Bonds Indicted

Court TV is ready for sweeps week, OJ and Barry Bonds on trial in the not to distant future. Can the American Judicial System survive. At least Greg Anderson can see the light at the end of the tunnel. I wonder if he and Barry will pass each other in the hall as he is being released and Barry is going in. What would they say to each other?

WOW !!!

A very, very sad day for the game of baseball. Too many years of looking the other way. The stain is there and will only fade with time, hopefully.

Very sad! Why did they wait so long? Sounds very suspicious....

Cart way before the horse but:
Could November 15, 2007, be the answer to a trivia question?

What is the date that Hank Aaron became the current alltime Homerun champ?

There was a mention on ESPN that the evidence included positive test results from Bonds and other players.
Was Major League baseball holding out on giving up test results? The plot thickens.

Maybe our lwyers here could explain.

JMO, if they indicted him years ago, he would have had to stop playing, if he was found not guilty, lots of people would have been unhappy.

Maybe it was safer to wait until the whole thing was over (breaking the record), no team to play on at this moment, being in limbo was safer to go after him.

Not sure why they said he tested positive for anabolic steroids, that requires a blood test and the PU agreement says no blood testing.

Regardless, he will never really "own" the record with this over his head.

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Not sure why they said he tested positive for anabolic steroids, that requires a blood test and the PU agreement says no blood testing.

The testing was being done at Balco from what I have read. This suggests they believe they have tests done at the request Greg Anderson that show Bonds tested positive for either steroids, HGH or both. The indictment includes HGH issues.
I would highly doubt the US Attorney would play baseball politics with this issue. Without Anderson, they had to prove the facts in other ways and I would guess finding other avenues to obtain facts and evidence they hoped to get from Greg Anderson is likely what contributed to the delays.
Agree with justbaseball, this is a sad day for baseball, with likely many, many more to come before this is finished.

a copy of the indictment is on espn web site

Based upon what seems to be Central Standard California Court time, based upon the OJ trial taking eons longer than it would have in my neighborhood, it looks like this is a possible time line:

-4 years to indict
-4 years of pretrial
-1 year of trial
-1 year of post-trial motions
-4 years of appeal
-1 year for the re-trial
-1 year for post -trial motions
-4 more years of appeal

Barry will start getting social security checks just before heading off to the Big House.

I'm sure the California lawyers on here, and I know who you are , will set me straight...but the OJ trial took forever!

Court TV stock must be going through the roof.

I disagree that its a sad day in baseball... Its a great day because now it should force changes with in the system

I don't think it is a sad day for baseball. The sad day was when everyone realized steroids was a big problem in MLB. It's not like peaple are shocked that evidence is surfacing, PROOF that Bonds took roids. This to me is a step forward in getting this behind us. If there is actual proof of steroid use, than MLB, HOF can make an informed decision how to deal with it and be done.

ESPN will be hopping tonight!!

Hokie, this one is in Federal Court, not the State Court where OJ visited.
Federal Court sets the schedule at the outset and Federal Court Judges do not take very kindly to the things we observed in the OJ trial. Federal Court judges have command and control over their courtrooms and those who appear in their courtrooms.

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Originally posted by Tiger Paw Mom:

Not sure why they said he tested positive for anabolic steroids, that requires a blood test and the PU agreement says no blood testing.

Steroids will show up on a urine test. HGH shows up on a blood test only.

They may be using the Balco bloodwork against him, where the Balco people were monitoring his drug levels and testosterone levels. And they may be using his Balco urine tests, because "designer steroids" won't show up on a urine test unless the tester knows the chemical makeup of that drug, and looks specifically for it. That's why Balco used a steroid that had never been introduced to the market, and had been tweaked chemically..because you can't test for a steroid that you don't know exists.

The GJ testimony of Bonds' that was released showed that he dodged questions, and basically thumbed his nose at not only the Grand Jury, but all of baseball. Maybe Anderson got tired of sitting in jail, and rolled over on him..maybe more information has been uncovered.

I do believe that if Barroid finds himself going down, then he's going to blow the lid on other players that have been doing the same thing, and getting away with it.

I wonder if the Giants knew this was coming..that would help explain why they decided at the end of the season not to offer Barroid a new contract. He seemed taken by surprise that he didn't find out until the season was almost over that they weren't going to bring him back, and was hurt that they didn't do a "farewell tour" deal for him. The plot thickens.

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Originally posted by infielddad:
Hokie, this one is in Federal Court, not the State Court where OJ visited.
Federal Court sets the schedule at the outset and Federal Court Judges do not take very kindly to the things we observed in the OJ trial. Federal Court judges have command and control over their courtrooms and those who appear in their courtrooms.

I've heard the timelines are relatively short in Federal court. See Mike Vick.

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The plot thickens.

Oh boy, does it ever!

Anderson released.

Huh?

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Originally posted by TripleDad:
Huh?

Greg Anderson just released from jail.

2seamer, thanks I meant HGH.

This topic is a little too hot. It would be best to give it it's own title page on HSBW.

Some of the questions would be how much MLB knew about the Grand Jury proceedings that they tried to keep an arms distance and why would the US Attorneys hold so long to do the indictment, other than they knew as long as Bonds was an active player with the Giants, they could not get a jury to try the case toward their favor.

Here, could someone please pass this over to Barry?

Said this before, and I will say it again. The list of non-users will be shorter than the users, and will also include pitchers, so........

If a hitter was enhanced, and a pitcher was enhanced, then what do you make of that and their 2nd round at puberty.

Thats what a few doctors have used to describe the roid effect. Another boosts of "hormones" which provide growth and healing powers.

Just wait for the mushrooms to grow from the ears and the typical 3rd kidney

This is a Federal Grand Jury Indictment.
The PU doesn't have anything to say about it.
It's out of MLB, PU, and anything to do with baseball hand's.

He Lied to a Grand Jury.

EH

how can you get in this much trouble just for using flax seed oil and a balm

Sure, let him get the record and THEN send him to jail...bummer

I think is a good day for baseball because we can a big step to cleaning it up. Baseball has survived other scandals in the past and it will survive this. That's why it's America's game.

I was watching ESPN on this and they said the reason it took so long is they wanted to make sure they had their ducks in a row. If they lost this case it would look really bad on their part if he skated on this.

Don't be surprised if Bonds rolls on other players. He will be looking out for number one and number one only.

Also, don't be surprised at who and how many names are brought out.

Where are all the Bonds sycophants tonight?

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Originally posted by Holden Caulfield:
sycophants

God Bless You

It will be very interesting to see if this opens the doors to prosecutions for illegal use of drugs or clubs dumping/not signing players who have tested positive.

I think I'll e-mail MLB teams with my opinions as a fan; let them know that Arms and Hammers are not more important than the integrity of the game.

Glad to see it's in Federal Court, and kind of embarrassed I didn't notice that. It's pretty well known the feds don't normally drop the hammer until they have a very strong, well-built case. Barry's lawyers know this. Not a happy time at the Bonds mansion.

"Barrrrrreeeee, I think you have some 'splaining to do" (with apologies to Ricky Ricardo and Lucy).


P.S. Can anyone verify the rumors that Barry wants to room with Michael Vick? (badda-bing!)

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Glad to see it's in Federal Court

just a guess from someone on the outside lookin in

1) Fed court means prosecutors have deeper pockets (mine & yours)

2) prosecutors see this "spotlight case" as a career maker

3) prosecutors have so much power they are careless

4) alot of prosecutors should themselves be prosecuted (ie: nifong, johnny sutton)

5) Bonds also has deep pockets

6) influential people with MLBs muliti billion $$ intrests will be at work behind the scenes (re black sox trial)

7) Bonds legal team will chew those guys up

No matter what he is still prob. the best baseball player of all-time.

OK, so does this mean the Yankees won't sign him as DH?


Alas, Zeus, we'll never really know that. Can you tell what kind of cake it is with all that frosting?

Well, thank goodness we can rest assured that OUR Home team Hero Albert Belle never pulled any of this sick bird cr*p!

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by IB: Well, thank goodness we can rest assured that OUR Home team Hero Albert Belle never pulled any of this sick bird cr*p!

hmm, now you got me thinking, what are symtoms of roid rage??

destroying lockers?

destroying a dugout?

beaning a reporter he didn't like?

chasing trick-or-treaters away from his door, then trying to run over them in his suv?

Call me cynical but kind of hoping AROD's name is in that soon to be released Mitchell report

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Originally posted by NYdad:
Call me cynical but kind of hoping AROD's name is in that soon to be released Mitchell report

I hope not, not because I am a big ARod fan but because I hope that some of baseballs current heroes did it the old fashioned way - with dedication and hard work so they can be an example to the younger generation of players that you don't have to know a great chemist to be a great player!

A month ago, the FBI had that huge HGH bust and collected tons of evidence dating back years (hence the Byrd outing, amongst a few others). Now the federal government has records showing where HGH was delivered. (Might explain the timing) They may well have found evidence that Bonds recieved HGH, and he did testify he didn't (a perjury count). Between that bust and the (IMHO) likelihood that Bonds will roll on everybody possible, I don't think there's a player in baseball right now who is sacred.

Including any of my Birds. Hey, I still suspect a bit of the old age fudging with our Albert.

Bonds' okoli is in a sling because of his apparent perjury, though...not because of taking PEDs. The outing of enhanced players could just be a righteous by-product.

Then will come the question as to what MLB & the PU will do about it.

This will get ugly, and long, but I believe this is ultimately going to be good for our game in the same sense that the Black Sox scandal made baseball wake up to the influence of gambling and the extremely low salaries paid to ballplayers who were then suseptible to the gamblers they were making rich.