Am I being naive- Do other coaches do this?

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There is a problem with reporting him. Turns out that his biggest supporter is the booster club president - who donated a large sum of money to the program.

Assuming this is all true I will ask the following question Is this a high school team?

booster club president a friend donates a lot of money always a good reason to have a booster club

Yes - high school team.

The booster club president donated the money - he is the coaches' biggest supporter.

to tell you the truth I find this hard to believe. Must be a joke!!!!!

I wish it were. Do other coaches do any of this? I know some get in trouble for emailing, but what about the facebook? and chewing tobacco?

If all that is true, it is terrible. I would go beyond the booster club to the school's AD and principle. This guy should not be around HS kids. Something much worse is bound to happen, like he and the kids getting arrested for underage drinking and contributing to the delinquincy of minors. Maybe didn't happen yet, but will if this type of thing continues. I would definetely make someone in the school administration aware.

hitenrun

Not defending the coach and his behavior but how do you get these "facts"----where you there to witness them?

TR - yes some... the facebook pics - he friended my son on facebook and I saw his drunk pictures, the chewing tobacco... I and most of the parents have witnessed them dipping, obviously the emails since they were sent to all of us. I know for a fact that he has invited my son to hang out with him. My son will not give me all the scoop, because he wants to be loyal to his coach, but he has told me of some of the other incidents. With that said, I have no first hand knowledge of the spring trip incident, but I know that the coaches requested a night out and went.

The thing is, the boys like this coach. He's like the cool coach. As a parent, do you look the other way?

Why hasn't a parent passed on the Facebook links to the school? I can't imagine a coach could ask a black kid why he doesn't have AIDS without the kid telling his parents and the parents bring it to the attention of the school.

Can you pass on a facebook link? I thought you had to be a friend of the person in order to see their page. I can only see the pictures if my son leaves his facebook open. I cannot go on without a password.

And the African American boys that were asked that (I did not hear it personally), were the 3 seniors who quit, so they're done with it. Coincidentally, our African American Coach mysteriously took a leave of absence at the same time, never to be seen again. Without a peep to the boys as where he went.

I think the AD is aware of some of the incidents - some parents have spoken up. But to my knowledge he is still the coach.

So do I report him or look the other way?

IMO, Chewing tobacco is the least of my concerns in this list.

This is not a booster club issue. It is a principal, ad, and school board issue. the guy would be gone from any school I have ever had contact with.
and to answer your question; NO, not many other hs coaches do this.

Sounds like an immature kid who can't/ won't grow up.
Is he in his twenties?

Cball - yes 26 or 27. I am going up against a mighty force with the Booster Club Pres. He is well connected.

Report it. As a parent your priorities are to the safety and well being of your child. Baseball should be a far secondary concern in this situation.

Print the pictures and give them to the principal or AD. Forward them any inappropriate emails. And by all means get your child's passwords for the websites they visit.

You say you know your son has not told you some stuff out of loyalty to his coach - his loyalty is to you first and foremost.
If I knew my son was hiding something that could potentially harm him you better believe that I would do everything in my power to find out what that was and ensure he was not put in that situation again.

Sounds a little fishy to me - but if it were me I would ask my son to tell me everything that has happened, collect all the evidence, tell my son he could not play for this coach and take everything to the school/authorities.

Your making my head spin, if true ....in my neck of the woods this coach would quietly disappear. Then there is the nice way .... Report the coach, the booster and anyone who condones these actions. All you need is a couple of parents and a strong local politician. And please get your son away from a bad situation.

Are you saying you are sneaking or trying to sneak into your sons Facebook page(s)to spy on him---now that is scary on your part--invading your sons privacy like that!!!

Hope your son does not find out !!!!


I also agree with Ozone regarding our neck of the woods

Another item-- I follow and communicate with my players, past and present, on Facebook---they react to a Facebook message quicker than an email---it can be a great tool---also they may get a note from me if I see them post something inappropriate and out of line

Dear hitenrun

I know what coach you are talking about and I would like to say shut up. These are ridiculous allegations that you are making and you need to get a life. the coaches of this team do more for us (yes i am a player) than anyone has ever done in our lives. I look up to every one of them. The fact that they make themselves available to us at any time (or as you said, inviting the boys to hang out with them) is special. not many coaches do that.

Feel free to grow a pair and stop posting behind a false name.

Thanks for your time

TR - My son left his facebook page open on the family computer. And furthermore, I think as a parent there is nothing wrong with knowing who your kids are talking with online. Apparently there are no pedophiles in Connecticut... or creepy Coaches posting drunk photos of themselves for all to see and asking your underage daughter to bars. Lucky you!

player for the team -
If you can identify your coach from those bullet points then you have just confirmed that they are true. Thanks for confirming what others found hard to believe.

Geeez maybe there is more than 1.

hitenrun

I've heard these false statements before and they are not true. you make me sick. also, to take a stab at the most dedicated parent on the team? thats just sad. grow up. you're only embarrassing your kid.


Note to others: This coach has done nothing wrong, there are just multiple parents who believe they know how to run a team.

Also, nothing has been confirmed, your lies wont go far. It would be a shame if your unjust words caused the downfall of the best (yes the best) coach in the history of this school.

I've lost SO much respect for the parents of the players on this team. Sit and the bleachers and watch- thats where you belong.

hitenrun

You are making some very heavy allegations---

WHAT IS A DRUNK PICTURE?

You strike me as being a total a s s---yes we have pedophiles in CT just as every state has---

I hope you have proof for all these allegations because you could be looking at a super lawsuit against you for defamation---

Do you notice yopu already have players coming to his defense----it is people like you that scare me more than coaches you look to degrade and ruin their lives

Got to love your reply to the question as to whether or not you witnessed all this--and you say "yes some"---what the hell does that mean? Did you or didnt you witness it all?


As a parent , and I have 5 kids , we have respect for each others privacy just as my wife have for each other---I dont go into my wifes pocketbook nor does she she go into my wallet--not because we are hiding anything but because we have RESPECT for each other--nor have I ever gone into any of my kids rooms looking to "check them out"--perhaps we are fortunate that we do not have or ever had a "family" computer---but then if you had any respect for his privacy you could have simply closed that window---

You sound like one of those parents I would not want around my team

TR - you have a PM
Thanks

Playerforteam -
You do not sound like a player to me. Kids do not use the term "special" when talking about a coach. They also do not check "Coaches" discussion boards or post rants about how great another parent is, and how much respect they have lost for parents at 12:30 am . Kids do not do that, but I think a Coach back from the Bar would. Please set me straight on the lies... I'm all ears.

PG -
I have been a member since 2008. I've always read the posts, but never participated. I really don't want to report this Coach, I want him to resign and go away, and seriously consider not working with kids. I am hoping that he does so to avoid further action.

I am also a parent of a player on this team, and I am concerned that the statements are baseless, and potentially very damaging to the young man whose position is on the line here. I am not talking about damaging only to his future as a coach, but the fact is that this man has a very responsible position outside of coaching, had to be seriously vetted for that position, and actually, probably would not hold that position if even a fraction of what was said here is true. What is being discussed seems largely based on unreliable hearsay, and people really need to think twice about posting this kind of damaging stuff.

The fact is that this coach has now been with the program for several years (first as assistant coach and last year as head coach), and this is the first time any of this kind of stuff has been raised. That should say something. Also, this coach has brought a lot of positive energy to the program, has put a strong emphasis on a balance between school and sports, has strengthened the program, and has raised the expectations for the kids in this program to get themselves prepared to play at a high level. His communications to kids and to parents have always direct about what he expects, and he expects a lot.

This is not to condone any of what was described. But it sure seems to me that before people get set to agree with all of these hearsay allegations, some thought be given to the impact on this young man, and to what he has accomplished with this team in just one year as head coach.

Greenmonster -
You sound like a lawyer... And you are very astute to immediately identify your son's coach by the bullet points posted. If these are baseless, how do you know it is your son's Coach? If you really are parent of a player on this team, you know that this not the first time this Coach has been in trouble. Remember the Coach quit during his JV reign because of the emails he sent to all of us about a player?


I have the pictures from the facebook page. How would I get those?

I am disturbed also - this is not what our boys need to be around.

Where I teach, facebook participation by teachers is extremely frowned upon by the administration. No one currently on the faculty has one.

Anyway, if half of what you say is true, report it with some supporting evidence directly to the principal. Some AD's will go overboard protecting their coaches, whereas principals are more accountable to parents.

Oh so you're all ears? how about this.
shut it. one of my teammates told me about this forum. you are constantly making ridiculous statements about this coach, saying he just got home from a bar to post on a little high school website? listen to me. grow up. sorry that i dont have a bedtime like a 5 year old, i was up at 1230.

And yes I AM going to talk about how great that parent is, he has done more for this program than you ever will and I have the upmost respect for him.

Oh and yes i used the word "special" congrats. I am a kid, and Im going to go far in life, Im so glad ive grown up around this coach and I wouldnt trade these past few years with this man for anything.

were you aware he volunteers his time to teach baseball at FCA camps? what a bad influence...

I agree with player from team. shut up. your lead argument of if you know the coach from these points then obviously their true is ridiculous. how many teams who's seniors were all African-American quit and one happened to be an all state track runner. that how we know who it is not because all of these bullets are true. your points are terrible and i am heavily involved with the program your attempting to discredit so i think i would know. he friended his players on facebook? my gosh hes a terrible man. he likes his players enough to friend them on facebook. what an awful coach. and now you tell us you can visually identify with 100% certainty someone is drunk? if you could just teach cops your amazing skill we wouldn't need breathalyzers and drinking and driving would be non existent. and you were there when the coaches made you son chew tobacco? why didn't you stop them? and now we find out that he protected members of the team? i see what you mean he really is horrible. and are you actually blaming him for 2 seniors who had more important things to do then baseball and 1 who loved track more then baseball. it wasn't punishment it was a bit of fun conditioning to get our legs ready for the regional game. asked if they had aids? never happened. ever. not only did he friend them on facebook but wanted to hang out with them too? from your bullet points im sure no player would accept his offer. emails? nope none of those either. you were pretty close on a couple of the last ones except they never happened. boy if only the booster president knew the coach was friends with his kids. im sure he wouldn't protect him then. have you even talked to the coaching staff about this? you must have because im sure you would have called him first to talk about your issues with him instead of posting them on a public website and pretending not to know if the things you said he did were good or bad. with all of these bad things he does it seems impossible that he would do something like win their first regional game or have one of the winning est seasons in the schools history. and he never quit on JV. he was not the one who typed the email about the kid and therefor would have no reason to quit because of that. your having a little trouble with telling the complete truth on the forum. o well maybe someone will say whats really going on. wait a second...

Let me get this straight. Maybe I missed something here.

Someone posts for the first time mentioning things about an unknown coach from an unknown part of the country.

Others posting for the first time know who this coach is and someone whose posting actually plays for this unnamed coach from an unknown part of the country.

We have a difference in opinion about this unknown coach/person. How do so many people who have never before posted here know who this unnamed person is or where he coaches?

Confusing stuff! Must be much more to all this!

iv started reading the posts on this sight for a couple years but this is the only post that made me mad enough to create an account so i can respond and make sure the whole truth was put out there

Ok so you guys are all from the same high school and same area. You could easily go somewhere and hash this out face to face but yet you choose to bicker in a forum.

Hmmmmm........I smell a troll.

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Originally posted by player against over-involved parents:
iv started reading the posts on this sight for a couple years but this is the only post that made me mad enough to create an account so i can respond and make sure the whole truth was put out there

And with no mention of state, school or coach's ID, you had to come on and defend a coach who was described only by inappropriate behavior.


Hmmmmmmmmmm.

PG Staff and Jimmy03

He was not described only by inappropriate behavior.

It was noted that all of the seniors on the team quit-this is the truth, they did not contribute and did not get playing time, no hard feelings with them.

That we ran sprints-also the truth. (The idea was not to convince the ramaing players not to quit, but to show that we were a team, so when one person left, we all felt it) a great coaching move and lesson.

Also, just to add about how we know who coach this is; there have been parents complaining about this coach the entire season (mainly because lack of playing time for their sons) including other attempts to get him fired. Weird that this happens after the greatest season in the past few decades...

one more thing hitenrun..

why is it so hard to believe that I would use the word special, go on "rants" about great parents, who you should admire as well, and talk about how I have lost respect for these parents?

Is it because its SO hard to believe that I'm educated? quite well may I add. And the fact that I actually CARE about this coach? He is the most influential person I have ever met and I'll be on his side no matter what you say. And yes my respect is gone, sorry to break it to you, but you have no right to be in the middle of a coaching debate, this man in coaching the kids, not you.

Thank you for your time

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Also, just to add about how we know who coach this is; there have been parents complaining about this coach the entire season (mainly because lack of playing time for their sons) including other attempts to get him fired. Weird that this happens after the greatest season in the past few decades...

Dude - you just described 99.9% of high school coaches of all sports throughout the nation.