If I ever had a kid that has having a hard time I took him to the track myself and taught him interval training. Second phase if that failed was take him out in the country. Third step was find a road straight and down hill with the wind at his back. Bottom line was they all have made it and are proud of it.
let a slow running 90mph throwing lefty show up and I bet he changes the rule
It's not so much to punish slow kids as it is to find a way to help them find a way to achieve a tough goal. Your coach isn't going to sit there and let out a satisfying laugh with each kid that fails. He's going to try to find a way to help them succeed if he's worth his salt.
This is all much ado about nothing...
This is all much ado about nothing...
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let a slow running 90mph throwing lefty show up and I bet he changes the rule
And I bet he helps the kid find a way to succeed.
A timed mile isn't about speed it's about heart. If he throws 90 and has no heart he's gonna let you down in the long run anyway.
I sure would like to hear Funneldrill and Ken Guthries opinion !!! 
OK- enough on the mile thing. What about telling multiple parents that they will NOT instruct your child? Is this OK. Believe or not I coached for 6 years in high schoola around the state of Texas, from AA-AAAA. We never told parents, "You know what we are going to fill out a line up and not coach your kid, if you got a hicup in your mechanics or swing you are **** out of luck".
Again just looking for feedback because we will get private instruction and always have, but what about kids that do not have the means? Should a coach not impart there wisdom upon a 15-18 year old? Not to instruct is crazy. What if the offensive Line coach told the players he will not instruct on tech and they need to get private lin drills and such? Is this good?
Again just looking for feedback because we will get private instruction and always have, but what about kids that do not have the means? Should a coach not impart there wisdom upon a 15-18 year old? Not to instruct is crazy. What if the offensive Line coach told the players he will not instruct on tech and they need to get private lin drills and such? Is this good?
tmmbj, you from "east of dallas" by any chance?
Swingdoctor - are you the very famous high school coach who broke in a sophomore to varsity baseball with a road trip to Paris, Tx?
Grodster- nope
Still have not heard from anyone on the philosophy of telling a kid to go and get private instruction because the HIGH SCHOOL BASEBALL COACH IS NOT AN INSTRUCTOR.
Still have not heard from anyone on the philosophy of telling a kid to go and get private instruction because the HIGH SCHOOL BASEBALL COACH IS NOT AN INSTRUCTOR.
quote:Originally posted by longballs:
I sure would like to hear Funneldrill and Ken Guthries opinion !!!
There isn't much to add that hasn't already been said by Swingdoctor and TurnTwo.
In my first spring training as a Brewer, the whole minor league organization had to run a 6 minute mile.
As a summer coach, we do not run the mile simply because we don't have enough time to spend on things besides baseball itself. One advantage HS coaches have over summer coaches is time to build team chemistry. Swingdoctor touches on this with his post. Adversity builds a team. A 6 minute mile can be adversity.
Lastly, year 2000 in Baltimore and 2 years away from the game as a player. Rusty and I were having an argument over player conditioning in the dugout of Camden Yards during a rain delay. I popped off and said "I haven't done squat in almost 3 years and I can still run a 6 minute mile." The dugout erupted and cash rewards were flying all over the place.
The next day I showed up early to the park with first base coach Ed Napolean "Nappy" and strength coach Tim Lang. Rusty and I agreed 4 times around the warning track would be a mile.
After the first lap I thought I was going to die. Literally.
But with a bunch of cash on the line I wasn't quitting.
5 minutes 55 seconds was my time.
That day I learned "mind over matter" was even more powerful that I originally thought.
I was also $4500 richer.
You claim that on your taxes KG? 
Current Bull Pen Catcher for the Club ran a 5:05 back in the day gut, and didn't get anything but a smile. Man ~ wages have sure gone down hill in MLB.
OK tmmbj I'll bite on the instruction portion of your question. It's insane to tell a kid you're not gonna help him! From how to properly put on your pants and leggings, and shine your shoes, all the way to how to wear a hat. Offense - Defense - are in there as well. Trip to Paris Texas would never be believed by anyone on this forum. You actually got your debut at Richardson High School field when I sent you to umpires mtg with the lineup and you were in it. Shock!
OK tmmbj I'll bite on the instruction portion of your question. It's insane to tell a kid you're not gonna help him! From how to properly put on your pants and leggings, and shine your shoes, all the way to how to wear a hat. Offense - Defense - are in there as well. Trip to Paris Texas would never be believed by anyone on this forum. You actually got your debut at Richardson High School field when I sent you to umpires mtg with the lineup and you were in it. Shock!
quote:Originally posted by tmmbj:
OK- enough on the mile thing. What about telling multiple parents that they will NOT instruct your child? Is this OK. Believe or not I coached for 6 years in high schoola around the state of Texas, from AA-AAAA. We never told parents, "You know what we are going to fill out a line up and not coach your kid, if you got a hicup in your mechanics or swing you are **** out of luck".
Again just looking for feedback because we will get private instruction and always have, but what about kids that do not have the means? Should a coach not impart there wisdom upon a 15-18 year old? Not to instruct is crazy. What if the offensive Line coach told the players he will not instruct on tech and they need to get private lin drills and such? Is this good?
My advice is to tell your kid not to try out. You are either the kind of parent coaches can't stand or the kind of kid that makes so many excuses he isn't fun to coach. Play s****r.
quote:Originally posted by ironhorse:quote:Originally posted by tmmbj:
OK- enough on the mile thing. What about telling multiple parents that they will NOT instruct your child? Is this OK. Believe or not I coached for 6 years in high schoola around the state of Texas, from AA-AAAA. We never told parents, "You know what we are going to fill out a line up and not coach your kid, if you got a hicup in your mechanics or swing you are **** out of luck".
Again just looking for feedback because we will get private instruction and always have, but what about kids that do not have the means? Should a coach not impart there wisdom upon a 15-18 year old? Not to instruct is crazy. What if the offensive Line coach told the players he will not instruct on tech and they need to get private lin drills and such? Is this good?
My advice is to tell your kid not to try out. You are either the kind of parent coaches can't stand or the kind of kid that makes so many excuses he isn't fun to coach. Play s****r.
Ironhorse- why the hostility? So what you are saying if a parent (you assume I am a parent of a high school kid, I am not) has a question about the program and a philosophy, then they are bad and the team does not need them? That is odd to say the least. This board has very good baseball minds and lots of coaches. I am not a great baseball coach/mind. I am looking feedback. Lots of folks responded about the 6 minute mile and now I get it and support it. I asked another question about how much instruction a basebal coach should give and your intellegent response is DON'T PLAY. That is stupid and I hope you are not a coach. If the majority of folks on this board say it is acceptable for a coach to tell a parent he will not instruct them, I will go with it, just like the 6 minute mile thing. You have added no value to the topic but negativity. So tell me Ironhorse, if you had a kid entering high school and the coach told you that he will not instruct your child on anything, how would that sit with you?
tmmbj--I guess another question to address is what is your agenda here. Are you trying to gather support or opinions to confront the coach, or looking for support to bolster your position regarding the coach. I also find it hard to fathom that a high school coach,or any coach for that matter, seriously says he is not going to instruct a player. What will practice consist of then--rolling balls out for the kids to figure out what to do with??? Hitting ground balls with no feedback??? etc. I think we are missing a large part of the whole story here.
Where is Paul Harvey when you need him?
Where is Paul Harvey when you need him?
Texdex- good question. There is no agenda other than to gain an understanding. I will NEVER confront any coach. It is there program and I can live with it or go away. I really do not care if I put my kid in private school. I am just trying to understand. Let me clarify what instruction is. The head baseball coach said "We are not instructors, if your son has a problem then go get it fixed". I am sure they run practices and such. Keep in mind this was from a two high school parents. I guess the question is, are high school kids EXPECTED to have private instructors? I realize many do on their own, but is this expected to the extent the high school coach picks kids they do not have to really spend time working the fundamentals with?
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Ironhorse- why the hostility? So what you are saying if a parent (you assume I am a parent of a high school kid, I am not) has a question about the program and a philosophy, then they are bad and the team does not need them? That is odd to say the least. This board has very good baseball minds and lots of coaches. I am not a great baseball coach/mind. I am looking feedback. Lots of folks responded about the 6 minute mile and now I get it and support it. I asked another question about how much instruction a basebal coach should give and your intellegent response is DON'T PLAY. That is stupid and I hope you are not a coach. If the majority of folks on this board say it is acceptable for a coach to tell a parent he will not instruct them, I will go with it, just like the 6 minute mile thing. You have added no value to the topic but negativity. So tell me Ironhorse, if you had a kid entering high school and the coach told you that he will not instruct your child on anything, how would that sit with you?
The hostility is because you have some sort of agenda here. You tried to bash a coach on one issue and got no real support. So you crawfished and tried to hammer another (much more fictional) issue.
If a coach told you, in person, that he would not be instructing any kids this year, go straight to your AD. Period. I have a feeling this didn't actually happen. So you came to a message board.
This all just sounds way too unbelievable. More than likely the issue is with you or the player, not the coach.
Ironhorse- I see your point but believe me I have no agenda. I am just looking for thought process, that is all. Your point is well taken and observed.
Actually if you look at the original post I asked two questions, not separate. I now support the 6:00 mile because of the educated feedback I have received and I actually see value in that task. I do not like to see coaches put this requirement on kids to thin the herd, so to speak. If a kid cannot hit, pitch, field etc. Then cut them, but do not cut them just because they are slow in the mile. That makes more sense.
Actually if you look at the original post I asked two questions, not separate. I now support the 6:00 mile because of the educated feedback I have received and I actually see value in that task. I do not like to see coaches put this requirement on kids to thin the herd, so to speak. If a kid cannot hit, pitch, field etc. Then cut them, but do not cut them just because they are slow in the mile. That makes more sense.
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Here's a twist for you in the other direction. High school coach tells boys on first day that they are not to get any outside instruction, period. They'll learn everything they need to know by showing up to practice each day. If he finds out a boy is taking lessons, boy won't play. That's either extreme confidence or an extreme ego. Team record over a three year period was sub-.500.
I'll chime in on that as well. Our staff tried to keep a happy medium on private instruction. We didn't mind it at all involving hitting. A player getting extra cuts can only help unless instructor is telling him one way and his HS coach is telling him another. Confuses a kid much like the dinner table at home. However ~ we let a kid that was struggling and I mean struggling bad that the outside help wasn;t happening and he needed to start listening to us. Very gray area but it was never a problem. Pitching is different once we start playing. Pitchers get charted on every pitch they throw and a count is monitored by the staff and outside philosophys as well as wear and tear on the arm spells disaster. One coach and that coach needed to be at school. Never saw a private instructors name in a newspaper article describing the downturn of a team and the losses they might be incurring. If the coach is going to be held accountable IMO he should have a right to call those shots. Football Coaches that drew the short straw and were assigned Baseball ~ That's a whole nother thread. All I can say is "Bless your hearts"