Bobbleheaddoll Thrower

TPM no I was looking at the guys I know who are not physically advanced throwing low to mid 80s. I am speaking about kids I know of personally.

Good Evening Fellas and Ladies,

Apologize to all for my part in that mess in other thread.

Back to learning here. I mentioned something in this thread several weeks ago about upperhalve getting running start in order to generate hand-speed in forward arm action/TQ slot in delivery. Never got a response from that comment and really would like others input on that. Could be very good sidebar conversation on this very good LHP on this topic of Bobbleheaddoll thrower. Will be back after 7:00 game. peace everybody...

Shep

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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
TPM no I was looking at the guys I know who are not physically advanced throwing low to mid 80s. I am speaking about kids I know of personally.

Got it!

"Based on what you are saying, if son is throwing at 93, he should be 98 in another two years? I tend to doubt "

Well just think about it. if a guy is throwing 85mph when he ends hs and goes to college. IF they teach to get the most out of his body and work on his flaws, he could throw 90mph.

If a guy is throwing 93mph, then it's obvious thats he got the most got out of his body and arm. Unless he has some flaws

Shep not too sure what you mean by running start. You have to come to a set position which means you are at a still position before you start your motion.
Please explain.

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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
Shep not too sure what you mean by running start. You have to come to a set position which means you are at a still position before you start your motion.
Please explain.

The way I understand it is that you want to be moving forward the entire time while throwing. I think the "set/balance postition" (lead leg up)is not reality (or not the optimal way to throw). You do not want to be "stalling out" over the rubber during your delivery. This is a momentume killer, and obviously a velocity killer.

You have to come set or you balk. You have to have a clear and distict set position .
You have to set,rock back and then come forward. No options there.

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Originally posted by BobbleheadDoll:
You have to come set or you balk. You have to have a clear and distict set position .
You have to set,rock back and then come forward. No options there.

Right. I was thinking from throwing from a full windup. What I'm trying to say is once the throw "process" starts, you do not want any pauses in your delivery.

You're right Rob.

The throw starts from hand break. You want no hesitation or pause or slowing down from a point even earlier than handbreak.

The throw starts from set.

Then you better be set at handbreak.

I would like to know how that is accomplished ? You are at set and everything is motionless or you balk. Some pitchers rock back breaking set and raise their hands high over their head before bringing them down to break. Some pitchers rock back farther than others maybe that is what you are talking about.
Set ,rock break and load before coming forward. I actually like a little hesitation at full load before coming forward.

It's not. That's why the throw starting from set is not right.

Maybe it starts at hut.

Ever hear of a windup?

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I actually like a little hesitation at full load before coming forward.

A velocity killer.

BTW, there is no such thing as "at full load".

Windup ? Hmmm Is that what you are doing ?

Good Evening fellas/ladies

I was asked to define upperhalve getting running start.

The best way I can describe what I mean by "running start" assuming all other aspects of mechanics are sound in upperhalve: the throwing arm, after hands break away from glove, never has any hesitation when pronating shoulder capsule away from body. The motion is one continuous motion that never pauses but actually generates a sort of rhythm in arm-action going back and coming forward. Almost like a carousel waving motion of a third base coach waving a runner home frantically, but of course not stiff-armed but has angles at stages of windup in relation to pitcher's arm action, but more of a continuous motion with no hesitation, at any point in delivery.

Example: A seasoned pitcher I spoke with today at length who also coaches and scouts at advanced levels who requested to remain anonymous, said this, and I quote: "A kid in our minor league system had tendency to take ball directly out of glove rotating back at top taking ball away from body and pausing at top before coming forward. He only threw 88MPH. We just had him focus on creating a break with his hands removing ball from glove and maintaining continuous motion in circular counter-clockwise fashion with (hand/thumb) to the side/pronate in the ride/and turn ball to center field on backside. All this without allowing any type of pause." He then continued by saying, "this kid now cruises around 93MPH and touches 94-95 occasionally since creating the non-stop whiplike motion in his arms."-anonymous

This is one very obvious example of how arm-action in delivery can effect amount of arm-speed created and "getting running start in upperhalve" can increase velocity.

Hope this clears things up on definition thereof. It's hard describing pitching terminology. Believe 100% with instructional pitching coach comments on this topic today and grateful he was willing to share with us. peace,Shep

This guy seems to have a running start. His hands arn't at a pause

At the risk of agreeing with another poster, your right Smokky1, Bobblehead's clip here does show nice arm action with no pause and upperhalve does create running start even though motion is not full-speed. peace,Shep

Thanks Shep for the explanation.
Yes he does throw with continuoas motion but I have npticed that if he throws his curve balls like that the break is not as sharp.