So I guess their motto:
"Every game counts" is kind of out the window. LSU-Bama must have been a scrimmage the first time
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"Every game counts.......that make us a ton of money"
Yes I'm talking about the BCS and not the NCAA since the NCAA gets no money from the bowl system. The whole system is a joke. I believe you can honestly make very solid and good arguments for Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma State and Arkansas to play for a national championship but they don't.
I would much rather argue over who should be the number eight or nine seed or the sixteenth or seventeenth seed in a playoff than wondering if another team could have won a championship but were left out over very arbitrary factors. Only 59 coaches make up the coaches poll and if I'm not mistaken the SEC has the most coaches who vote than any other conference. That has to sway many votes to favor their own conference. Think of it this way - Les Miles votes for Arkansas to be ranked very highly because when LSU beats them it makes them look better. This is what goes into determining the "two best teams".
It's just an absolute joke.
Yes I'm talking about the BCS and not the NCAA since the NCAA gets no money from the bowl system. The whole system is a joke. I believe you can honestly make very solid and good arguments for Alabama, LSU, Oklahoma State and Arkansas to play for a national championship but they don't.
I would much rather argue over who should be the number eight or nine seed or the sixteenth or seventeenth seed in a playoff than wondering if another team could have won a championship but were left out over very arbitrary factors. Only 59 coaches make up the coaches poll and if I'm not mistaken the SEC has the most coaches who vote than any other conference. That has to sway many votes to favor their own conference. Think of it this way - Les Miles votes for Arkansas to be ranked very highly because when LSU beats them it makes them look better. This is what goes into determining the "two best teams".
It's just an absolute joke.
I've watched LSU play several times now. Also seen Oklahoma St sveral times. I believe Oklahoma St would beat them. It's a shame we can't see that matchup.
ESPN this morning was saying that it was the two human polls that acutally had Bama voted #2 and Ok st voted #3 and that weighed more than just the computer who had Ok st at #2 and Bama #3, so with such a close vote this time, the humans had it wrong and computers had it right i guess, Big 12 was calculated to have the toughest conference in the country. I personally am not excited about watching a rematch, i will be more excited about watching the stanford vs ok st or oregon vs wisconsin game than maybe a 13-7 game with bama and lsu. REALLY looking forward to UVA vs Auburn, LOL..
Playoffs? 
I hate the whole BCS thing.
That said, all of the top ten teams are loaded with guys who can fly. These last few weeks, I've been amazed at the separation some players have on long breakaway runs. Dudes who run 4.4s and 4.3s are too slow to catch them!
I hate the whole BCS thing.That said, all of the top ten teams are loaded with guys who can fly. These last few weeks, I've been amazed at the separation some players have on long breakaway runs. Dudes who run 4.4s and 4.3s are too slow to catch them!
quote:Originally posted by trojan-skipper:
So I guess their motto:
"Every game counts" is kind of out the window. LSU-Bama must have been a scrimmage the first time
It should be Oklahoma State, who showed that they deserve it in convincing fashion. Alabama had their shot.
Also, I'd have liked to see Stanford-Alabama....
Come on, guys. I'm all for the "plus one" or some form of playoff. But this is one year where you cannot argue the two teams playing in the championship game.
LSU and Bama are #1 and #2 in every poll.
Alabama beat three top 25 teams soundly, including #6 Arkansas. Their only loss was to clear #1 LSU and they missed 4 FGs in a 3 point game.
Stanford lost by 23 to the only legit top 10 team they played.
Ok State lost to a .500 team that finished 3-6 in their league. The best team they beat was K-state and they had to score with two minutes left to take the lead.
And, sorry Coach, you can’t argue seriously for Arkansas – two losses, both handily, to LSU and Bama.
From an offensive excitement standpoint, yes, I'd rather see Ok State but...
I have no dog in this fight at all, but based on this year's games played on the field, the best two teams are in it, period.
LSU and Bama are #1 and #2 in every poll.
Alabama beat three top 25 teams soundly, including #6 Arkansas. Their only loss was to clear #1 LSU and they missed 4 FGs in a 3 point game.
Stanford lost by 23 to the only legit top 10 team they played.
Ok State lost to a .500 team that finished 3-6 in their league. The best team they beat was K-state and they had to score with two minutes left to take the lead.
And, sorry Coach, you can’t argue seriously for Arkansas – two losses, both handily, to LSU and Bama.
From an offensive excitement standpoint, yes, I'd rather see Ok State but...
I have no dog in this fight at all, but based on this year's games played on the field, the best two teams are in it, period.
quote:I have no dog in this fight at all, but based on this year's games played on the field, the best two teams are in it, period.
If you can't win our own conference, you have no right to play in a "national championship" game. Not when polls make those decisions.
This game was overhyped the first time these two teams played. Now we have to listen to over a month of overhyping it again...
Bulldog,
I can't agree with that. What if these two teams were the best in the country by a landslide and it was a given that any other matchup would be a blowout. I don't think you would hold your position then.
I'm pretty sure this is part of why they have the wildcard in baseball. If the best two teams happen to be in the same division, they can still both make the playoffs. In fact, by your logic, the Cards would not be World Series champs today.
I do agree that the best two games to watch are going to be the Stanford/Ok State and Wisconsin/Oregon matchups and that the LSU/Bama game will be like a superbowl - overhyped. I just don't see how you could put any other teams in it.
I can't agree with that. What if these two teams were the best in the country by a landslide and it was a given that any other matchup would be a blowout. I don't think you would hold your position then.
I'm pretty sure this is part of why they have the wildcard in baseball. If the best two teams happen to be in the same division, they can still both make the playoffs. In fact, by your logic, the Cards would not be World Series champs today.
I do agree that the best two games to watch are going to be the Stanford/Ok State and Wisconsin/Oregon matchups and that the LSU/Bama game will be like a superbowl - overhyped. I just don't see how you could put any other teams in it.
One only needs to look at the voting in the polls from the SEC folks to see how this travesty occurred.
Make it a 4-team playoff and I have no problem with Bama in it. But the way it is now...no way. Should LSU win again and OK State beat Stanford...we will never know.
As a big fan of college football...and I mean really big fan...this rematch is boring stuff to me. Not interested...at all.
Make it a 4-team playoff and I have no problem with Bama in it. But the way it is now...no way. Should LSU win again and OK State beat Stanford...we will never know.
As a big fan of college football...and I mean really big fan...this rematch is boring stuff to me. Not interested...at all.
I agree with Bulldog. If you can't win your division much less your conference you shouldn't be allowed to play for the championship. OSU deserved the shot. bama had their chance and didn't succeed.
Interesting about the SEC having the most votes. Makes sense.
They do need a playoff. Either 4 or 8 teams. Make them earn it. Heck all high schools do and they play way more than 2 or 3 playoff games.
Interesting about the SEC having the most votes. Makes sense.
They do need a playoff. Either 4 or 8 teams. Make them earn it. Heck all high schools do and they play way more than 2 or 3 playoff games.
quote:In fact, by your logic, the Cards would not be World Series champs today.
Argument is null and void. The Cardinals won the World Series ON THE FIELD. Alabama is in the "national championship" based on votes.
NOT THE SAME.
I wouldn't say my argument was completely null and void but I'll play along..
OK, on the field, Bama played five ranked teams. They beat four handily. They lost only to #1 LSU in OT. They dominated every other team on their schedule. Ok State barely got by K-state who was the best team they played. Ok State lost to Iowa State who finished 3-6 in their league. They barely got by T A&M (6-6/ 4-5) by one point. Please tell me how, on the field, Ok State or anyone else earned the right to go in place of Bama. And don’t just say they had their chance. Ok State had their chance and lost to ISU (unfortunately)!
I assume Ok State is the team you would argue for? Fun topic to argue. I’ll bow out with that.
OK, on the field, Bama played five ranked teams. They beat four handily. They lost only to #1 LSU in OT. They dominated every other team on their schedule. Ok State barely got by K-state who was the best team they played. Ok State lost to Iowa State who finished 3-6 in their league. They barely got by T A&M (6-6/ 4-5) by one point. Please tell me how, on the field, Ok State or anyone else earned the right to go in place of Bama. And don’t just say they had their chance. Ok State had their chance and lost to ISU (unfortunately)!
I assume Ok State is the team you would argue for? Fun topic to argue. I’ll bow out with that.
The system is very flawed. The computer calculations will only be as strong as the formula. No one (coaches, writers) is watching most of the teams they are ranking. I've heard coaches often tell their secretaries to do their poll. For those who don't think a team that doesn't win it's division should be able to win the championship, what about all the other NCAA and pro sports? Many non winners get a shot. Sometimes they win it all.
I would prefer to see a LSU-OSU matchup. But I believe Alabama is the second best team based on the season. OSU had control of their situation and blew it. I just hope the game is not a snoozer like the last game.
College football is on the way to a playoff system. Within a few years somewhere between 48-64 teams will have settled into four conferences, each with two divisions. Eight teams are in.
The conference championship is the first round. Four conference winners move on to New Year's bowl games. Then two play the following week in a championship game.
All the teams not in these four conferences get screwed. But the screwing started when Divisions 1 and 1A were created.
One the other hand, despite having played a college sport and having two kids who play(ed) I'm at the point where I sometimes wonder is college sports out of control and when will television and money take it's toll on high school sports?
Do we need kids playing college sports who probably can't spell "university" (aimed at football and basketball)? Yes, I know it's about the money, not the academics. But the money was why the Penn State and other situations occur. It makes me appreciate a Harvard-Yale game where the players are student athletes.
I would prefer to see a LSU-OSU matchup. But I believe Alabama is the second best team based on the season. OSU had control of their situation and blew it. I just hope the game is not a snoozer like the last game.
College football is on the way to a playoff system. Within a few years somewhere between 48-64 teams will have settled into four conferences, each with two divisions. Eight teams are in.
The conference championship is the first round. Four conference winners move on to New Year's bowl games. Then two play the following week in a championship game.
All the teams not in these four conferences get screwed. But the screwing started when Divisions 1 and 1A were created.
One the other hand, despite having played a college sport and having two kids who play(ed) I'm at the point where I sometimes wonder is college sports out of control and when will television and money take it's toll on high school sports?
Do we need kids playing college sports who probably can't spell "university" (aimed at football and basketball)? Yes, I know it's about the money, not the academics. But the money was why the Penn State and other situations occur. It makes me appreciate a Harvard-Yale game where the players are student athletes.
quote:For those who don't think a team that doesn't win it's division should be able to win the championship, what about all the other NCAA and pro sports? Many non winners get a shot. Often they win it all.
That argument works fine with me so long as you have a playoff system of some type in place. In that case (even if only 4 teams), Bama can work their way to the title game.
But in the absence of a playoff system (which we have), non-conference winners should not be able to play in title game. That eliminates (this year) one of my favorite teams (Stanford)...but I am ok with that under this current one game system.
Additionally...too much monkey business in the polls in the current system. Interesting link below.
Problems with Harris Poll
quote:...former SEC commissioner Roy Kramer crammed all five SEC teams in the poll into his top 11.
quote:For those who don't think a team that doesn't win it's division should be able to win the championship, what about all the other NCAA and pro sports? Many non winners get a shot. Sometimes they win it all.
Every other system has a playoff system. They aren't just thrust into a national championship. Again, NOT THE SAME.
quote:Do we need kids playing college sports who probably can't spell "university" (aimed at football and basketball)?
Do we need kids in college who can't spell "university?" I'll bet there's a lot more NON-athletes than athletes who fall into that category.
The SEC was not really that strong this year. In the East Division, only two winning teams? 5 of 12 total? Georgia did not exactly dominate anybody other than Coastal Carolina. They lost to the three-best teams on their schedule. Alabama's toughest opponent was LSU and they couldn't kick a field goal.
It's heart-breaking that OSU lost in the fashion that it did. It lost to a team it shouldn't have lost to, but how often does that happen? More often than you think. Let's also remember that life happens and I think that's what got Oklahoma State that night. Remember 4 people from their OK-State family died tragically earlier that day.
quote:Let's also remember that life happens and I think that's what got Oklahoma State that night. Remember 4 people from their OK-State family died tragically earlier that day.
That's right...everyone seems to be forgetting that fact when they talk about who OSU lost to. It's really remarkable they played as well as they did that night.
This can't be part of the equation. Otherwise you will have every top program filing it's "situation" list for consideration. Getting into the game has to be on the merits of what occurs on the field. Otherwise some day we'll have schools not giving grades, games without scoreboards and everyone gets a trophy.quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:quote:Let's also remember that life happens and I think that's what got Oklahoma State that night. Remember 4 people from their OK-State family died tragically earlier that day.
That's right...everyone seems to be forgetting that fact when they talk about who OSU lost to. It's really remarkable they played as well as they did that night.
quote:Getting into the game has to be on the merits of what occurs on the field.
...as opposed to what, a popularity poll like we have today? If a popularity poll is what the game is based on, why not consider the circumstances of the same?
The ratings shouldn't be based on anything but an evaluation of what occurred on the field. While the BCS rating system is extremely flawed it's an evaluation of what occurred on the field. Your view opens up the argument an injury to a key player cost a team a shot at the BCS championship and should be taken under consideration. The "situations" are only limited by imagination.
Hopefully, MLB Network will be showing something really cool during this championship game.
quote:The ratings shouldn't be based on anything but an evaluation of what occurred on the field.
Just take a look at this week's votes and you can see that's simply not what happens. There's too much money at stake.
Don't laugh too hard at me, but the one team that I think would have a legitimate shot at beating LSU right now would be Southern Cal. LSU has lots of NFL talent flying around on defense, but USC has quite a bit of NFL talent on offense, most obviously at QB, WR and OL. They would put up points against LSU.
If, and its a big if, Barkley and Kalil come back next year, when SC is again bowl eligible, it could be the year the SEC national championship run ends.
And I am definitely not a USC honk.
If, and its a big if, Barkley and Kalil come back next year, when SC is again bowl eligible, it could be the year the SEC national championship run ends.
And I am definitely not a USC honk.
quote:While the BCS rating system is extremely flawed it's an evaluation of what occurred on the field.
WRONG. It's about money. It has little to do what happens on the field. If it did, then the rankings would be based on what happened THIS WEEK.
Oh, but that might help OSU since they thrashed their rivals...
I said the process is extremely flawed. But at least it's an attempt to judge what occurred on the field. Bringing in outside variables would require a panel to evaulate the situation. I'll bet every team with one loss would petition. It would be insane. The closeest thing to a real poll process would be to have a panel of full time paid professional pollsters who watch EVERY ranked and close to ranked team play every week before voting. Is college football that important?quote:Originally posted by Tx-Husker:quote:The ratings shouldn't be based on anything but an evaluation of what occurred on the field.
Just take a look at this week's votes and you can see that's simply not what happens. There's too much money at stake.
Didn't you hear? USC is under suspension for using professional players.quote:Originally posted by like2rake:
Don't laugh too hard at me, but the one team that I think would have a legitimate shot at beating LSU right now would be Southern Cal. LSU has lots of NFL talent flying around on defense, but USC has quite a bit of NFL talent on offense, most obviously at QB, WR and OL. They would put up points against LSU.
If, and its a big if, Barkley and Kalil come back next year, when SC is again bowl eligible, it could be the year the SEC national championship run ends.
And I am definitely not a USC honk.
quote:Originally posted by RJM:Didn't you hear? USC is under suspension for using professional players.quote:
Of course I know, many schools use "professional" players, SC just happened to get caught. I'm saying, if they were eligible this year, SC - the way their offense performed second half of the year, - could score on anyone, LSU and Bama included.
USC is bowl eligible for 2012 season.
It's always been based on what happened this week. The genuinely unfair aspect is preseason polls. A team ranked twentieth in the preseason polls may be the best team in the country. But they won't climb to the top two. A team ranked in the top five in preseason loses a game and falls to 10th after one week while they're actually on the way to a 7-4 season.quote:Originally posted by Bulldog 19:quote:While the BCS rating system is extremely flawed it's an evaluation of what occurred on the field.
WRONG. It's about money. It has little to do what happens on the field. If it did, then the rankings would be based on what happened THIS WEEK.
Oh, but that might help OSU since they thrashed their rivals...
No one ever said it's not all about money. It's about protecting the bowl games, the money connected to the bowl games and the money the conferences connected to these conferences receive. If Conference USA was all about money they would have had Southern Miss tank so Houston would bring home some BCS multi millions.
All the BCS championship game did was remove one complainer (the #2) team from the argument. But as I descroibed a few posts back, as soon as there are four mega conferences there will be an four game playoff of the top 48-64 teams preceeded by conference championship games making it really an eight team playoff.
Then fans can scream it's unfair the winner of the other division of their conference isn't as good as their second place team (ex: Georgia, Alabama). There is never going to be a large field football tournament. The complaining will never end.
What bothers me about my scenario is a major conference will disappear. Many traditions and rivalries will disappear. Imagine no ACC basketball because the teams merged into other conferences due to football.
I'm not at all a fan of the BCS system, but one thing has been clear since it was instituted: the only way for a team to guarantee a slot in the national championship game is to go undefeated while winning an AQ conference. As soon as you commit either of two sins (i.e., not belonging to an AQ conference or losing a game), your fate will be decided by the beauty contest judges. And if you commit both of those sins, you're not even in the beauty contest.
There is not and never will be a satisfactory way to compare one-loss teams that didn't play each other and have few or no common opponents.
Therefore, the advocates for the teams competing in the beauty contest always have to put forward deceptive self-serving arguments to show how their one-loss record is better than everyone else's one-loss record.
This year is no different.
For example, OSU fans make a huge deal about their record against bowl eligible teams. Really? I'd have thought they'd have wanted to keep quiet about beating Texas A&M by only one point. And do those big wins over 7-5 teams like Mizzou explain why they gave up three times as many points as Bama?
Similarly, Alabama fans make a huge deal about their tough SEC schedule. Nice concept, but it doesn't apply to Alabama this year. Yes, their win over Arkansas was at least at impressive as OSU's win over OU, but they still played only one winning team between October 1st and Thanksgiving, and they lost that game at home. After Arkansas and Penn State, their next most impressive win might have been Vanderbilt.
Which brings me back to my original point.
Once you're in the beauty contest, you can't complain about justice because beauty contests aren't about justice. They're about looks. Don't like the result? Tell your university president to hold out for a playoff or else join an AQ conference and win all your games.
There is not and never will be a satisfactory way to compare one-loss teams that didn't play each other and have few or no common opponents.
Therefore, the advocates for the teams competing in the beauty contest always have to put forward deceptive self-serving arguments to show how their one-loss record is better than everyone else's one-loss record.
This year is no different.
For example, OSU fans make a huge deal about their record against bowl eligible teams. Really? I'd have thought they'd have wanted to keep quiet about beating Texas A&M by only one point. And do those big wins over 7-5 teams like Mizzou explain why they gave up three times as many points as Bama?
Similarly, Alabama fans make a huge deal about their tough SEC schedule. Nice concept, but it doesn't apply to Alabama this year. Yes, their win over Arkansas was at least at impressive as OSU's win over OU, but they still played only one winning team between October 1st and Thanksgiving, and they lost that game at home. After Arkansas and Penn State, their next most impressive win might have been Vanderbilt.
Which brings me back to my original point.
Once you're in the beauty contest, you can't complain about justice because beauty contests aren't about justice. They're about looks. Don't like the result? Tell your university president to hold out for a playoff or else join an AQ conference and win all your games.
Random thoughts about this years' bowl games
1. 35 games?
2. Famous Idaho Potato Bowl?
3. 11-1 Boise State vs. 6-6 Arizona State?
4. Military Bowl, Air Force vs. Toledo. Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines...Toledo?
5. Armed Forces Bowl...BYU vs. Tulsa?
6. Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl?
7. UCLA gets a bowl with a 6-7 record?
8. Ticket City Bowl?
9. West Virginia in a BCS bowl?
10. BBVA Compass Bowl?
11. GoDaddy.com Bowl?
12. Northern Illinois vs. Arkansas State on January 8?
13. Stare at the word bowl. Does that really look weird?
Too many games, too many stupid sponsors, too many teams that really don't deserve bowls. At least they've got the Big 10 vs. the Pac 10 in the Rose Bowl. Kinda seems like old times...well, except that it's Wisconsin!
1. 35 games?
2. Famous Idaho Potato Bowl?
3. 11-1 Boise State vs. 6-6 Arizona State?
4. Military Bowl, Air Force vs. Toledo. Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines...Toledo?
5. Armed Forces Bowl...BYU vs. Tulsa?
6. Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl?
7. UCLA gets a bowl with a 6-7 record?
8. Ticket City Bowl?
9. West Virginia in a BCS bowl?
10. BBVA Compass Bowl?
11. GoDaddy.com Bowl?
12. Northern Illinois vs. Arkansas State on January 8?
13. Stare at the word bowl. Does that really look weird?
Too many games, too many stupid sponsors, too many teams that really don't deserve bowls. At least they've got the Big 10 vs. the Pac 10 in the Rose Bowl. Kinda seems like old times...well, except that it's Wisconsin!
Then there's the Charmin Toilet Bowl: Indiana (0-9, 1-11) versus Akron (0-8, 1-11). Please no complaints from supporters of 1-11 Florida Atlantic and New Mexico. FAU lost to weaker opponents. New Mexico won a conference game. OK, OK! We need a playoff. Florida Atlantic and New Mexico can play in the RID-X Septic Bowl.
quote:Originally posted by biggerpapi:
Random thoughts about this years' bowl games
1. 35 games?
Yeah, and I think out of the first 21, only maybe one had any intrigue...
quote:
11. GoDaddy.com Bowl?
Sorta like the Superbowl... won't be much of a game but I might watch for the commercials.
Being a Big Ten fan, this really hurts... But how does anyone make a good case for another conference being #1 these days?
2006 - National Champions - Florida (SEC)
2007 - National Champions - LSU (SEC)
2008 - National Champions - Florida (SEC)
2009 - National Champions - Alabama (SEC)
2010 - National Champions - Auburn (SEC)
2011 - National Champions - LSU or Alabama (SEC)
That sure looks pretty dominant to me!
2006 - National Champions - Florida (SEC)
2007 - National Champions - LSU (SEC)
2008 - National Champions - Florida (SEC)
2009 - National Champions - Alabama (SEC)
2010 - National Champions - Auburn (SEC)
2011 - National Champions - LSU or Alabama (SEC)
That sure looks pretty dominant to me!
And in a few years, they can take all of those players and make "The Longest Yard 3"
Ok to be bowl "eligible" (just using that word makes me giggle a little given how many bowls there are - I think my high school will get a bowl bid this week sometime) you have to have six wins. Is it mathmatically possible for not enough teams to becom bowl "eligible" by not winning enough games?
I would love for two or three of these bowls to not be able to play because not enough teams won six games.
I would love for two or three of these bowls to not be able to play because not enough teams won six games.
argueing that Ala. should get a second shot because some or most FEEL that they are one of the two best teams in the country despite that they did not win their division, is like saying Tampa should get into the playoffs because they play with New York and Boston. Thats just too bad. Win your division and proceeed to the conference championship. I feel bad for Boise St. They own victories over Georgia(SEC Championship Game) and West Virginia. Both those schools are going to BCS bowls while Boise is going to the Maaco bowl.Whats right about that. One more point Wonder what the human polls would say if Saben and SEC didnt stuff ballots?
oldmanmoses - Just to be 100% accurate, Boise did not play WVU this year. They did beat Va. Tech last year. In any case, I believe they should be in a BCS bowl game ahead of Va. Tech and maybe Michigan too. But even ahead of Boise should be TCU who won the Mountain West Conference.
PGStaff - I would never argue that the SEC is anything other than the best college football conference. No doubt about it in my mind. But Alabama already lost, on their home field, to LSU. Its boring to me as a fan of college football to watch a rematch of that game for the title. Even if Alabama wins, its clouded by not knowing whether or not OK State might have won too. Thats the game I wanted to see.
If Stanford beats OK State (and I hope they do), then my argument is moot. ('Cept maybe Stanford shoulda been in the title game? 
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PGStaff - I would never argue that the SEC is anything other than the best college football conference. No doubt about it in my mind. But Alabama already lost, on their home field, to LSU. Its boring to me as a fan of college football to watch a rematch of that game for the title. Even if Alabama wins, its clouded by not knowing whether or not OK State might have won too. Thats the game I wanted to see.
If Stanford beats OK State (and I hope they do), then my argument is moot.
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The NCAA and BCS will never change unless people turn off their TV sets and simply ignore the so called 'championship game'.
quote:Originally posted by PGStaff:
Being a Big Ten fan, this really hurts... But how does anyone make a good case for another conference being #1 these days?
2006 - National Champions - Florida (SEC)
2007 - National Champions - LSU (SEC)
2008 - National Champions - Florida (SEC)
2009 - National Champions - Alabama (SEC)
2010 - National Champions - Auburn (SEC)
2011 - National Champions - LSU or Alabama (SEC)
That sure looks pretty dominant to me!
Thank you PG. Couldn't have said it better myself.
I would like to say however that as a fan of the SEC that I would have rather seen an SEC team play another worthy team from another conference who WON their Conference title.
I can see it now. Alabama wins and we're stuck with that Co-Champion malarkey. It's like kissing your sister. Yuck.