My junior CF got his invite on Thursday. Anyone else out there get their's yet?
Dates are June 13 at Baylor and June 26 at Texas A&M.
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If I was interested in helping young ball players obtain their baseball goals, I'd know about Area Code.
quote:Originally posted by FormerObserver:
The importance of the invitation means that a major league scout has requested you be invited to the tryout.
quote:So this particular scout in your particular area has extended an invitation on his findings/evaluation or from reference?
quote:Originally posted by Bighit15:quote:So this particular scout in your particular area has extended an invitation on his findings/evaluation or from reference?
It is my understanding that a MLB scout gives your name to the scout running the tryouts and then he decides and gives invites.
quote:Originally posted by Panther Dad:
Ken, are you going to drag this out or include your objections to this thing?
quote:Originally posted by Panther Dad:
After all, one of the purposes for summer select is to gain exposure.
quote:Originally posted by SWAC:
I thought you were retired Gut? I see you are at it again. When are we starting you son's select team so we can get him ready for Area Code Tryouts in 2023?
quote:Whether it is good for the player or not, if I was a scout for a big league club and found a player that I really liked the last thing I would want to do would be to show him to my competing 29 other big league teams and their scouts.
quote:I just have never understood all the hype about one particular day each year that is supposed to open the gates for the rest of a players career.
quote:Originally posted by momandcpa:
I can say from my son's experience last year that the Area Code Tryouts gave him the MOST exposure of ANY other event/showcase/tournament he has ever attended. Whether or NOT you make the official team or not, the day was well worth the time and effort! There is absolutely NO doubt in my mind that a fair number of the D1 letters he has received were a direct result of the Tryouts. Again, I feel blessed he has been selected again this year.
quote:Not trying to be contraversial
quote:no matter where you play, who you play with, or who you play for.........each day you lace up your spikes you are being exposed. No one event, one venue, or one tournament can ever replace how you perform on a daily basis.
quote:Originally posted by FormerObserver:
momandcpa and the rest of ya,
You made the right decision for your son to accept the invitation to Area Code tryout.
I'd make it a point to accept ANY invitation to a legitimate MLB tryout.
You don't owe me or Ken Guthrie an explanation...............
quote:Originally posted by momandcpa:
I can honestly say that he didn't do his best (whatever that is) last year. As soon as we left the fields, he said, "I wish I could go back in there and give it a go again." I guess they saw potential, though... who knows?
Like FO said, I'm positive that there are MANY (make that countless) talented baseball players that have never attended the Area Code Tryouts. I'm speaking only from my son's experience.
Hope that helps...
quote:Originally posted by FormerObserver:quote:Not trying to be contraversial
Yes, you are, and I am not going to waste my time...........
quote:Originally posted by Vance34:
Area Code tryouts are not solely a result of the scouts. The high school coach is also involved based on his recomendation. It also isn't based on who puts up the best stats.
quote:Originally posted by Panther Dad:
Ken,
Now that we've reached a point in the discussion where some are tuning out, or looking for fireworks -- can you be more specific about your objections, if any, to this type of event? Are youconcerned about kids not looking their best? Are you concerned that this opportunity will bring with it unrealistic expectations? Do you see it as a risk for players that have obviously made an impression on at least one baseball guy?
I am truly interested in your overall impression of Area Code tryouts, etc.
-PD
quote:I had never heard of Area Code until the posting. I'm too scared to say anything one way or the other.
quote:Originally posted by Vance34:
It's not about the skills. It's about the tools. The reason all the scouts attend is because they can see 300 players all at 1 spot and they can make comparrisons with another player that is there. Its just a way to evaluate TOOLS.
They run the 60 yard dash......SPEED.....A TOOL
They throw from the outfield, infield, catcher...ARM STRENGTH/ GLOVE WORK......2 TOOLS
They hit with a wood bat in batting practice.....CONSISTENT HARD CONTACT/ POWER, strength.......2 TOOLS
Then the scout can gage those tools against everyone else there. Obviously, the best TOOLS GUYS move to the top of the list.
Playability and instincts are important to, but you have all summer and fall and spring to get a handle on that.
It's just a workout and a way for scouts to mingle with players and get to know their makeup and character. It's the 1st meeting and hand shake for most of them. It's a kid looking a scout in the eye's when he shakes his hand and respecting what he does. It's his ability to show how he was raised. It's the 1st phase of a long long interview that will take a year until the 07 draft.
quote:Originally posted by Vance34:
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Its important to note that skills and tools are 2 different things. A 95 MPH fastball is a TOOL and the pitchers ability to throw it to the spot he wants to is a SKILL. There are many skilled players who can flat play the game BUT lack GOOD TOOLS necessary to be a high draft pick or even a draft pick at all. A pitcher who can really carve with good control and command but only throws 82-84 MPH would have a skill but not a FB TOOL since major league avg. is 89-91. Now if he is 15-16 and is 6'5" then obviously he would go on the list to watch to see if he will get stronger. However, arm action and delivery make it eaier for a scout to determine that.
quote:Originally posted by Texan:
Ken, how about just making your point? Help some of us dumb ole' country boys & conserve those bits & bytes.
quote:Are you trying to say that the best players are not invited to AC, because scouts think they can "hide" them?
quote:you believe that a player good enough to be drafted (with the realistic expectation of signing) can remain hidden from all but one scout?
quote:The tryouts are really geared towards finding that magical or surprise pitcher.
quote:Originally posted by Vance34:
Everything is Relative Glad you finally answered the question. SCOUTS do not invite the kids. ANYONE is free to attend. If a HS coach recommended a player to a scout THAT player got an invite letter.
quote:So if you don't see the player now some one lese will see him later.
quote:SO KEN, go be a scout and hide a
quote:Originally posted by Texan:
To me, there is a pretty strong implication here that you think someone could be hidden. If you didn't think that, then why would this question even be posed?
quote:But I would appreciate a more direct approach.
quote:Former Observer SAID that everything for Area code team members is paid for by the Sponsoring pro teams.
quote:Area code baseball tryouts are sponsored by various major league teams by "area code".
So, in our area the sponsor is the Texas Rangers.
It is paid for by the major league team and there is no cost to the participant.
quote:SCOUTS do not invite the kids. ANYONE is free to attend. If a HS coach recommended a player to a scout THAT player got an invite letter.
quote:AC event does't mean squat in the reality of scouting or recruiting
quote:So, what are the key factors in the college recruiting process?
quote:at no cost to the players
quote:I thought the players travel expenses were funded to California.
quote:Originally posted by Vance34:
It will cost at least 4 grand to be on that team. Thats the low side.
quote:Originally posted by Bighit15:
Let us not forget how exciting and fun it is for all the players.
quote:Originally posted by Ken Guthrie:quote:But I would appreciate a more direct approach.
And I can appreciate your request, and actually I would rather do it your way. But sometimes when I post directly what I think, parents get offended. But I will certainly try...........
quote:As for the AC tryouts it seems like the B and C list players might have the most to gain from this mass, though brief, exposure even if they won’t make the AC team. It could be a chance to spark renewed or additional interest. Maybe someone decides to make time later to see a kid play with his own team because he had a good day at the tryout. Maybe they get on the radar for a DII or JUCO that had overlooked them.
quote:Don't let those opportunities pass by.
quote:Originally posted by OldDallas:
......I think think ..... coachets, etc. have they played with to get their? ...."
quote:Originally posted by Line Drive:
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My real question this. Who changed first? Was it the kids and parents or the system? And did the kids really abandon playing for the love of the game or have they just added this new behavior (attending showcases) in response to changes in the overall system that decides who gets to the next level of the game they still love to play?
quote:Originally posted by crawdad:
I don't want to put words into KG's mouth but I think that what really bothers him about Area Code and other "showcases" is the de-emphasis it puts on "team". I don't think there is any disputing that and i agree with KG that that is a trend that is growing.
Let's be honest - at the 16-18 year old level select summer teams are increasingly becoming "teams" that players play on when it is convenient for them. In other words when there are not Area Code, AFLAC, or Perfect Game showcases, or when there are not college camps or any number of events that take the player away from his select "team". Whether we like it or not these select "teams" are slowly becoming more of a collection of individuals who happen to wear the same uniform at certain times during the summer.
I don't have the answer and I struggle with this in dealing with my own son's quest to continue to play baseball beyond high school. I can honestly see within 10 years the demise of select "teams" as we know them. If what I see continues there will simply be a series of showcases or college camps that will take up most of the prime June - July summer schedules of most top "prospects" - and EVERY parent thinks their son is a "top" prospect.
Individualism is the way baseball is moving. I myself think the demise of baseball "teams" is not a good trend in the long run. Unfortunately we may all realize our loss after it is too late to do anything about it.
Now, with the above being said before anyone asks - if my son were lucky enough to get an Area Code invitation would he go?? Honestly, yes. But I would not feel good about him missing his summer team's games (even though they probably would not even miss him).