the heavy favorite in 6-5A. But what I don't know is how strong their pitching is.

SL last year was carried to the state finals because of two strong starting pitchers and some timely offense. Their two starters and closer graduated. Their pitching is a big ? Hitting should be stronger than last year. A lot of things clicked last year.

I cannot imagine another district tougher than 6-5A.
I was just checking out the DMN site and the Flower Mound roster is posted. They have 30 players listed and I think that most of them actually belong on the roster. It will be interesting to see how the coach uses them all. Do wonder they are highly rated.

If Coppell wasn't in the same district I might even go watch them play and cheer for them.
I was reading this thread and happened to notice this quote by Tiger80

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Speaking of the summer awards...Chris Davis ring any bells? Who knew him before last MLB season...someone made an outstanding remark earlier..."Let's re-visit this in 4 years"


I think re-visiting in 5 years might be even better. BTW, there are people who knew Chris Davis when he was in high school. Chris Davis was graded as high as this "group" grades while he was still a junior in high school. We actually took some guff for ranking him so high at that time.

Scroll down at this link, look at the grade and read the report.
Chris Davis High School Junior
Freshman team has not had a close scrimmage yet. They are racking up some injuries that I am not liking too much. Broken thumb, broken wrist, sprained back...luckily we have depth!

Varsity has played well since the Plano East scrimmage. We scrimmage Keller at the Ballpark in Arlington tomorrow night, then it is regular season time!

As for those district predictions getting wrecked, still way too early to tell. Us doing well might wreck some predictions, but not ours!

Lots of stuff going on at FMHS, but it is not my place to say.

You think if I give Coach English a ball for his starters to sign, I'll get it back? Big Grin
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In reviewing all of the discussion on the 6-5A one critical element has not been addressed and that is the coaching. Coppell has shown time and time again that it is only one failed suicide squeeze bunt away from elimination when it gets to the playoffs. In other words, never underestimate the "English" factor when trying to predict results.

As one prominent DFW coach said "I always look forward to playing Coppell. They generally have as good or better athletes then I do but I know English is usually worth 1 or 2 runs for my team if I'm on my game."
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Originally posted by 04 Prospect:
In reviewing all of the discussion on the 6-5A one critical element has not been addressed and that is the coaching. Coppell has shown time and time again that it is only one failed suicide squeeze bunt away from elimination when it gets to the playoffs. In other words, never underestimate the "English" factor when trying to predict results.

As one prominent DFW coach said "I always look forward to playing Coppell. They generally have as good or better athletes then I do but I know English is usually worth 1 or 2 runs for my team if I'm on my game."


So, 04P this sounds a little personal. Did you play for Coach English and not like your PT?

Either way your post just doesn't hold water with the Cowboy faithful. All High School coaches have their issues and Coach English will be the first to tell you that he has his. But the whole "failed suicide squeeze" just doesn't hold water especially in 6-5A, see Flower Mound. Two years ago Coppell got beat by Midland Lee because they executed a suicide sqeeze. In high scholl baseball you better be able to get a bunt down when asked come to think about it that goes for all levels.

It is hard to keep a 5A coaching job and be successful. How any man balances developing young men, developing baseball players and winning while keeping the Boosters happy is a mystery to me. But Don English is a good man and continues to be a successful coach and we will keep him and I think this year he might even be good enough to add a run or two to each game. JMHO
Fan, answer is yes but not sure what you mean by PT.

I assume you have been associated with the Cowboys and English since he started at Coppell. If not, ask some of the old timers like MW or KW how many times the 'Boys have lost a critical game due to their failed suicide squeeze attempts. Every one knows it's coming but he still does it. Why do you think there are so many pitch outs by the other team in that situation? I don't care how much you practice you can't expect a player to lay down a bunt on a pitch 2 feet out of the zone.

Coppell has had so much talent over the years that a donkey could be "successful" coaching them - I apologize to anyone who has a donkey as I don't mean to insult it by comparing it to English.

As to developing young men and players he pretty much scores a zero. The core of players almost all get their refined skills and development outside the Coppell public school environment. I remember watching a bullpen warmup before a game when a pitcher (now a professional) was lambasted by English for doing what his professional teacher (with 140+ major league wins) told him to do - if you were the player who would you listen to - the big league guy or the guy who never stepped on the field for Texas? And I don't buy the developing young men thing unless you are 100% of the same personal persuasion as English is. The young men in Coppell pretty much learn to keep their mouths shut and live with him or take a stand as certain players have in the past and leave the team - last year was a good example of that and it was too bad that it had to end that way for the player involved.

Yes, the Cowboys have high expectations this year but it will be a miracle if they can overcome their major handicap - Don English.
04 P -

I don't and can't get into a battle over issues that are beyond me and hopefully behind Coach English. I have even talked to people who knew him from both the Plano East and Highland Park days so I have gotten many sides of the various stories...but I never had to play for him. I may not I agree with some of his player evaluations but I don't have to make a living as a 5-A baseball coach so I just try to be a good fan and parent and encourage my son and his friends to play ball.

I have learned to just enjoy watching the teams play and for the most part play well together over the last 3 years.

As for last year, MR was wrong to quit the team because he quit on the team not on Don English and it wasn't the first time that young man made that decision last year. Coach English just let him go the second time because after that last time the player couldn't be trusted to show-up, which wouldn't have been fair to the rest of the team. Because the issue was PT - Playing Time and it wasn't even his PT that he was upset about but about the PT of one of his friends.

But this year, there is none of that or those issues, not with players or parents etc.... This year Coach English even has a former major leaguer working with the pitchers and calling the pitchers. It seems we all are learning and growing and trying to be better...even Coach English.

If Coppell produces such great athletes then why can't they win at football or basketball like they do in baseball? It is always easy to blame a coach but what about personal responsiblity?

You have your opinion and it is duely noted and I can see your points and I have been at many of the games that didn't turn-out the way we wished they had. I most likely even cheered for you and your success if you did play for Coach English here at Coppell, which it sounds like you did. But please do us Cowboy fans a favor, give the old ball coach ( if not this current set of players) the benefit of the doubt for this season and leave the "English" question for discuss at the end of the year. And if he lives down to your low expectations please by all means make sure we remember your sage warning and opinion.

Please root for the team and not against the coach. This year I think the Coach just might live up to the high expectations he has for himself and the rest of the baseball world have for his team.

as the youth say - peace out my brother.
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Originally posted by 04 Prospect:
Top 4 teams all stumble and take losses in this week's tournaments. I would like to hear what happened to Coppell - tough competition for sure but 3 straight losses??? Did they just get outplayed, out coached, injuries, or something else? Thanks.


Coppell and Plano West came across The Woodlands top two pitchers. That's what happened.
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Originally posted by 04 Prospect:
Top 4 teams all stumble and take losses in this week's tournaments. I would like to hear what happened to Coppell - tough competition for sure but 3 straight losses??? Did they just get outplayed, out coached, injuries, or something else? Thanks.


As for the Cowboys I'm not really sure, still scrathing my head over the whole weekend. Maybe a little of all the above.

But overall I would say the team is just a little behind where they need to be with their pitching. The injuries are all getting better and Tuesday should see one player return to the field which will improve both the batting line-up and defense. Today's starter worked 4 innings and this was only his second outing since last fall...so progress is being made and Coppell could have just as easily been 3-1 this weekend instead of 0-3-1.

Tuesday will really be the true test.
If you are rated #5 in the country you better be able to handle any pitcher if you want to keep that ranking. So in retrospect the rating was probably too high and it will be next to impossible to recover a decent ranking.

The real games that count - district - don't start until Tuesday. It will be an interesting test that plays out to see which of these 6-5A teams have what it takes. What are the current thoughts after 2 weeks of how it will play out?
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Originally posted by ACowboyFan:

If Coppell produces such great athletes then why can't they win at football or basketball like they do in baseball? It is always easy to blame a coach but what about personal responsiblity?



I want to steer away from the personal stuff and respond to this.

These athletes aren't in a vacuum. You are forgetting that baseball is much different than football and basketball. Coppell isn't the wealthiest but it does have some money, this money enables the proper instruction because baseball is largely a skill - no matter how good of an athlete you are, if you don't possess the skill you can't play. This money also puts these kids on the top select organizations, where they truly grow and become better players.

This isn't a knock against the coach but their baseball program is built from its youth on up, not as they get to high school.
RLB-

You are 100% correct about the development of the core players on the best teams. Some are fortunate to have a good high school coach augment what they get from playing select ball but overall their learning comes from elsewhere. In the Coppell situation the hope is that the coach does not undo the quality instruction players receive outside the high school environment - see my previous comments.
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Originally posted by PAW-FECT:
Cowboy

Who is calling the pitches?

Confused


Did somebody answer and I missed it?



OK...OK.....

It is great that Ex-pro guys want to give help and input when asked but......

CHHS had the stands full of guys last year (a who's who in baseball), four kids that had pro dads but my advice would be to get a team SHRINK to work on chemistry and staying focused on TEAM!

My sons dad played some ball...it saved us some money on pitching lessons but his drive to be the best is what has helped him develop the most!

Much is being said about "Money" it does help develop the player but don't forget the kids with talent playing stick ball on dirt fields in far away lands!

Money has not fixed anything in MLB ....I pray money will not ruin youth baseball and I look to the day that we could all reach out to kids with out the means but "talent" and help them along the way.
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Originally posted by collikar:
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Originally posted by ACowboyFan:
This year Coach English even has a former major leaguer working with the pitchers and calling the pitchers.



Cowboy,
Who is this former major leaquer? Is it Tommy Tiger? If so, he's really busy! His 13's are amazing! PM me if you rather not post it.


Your guess isn't even a former Major Leaguer.
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Originally posted by ACowboyFan:
So, 04P this sounds a little personal. Did you play for ______ and not like your PT?


ACowboyFan, I think 04 P does have some great advice at the end of his typical post.

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Bob Feller:
Every day is a new opportunity. You can build on yesterday's success or put its failures behind and start over again. That's the way life is, with a new game every day, and that's the way baseball is.
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