I read on mlb.com that barry bonds and many other players are being tested for steroids so maybe well see if hes really on them or not.
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Sheffield admitted to "unknowingly" using steroids in 2002. BTW, 2002 was not a great year for him.
Sheffield pretty much indicted Bonds as well...
I think now would be a good time to ban him from baseball! Take the record away from him and Mark McGuire!
I love it. "Unknowingly" using steroids. Any knowledgable steroid user knows there's and extensive Post Cycle Therapy schedule that needs to be followed in order to not COMPLETELY screw over your liver. If you "unknowingly" do steroids, your body will not function. Period. That's a load of bull.
Well said NJPitcher06, give it back Roger Maris and continue to praise Hank Aaron.
As you get older you fill out, but when your in your mid 30s you dont add 30 lbs of muscle, break out in acne, and get a huge forehead and a swollen face. Im talking about sosa, bonds, giambi, and mcgwire.
As for Sheffield he only used it on his legs and it was a cream so its possible he had no idea.
Mr Seattle - down south we do - It is from waffle house I think!!!!!
Barry Bonds is the greatest hitter of all time.....Did he take steroids?.....I don't know.....Do I care?.....No.........Doesn't change anything if he did or he didn't........He will go down as the greatest hitter ever.....And, he is!
If Bonds became the greatet hitter of all time using steroids can you imagine what Micky Mantle would have become if he used steroids.
At this point it doesn't matter, he is obviously not on anything now, if he was, he's not very smart, and we will never know if he was before unless he admitts it, or MLB makes public the list from last year of who tested positive. hell I'm not even sure if MLB knows who tested positive.
I don't believe most people understand the lure of taking steroids, especially in older players........Why would they consider doing it?
Because steroids help the body to recover quicker in the short term...Muscles don't ache as badly or as long.....An older player can play with a younger body until the long term effects of taking steroids catch up with them...........Then, they're screwed.....
Because steroids help the body to recover quicker in the short term...Muscles don't ache as badly or as long.....An older player can play with a younger body until the long term effects of taking steroids catch up with them...........Then, they're screwed.....
BlueDog, that is not the reason for taking steroids, there are plenty of other legal products that do that just fine, especially during the baseball season. They take them for anabolic muscle building effects. As much mass as fast as possible. Supplements for recovery are widely used and very legal.
Sure there are legal recovery products: glutamine, tiger balm, protein to some extent.
But none of those come close to the recovery enhancing of steroids. It's a matter of degree.
But none of those come close to the recovery enhancing of steroids. It's a matter of degree.
Enough with the steroid discussions! Steriods have been around since the 1950's. They weren't against the law to use until 1989. Most of all college Div. I football teams were on them back in the early 80's (at least mine was). You will never know who is on them so stop trying. Only the stupid people who do not know how to mask the test are going to get caught. It is part of modern sports so live with it. Also, the people who comment are the "dangers" of steriods, are obviously medically challenged. There is drug "use" and then there is drug "abuse" with all medications. Before you comment on the dangers of any drug, know your stuff. You sound pretty silly.
Just one more thing. Why on earth would a pitcher want to use steriods; (hitters I understand). I used steriods back in the 1980's. I gained 15 lbs of muscle which increased my overall strength and speed (on the football field). However, and this is a big however, I or we always understood that this sudden increase in muscle strength made our connective tissue (tendons, ligaments) vulnerable to injury. Last time I checked, a torn pec or glut muscle has never kept a pitcher out before. It is always the small elbow ligament or miniture rotator cuff connective tissue. Pitchers Avoid Steriods! -End of Story!
Steroids are dangerous even taken in small amounts and should never be taken by any athlete......
Remember how your mom and dad used to warn you about who you hung out with after school? They always said the wrong kind of crowd would get you in trouble.
Sometimes you listened. Sometimes you didn’t.
Gary Sheffield never heard a word about it.
The New York Yankees outfielder and probable American League MVP told Sports Illustrated for its Oct. 11 issue that his friendship with Barry Bonds led to him unknowingly taking steroids himself. Bonds has long been suspected of taking steroids, and his revealed association with the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative — a group under investigation for steroid trafficking — hasn’t done much to quell the rumors.
Sheffield got hooked up with BALCO, he told the magazine, when he lived with Bonds before the 2002 season — the first of two years he spent with the Atlanta Braves. Sheffield was sporting a surgically-repaired knee, and he began using what he thought was a cortizone cream on the knee after Bonds’ trainers gave it to him.
The only problem was that it wasn’t a cortizone cream. It was “the cream” — a designer steroid.
Sheffield insists he didn’t know he was using a steroid, and was so ill-informed about what it was that he kept the stuff in his locker.
Whether or not Sheffield knew he was taking steroids isn’t the issue, and I’m reluctant to believe Sheffield. As a Braves fan, I was a loyal Sheffield follower in 2002 and 2003, but even I suspected he was using steroids. Even if Sheff was completely oblivious, when he started blowing up like a blimp, he had to suspect the same thing.
Even if Major League Baseball were to come down on Sheffield with the full brunt of the rulebook, not a lot would happen. Any potential steroids violation would be Sheffield’s first, which wouldn’t result in any sort of suspension.
That’s not the way it ought to be, of course. As soon as Bud Selig reads Sheffield’s interview in SI, he should immediately suspend Sheff for the postseason and open a full investigation into whether Bonds got steroids from the same place Sheffield did.
But that’s neither here nor there, I’m afraid. Baseball’s steroids policy is what it is, and as it stands today, it doesn’t allow Selig or anyone else to punish Sheffield.
Anyone, that is, except the fans. Knowingly or unknowingly, Sheffield broke the rules. He played on an unlevel playing field. He put himself above the game, and for that, fans should never forgive him.
Sheffield has discussed retiring after this season, and even if he does, his 415 career homers and .298 lifetime batting average almost surely make him a first-ballot Hall of Famer.
He’ll be joining a group of legends, not all of whom were nice guys, but none of whom were acknowledged biological cheaters. Sure, there are plenty of spitball pitchers and corked-bat hitters in Cooperstown. But with Sheffield, you’re talking about a guy who artificially altered his body’s chemistry with an illegal substance — not with a cork, not with a strip of sandpaper, but with an illegal drug.
Sheffield’s inclusion at the Hall of Fame would tarnish the game’s legends in a way that spitballs never would.
Maybe Sheffield’s induction is unavoidable, but it shouldn’t grant him immediate absolution. Sheffield and anyone else found to use steroids (most of all Bonds, considering his place among the game’s all-time greats) should be remembered for the cheaters they are.
And whether or not Sheffield knowingly or unknowingly used steroids, his accomplishments are now tainted — and rightly so. He cheated, and I hope no one forgets it anytime soon.
Bud Selig and Major League Baseball may not have the power or the fortitude to make steroids users pay, but fans do — and they should use it.
Sometimes you listened. Sometimes you didn’t.
Gary Sheffield never heard a word about it.
The New York Yankees outfielder and probable American League MVP told Sports Illustrated for its Oct. 11 issue that his friendship with Barry Bonds led to him unknowingly taking steroids himself. Bonds has long been suspected of taking steroids, and his revealed association with the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative — a group under investigation for steroid trafficking — hasn’t done much to quell the rumors.
Sheffield got hooked up with BALCO, he told the magazine, when he lived with Bonds before the 2002 season — the first of two years he spent with the Atlanta Braves. Sheffield was sporting a surgically-repaired knee, and he began using what he thought was a cortizone cream on the knee after Bonds’ trainers gave it to him.
The only problem was that it wasn’t a cortizone cream. It was “the cream” — a designer steroid.
Sheffield insists he didn’t know he was using a steroid, and was so ill-informed about what it was that he kept the stuff in his locker.
Whether or not Sheffield knew he was taking steroids isn’t the issue, and I’m reluctant to believe Sheffield. As a Braves fan, I was a loyal Sheffield follower in 2002 and 2003, but even I suspected he was using steroids. Even if Sheff was completely oblivious, when he started blowing up like a blimp, he had to suspect the same thing.
Even if Major League Baseball were to come down on Sheffield with the full brunt of the rulebook, not a lot would happen. Any potential steroids violation would be Sheffield’s first, which wouldn’t result in any sort of suspension.
That’s not the way it ought to be, of course. As soon as Bud Selig reads Sheffield’s interview in SI, he should immediately suspend Sheff for the postseason and open a full investigation into whether Bonds got steroids from the same place Sheffield did.
But that’s neither here nor there, I’m afraid. Baseball’s steroids policy is what it is, and as it stands today, it doesn’t allow Selig or anyone else to punish Sheffield.
Anyone, that is, except the fans. Knowingly or unknowingly, Sheffield broke the rules. He played on an unlevel playing field. He put himself above the game, and for that, fans should never forgive him.
Sheffield has discussed retiring after this season, and even if he does, his 415 career homers and .298 lifetime batting average almost surely make him a first-ballot Hall of Famer.
He’ll be joining a group of legends, not all of whom were nice guys, but none of whom were acknowledged biological cheaters. Sure, there are plenty of spitball pitchers and corked-bat hitters in Cooperstown. But with Sheffield, you’re talking about a guy who artificially altered his body’s chemistry with an illegal substance — not with a cork, not with a strip of sandpaper, but with an illegal drug.
Sheffield’s inclusion at the Hall of Fame would tarnish the game’s legends in a way that spitballs never would.
Maybe Sheffield’s induction is unavoidable, but it shouldn’t grant him immediate absolution. Sheffield and anyone else found to use steroids (most of all Bonds, considering his place among the game’s all-time greats) should be remembered for the cheaters they are.
And whether or not Sheffield knowingly or unknowingly used steroids, his accomplishments are now tainted — and rightly so. He cheated, and I hope no one forgets it anytime soon.
Bud Selig and Major League Baseball may not have the power or the fortitude to make steroids users pay, but fans do — and they should use it.
A few thoughts here
first -- limom talks about Lil Johnny and now Lil Johnny appears poster in a very similar manner as limom
I really should not be so cynical but I am--does anyone else see what I see
By the way lilJohhnny, Sheffield used a creme which had the ingredients listed on it according to the report I read-- it did not mention any steroids-- additionally it was not taken internally or by injection --it was used for skin healing just as you or I might do
POINT -- two years ago I had a lens implant in my left eye-- I developed an infection in the same location and was on steroids for 8 weeks-- I would not have passed any test for any sport
Did I know what I was taking ?---YES
DiD I worry ? Not at all as my doctor explained it all to me-- yes there are dangers with all medication and/or drugs but used in the proper manner there is minimal danger-- I had no other alternative than to use it or have the lens taken out and replaced and then not until the infection cleared up which meant no sight in that eye until after the clean up of infection and the new lens replacement
Lil Johnny and others--I think you should know what you talk about before bashing anyone, be it a player or a parent or a pro ball player
Just my thoughts
first -- limom talks about Lil Johnny and now Lil Johnny appears poster in a very similar manner as limom
I really should not be so cynical but I am--does anyone else see what I see
By the way lilJohhnny, Sheffield used a creme which had the ingredients listed on it according to the report I read-- it did not mention any steroids-- additionally it was not taken internally or by injection --it was used for skin healing just as you or I might do
POINT -- two years ago I had a lens implant in my left eye-- I developed an infection in the same location and was on steroids for 8 weeks-- I would not have passed any test for any sport
Did I know what I was taking ?---YES
DiD I worry ? Not at all as my doctor explained it all to me-- yes there are dangers with all medication and/or drugs but used in the proper manner there is minimal danger-- I had no other alternative than to use it or have the lens taken out and replaced and then not until the infection cleared up which meant no sight in that eye until after the clean up of infection and the new lens replacement
Lil Johnny and others--I think you should know what you talk about before bashing anyone, be it a player or a parent or a pro ball player
Just my thoughts
"Enough with the steroid discussions!"
Nah, not enough.......Something that can kill you should be talked about!
Nah, not enough.......Something that can kill you should be talked about!
mr trhit i am 16 old an debatting on taking steroids. if yhou think it good as im careful doing so cause i want to be like bonds. i will be very carefull.
INTERESTING
Read the grammar in the lengthy Lil Johnny post a few posts back and then read the one above- me thinks there a something strange here
And both are listed as POST # 3 from Georgia
Read the grammar in the lengthy Lil Johnny post a few posts back and then read the one above- me thinks there a something strange here
And both are listed as POST # 3 from Georgia
Some of the evidence:
“The Clear” : THG (tetrahydrogestrinon) : Synthetic anabolic steroid. The existence of the previously undetectable steroid was exposed by a track coach who identified Bay Area Laboratory Cooperative (BALCO) as the source of the steroid. Shefield admits using it while training with Bonds
“The Cream”: Testosterone based steroid: Shefield admits using it while training with Bonds
Human Growth Hormone: HGH: Widely available on the internet. The possession and sale of human growth hormone without a prescription is a crime, its personal use is not. Human growth hormone's legitimate medical uses include treatment of children diagnosed as pituitary dwarfs, although even these legal uses can have "dangerous side effects," according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Human growth hormone, which until recently was undetectable, is considered one of the most widely used banned substances in sports. Human growth hormone is not banned by baseball because there is no test for it, according to Rob Manfred, baseball's executive vice president for labor relations.
Jason Giambi has refused to disclose the location of the tumor; the Daily News cites one of its sources for the story as saying Giambi was afraid that doing so would make him appear guilty by association: Pituitary tumors have been associated anecdotally with the use of anabolic steroids and human growth hormones.
Tim Montgomery reportedly testified Nov. 6, 2003, that in 2001, BALCO founder Victor Conte gave him weekly doses of human growth hormone and a substance called "the clear" -- which Montgomery referred to as a "magic potion." Montgomery said he and Francis concluded that Conte's drug, described as a steroid that had been chemically altered so it would not show up on doping tests, "was made for bodybuilders, not for sprinters;" it was making him muscle-bound without improving his performance.
I know what I think, however, each person needs to make up their own mind.
Nick
“The Clear” : THG (tetrahydrogestrinon) : Synthetic anabolic steroid. The existence of the previously undetectable steroid was exposed by a track coach who identified Bay Area Laboratory Cooperative (BALCO) as the source of the steroid. Shefield admits using it while training with Bonds
“The Cream”: Testosterone based steroid: Shefield admits using it while training with Bonds
Human Growth Hormone: HGH: Widely available on the internet. The possession and sale of human growth hormone without a prescription is a crime, its personal use is not. Human growth hormone's legitimate medical uses include treatment of children diagnosed as pituitary dwarfs, although even these legal uses can have "dangerous side effects," according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration. Human growth hormone, which until recently was undetectable, is considered one of the most widely used banned substances in sports. Human growth hormone is not banned by baseball because there is no test for it, according to Rob Manfred, baseball's executive vice president for labor relations.
Jason Giambi has refused to disclose the location of the tumor; the Daily News cites one of its sources for the story as saying Giambi was afraid that doing so would make him appear guilty by association: Pituitary tumors have been associated anecdotally with the use of anabolic steroids and human growth hormones.
Tim Montgomery reportedly testified Nov. 6, 2003, that in 2001, BALCO founder Victor Conte gave him weekly doses of human growth hormone and a substance called "the clear" -- which Montgomery referred to as a "magic potion." Montgomery said he and Francis concluded that Conte's drug, described as a steroid that had been chemically altered so it would not show up on doping tests, "was made for bodybuilders, not for sprinters;" it was making him muscle-bound without improving his performance.
I know what I think, however, each person needs to make up their own mind.
Nick
NickKio
What evidence --????
Are you an investigator for the goverment?
Or do you read the same nonsense from the SF writers that I do0 who have been on Bonds case for years
Before you dive --make sure the water is deep enough or you can break your neck
What evidence --????
Are you an investigator for the goverment?
Or do you read the same nonsense from the SF writers that I do0 who have been on Bonds case for years
Before you dive --make sure the water is deep enough or you can break your neck
BlueDog - Your an MD right. Do you know how silly you sound. Wait a minute - "Just say no"; remember that one. There are no deaths directly attributed to anabolic steroid use... ever. There has been liver and kidney disfunction sited from prolonged use by some very sick patients (HIV cases). However, let me restate - there have been no deaths directly attributed to anabolic steriod use.
Savannah, you claim to have used steroids..Now, you're saying steroids don't kill people..And, you call me silly?..
"Lyle Alzado was 42 when he died of brain cancer. An American football SuperBowl hero with the Los Angeles Raiders in the 1984, Alzado owned a restaurant in West Hollywood and had embarked on a career as a movie actor when he died in 1992 after going public. "I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped," he admitted during his pain-racked final days. "It was addicting, mentally addicting. Now I'm sick, and I'm scared. Ninety per cent of the athletes I know are on the stuff. We're not born to be 300lbs or jump 30ft. But all the time I was taking steroids, I knew they were making me play better. I became very violent on the field and off it. I did things only crazy people do. Once a guy sideswiped my car and I beat the hell out of him. Now look at me. My hair's gone, I wobble when I walk and have to hold on to someone for support, and I have trouble remembering things. My last wish? That no one else ever dies this way."
Riverview Cemetery, Portland, Oregon, USA.
Cause of Death: Brain cancer brought on by excessive steroid use."
"Lyle Alzado was 42 when he died of brain cancer. An American football SuperBowl hero with the Los Angeles Raiders in the 1984, Alzado owned a restaurant in West Hollywood and had embarked on a career as a movie actor when he died in 1992 after going public. "I started taking anabolic steroids in 1969 and never stopped," he admitted during his pain-racked final days. "It was addicting, mentally addicting. Now I'm sick, and I'm scared. Ninety per cent of the athletes I know are on the stuff. We're not born to be 300lbs or jump 30ft. But all the time I was taking steroids, I knew they were making me play better. I became very violent on the field and off it. I did things only crazy people do. Once a guy sideswiped my car and I beat the hell out of him. Now look at me. My hair's gone, I wobble when I walk and have to hold on to someone for support, and I have trouble remembering things. My last wish? That no one else ever dies this way."
Riverview Cemetery, Portland, Oregon, USA.
Cause of Death: Brain cancer brought on by excessive steroid use."
"Steroid abuse is particularly risky for teenagers, because it forces the body rapidly to adulthood, bones stop growing - permanently - and they reach puberty early."
Silly Savannah?........
Silly Savannah?........
BlueDog,
As often as I disagree with you, I've got to say that you are one of the good guys on this one. We can all choose to believe or not believe that pro baseball players are using steroids, but no one should be condoning the use of steroids by athletes.
As often as I disagree with you, I've got to say that you are one of the good guys on this one. We can all choose to believe or not believe that pro baseball players are using steroids, but no one should be condoning the use of steroids by athletes.
TRHIT,
I should have said “some of the facts”. I wrote what I wrote because many people don’t realize that “the clear” was a “designer steroid” Shefield was given by Bond’s trainers. Also, most people don’t realize that steroids are banned by MLB, but HGH is not.
If you have some different information to provide that will shed some light, then I would be interested in reading it.
If you would like to let me know what you were implying with your “diving” comment, I’d be glad to take you up on it.
Nick
I should have said “some of the facts”. I wrote what I wrote because many people don’t realize that “the clear” was a “designer steroid” Shefield was given by Bond’s trainers. Also, most people don’t realize that steroids are banned by MLB, but HGH is not.
If you have some different information to provide that will shed some light, then I would be interested in reading it.
If you would like to let me know what you were implying with your “diving” comment, I’d be glad to take you up on it.
Nick
NickKio
How do you know that Bonds trianers gave anything to anyone ????
Many substances are not banned by MLB--that is the problem
BUT, you like I only know what we read or hear and some of us may have more reliable sources than others-- I never believe what certain writers have to say because they dream half of it up.
Sorry if you don't get the diving comment but there is no need for anyone to take anyone up on it , as you put it.
I just think that much of what is being put forth regarding players is unfounded--nobody can prove anything
How do you know that Bonds trianers gave anything to anyone ????
Many substances are not banned by MLB--that is the problem
BUT, you like I only know what we read or hear and some of us may have more reliable sources than others-- I never believe what certain writers have to say because they dream half of it up.
Sorry if you don't get the diving comment but there is no need for anyone to take anyone up on it , as you put it.
I just think that much of what is being put forth regarding players is unfounded--nobody can prove anything
TRhit,
Bonds trainer was indicted for doing so. That makes it a very real possibility. There is a possibility that Bonds did not know he was taking steroids or that because THG was not banned by MLB that he didn't feel he was doing anything wrong if he did use it. There is a chance that Bonds is squeeky clean, but not much of one. If you want to ignore what is going on in MLB relative to steroids go ahead, but those kids you are trying to help out make those players their role models and they have a pretty good idea what is going on. You have an obligation, because you work with young players, to take a strong stand against steroids. Not against Bonds, not against anyone who hasn't been proven guilty. Just against steroids.
Bonds trainer was indicted for doing so. That makes it a very real possibility. There is a possibility that Bonds did not know he was taking steroids or that because THG was not banned by MLB that he didn't feel he was doing anything wrong if he did use it. There is a chance that Bonds is squeeky clean, but not much of one. If you want to ignore what is going on in MLB relative to steroids go ahead, but those kids you are trying to help out make those players their role models and they have a pretty good idea what is going on. You have an obligation, because you work with young players, to take a strong stand against steroids. Not against Bonds, not against anyone who hasn't been proven guilty. Just against steroids.
TRHIT,
Maybe you haven't had heard about Gary Sheffields comments in Sports Illustrated this week? Sheffield said he told investigators he used these products, very openly in fact. They were provided by Bond's trainers while he was working out with Bonds a couple of years ago. The impression I got was he did not know what he was taking.
I consider Sheffield to be a reliable source. Also, I think that MLB's own testing, that indicated 5+% of players were using Steroids is also solid "evidence'.
Actually, all of the big name "suspects", with the exception of Bonds, "appeared" to be a lot smaller this year. They also hit a lot less home runs.
Nick
Maybe you haven't had heard about Gary Sheffields comments in Sports Illustrated this week? Sheffield said he told investigators he used these products, very openly in fact. They were provided by Bond's trainers while he was working out with Bonds a couple of years ago. The impression I got was he did not know what he was taking.
I consider Sheffield to be a reliable source. Also, I think that MLB's own testing, that indicated 5+% of players were using Steroids is also solid "evidence'.
Actually, all of the big name "suspects", with the exception of Bonds, "appeared" to be a lot smaller this year. They also hit a lot less home runs.
Nick
CADAD
Charles Barkley said it right--"I ain't no role model for anyone" and I agree-- mom and dad, brothers and sisters uncles and aunts and cousins, teachers are role models--
Indictmnent does not mean guilty-- some overzealous writer in SF who has it in for Bongs was the dirt digger and in fact the drug in question was not banned at the supposed time of use
I have never said steroids where being used in MLB nor College--- what I say is dont convict a man on what is somewhat flimsy information--
People compare pictures of Bonds when he was young and now-- do the same with other players like Clemens, Pettite and so forth--- why are only onor two people being singles out.
I am waiting for the day when the Williams sisters get called on the carpet for their muscular bodies --you think that will happen-- Hey does Martina look the same as she did a few years back when she was playing tennis regularly
DRAT--my body is now different than it was when I was in shape !!!!
Stop lifting and working out, drugs or no drugs, the body changes
Charles Barkley said it right--"I ain't no role model for anyone" and I agree-- mom and dad, brothers and sisters uncles and aunts and cousins, teachers are role models--
Indictmnent does not mean guilty-- some overzealous writer in SF who has it in for Bongs was the dirt digger and in fact the drug in question was not banned at the supposed time of use
I have never said steroids where being used in MLB nor College--- what I say is dont convict a man on what is somewhat flimsy information--
People compare pictures of Bonds when he was young and now-- do the same with other players like Clemens, Pettite and so forth--- why are only onor two people being singles out.
I am waiting for the day when the Williams sisters get called on the carpet for their muscular bodies --you think that will happen-- Hey does Martina look the same as she did a few years back when she was playing tennis regularly
DRAT--my body is now different than it was when I was in shape !!!!
Stop lifting and working out, drugs or no drugs, the body changes
NickKio,
How about the performance of the BALCO clients who managed to get into the Olympics? Not real impressive.
How about the performance of the BALCO clients who managed to get into the Olympics? Not real impressive.
We now have the definition of buffoonery.
Teacherman
Are you looking in the mirror ???--ye who can only bash and assure everyone else that they know squat about nothing.
You are a very scary person when one thinks you are coaching kids
Are you looking in the mirror ???--ye who can only bash and assure everyone else that they know squat about nothing.
You are a very scary person when one thinks you are coaching kids
TR,
I've gained a whole 20 lbs over my playing weight in college, 30 over my fighting weight in the service. I can buy the weight gain if it came over an extended period.
I don't think anyone has a problem with your not being willing to "convict" Bonds or others on the evidence that is out there. Unfortunately, you seem to be taking it to an extreme and denying even the possibility that Bonds and others have used steroids. That may not be how you think, but that is how you come across.
Martina has managed to look very similar other than the obvious signs of age. She still looks like she is taking testosterone supplements. Compare Chrissie in her prime and Martina in her prime and tell me that there's no way that Martina took steroids.
Remember, I played competitive tennis.
I will say that as far as the Angels go I will categorically state that Scott Shields and Ramon Ortiz do not take steroids.
You know Barkely can say that as often as he wants but he was still a role model for a lot of kids. Being a role model is a result of being a professional athlete and not something that can be shrugged off.
I've gained a whole 20 lbs over my playing weight in college, 30 over my fighting weight in the service. I can buy the weight gain if it came over an extended period.
I don't think anyone has a problem with your not being willing to "convict" Bonds or others on the evidence that is out there. Unfortunately, you seem to be taking it to an extreme and denying even the possibility that Bonds and others have used steroids. That may not be how you think, but that is how you come across.
Martina has managed to look very similar other than the obvious signs of age. She still looks like she is taking testosterone supplements. Compare Chrissie in her prime and Martina in her prime and tell me that there's no way that Martina took steroids.
Remember, I played competitive tennis.I will say that as far as the Angels go I will categorically state that Scott Shields and Ramon Ortiz do not take steroids.
You know Barkely can say that as often as he wants but he was still a role model for a lot of kids. Being a role model is a result of being a professional athlete and not something that can be shrugged off.
Leave Barry alone.
Bonds didn’t do steroids, he just liked to hang around people that did. And of course everyone knows OJ didn’t do it either.
Bonds didn’t do steroids, he just liked to hang around people that did. And of course everyone knows OJ didn’t do it either.
The word is acquitted !!!!!
Keep that in mind--- you are innocent until proven guilty
Keep that in mind--- you are innocent until proven guilty