ARIZONA Team Forfeits Baseball Championship Final

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I understand both sides of the story...still it's too bad they could not play.

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I understand one side. What's the "I won't play because of a girl" side?

They should have let the runner-up to the team that forfeited play, so at tleast it could have been an earned championship.

Baseball is a boys sport.

I don't think I'd cancel the game but I'm getting sick and tired of everyone thinking they should get to do whatever they want.

The fact that the school doesn't offer softball is irrelevant. If she wanted to play softball so badly, she could find another school or wait until travel season starts.

Did I miss the rule that baseball is a "boys' sport"? I suppose that grown men then shouldn't be playing the "girls' sport" of softball and should stay on the baseball field?

Did you even read the article? The issue is that the other team wouldn't even play against the team with the girl (who, by the way, is their STARTING second baseman).

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Originally posted by ironhorse:
I understand one side. What's the "I won't play because of a girl" side?

Wrong or right, agree or not, they school that forfeited is a PRIVATE Religious school that did not believe in co-ed sports.

The school with the female player actually SAT HER the two games they played this other school (that forfeited) during the regular season.

The school that forfeited would have never competed against her period. She was added AFTER the season started.

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Way to get things going HaverDad!





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"...I'm getting sick and tired of everyone thinking they should get to do whatever they want."

I'm sorry to hear that papi. I was going to invite you over for sushi tonight, but I'm an oddball and do what I want. Yup, that's right...I cook my sushi! You wouldn't like it...it all tastes like KFC® when breaded and deep-fried!



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Oh Lord.

If you let women on the baseball field, next thing you know they're going to want the right to vote and have jobs and such.

Best to nip this in the bud while we can guys.

Well I guess if boys can't play on a girls' field hockey team then a girl shouldn't be allowed to play on a boys' baseball team. Seems fair enough to me!

http://msn.foxsports.com/other...d-hockey-team-042612

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"...and such."

It's the 'and such' that keeps me up nights!



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Originally posted by biggerpapi:
Baseball is a boys sport.

I don't think I'd cancel the game but I'm getting sick and tired of everyone thinking they should get to do whatever they want.

The fact that the school doesn't offer softball is irrelevant. If she wanted to play softball so badly, she could find another school or wait until travel season starts.

Ridiculous!

The more I read the posts the more I see the conundrum.

My first impression was that the forfeiting team's administration are religiously correct fools, sending the wrong lesson to youth in general, let alone their own team. How dare they not allow the team to compete for a state championship? Or were they more concerned that they would lose to the undefeated team anyway so why not cover it up by tarnishing a playoff?

Then I read the post about field hockey, a traditional girls sport and I don't think it would be right for a guy to play that. But let's face it, the skirts have a lot to do with that and there is a lot more contact.

But baseball still has periods of potential contact and potentially in not too delicate spots for an adolescent. Having said that, here in RI we have had a number of instances of girls participating in the traditional male bastion of wrestling. So if that can be rationalized, why not baseball?

Not sure what the right answer to this one is. I'm sure a lawyer somewhere will choose to get rich on it.

Our Lady of Sorrows Academy

I know where I am going for laughing at that...

A little more back story here:

http://www.highschoolsports.ne...ding-girl/54884832/1

"Our Lady of Sorrows school officials would not comment, but in a written statement, said the decision to forfeit was consistent with a school policy prohibiting co-ed sports."

"During Mesa Prep's two previous games with Our Lady of Sorrows, Paige didn't play out of respect for the opposing team's beliefs, but that wasn't going to be an option this time, Pamela said."

"Our Lady of Sorrows is run by the U.S. branch of the Society of Saint Pius X, a group of conservative, traditionalist priests who disagree with the reforms of the Vatican II Council in the 1960s and broke with the Catholic Church in the 1980s.

It is not clear whether the school's athletics policy originates with the Society or the school. Nor is it clear if the school accepts male and female students. Calls to Our Lady of Sorrow's athletic director and principal and to the Society were not returned Wednesday.

School officials did release a short statement saying they were discussing the matter and will release a written statement "at the appropriate time."

"This isn't the first time the issue has come up. Our Lady of Sorrows pulled out of a flag football tournament before it began last October because some teams had female members, Baum said.

Before the baseball season started, Our Lady of Sorrows asked all of its potential opponents if they had girls on their teams. At that point Mesa Preparatory did not —Sultzbach came on board later — so the religious school did not learn of her participation until the first time they played, Baum said.

Baum said he wishes Mesa Prep had been more consistent in its policy rather than sitting her in the regular-season games and insisting she play in the state championship.

Our Lady of Sorrows athletic director Gerry Violette has put in a motion for the association's meeting next week that would create separate boys and girls sports, Baum said. But that doesn't ease the disappointment of the way this season ended, Pamela said."

Not much of an issue it seems.

Someone is stirring the pot.

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Originally posted by 2013 Dad:

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Originally posted by biggerpapi:
Baseball is a boys sport.

I don't think I'd cancel the game but I'm getting sick and tired of everyone thinking they should get to do whatever they want.

The fact that the school doesn't offer softball is irrelevant. If she wanted to play softball so badly, she could find another school or wait until travel season starts.

Ridiculous!

I've been called worse...today even.

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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
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"...and such."

It's the 'and such' that keeps me up nights!



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.... like posting on message boards .... ?

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You've noticed some of my rather late/early posts?



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"I've been called worse...today even."

That's right papi...I called you "a big prawn" earlier. You can handle it!

That reminds me...when using Panko crumbs should I deep fry 'em at 350°F or 375°F?



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Originally posted by gotwood4sale:
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You've noticed some of my rather late/early posts?



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just your post count! lol

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Oh, oh...am I headed to Posting Purgatory?



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I respect the school's right to follow their religious convictions regardless of my religious views as long as they're not pushing it on anyone else. But they had to know this matchup was a possibility. They were probably hoping the opponent would lose in the semifinals.

biggerpapi,
You know you are right. When it comes to playing softball or getting a solid education from a private school, play softball is always more important. If you can show me where in the rules of baseball it says that baseball is a boy's sport I would be happy to somewhat agree with you. But until then your post was lacking intelligent thought at best.

To me it's a safety issue. I would not want my daughter playing with guys at HS level. They are no longer 7. It's bad enough our sons getting hit by a pitch, why we would want our daughters up there? Think how the pitcher will feel if an inside pitch hit her.We have some guys here throwing 85-92. What about the catcher? If he puts a hard tag on her coming into home will he be too "rough" with a girl? My suggestion would be to take your talents to a really good girl softball team. She can't play baseball in college, but she can ply softball if talented enough.

This is a small Christian school. There may not be that much baseball talent at the school. There are 280 kids in seven grades. There are 11 on the baseball team. At the risk of ducking bricks I'll bet this is the case if a girl is starting. She probably has no interest in playing college softball. If she did she would be playing ASA softball.

I don't see a safety issue to be concerned with. There's a certain level of assumed risk associated with every sport. Buyer beware. The guys have to play they way they always do. If she gets hurt she chose to take the field like everyone else that day.



Anybody still worried about 85-92 mph fastballs?



The football team has sixteen players.

softball ain't exactly soft.

(got wood, Hel1o Kitty would never put you in posting purgatory, lol)

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Originally posted by 55mom:
softball ain't exactly soft.

(got wood, Hel1o Kitty would never put you in posting purgatory, lol)

While I won't say it doesn't hurt to get hit by a softball, a baseball is more dangerous. A softball is a lot softer than a baseball. Baseball's solution to a problem was BBCOR bats. Softball's solution several years ago was soften the core of the ball. A softball doesn't propel nearing as fast off the bat as a baseball.

What you guys don't seem to grasp is at this level of baseball, it is about as dangerous as Little League Juniors. We are talking a very small school playing against other very small schools. The girl would be in much more danger playing softball at the larger schools. The girls at the larger schools throw harder and hit harder than most of the kids on these teams.

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Originally posted by Doughnutman:
What you guys don't seem to grasp is at this level of baseball, it is about as dangerous as Little League Juniors. We are talking a very small school playing against other very small schools. The girl would be in much more danger playing softball at the larger schools. The girls at the larger schools throw harder and hit harder than most of the kids on these teams.

If anything, Doughnutman is understating the situation. The quality of play at this level would be stunningly low to anyone who watched. I doubt if either team has a single player who could make the roster of a team anyone would take seriously.

It's amazing that the one team won't play the other or that this could possibly be an issue at this point. If she is good enough, she should play.

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Originally posted by RJM:

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Originally posted by 55mom:
softball ain't exactly soft.

(got wood, Hel1o Kitty would never put you in posting purgatory, lol)

While I won't say it doesn't hurt to get hit by a softball, a baseball is more dangerous. A softball is a lot softer than a baseball. Baseball's solution to a problem was BBCOR bats. Softball's solution several years ago was soften the core of the ball. A softball doesn't propel nearing as fast off the bat as a baseball.

I meant the game of softball. (sorry) I could never throw a softball, but could make a baseball do whatever I wanted it to do.

Though the senior pitcher at son's high school threw a high inside pitch, the batter swung, and broke her arm. That was in 10th grade. She's got control and a huge scolly at a top 25 now.

I've heard this one talked about in the local media.

IMHO, Show up and play the other team.

You can't pick your team mates, you sure as heck can't pick your opponents. Go out there and play the best game in the world because God gave you the opportunity.

I'm just surprised she can hit while being barefoot and pregnant while wearing an apron. And how does that batting helmet fit over the curlers. Is that eye black or mascara sweetheart.

multitasking

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Look what you've done HaverDad!





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Originally posted by JMoff:
I've heard this one talked about in the local media.

IMHO, Show up and play the other team.

You can't pick your team mates, you sure as heck can't pick your opponents. Go out there and play the best game in the world because God gave you the opportunity.

You can't even pick your friend's nose.

As a traditional Catholic I completely understand this school's position. Just don't confuse this school with the novus ordo (vatican II) "catholic" system. They are completely separate.
The good thing about baseball and football is by the time college rolls around the chance you would find a girl on a men's team will be remote indeed.

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Originally posted by bostonbulldogbaseball:
As a traditional Catholic I completely understand this school's position. Just don't confuse this school with the novus ordo (vatican II) "catholic" system. They are completely separate.
The good thing about baseball and football is by the time college rolls around the chance you would find a girl on a men's team will be remote indeed.

You wouldn't see a girl on a high school varsity baseball team other than a very small school classification.

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Originally posted by Rob T:
If you let women on the baseball field, next thing you know they're going to want the right to vote and have jobs and such.

Best to nip this in the bud while we can guys.

Worse yet, they might let them play golf.